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>>73433693

Post documentaries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfJVpjI3wJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVhxqEN9j7k

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Why not put all that shit in the op into a pastebin?

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what are /classical/s thoughts on her body of work?
is she the GOAT pianist?

>>73486030
I'd love to stick my wang up her ass

Should classical music use sex to attract plebs and monies?

>>73486030
>what are /classical/s thoughts on her body of work?
good but not what i like. i dont really care for another pianist with yet another super virtuosic take on the same'ol'pieces
>is she the GOAT pianist?
no

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Reminder this man had already surpassed your favorite composer by the age of 12

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Is this on anymore? I painfully input the link and nowis asking me for a password.

>>73486030
I'd love for her to Yuj my wang.

Seriously tough I think she's an excellent pianist. Lots of feeling. Her Mendelssohn 1 is 10/10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGx8TRWFVA
Considering she was only ~22 at the time, its pretty impressive.

>>73486641
It's well established Mendelssohn was a better player as a foetus

>>73486641
yuj?

>>73486569
that list was made 7 years ago

>>73486569
>no wagner
smfgdh

>pick up my cat by the neck and slam her fatass against the wall because that's how mad I am at not finding Wagner on this list

can we all agree that Vivaldis Winter is metal as fuck?

If I'll write truly good tonal music, not in the classical or romantic style, but while still using the same level of sophistication, will I get commissions and performances? Is it still possible to write tonally something so good that theathers will just HAVE to have your music in their program?

>>73488079
>theathers
wutz dat

>>73488179
I mostly write chamber and operatic music. I'm studying in a shitty conservatory with truly great teachers with great results, but my country is a almost third-world country in which earning a living by either publishing or giving lessons is basically impossible.
Through a erasmus program I'll be able to study in Milan first, and in Vienna in 2018. I'll bring with me some of my best compositions, and will keep composing day and night, yet I don't know if this is enough to have your music performed and your rent paid (I really don't know how composer works in Europe and the US).
I mean, is it something that happens in the first place? Does a tonal, emotional, highly contrapunctual, harmonically free and dynamically contemporary string quartet have any place in this society? In my repertoire there are at least 2 of them that, in my opinion (and in the opinion of many of my teachers, who are usually kinder to my music than I am) would deserve a performance and some attention before drifting into oblivion for decades.

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This shit's lit senpaitachi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmJd2mYw-Mg

Why are Bach's piano sonatas so good?

>tfw Bach never got to write a sonata for a grand piano

>>73486517
>felix mendelssohn
>surpassed
He couldn't surpass Beethoven

>>73488547
Sorry *violin sonatas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuWtYkoLS0Y

Am I a pleb for liking this?

Adams if you're reading this: FUCK YOU

>>73486997
yeah. She could yuj my wang any way she wanted to.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0RrT6hMOgI

>>73489022
Thanks for posting the finest art there is.

>thinks he can critique composers
>he isn't a composer
lmao what

>>73486030
Is it just me or is that extremely inappropriate attire to wear for a performance

>>73486030
she's... alright. tolerable, usually. most of the super well known piano virtuosi are rather one sided imo. we have Lang Lang and Khatia Buniatishvili who are irredeemably bad in just about -everything- they perform. there's Kissin and Yundi Li who are usually too impetuous and brash but rather good in certain works (Kissin's Chopin Ballade 4, Yundi Li's Chopin Scherzi come to mind) and then we have Yuja Wang who is awkwardly in the middle in that I haven't heard anything from her that I could describe as particularly offensive but absolutely nothing that stands out, either. I can't think of a single work where I'd specifically recommend her rendition.

>>73486641
this is babby's first piano concerto, nothing particularly impressive about the work or the performance. it still sounds rather sterile and flat compared to Hamelin for example.

>>73486030
hiromi uehara for goat pianist. yuja wang is ok.

>>73489258
That's part of her Shtick. Short skirts, lots of skin, dyed hair, etc.

>>73489447
her "shtick" is being an amazing pianist first and foremost
lose the male gaze and get some water

>>73489455
>part of

>>73489477
it doesn't really count for anything
people buy tickets to her concerts to hear her play

Klemperer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3S7JC4xK2Y

>>73486093
No. Reggietheater does that and it fucking sucks.

>>73489486
lol

>>73489510
Klemperer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H79vZm4lZ1Q&list=PLMY90OC3caYhln9IuH3MAWL2SKKam93U-

>>73489486
So if someone played nude, you'd still say "oh they just want to be a good performer, don't worry about what they're wearing or how they look"

It's her way of being unique, doesn't worry me - have whatever hair color you like, show as much skin as you like. One day a performer will play nude just for the shock value, mark my words.

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How do you feel about this cute? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrPyxwVAWDM

>>73488306
Yes, if you can get it out there, but that's the main struggle

besides Adagio, what are other essential classical songs?

