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>>73492037
Is there any musician that doesn't hate Kenny Fucking G?

is that the guy from opie & anthony?

>>73492933
The only reason people hate him is because he makes very accessible smooth jazz without even having listened to anything by him
But hoopsie, also happens that 95% of /mu/core is very accessible too yet /mu/ slaves don't realize that

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>>73493248
would you share the essentials chart?

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Anyone else listen to Cherry Sakura from this year? What did you think? It's one of my favorite albums of the year so far personally. But then again, I only recently got into jazz so I'm still not sure my opinions are credible.

Also, if anyone has recs of examples of non-good jazz (ideally stuff that's stylistically similar to Kind of Blue, Study in Brown, or Shape of Jazz to Come because those are the ones I'm most familiar with) I'm curious to hear them because I still don't really know exactly what to listen for that makes one jazz album great and another not.

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>>73492037
You asked about other countries, I like polish jazz scene, especially from 70s and 80s. It's a bit hard to search for it, as I don't speak the language. Search for Polish Swing Session Donna Lee and if you are lucky, you won't end up on a porn site, although that could be considered even luckier.

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>>73493412
are you jazzguitaranon from /gg/ as well?

if so, jonathan kreisberg is awesome, thanks for the rec

i'm torn between taking up the guitar or piano to play jazz

>>73493450
I can't find many reasons why somebody would pick a guitar over a piano to play jazz.
Unless you want to play gipsy.

>>73493450
No, I'm not. Honestly that's really a hard choice, guitar isn't really used a lot in jazz, but the advantage of it is that if you play it well, it is easier to be recognised. Piano is the most used instrument in jazz, I think, and because of that it is harder to be recognised.
Honestly I would choose piano, guitar isn't really a good jazz instrument, which is the reason why it's not popular.

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>>73493437
Polish jazz is great, here's my chart (I'm still working on it), it also includes yass. (Yass albums start with Trytony - Tańce Bydgoskie).

>>73493621
Do they really have to put "Polish jazz" in every portrait?

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>>73493574
timbre makes me consider it - i love the sound of semi-acoustic guitars

>>73493664
Well, choose the instrument that you enjoy most, don't care about it being popular or not, that's my advice.

>>73493664
Well I guess that's the only reason you can't argue against.
As an amateur jazz guitar player, I still play guitar daily and I don't regret it or anything like that, but I ended up starting to learn piano a year ago because it's hard to top having full control over the harmonic comping and the melody at the same time while soloing.

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listening to a lot of tony allen afrobeat recently

>>73493621
you ever seen that youtube channel funkedupeast?

>>73493738
No, but I've just checked it and it's really nice, surely I'm going to go there more often.

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>>73493693
I love them equally for the timbre
piano makes sense pragmatically, but I worry I'll only be able to afford a cheap eletronic model, with shit pianissimo that will probably sound too harsh

>>73493788
i reccomend this is you haven't heard it before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRm96SAz8zc

>>73493908
thanks, I'll listen to it tomorrow.

>>73493723
zombie is his best album IMO

Mulatu Astatke

>>73494204
dude ethio-jazz lmao

Chill Jazz recs? Like Song for Debby, Solo Monk, or Relaxin'

>page 9

wake up goofballs

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posting this again because Ive never seen it mentioned anywhere ever and its really good

>>73494757
You posting it all the time made me check it out. It's real good, thanks mate!

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>>73494926
It's not really a similar album, but the cover always makes me think of pic related which is also very good, albeit very different.

>>73494590
seconding this request

morose jazz, pls

>>73494776
>that filename

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>>73492037
I need this album /jazz/. Give me a hand *wink*

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>ᶠᵃᵛᵒʳᶦᵗᵉ ᶜᵒᵘnᵗʳᶦᵉˢ
ˢʷᵉᵈᵉn
>ˡᶦˢᵗᵉnᶦnᵍ ᵗᵒ ʳᵉᶜᵉnᵗˡʸ
ᶜˡᶦᶠᶠᵒʳᵈ ᴶᵒʳᵈᵃn - ᴳˡᵃˢˢ ᴮᵉᵃᵈ ᴳᵃᵐᵉˢ

>>73494776
can someone post the blue note one

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Thoughts on the new Alex Sipiagin album?