>>73489753
Allegro

>>73489013
lol

>>73489753
vivace

>>73489773
also moderato

>>73489447
I'd like her to be part of my shtick.
IF YOUKNOW WHAT I MEAN

>>73489753
grave non troppo

Yall are fucking stupid
Classical music only lasts from 1600 to 1750 approximately
Not from fucking 1300 to 1900, stop being dumb and investigate shit before pretending to be smart
Also hopsin is much better than any classical

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>>73489753
Larghissimo

>>73489753
I quite like Rondo, though Presto is undoubtedly up there as well

>>73489022
>unironically liking chopin

>>73489875
1910=music started
1920-1950=classical music
1960-1970=golden age of music for old singers
1980=perfect age for rock rebels
1990=improved good music and also the year for goths and punks
2000=music is still good and gangsta songs started to appear
2001-2006=music is changing
2007=ghetto music but good and relaxing like akon dont matter
2008=some crappy music is starting to appear
2009=crappy music is spreading
2010=you gotta be kidding me this isnt music justin bieber
2011=R.l.P music goodbye...

>>73489875
Semantics. In this day and age it is only fair to associate classical music with all traditional Western music, and treat it the classical style as a element that is only part of this set, in fact the classical style is, in contemporary times, usually individuated with the expression ''common practice period''.

>>73489875
>Also hopsin is much better than any classical
only accurate part of your post

What constitutes virtuosity level for playing an instrument?

Solomon, Backhaus, or Kempff for Beethoven?

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>>73489302
>Khatia Buniatishvili
>bad

>>73490122
Being good at it.

>>73490122
All the other musicians envy you, and a minor cult of your personality will emerge. Being able to do something that no one else is really able to replicate, while still remaining as profesional and competent as humanly possible is a good start.

>>73490166
It depends on the individual sonatas.

>>73490122
Probably when you can't just do it yourself without years of practice and when the player does not let himself get easily disturbed while playing and is able to provide the show when asked for.

>>73489875
>Classical music only lasts from 1600 to 1750 approximately
>The standard dates used to signify the Baroque era in music
This better be bait boy.

>>73490122
Start playing from the age of 3.

>>73489753
>Adagio
>Not Gran Adagio
plenb

>>73485698
I enjoyed the Richter documentary. Cool stuff

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so, are they right?

>>73488306
Nope. Become a social butterfly and write music for movies.

>>73490724
>also Gorecki
lmao

>>73490724
Orchestras are made up of individuals. Each individual has a personal preference. Some like Mozart, some are sick to death of playing Mozart. Some like Penderecki, some wouldn't want to touch Penderecki with a 10ft pole.

Generalizing isn't always very accurate, but on the whole most orchestras tend to prefer tonal music. Most don't mind playing atonal and serial music, but they like to play a nice melody every now and then - most performers do.
New music ensembles on the other hand just love new music and will play anything.

>>73489567
It has happened, but it was a shitty piano teacher who posted her crap on YouTube, playing an upright. Then she freaked out about the publicity she received and stopped giving lessons, disappeared altogether.

>>73490122
Frustrating your top international peers the way Michael Phelps frustrated his in his prime.

>>73490805
Eh I meant more someone who always plays nude as part of their Shtick. It might take 10 or 20 years for it to happen, maybe even 50.

>>73490724
"no"

>>73490882
Due to demographic changes, society will become more conservative in the next 50 years. More likely to happen as an underground thing sooner.

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>Penderecki
So is this supposed to be good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3BlFZWJNA

>>73490978
Sonorism is literally a meme

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>occasional conductor for the MN orchestra and only black conductor I can think of posted this
What did he mean by this?

>>73491238
He means GA is one of the top 4 places to visit to get the lynching of a lifetime

>>73490990
Just admit it, it's the second most honest approach to music, the first one being the aleatoric one. It's ''no bullshit'' music.

>>73491364
define "honest approach"

>>73491405
Composing music that is actually unique, and that is free of prejudices, traditions and cultural influences. In the case of Cage it goes as far as denying individualism and humanism, in order to create a music that is essential, and can be understood by itself.
You may appreciate it or not, but you can't deny the honesty of these composers. Again, it's a ''no bullshit'' approach.

>>73491238
He wants David Lynch's Cox in his mouth

>>73491238
>2017 are the 19th century Democrats who were involved with lynching and institutionalized racism
>calls himself a maestro, instead of implying his authority through musicianship
>his name sounds like the word ''cocks''

He is truly the worst person.

>>73491238
Hmmm, weren't the lynchings perpetrated by democrats of the time? Intellectual checkmate.

Sharing this piece I wrote hoping to get some feedback

https://clyp.it/acepymyp

Got more takes of it, still putting it together

>>73490978
I think its good, great even for the 1960s. No one had really gone to that level of aleatoricism before.

Perfectly reflects the total carnage of atomic weapons - some sections even sound like the droning of aircraft high above.
He gave it the title after it was written though, so all of this is incidental.

Its not for those uncomfortable with 20th century music though, if you can't handle it start with Schoenberg and Berg and work your way up. Be advised that 20th century isn't for everyone, so you may never "like" it.