>>73496337
paging jtg

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>>73492037
I've been listening to a lot of spiritual jazz lately but I'm looking to get a bit deeper, anybody have any recommendations?

>>73496377
Idris Ackamoor The Pyramids - We Be All Africans (2016)
Gary Bartz NTU Troop - Harlem Bush Music: Uhuru (1971)
Batsumi - Batsumi (1974)
Don Cherry - Don Cherry (1977)
The Pyramids - King of Kings (1974)
Steve Reid - Nova (1976)

Maybe try some traditional African and Indian music too.

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>>73493450
Hey that was me! I have a thousand more recs and I could talk for hours about jazz haha.

Guitar is an incredibly versatile instrument with really interesting harmonic capabilities, but unfortunately most guitarists are decades behind pianists when it comes to modern harmony, voicings, and clever voice leading. That being said, the instrument has these abilities and there are guitarists doing interesting things using these concepts. The guitar is a pretty interesting instrument for jazz because it can play strong single note lines like horn players, but also play chords like a piano player (and switch between the two, like Joe Pass).

That being said, a piano is more practical for composing for bands and every (or nearly every) jazz band leader played some piano to work out ideas on (Mingus actually has a solo piano album which is pretty interesting).

The guitar has better control over the articulation of notes versus piano though (ability to slur, play true legato, attack the note in a variety of different ways, ability to bend pitch, etc).

I play guitar, so I'm biased, but I think the piano is also a great instrument worth learning. That being said, if you want to learn something to be in demand play either bass or drums.

>>73497319
hey, anon!

feel free to dump all your jazz guitar recs here, specially new names, but since I'm a noob in this world, classics would be appreciated as well

>>73497319
seconding
>>73497662,
whats some good modern jazz guitar?

>>73496337
I think it's one of his weaker albums yet. The synths were cool in some parts but felt kind of forced and gimmicky in others. The compositions also just don't flow as well as they have on other albums. He's got all the cool polyphony and cross rhythms but it felt forced and unnatural at times. I thought the track with the lyrics felt very out of place as well.

Still some of the tracks were really good, and the solos are pretty much all great.

Here's my full review on RYM
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/alex-sipiagin/moments-captured/

>>73497798
>whats some good modern jazz guitar?
I'm not the one you're asking but I'll rec:

Adam Rogers
Lage Lund
Jonathan Kreisberg
Kurt Rosenwinkel
Mike Moreno

>>73497798
Oh and Gilad Hekselman

Never really see anybody talk about him here but he's incredible

>>73492037
don't like jazz

>>73498130
underrated post

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bumping with the jazz AOTY

inb4 it's popular so it must be bad

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>>73497662
The classic guys are Wes Montgomery, Lenny Breau, Jim Hall, Joe Pass, Charlie Christian, Django Reinhardt, Ted Greene (mostly for his books, not too many recordings but his books are massively influential. The recordings of him out there show his insane talent though),Grant Green, Kenny Burrell, Barney Kessel, and Ed Bickert.

I'll put a bunch of videos here as recs, the albums they're from are great too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4PMMYrUhxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOm17yw__6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQi48T4YWh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwBLC0WKuS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5ggv-5s4bs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a3qAp81vY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIV1t70Gek8&l
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlAKSJfLeA

And he's the Kreisberg from the other thread if anyone's curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Daf8R9VEDlU

>>73497798
Seconding:
Lage Lund
Jonathan Kreisberg
Kurt Rosenwinkel
Gilad Hekelsman
and I'll throw in Bill Frisell, Pat Metheny, John Scofield, John McLaughlin, Marc Ribot, George Benson

>>73499018
And one more video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFMQSHgI4aA

>>73498812
it's not bad because it's popular, it's bad because it's got crappy composition and just average playing

what other jazz albums from this year have you even heard?