>>73491457
>you can't deny the honesty of these composers
xD

>>73491496
Forgot:

Scored for
Piano
Horn
Violin

>>73491496
not very good. Your melodic and harmonic writing are both pretty poor, your transitions are jarring and there doesn't feel like anything that ties the piece together - no economy of material.

Perhaps take some composition papers at university or read Schoenberg's Fundamentals of Musical Composition.

>>73491571
We read Schoenberg's book for that class, I'm a comp undergrad.

My profs echoed the comment on transitions, I'm still working at improving that, so thanks for the feedback. Could you perhaps expound on the comments on melodic and harmonic writing? I'd like to hear what you think the weaknesses are before explaining the piece

>>73491644
The harmony feels very static and the melodic writing is just weak imo. Nothing memorable or "effective" A good melody should make you feel something, or at least express an emotion (or a neutrality as in Webern)

Study some scores like Bach and Mahler or some Brahms for chamber music to see how they handle the interaction of melody and harmony.

Try to space your ideas out - start with 1 good idea (improvise or work on something until you feel its really good), then either alter it or have a new idea enter. Don't just have 3 or 4 ideas all happening at once right from the start. People need something to hold on to - to comprehend what ideas are happening and how they change or interacts with other ideas.

This for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpX8DoS2hr8&t=733s
>Powerful chords - 1st idea
>Melody enters almost unaccompanied - 2nd idea
>melody and chords play off against each other - 1st and 2nd ideas combined

Or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM-6B8_Jj-o
>Cello melody with piano accompaniment - idea 1
>Alterations, increasing intensity, then dying off
>Repeat with parts swapped and more alterations
>increase intensity, die off, repeat

Notice the harmonic changes in both these pieces

>>73491830
Thanks for the detailed feedback. Here is some more info on the piece and I'll address the comments:

Written in ABA'. Pandiatonicism on C marks the intro and first section, where a move into an octatonic sonority takes place into the second section. As the second piece moves into the third, I used Persichetti's rules of intervalic character (per what we needed to do according to the assignment) to spruce up the dissonance into the third movement, as it climaxes and reverts to an almost purely C pandiatonic mode. This has the same melody from the first section except in a different time signature, and the harmony teeters on that C pandiatonic mode and octatonicism.

I actually studied the Brahms trio for the same instruments, and that in and of itself was a huge help. This piece was not where it is now and it was an improvement as it is my first semester. Anyway, I'm nowhere near the master that was Brahms and his intricate puzzling, but hey I'm trying.

And I see your point on the fact that there was "too much happening at once" as my professors also said that about the piece. I like these very dense structures so that is definitely something I look forward to working on in the next semester. Liquidation is my friend but I have yet to recognize it.

Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it.

Any particular strengths you heard?

what is it that is playing right now?: http://www.beethovenfm.cl/player/

Saw Karol Szymanowski's Violin Sonata last night, played by two old masters

What a fucking treat I swear

I have a question. Is classical anything with an orchestra? And if not, what makes classical music in particular, "art music"? Is Gerschwin and Paul Specht art music?

Whoops. Guess I had multiple questions

>>73492286
anon, there's no fixed line separating it from popular and folk, you can find overlapping elements, shit in the intersection, but it's usually formally studied

in some places, its name is erudite music, which seems more appropriate to me

>>73492286
Read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre#The_art.2Fpopular.2Ftraditional_distinction

Does anyone have the complete recordings of Ginette Neveu?

>>73492286
The best definition is that classical music is music made by those who studied it either in an academic institution or under those who did/studied with other masters. It is usually notated but not always.

reminder that renaissance is a MEME
hide renaissance posts
report and ignore renaissance shills

Is anyone in /classical/ a performance major?

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>>73491238
what a stupid nigger

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>>73491479
>unironically using institutionalized racism
faggot

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>quiet, stirring melodies
>WHO PUT ALL THIS FORTISSIMO, ATONAL DISSONANCE IN HERE
>oh no the music is quiet again but the dissonance is still there

literally every piece by this guy

>>73489455
>lose the male gaze and get some water
>male gaze
cringe. what are you reading Judith Butler, Andrea Dworkin, or some other parenthetical female rn? taking a class in body positivity? wew

Opinions/thoughts on Beethoven's Third Symphony? Gives me a Yuja Wang from the start.

>>73493725
A big mile stone in his musical development.

>>73493497
lol any recs? never heard this guy

>>73493735
Do you wish that Beethoven wrote as many symphonies as jmm?
Here's a list I made of the most prolific symphony writers (that I
know of):
Symphonies
Name Numbered Total Lifespan Country

John Melchior Molter 169 1696-1765 Germany
Karl von Dittersdorf 120 150? 1739-1799 Austria
Franz Joseph Haydn 104 125? 1732-1807 Austria
Christoph Graupner 115? 1683-1760 Germany
John Baptiste Vanhal 100 1739-1813 Holland
Karl Philipp Stamitz 80? 1745-1801 Germany
Giovanni Sammartini 77 1700-1775 Italy
Johann Wenzel Stamitz 70? 1717-1757 Germany
Franz Xaver Richter 70? 1709-1789 Austria
Ignaz Holzbauer 65 1711-1783 Austria
Adalbert Gyrowetz 60+ 1763-1850 Austria
Alan Hovhannes 60? 1911- America
Wolfgang A. Mozart 41 55? 1756-1791 Austria
Johann Christian Bach 50? 1735-1782 Germany
Michael Haydn 43 1737-1806 Austria
Frantisek X. Dusek 40? 1731-1799 Austria
Anton Filtz 39? 1725-1760 aBohemia
Havergal Brian 33 33 1876-1972 Britain
Francois Gossec 30+ 1734-1829 France
Georg Wagenseil 30? 1715-1777 Germany
Leopold Kozeluh c.30 1754-1818 Bohemia
Nikolai Y.Miaskovsky 27 27 1880-1950 Russia
Luigi Boccherini 25? 1743-1805 Italy
Leopold Mozart 25 25?? 1719-1787 Austria
Giovanni Battista Martini 24 1706-1784 Italy
Matthias Georg Monn 21 1717-1750 Austria
Franz Beck 20+?? 1723-1809 Germany
Carl Philipp Emaneul Bach 18 18? 1714-

>>73493736
start with surfer rosa

>>73493774
*I didn't write that list, not taking credit for it

>>73493774
Also, isn't it weird to think that probably like 99% of the "professional composers" of the classical world we will never hear?

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>>73493057

Is Monteverdi considered Renaissance or Baroque?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un3EvfxrgfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6PzBnqMW0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlBwddAJmyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RajAq0Yd-s4

>>73493883
both
>Monteverdi is considered a crucial transitional figure between the Renaissance and the Baroque periods of music history. While he worked extensively in the tradition of earlier Renaissance polyphony, such as in his madrigals, he also made great developments in form and melody and began employing the basso continuo technique, distinctive of the Baroque. Monteverdi wrote the earliest opera still regularly performed, L'Orfeo (1607).

>>73493883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6tJWY2Vaz4

>>73493736
his symphonies are a little more sophisticated than what i've described

also his piano sonata is not like that

petzold

i really really like vivaldis four seasons, especially that insane violin part

am i a pleb

>>73495201
liar

you only enjoy ferneyhough

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>>73485564
Just posted a new track, it was written onsight in ikPhilarmonik, please rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZcfT_vSVQQ&feature=youtu.be

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>>73489022
Reminder.

>>73495236
ferneyhough is interesting...

but what are good composers if i really like vivaldis violin/viola/cello work

>>73495338
petzold comes to mind

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Is classical mandolin worth studying?

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>>73495258
Not really sure what I can say, it's a very simple and doesn't really go anywhere.

don't post your shit if it's just a midi playback. get some real people to play it or play it yourself.

If I had to listen to about 3-5 hours of Mahler to get to know his music, what works should I listen to? Same for Strauss.

>>73485698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2VmLkzzBMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRI_ZSh6iF4

>>73495648
1-9
Till Eulenspiegel, Elektra, Metamorphosen, 4 Last Songs

>>73493774
And majority of those are shit besides Mozart's

Quality>Quantity every time

>>73495681
Got any good conductors in mins for both of em?

Best recording of Beethoven's 6th aka Pastoral Symphony? I like Harnoncourt for most of the symphonies but I'm not crazy about this one. Karajan's is good but I've heard criticisms and I think it probably -as usual - is too fast.

>>73495742
For Mahler a good entry point would be Gielen or maybe Kubelik. From there on I think you can get extremely picky, but that's mostly for the listener who has already digested those works.

Loads of people perform Strauss well. You could probably find a Solti or Karajan set very easily and be well off with that for awhile.

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>>73495848
Thanks a ton.

>>73495817
Bohm.

>>73495890
that better not say Schopenhauer

>>73495817
Karajan is far off of Beethoven's metronome markings, though. At tempo it's pretty fast. If you want something taken at leisure try Klemperer.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymP3auU30BU

Sonatas > concertos > symphonies

Thanks for listening.

>>73495898
>>73495913
Thanks guys – Bohm sounds good on a quick listen. And maybe you're right 913 because Klemperer seems to plod. I'll listen to both in any case

>>73495964
>>>/radiohead/

>>73495964
Suites > concertos > sonatas >> farts >> symphonies

Hi everyone. So I have an opportunity to ask a famous, highly knowledgeable professor, head of a music school, and one of the best violinists in the world, questions about classical music. He's friends with my mom, who gave me his email to ask him some questions.

I have some questions that I want to ask him myself, and I thought I'd just run them by you guys, so I make sure I really say what I want to. Also, sorry, but I'm not going to give out his name on 4chan, but you can always just try to guess who it is. You understand.

>>73496086
Ask him hard he fucked your mother.

>>73496099
He was her boss, so nah. Lol.

>>73496132
he owes you free lessons

>>73496162
Not what I meant lmao.