>>73499018
thanks, will check those out!

>>73499053
>what other jazz albums from this year have you even heard?
why do you elitist faggots always fall back on this. not an argument.

>>73499145
>elitist
>faggots

elaborate on how you came to these conclusions

Can't seem to stop listening to Chet Baker's vocal albums.

Any similiar musicians/albums to check out?

>>73496642
thanks mate

>>73499145
Surely you can see how ridiculous it is to claim to know the album of the year in a genre if you've only listened to a very small sampling of that genre's releases for the year.

Why are you so defensive? Why don't you answer the question?

>>73499145
ᶫᶦᵗᵉʳᵃᶫᶫʸ ʷʰᵃᵗ ᶦˢ ʷʳᵒᶰᵍ ʷᶦᵗʰ ᵉᶫᶦᵗᶦˢᵐ

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>>73498812
BAAAAAAAD RECORD BBBBBBAAAAAAAAAD RECOOOOOORD

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>>73496377
this man.

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>>73494757
i been listening to that jawnboi since i was in short pants amigo.

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How do the jazz cats of mu think about pic related? I personally love this music, and the movie was great. I feel like Sebastian did get it wrong when he said jazz is dying though.

Anyways I got into jazz because I played drums and I wanted to keep playing in high school. Marching band was out of the question, so I opted for jazz band and I haven't looked back since.

Hope you guys are having a good day :)

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>>73499635
This is your movie, then

>>73493450
Imo, piano is more useful for learning and being needed as a musician. Guitar is nice, but hardly anybody is asking for a jazz guitarist. Playing piano gives me a better understanding of the theory since it's so visual for me, and it's all laid out. Piano also helps when learning any other instruments. But if you want guitar, more power to you, it's just my take on it.

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>>73499635
jazz cat here. i dont watch movies.

>>73499674
Of course, I loved whiplash! My only problem was that being in a jazz band, and knowing some other people, it is heavily over dramatized. That being said, it's still a wonderful movie, and it has some really great arrangements.

>>73493450
>tfw jazz guitar and not trumpet player
Feels unexpressive man

>>73499635
Contemporary Jazz is split between traditionalists and fusion folks (fusion in this sense encompassing any sort of jazz+ something else, ex: Neo-Soul, Jazz Funk, Jazz Rock, Modern Post-Bop sort of falls in this category too, etc). Traditional jazz that academia focuses on is mostly Charlie Parker to John Coltrane (but not all of Coltrane, pretty much up to Giant Steps).

So Traditionalist Jazz is sort of in a similar state to classical music; appreciated by academia and the musicians who play it, but with a small audience outside of that. Modern Jazz and Fusion Jazz is still very alive though.

Enjoyed La La Land though, I thought the movie misrepresented fusion jazz as pop though and as 'selling out".

This issue is the subject of a fascinating debate between Wynton Marsalis and Herbie Hancock. Can't find it online, but it was called "Wynton Vs. Herbie: The Purist and the Crossbreeder Duke It Out"

>>73499861
lol c'mon m8

>>73492961
kek

Ive been listening to nothing but new jazz records for the past week, how many records should I listen to before I can say I actually know a thing or two about jazz?

>>73502265
About 500. I'd wager you're able to play the most important jazz standards already?

>>73502265
I know it sounds pretentious but what's more important than listening to a lot of different records, is making sure you're listening to them really deeply, which, if you haven't already listened to a lot of jazz, probably means listening to the same record at least 3-4 times.

Find a few that you really like and make sure you listen to them thoroughly.

>>73502265
What instrument do you play?

Please rec me some fast and crazy jazz. Any style goes as long as its fast and energetic.