>>73496221
Ask him why he doesn't fuck you as hard.

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>>73496086
Reuploaded without all the typos.

Are people who claim to despise the Romantic era the plebbest of them all?

>>73496323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve7X2elz4lM
Watch this, then reformulate your third question.

>>73489568
>Chopin

That is all I think about that

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>>73489560
>>73489510
>Klemperer

Was there at one time the ability to get a thorough musical education on the internet before the WWW became commercial and any possible such site was flooded with online universities or "buy this thing and you too can play like Slash"?

>>73497254
are you implying that you can't teach yourself through the internet in the current year of our lord?

>>73495648
For Mahler start with Symphony 2, if you find it to be a bit too much, go to the 1st one, then listen to the 5th and the 9th

>>73495817
Zinman is quite good, Leibowitz is also reference, and Walter for older recordings

>>73495742
There's a great selection of recordings in the second mega link for mahler

>>73497336
You can if you have money, but you could do that before.

>>73497635
...

Cimarosa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaScEQWyxE4

Does someone have some good book about tonal harmony? And some bach Chorals analysis?

>>73498520
music in the castle of heaven, john e gardiner, iirc

>>73498598
thanks anon I will take a look

Any piano teachers here?

>>73499439
that depends, are you a neet in your mid 20s who will become the next liszt?

>>73499485
21, I just wanted some answers.

Can you learn how to play piano without a teacher? or is it almost obligatory if you want to get good at it.

>>73499887
http://www.pianopractice.org/FOPP3_2.pdf

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>>73498007
>discount D. Scarlatti
No thanks, m8

>>73500216
Thanks.

>>73497515
Found and made use of it. I liked Symphony 1, but I didn't really enjoy 2 as much.

>>73500571
Check the Sanderling's record of the Sixth.

what is the difference between sonata and concerto

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>what is the difference between sonata and concerto

what is the difference between a quartet and quintet

>>73500976
>>73501032
come on guys im new to this shit, im a /mu/core fag

>>73501057
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonata
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerto

Even if this doesn't make complete sense you'll get a feel of what a Sonata/Concerto usually feature as you listen more

>>73501081
can you explain it in green text my iq is shit

>>73500925
A concerto is an orchestral work where a soloist has a dialogue between their instrument and the orchestra.

A sonata is a work that uses sonata form and is typically either solo piano or piano and another instrument.

Not every concerto or sonata fits these definitions

>>73501032
1

How do I understand and start truly appreciating classical music? I've listened to classical for the past year now and know ae. as much to know what style a piece represents and such. I still don't really enjoy classical music like I do rock and pop music. It just hasn't hit me. To be honest I still find classical a bit boring and I'm starting to lose my faith in trying to force myself to like it without any results. To me classical pieces have some good parts here and there but the rest of it feels like boring filler to make the pieces long enough. So what should I do to make it click? The obvious answer is that I should just listen to it more but I've been starting to doubt that...

>>73501166
No, listen to it less, don't try and force it. Come back to it later and you might get it. I used to hate symphonies, they seemed like several ill-fitting parts lumped together, I couldn't hear the connection between movements. Only later did I suddenly start to appreciate them. If you still want to try then I would suggest solo instrument works: piano sonatas or Bach's cello sonatas or choral which was an entry point for me. Helps you focus on just one thing.

>>73501125
>can you do a funny xD green text

>>73501325
Thanks, I'll try them out. Also how does one make out the connections between movements? I also have a problem with that...

>>73501166
classical is wayyyy better live it kinda sucks on recording desu but is goat live

>>73501489
xDD

Is there anything more infuriating when some asshole casts a coloratura soprano as Rosina? Of course she's going to ham it up because she's a coloratura, but she shouldn't be there in the first place.

>>73501166
A couple of suggestions:

Find a piece you particularly like, and listen to all of the famous interpretations. In hearing the diversity between them you may come to understand the language of the piece better.

If you're finding things dull watch a few operas. They're basically symphonic pop with songs, and whilst the vast majority are light music, they can still be enjoyable and interesting.

>>73501166
The glory of God and the refreshment of the soul, that is the purpose of music. Anything deviating from that should be avoided.

>>73501783
For the glory of God, indeed:

https://youtu.be/nDqEBUFRWs8?t=142

>>73501783
You can say that about anything and everything in life but that kind of idealism isn't realistic.

>>73501665
How do you find the most famous interpretiations?

>>73500601
Levi is better

>>73502304
Suggest a piece you like and I'll suggest a few. You could check Grammophone for example, and see if they have any recommendations. Generally googling a bit will inform you.

Are you reading anything about the music you listen to? You spoke about not being able to interpret the music, but that's also a matter of context. The majority of classical music is certainly not abstract, and even some that is (e.g, Ravel's experiments) are only meaningful in the context in which they were conceived.

>>73500571
If you liked the 1st, try out the 4th, especially the recording on the second mega link

It might sound kitsch if you don't pay attention to the rhetoric, the last movement really closes beautifully

>>73502480
>Grammophone
Now how would I have found out about this publication on the internet without the concept of word of mouth that preceded it?

>>73502605
It's the second link if you google, "classical recording reviews."

Also, don't take reviews as gospel. There's a lot of fucking retarded reviewers out there, but the important thing is getting a grip on the works and for that, most highly rated recordings will serve you just fine. As you listen more and more, you'll probably develop your own tastes in interpretation, as all of us have by now.

>>73495910
>mad about it being Schopenhauer
>not mad about it being a Penguin publication

>>73502662
8th on DuckDuckGo, despite the ridiculous concept presented by the keywords. Though the entire idea of actively listening to classical music without a base knowledge of music is in itself ridiculous.

>>73502736
>Though the entire idea of actively listening to classical music without a base knowledge of music is in itself ridiculous.
It really depends on what kind of listener you are, I think.
After all, it isn't like Beethoven and Wagner were composing to audiences of highly educated people. Majority of them were fucking plebs who probably didn't know the first thing about music theory. And yet many composers loved creating art for that group. Well, they certainly valued them more than critics, that's for sure.

>>73502818
Hence how their music (at least from my dumb ears) is structured around themes rather than phrases and cadences and shit.

>>73502605
At least you now know. Research the composer, and research the music.

If you are in the UK or have access to a proxy you might wish to listen to BBC Radio 3's 'Composer of the Week' series, in which over five programmes during the week major events in a selected composer's life are narrated (often supported by quotes from their letters), with music that is directly linked to those events.

It is a good daily radio programme, and I think listening to it is an enjoyable means to develop knowledge on a variety of composers.

>>73502308
Didn't hear his recording yet

A friend of mine had these two pieces on the same vinyl of Shostakovich. Listened to both sides at least 50 times, though not in over 2 years. Forgot what the pieces were, asked him today. To me, Shostakovich is so utterly unique that hearing these again brings me to a strange place that is comfortable yet secluded, a schizoid paranoia with erotic undertones. Not the music itself, but the things I was reading and sentiments I was having at the time.
I'm a sucker for some of the odd stuff that people here hate on. Ligeti, Messiaen, Bartok. I usually don't see Shostakovich grouped in with these more, ehm, "experimental" composers, for lack of a better term, but he seems very much in a similar camp to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTP0sBYg0bc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Mh9qGSOcc

if i read Schoenbergs Fundamentals of Musical Composition will i learn to actually compose anything or its just to understand what the fuck is going on in classical?

>>73503078
There's no dislike for any particular composers here, everybody gets some love every once in a while. Lurk more.

Any advice for somebody who just started playing the violin? I've just started with learning to read music and playing very basic stuff since I've never played an instrument before. Once I get familiar with the basics, should my practice simply consist of just playing different pieces of music until I'm satisfied with my ability to play them and are there any particular bad habits to look out for so my practice is effective and I don't hinder myself?

shostakovich is the most overrated composer ever

>>73503319
I was not aware of this objective fact.

>>73503319
who?

>>73503319
no that's mozart

>>73503206
make sure you bend your neck properly. when you do scales set a metronome. start out with pop songs and work your way up to jazz. from there move on to debussy and chopin, from there go to Henry Purcell. Then learn to play in tandem with others. I would find a pianist to accompany you on some basic pieces by Bach and Beethoven, Mozart even. This may sound counter-intuitive, but you should learn everything you play backward as well. This will allow you to dominate a musical score and pick up on the ins and outs of even the most intricate compositions. For scales I would play each note three-five times in a row before moving to the next one, starting out. You want to get clear tones or there is no point. Find a bow that gives the ear pleasure. Put up big money for something that will last you throughout your entire life and career. I would find a place where you can also sing along with your playing to sing notes in unison. A soundproof room is ideal, where you won't be afraid to scream without being embarrassed. Work on your emotions and passions as well. You can take an acting class for this. Learn to cry. Learn to freak out. Learn to be joyous, torn, elated, exasperated. You need to channel these extremes while you play, in a genuine way. Drink a lot of water while you play, and pace yourself so you are not incontinent.

>>73503502
I'd like a post like this but piano edition pls

>>73489447
>having a schtick
>CLASSICAL

>>73489957
>implying it lasted until 2010
Music died in the Great War. It was killed by Americans. It was revived in WWII, but only for a moment before the flame was extinguished forever.

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Has anything explicitly been written using dodecaphonic technique that sounds whimsical or just very upbeat?