>>73502990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yke9KZpH5vU

>>73502990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1zXXeGeGGg

>>73502670
ha not really but I'm educating myself on theory/history and acquiring a taste, right now Im into John Coltrane and Mingus, also a lot of bebop stuff. I really like "Cheesecake" by Dexter Gordon that song is pretty stuck in my head

>>73502925
Im trying to just find whats out there then go back and listen to my favorites

>>73502946
Guitar, I'd like to play piano but I suck at it, know nothing about playing wind instruments

A lot of these ratings are just first impressions, but many I have listened to (most of the Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman and Miles Davis records, also Go!) and have a pretty well thought out score

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>>73503115
forgot pic

>>73502990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHxqX26Id0Y

>>73502990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QdmD-rDpG4

>>73503132
>Karma 1 star
lol I like you

>>73503062
>>73503064
>>73503135
>>73503172
thanks checking these out now

>>73503189
it SOUNDS good kinda but its so obnoxiously flashy and its a disgusting ripoff of A Love Supreme

>>73492037
Anyone have an opinion they want to share about Free Jazz?

" an approach to jazz music that was first developed in the 1950s and 1960s as musicians attempted to alter, extend, or break down jazz convention, often by discarding fixed chord changes or tempos. Though the music of free jazz composers varied widely, a common feature was dissatisfaction with the limitations of bebop, hard bop, and modal jazz that had developed in the 1940s and 1950s. Often described as avant-garde, free jazz has also been described as an attempt to return jazz to its primitive, often religious, roots and emphasis on collective improvisation."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bRTFr0ytA8

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Has anyone here read Charles Mingus' autobiography? I'm reading it now and this shit's insane. What are some other jazz books I should pick up?

>>73503899
lmao Mingus was a maniac, that book has some hilarious passages. Pick up Miles's autobiography, if only for the anecdote about Bird getting a blowjob while eating fried chicken in a taxi while Miles watched horrified.

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>>73503833
Yeah, if you're a fan of academia/academic papers there are a few papers supporting a theory of free jazz being inherently political, which is pretty strongly backed up. There are also papers disputing that, albeit not convincingly. I'll give names if anyone want to know.

>>73504037
political as in aligning with a particular ideology?

>>73504037
Not according to the musicians. That's a dumb lie spread mostly by Amiri Baraka, and I guarantee any papers you have will be citing him and probably Archie Shepp. This is only true for critics.

So I don't really know a whole lot about jazz, but I'd love to get into it. By far my favorite album I've heard I say Undercurrent by Jim Hall and Bill Evans. Do y'all have any recommendations for artists that have a sound similar to that?

>>73505597
Kenny G

>>73505597
Check out Fred Hersch and Julian Lage- Free Flying

Composer here

Any tips on how to into Peter Brotzmann and free jazz in general?

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Hot damn, a Jazz general.

Haven't been on /mu/ for ages. Glad to see its not all shitposting about shitty indie.

Currently listening to Paul Desmond's Glad to be Unhappy. Jim Hall is great on this one.

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>>73505837
Start with this masterpiece. If you haven't listened to A Shape of Jazz to Come, there's another masterpiece for you.

>>73505890
>>73505837
Skip Brotzmann and listen to free jazz that also has elements of composition to it. I recommend:
Don Cherry
Andrew Hill
Eric Dolphy
David Murray
Dave Holland's early work
Anthony Braxton

>>73505890
didn't mean to quote you
>>73505924

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoJKpE165_w&t=139s

>>73492037
>what have you been listening to recently?
brad mehldau is the shit. also been listening to this guy on soundcloud called "sinh." who is kinda dope
>how did you get into jazz?
i liked generic jazz piano and was a pianist, so i said "i should learn jazz piano". i then got a jazz teacher and here we are
>what are your favorite countries when it comes to jazz (excluding USA)?
idk why you would exclude the USA, the life-giver of jazz music. would be better to just split up the USA into different parts (west coast jazz, new york jazz, chicago jazz, etc). but as far as extra-american jazz goes the japanese are some dope fuckin cats

>>73506039
this is more postmodern classical than it is jazz
>>73504037
it's music dude, those cats were nuts and on drugs and put it into sounds. political interpretation is up to you, sonically it has nothing to do with that shit
>>73505597
anything else by bill evans. then go to other artists from the same time period, listen to kind of blue (featuring evans) and listen to all the musicians on that track individually

https://clyp.it/3dbup4dn recorded this just now, it's full of mistakes but i'm tired and don't feel like doing more than one take. feedback appreciated

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>>73492037
>What have you been listening to recently?
Sleeping Gypsy - Michael Franks.
It's nice, smooth and relaxing. /comfy/

>How did you get into jazz?
My dad is a jazz musician so I was tainted from a very early age.