>>73503536
learn to use ALL of the pedals. many students fall into the habit of just using one which is easiest for them or none at all. Simply put, if you cannot utilize the different bells and whistles of the piano, you're wasting your time. Personally, I'm a big advocate of the Harmony First Approach. don't waste time doing scales or octaves. Learn to play triads, major, minor, then 7th, and the extensions of these. Melody comes from inspiration - in-spire meaning it is breathed into you. You will not come up with a good melody by forcing it, tapping random keys. You need to hear it in you first. In this regard I believe true composers are the best examples of Plato's idea that knowledge already exists and we just extract it. These forms are not things we find in the world, but pressing this note then that one, waiting then hitting that (no, I'll try this instead). No. You need to have it inside of you first then your fingers will go where they need to go. Harmony is another manner. I would develop excellent dexterity. Get a pack of thick rubber bands. You will use these compulsively throughout the day, wrapping them around two adjacent fingers and stretching them. I would also do exercises which give you strong trap and delt muscles. I'm thinking pullups, lateral raises, and deadlifts. A superset, for those unaware, is where you do multiple exercises back to back in the same "set." For my students, I have them incorporate exercise into our sessions. We use a superset of sorts which involves playing an excerpt they are attempting to master, at a slower tempo (maybe 10-20 bpm slower than the original), then going to the pullup bar in the door and doing at least 3 solid pullups. My music studio is on the second floor of some Asian nail parlor building. If we deadlift with a barbell then we might crash through the ceiling and kill someone. Therefore, we use barbells for Romanian DeadLifts. The pupil has 60s to get water, catch their breath.

>>73503786
>learn to use ALL of the pedals
Do I stop reading there? because I got a digital piano.

>>73503786
Not sure about the exercises part either, having metal bars (scoliosis) in my lower back and being a skinny fag. I could do the rubber thing for the fingers.

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>>73503811

>>73503894
Poverty what else.

>>73503887
ok u r on the right track. I wd do lateral raises sitting down with yr back firm and in good posture. Try to replace deadlifts with those and pullups with farmers carries and you'll be fine. I do question your determination to pull through though. Do you think Bach made excuses? Henry Purcell?

>>73503937
I'll do it, I have a lot of time and I feel bad If I don't practice. I figured I need to exercise.

>>73501531
>Of course she's going to ham it up because she's a coloratura, but she shouldn't be there in the first place.
lol I looked up coloratura because from this context I got the idea that there was a 50% chance it meant nigger. I wuz wronk

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>>73501665
>In hearing the diversity between them you may come to understand the language of the piece better.
>diversity

>>73503811
Sell it and rent a upright piano. If you're living with other people, buy also some isolation pads and put them under the wheels of the piano. By doing this playing with the middle pedal on will be less loud than listening to music from your pc.
In many places you can get to rent pianos for 20 to 30$/month, which is affordable by most people. The main expense will be transport.

>>73503811
Can't you just plug peddles in?

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>>73504080
Just because cucks used that word to force wedge issues doesn't mean that its other meanings are null.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE0fgkRrRhM

Boulanger

>>73504100
Third world so I doubt any advice you give me can help.
>>73504122
Yeah a set of three that aren't available here anymore (for the privia px 160)

>>73501868
wew those guys sound like cuck faggots at the beginning but sweet licks bro

>>73504160
There are quite a few generic peddles available. I don't know if they're inherently incompatible with the brand you mention, but look to see if you can get some third party ones.

>>73504136
nah homie it's effectively ruined and will never be resuscitated. wish they didn't have to destroy our language, but that's that.

>>73504160
>tfw you want this third-world anon to emigrate in a nice place and kickstart a career as a pianist

I don't care anon, just get on a boat and become a refugee in Germany. You've got our support.

>>73504174
Yeah?
>>73504200
that's a last resort, I'm still stuck in HS for the next 2 years anyway.

>>73504235
Have you any ambition in music? Or are you just doing it for fun?
In these 2 years you can develop no relevant skill on the piano, but you can still fully train your ears/relative pitch, and have a very strong grip on harmony, melody, counterpoint and theory by the time you play a piano for the first time. It will also teach you self-discipline, which is needed if one wants to have his voice heard in the art music world.

>>73504279
>In these 2 years you can develop no relevant skill on the piano
Damn no vaseline.
>Have you any ambition in music?
I do wish to incorporate the piano into my life I've always loved music.

>>73503979
thanks and semper fidelis. you will make it, but only if you remain persistent. a minute a day is better than 10 hrs every month. a second a day is better than never playing. practicing in your mind for a half hour a day is better than physically playing for 2 minutes a day. Don't be random. Plan things out, with structure. Many musicians tend to be too wishy-washy, or they are anal-retentive no-fun. This is why I recommend A. logging all of your exercises - musical and physical, even mental practice and B. taking acting seriously, activating crucial emotions. Have you heard of Resting Bitch Face or Resting Douche Face? No one wants to see some cunt get up there with the piano, even if they are a complete virtuoso, if they are just going to do Resting Cunt Face for an hour straight. The small things matter, and musical vs. extramusical is a false dichotomy. Think of connecting the Brahman with the Atman. Be a mensch.

>>73504321
>but you can still fully train your ears/relative pitch, and have a very strong grip on harmony, melody, counterpoint and theory by the time you play a piano for the first time. It will also teach you self-discipline.

I'm interested in this, since I figure people will not take me seriously as a pianist since I didn't start at the age of 4 minutes.

>>73504200
Israel**

>>73504365
just look at that nigger Jamie Foxx in that one movie, the Soloist. If a schizophrenic nigger can do it, so can you.