>What are your favourite countries when it comes to jazz (excluding USA)?
Probably Poland, gotta listen to Lyrics - Henryk Miśkiewicz, it's a great album.
Other than that, Japan has always had a strong jazz scene and there's a lot of good japanese jazz on soundcloud.

>>73503899
Yeah, it was nice. Miles' Autobiography is the best book on jazz I've ever read. History of Jazz by Ted Gioa is nice, but I'm still reading it, and I've started But Beautiful yesterday.
>>73493908
I've just put it on and it's really nice, thanks mate

>>73506446
<3 nice recording

>>73506939
Thanks fellq

>>73494204
Yep. Ethio-jazz is fucking great

>>73495775
/jazz/ you let me down. I will never forget.

>>73492933

Kenny G is the Justin Bieber of jazz in terms of fashionable to hate. His music is generic and tame but I don't think he deserves "hate" for it

.>>73496337

Heard it today for the first time. I think it's fantastic.

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for people not allergic to contemporary Euro jazz, I'll just mention that the upcoming Portico Quartet album Art in the Age of Automation has a release date (August 25) and pre-orders are open on Bandcamp with one teaser track:
https://porticoquartet.bandcamp.com/

Isla and Knee-Deep in the North Sea were great albums, then the band kind of lost their way (and the hang drum) and went all electronic pop and dropped "Quartet" from the name, but now the Quartet and hang drum and contemporary fusion feel are back, so I'm relatively excited for this

Older track for relevance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQH0GPL33uc

>>73505291
in the US in the 60's I think there's a good case to be made for the inherent political aspect of free jazz with Marion Brown being another voice who was actively making it so, but I think by the time the European free/improv people started doing their thing, it wasn't like that anymore

>>73509017
>Kenny G is the Justin Bieber of jazz in terms of fashionable to hate. His music is generic and tame but I don't think he deserves "hate" for it
His tone is beautiful, though.

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Going to see Alex Sipiagin in two weeks at Smalls with Seamus Blake, John Escreet, Boris Kozlov, and Donald Edwards

>>73504037
How could it be "inherently political"? Sure, some free jazz was definitely inspired by political ideas, and some of it definitely wasn't.

The most pure kino jazz album of the 1990's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKIFr--NTd4

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>>73493248
a good one to add to the piano trios list is 'Horace Silver Trio and Art Blakey - Sabu'. its from the sessions that brought the Jazz Messengers album (blue version of pic related's cover)

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Somehow never really listened to Michael Brecker before, and I just listened to this album the other day. Really like it. Any other Michael Brecker recs?

>>73510519
sounds very cool - Smalls is a nice intimate space

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>>73513235
Not Brecker's record but check him out on this one

>>73513482
Yeah I've been to NY several times in the last few years but somehow have never been to Smalls. Every time I'm there the people I most want to see are playing at the Vanguard or somewhere else.

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>>73513235
not a big fan of his sound or legacy myself, but check out his self titled and Tales from the Hudson also Brecker Bros. is a solid 70's funk/fusion album

for a lesser known recording released just last year check pic related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8s4t_sFvHU

I'm listening to this, good stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2_nSjH_k5M

>>73505890
giving this a spin now
>>73499201
anyone got any recs for more albums as chill as Chet Baker's, preferably in a similar vocal styling?

I'm listening a lot to christian scott's stretch music. Great latiny vibe and some great flute playing.
Any other recommendations for scott?

>>73516008
More Christian Scott?
Christian aTunde Adjuah and the new album Ruler Rebel are good

I think Takuya Kuroda is fairly similar - checkout Rising Son and Zigzagger - but there's no latiny vibe + flute there, so YMMV

flutist Elena Pinderhughes who plays on Stretch Music also plays on Ray Obiedo's Latin Jazz Project vol. 1 album so maybe you'd like that - it's pretty straightforward latin jazz compared to Stretch Music, though

>>73499635
music-wise it's really a musical with some minor jazz elements, but as far as show tunes go the soundtrack is OK

to me it feels like in the movie jazz feels like an element to make Sebastian a nostalgic, dream chasing arty character that's not about acting/movies to make her different, yet similar, to Mia

it's fundamentally a movie about the entertainment industry and chasing your dreams and the choices you make in life - it's a little annoying to me that the jazz musician actually ends up doing very safe and sensible choices throughout the film and when he does fulfill his dream it happens between scenes

jazz is treated fairly well, but the overall view of where jazz is at seems very myopic and based on how it looks like from a big budget movie maker perspective - feels like in the world of the movie there's no middle ground between nostalgia for the old days and going full John Legend, but I guess you could just see that as portraying what Sebastian is like

anyway, it's a pretty good modern musical for people who want some nostalgia and even melodrama in their movies, but I wouldn't really recommend it for jazz fans automatically because "hey, there's a jazz musician in this movie so you should see it" - it just isn't fundamentally a "jazz movie"

>>73492971
This. Smooth jazz is hated for the wrong reasons. Elitists hate it for taking creativity away from jazz, even though its just another form of jazz bringing a new aesthetic: smoothness, pop structure and pop sounds. Its still improvised in relation to other forms of jazz. Then theres people who have only listened to fucking essentials who dont have absolute clue

>>73517347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-mjt1ypiF8

>>73517425
Wow i did not know he is that edgy, but he is pat metheny though, he is probably right.

>>73517347
eh, I could see people defending David Sanborn or Bob James or Grover Washington Jr but I don't really see much reason to champion Kenny G

there's some great stuff that's been overlooked by jazz snobs over the years like Donald Byrd's Black Byrd and Stepping Into Tomorrow, Herbie's Sunlight or the first Bob James album, though

still - Kenny G has been tremendously successful as an artist and smooth jazz in general has had an influence in r&b and soul, so it's not like he's some downtrodden character who deserves some additional respect from people who are looking for other qualities in jazz

>>73517508
the punchline is that Pat Metheny is guilty of making some pretty boring records of his own :D

he is a great musician and guitarist, though. Love this duet version of Cherokee with Chris Potter on sax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Ei0jVdjWw

Gonna go ahead and just talk about jazz for a minute.

Miles Davis forms his first real band with coltrane red garland Paul Chambers and philly joe jones.

This band was legit.

Cookin Relaxin Workin Steamin.

Those were the albums.

Then Coltrane branched off and took garland and Chambers and formed his first real band. But with Art Taylor on drums.

Then Miles forms his second band.

Tony Williams Wayne Shorter Ron Carter and Herbie Hancock. Perfection.

Coltrane ups his game. New band too. Elvin Jones McCoy Tyner and Jimmy Garrison.

After that, Miles invites John McLaughlin and Chick Corea into his band. Bitches Brew.

McLaughlin stays for a minute. Chick forms the elektric band. McLaughlin forms mahavishnu (shakti too)

That's jazz. That's how it went in my book. That's where I take my inspiration from.

Before that, count basie oscar peterson big band jazz.

Then just recently, jazz made a slight comeback but in a new style. Stuff like Robert Glasper and Snarkey Puppy keeps the flame lit.

>>73518957

the thing that irritates me the most is fucking Elektric Band where Return to Forever would have been appropriate

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>>73493621
what's the name of this guy? saved the picture because he looks like he's holding a bass clarinet and I'm interested in this.

>>73519085
I don't like return to forever at all.

Elektric band is in my top 5 favorite music groups of all time though.

Dave Weckl is the man. Drums are important.

Is there any fusion better than Miles Davis 70's output

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would like some recs based on my favorites, I'm still new to jazz

>>73518957
In popular eyes, sure snarky puppy keeps "the flame lit" but there is so much more that's actually keeping the flame lit. I don't believe that Snarky Puppy is really innovating or doing anything special in the way that Coltrane or Davis does. Maybe there just hasn't been enough time for the "dust to settle," but it just seems like Snarky Puppy is full of good musicians that only know how to show off. To me, they are nothing more than a spectacle. But that's just for me. If I had to offer a sub, Wynton Marsalis is very much keeping it alive, along with Christian McBride, in that they are keeping the old stuff relevant. For innovators, again, only time can tell if it really has in impact, and if it's really changing the game. But that's just my take on this whole comment you made

>>73519122
Mikołaj Trzaska.

>>73492037
>How did you get into jazz?
I grew up with my parents listening to crappy europop mostly, but I myself always had sense for good stuff. Took a liking to jazz immediately when I heard it in my early teen years.

>What are your favourite countries when it comes to jazz (excluding USA)?
Idk, all countries have some fine musicians and recordings if there are jazz there to begin with, but obscure stuff is PITA to find, so I only listen to what I can actually acquire without selling lungs. No, I don't download music. If I can't get CD or LP, then I'm better off without hearing it.

>>73505291
Why the Amiri Baraka hate?

>>73521336
>No, I don't download music. If I can't get CD or LP, then I'm better off without hearing it
see, the ethics of this always escaped me. I'm not going to let my economic situation limit my interests. I guess some people have more humility than I do, but I want to know everything because I think I have a right and imperative to know everything. this is a vein of thought i should explore more - is knowledge power, is power what i want, what is the good life, etc.
someone several threads past was talking about the wealth of riches to be found in miles' fusion stuff, the sheer amount of material. tonight is my first night with Get Up with It and Big Fun - what joy! right fucking on. I'm having the time of my life. no no no, my pleasure centers are all fucked - I actually cannot escape this feeling that I need to have my course corrected, and I cannot just be transported somewhere by music - or a feeling - for fear of never coming back the same.

>>73522470
anyway He Loved Him Madly!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fc_-VZlkcM

>>73522712
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can you guise recommend me some albums that feature guitar?

>>73520536
you could try some more
spiritual jazz: >>73496642
also check those charts:
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>>73526131
check out stuff by wes montgomery

is there a good coltrane guide/flowchart out there?

>>73529371
idk, but listen to Giant Steps, My favourite things and A Love Supreme, and maybe check out one of his really late, out-there, albums. If you liked Giant Steps, check out his earlier stuff, like Blue Train and his work with Miles and Monk and so on. If you liked My favorite things, keep on listening to the albums from the same period with the classic quartet, Coltrane Sound, Live at the village vanguard, Africa/Brass, Ole etc. If you really like A Love Supreme or some crazier stuff, listen to his late stuff, things like Interstellar Space, Om, Village Vanguard Again, Meditations.

>>73520536
lonnie liston smith - astral travelling
don cherry - organic music society
thelonious monk - underground

you have good taste anon.

>>73529371
going chronologically is really nice with coltrane

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>>73492971
I bought a few Kenny G albums from the bargain bin at my local CD store a little while back, and I find the music impossible to tolerate. It's mostly subjective, I guess, but playing "Wonderful Word" and then mixing Armstrong's voice into it is in such poor taste.

>>73531898
Smooth jazz is clearly distinguishable. I'd suggest selling those CDs if possible.

Is Grimes the new Coltrane?

>>73531933
go fuck yourself

>>73531933
How did you even get here? Are there no containment threads up right now?

>>73510519
>>73496337
I never understood the hype for this guy. He's a good player but he really just sounds the same as Freddie Hubbard and doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done in the 60's.

What am I missing?

>>73532443
I'm pretty sure it's just jtg who hypes him. He probably has a good answer to your question though.

>>73520048
no. few things get better in music than the second disc of bitches brew (spanish key, john mclaughlin, etc)

>>73520048
It's become a sacrilege to even dare criticize Miles Davis and it's not like what you're asking for can be objectively determined.

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>>73492037
>What have you been listening to recently?
not 13 days ago I got Blue Train on vinyl, but as of right now I am listening to Moanin'
>How did you get into jazz?
A good friend of mine is a sax player and my uncle plays in a jazz band on trombone, it just sort of happened over time
>What are your favourite countries when it comes to jazz (excluding USA)?
I'm not too savvy on my discography so I've really only heard stuff from the USA, Japan, and Canada at the Winnipeg Jazz festival

>>73532443
He's more than just a good player IMO, more like a freakishly good player, at least technique wise. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out he was the result of a Cold War era experiment to create a superhuman trumpet player. But even though his technique is pretty much as good as it gets I don't think he's the savior of jazz the way that a certain former tripfag makes him out to be. His latest album is prettt progressive though and you should try it out if your biggest complaint about him is that his music sounds too much like the 60s.

>>73529371
I could probably make one by tonight.

>>73529371
Honestly just start favorite things. If you want more out then listen to the stuff after that in his career, if you want more typical post bop then go earlier in his career.

>>73532443
As other people have noted, he's a ridiculously good trumpet player, but his compositions are what really sets him apart. That, and the fact that he always has only the best musicians play on his records.

Yeah, his style of music is very obviously rooted in '60's post-bop, but there are some subtle things that make it sound much more modern too- heavy emphasis on slash chords, heavier emphasis on time signatures and poly-rhythm- and some not so subtle things- influence from rock music, electric instruments. It's different enough from the 60's post-bop that someone in the /blindfold/ threads coined the term post-post-bop for it, which I kind of like.

I can see why it wouldn't be everyone's thing, but as far as post-bop goes I think it's kind of hard to deny that he's one of the leading stylists in the genre right now.

I fucking love jazz

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>>73510519
Also seeing Chris Potter next week in DC with the quartet from his latest album.

He was at the Vanguard this week, any NY anons see him there?

Thoughts on Bill Evans?

>>73535336
One of the greatest and most influential pianists ever. Second only to maybe Monk and Powell.

I fucking can't stand Kenny G

>>73534890
I liked his last album but I didn't really like Imaginary Cities. What else do you recommend? Either by him or other players.

>>73532443
I think he has a more noticeable Woody Shaw influence personally. Anyway, his compositions are very interesting imo, and while his playing itself may not be incredibly innovative, you can be innovative by just writing great compositions and taking good solos over them. He also has incredibly innovative players like Chris Potter on a lot of his records so...
>>73534750
Ah, looks like I just sorta repeated what he said.
>post-post-bop
What's up I remember having that discussion. Trying to come up with names for all the modern jazz movements was pretty interesting fodder for thought.

>>73537079
We'll his first ECM album, The Sirens, is more similar to this most recent one. Or his Lift Quartet live at the Village Vanguard.

Seamus Blake is another player to check out. He has a very similar tone to Chris Potter. His Live at Smalls or Live in Italy are both really good.

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>>73538274
>compositions
What is so good/interesting about his compositions?

>>73540214
He writes very complex music, but most of the time I think it flows very well and you almost wouldn't even really realize how complex it is without analyzing it pretty closely. He uses odd and shifting time signatures a lot, but makes them feel very natural. I've read in interviews and liner notes where he says that he doesn't intentionally set out to write music in 7/4 or whatever, but that he tries to just write melodies that feel natural to him and if they happen to be in weird time signatures then he just goes with it.

I think he's also one of the best in jazz when it comes to writing polyphony. That's when there are 2 or more distinct melody lines going on at once. His compositions sometimes have 3 or 4, which is a lot going on in a piece, but he usually makes it all flow.

Then I like that he uses long forms in his pieces and writes interludes between solos, or has each solo take place on a different set of changes, or a different feel. Or even when everybody's soloing on the same changes, he usually plays with rhythm sections that are good enough that they give every solo a different feel.

Other guys are doing these things in their compositions and have been since the 60's, so once again, what he's doing isn't really all that innovative or anything. It's just that he's combining all these things and really perfecting them.

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Can't have jazz without the blues!

>>73542276
ok wynton