>>73504431
Yeah I believe I can, thanks for the encouragement anon.

>>73504431
Hey you're this anon right? >>73504200
when you said "you've got your support" you mean you're a german living in Germany? also I don't see anyone posting but I apologize If I'm shitting up the thread.

>>73504750
Nope, but I did write Israel**

>>73504776
Ah ok, pol anon.

>>73504750
As an Israeli citizen, I am for unlimited refugees and an end to the racist White Supremist totalitarian Nazi state. #openborders4izrael

>>73504798
Actually, I'm Ben Shapiro. Politically Incorrect is racist and anti-Semitic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L47SRue0gt8

>>73504819
Ok Ben.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G59SxKVo_I

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>>73504904
You probably voted for Trump and are a member of the Alt-Right White Supremacists.

>>73501166
When people fail at learning to play an instrument, the usual advice is to change the method, but more often than not I find the reason for the failure is psychological. Some people lack the attention span to play an instrument well and I'd tackle that first, directly, with something like meditation rather than have them force themselves to follow a method, often making them hate the instrument.

My advice to you, if you're really interested in classical music, is to practice meditation until following everything that's going on in a piece becomes the norm. Within reason, of course, as some pieces are very complex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8mbA083hE&pbjreload=10

was listening to a classical radio and they put stockhausen. piece consisted on out of tune tubas and people clapping randomly at bursts. how did this shit ever fly? who paid for this garbage?

>>73505053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePBB-NO8vKg

>>73505053
the usual response is:
it's an experience, man!, and that's, liek, ur opinion lol
or
get an education, fuckin' pleb

>>73505169
This actually sounds extremely cool.

Is there some reason Stockhausen seems more sophisticated than stuff like Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk and other Krautrock or whatever? They all sound the same, yet with Stockhausen the view generally is like he is this respected "composer" and the others are just druggies tinkering with toys.

Albergati

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ9CNneaqtk

>>73505329
he has a """formal""" education and notated his music

>>73505169
sounds dated as fuck. the Terminator soundtrack achieved that whole concept way better, and earlier too.

Is there anything in Jazz that didn't already exist in classical, particularly romantic music? I want to BTFO some idiot whining about white's "cultural appropriation" of black music.

>>73505362
What concept would that be, mi amigo?

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>>73505346
>a baroque composer I've never heard of
H-how could I have let this happen?

>>73505349
Makes sense. Guess that's why some retards take John Maus seriously, both musically and theoretically. He studied under Zizek and apes his mannerisms, and writes shitty pop music that has "ideas" behind them.

>>73505349
Well, he actually had a formal education and was a erudite pioneer of electronic music, in both structural and technological matters.
I guess he sounds more sophisticated than Kraftwerks because, well, he actually made that up.

>>73485698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ilb3jfWao

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>>73505362

>>73489753
andante sostenuto

>>73489753
My favorite has got to be [no tempo indication].

>>73489753
Lebhaft

>>73489753
cara sposa

what's some good classical that conveys death, loneliness, and questioning of existence?

a-asking for a friend.

>>73505714
4'33

>>73505714
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45lNvNsdPLc

>>73505714

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL0fIFOlLA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLxa5lKUkco

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>>73485564
trying to respond to this classmate, it just keeps the same tempo until the end right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ItHLz5WEA

>>73501166
>To me classical pieces have some good parts here and there but the rest of it feels like boring filler to make the pieces long enough.
I find this is a common problem many people have who listen to popular music and come to classical music. For the most part popular music has a single emotion with a very simple tool set to achieve it. I find it utterly boring. There is nothing to concentrate on. With classical music an enormous part of the enjoyment comes from the intellectual engagement with the work.
I enjoy hearing a fugue for the first time and understanding when I'm hearing reiterations of the subject and response, when these are in retrograde or inversion etc.
The richness of the theory lends to a richness of emotional expression

>but the rest of it feels like boring filler to make the pieces long enough
This is because you don't understand what is happening. Regardless of what anyone says someone who has a good knowledge of chess is going to enjoy watching a game more than someone who doesn't know the rules. To the latter person it's just a slow game where people pointlessly shuffle pieces around, to the former it's hours and hours of a heavily engaged mind.

>>73505365
Until the 60's everything about jazz can be understood and have precedents in classical music. It's only when jazz gets weird that it starts doing things that were/are alien to classical music.

>>73499887
If you are very organised, have a knack for music, have gotten somewhere beyond beginner tier at another instrument, know a reasonable amount of music theory or have learned how to successfully self teach in general (which is actually a pretty rare skill) then you can do it alone. However for everyone else you MUST have a teacher. Seriously in a single month with a good teacher will do you better than a year of aimless self practice.

>>73506195
what about improv and swing rhythM?

>>73506221
>have learned how to successfully self teach in general
This I believe, I always looked up to teachers as a kid but I just couldn't learn from them so I did it instead. Besides the more I read about piano teaching the more I dislike the idea of taking classes, this way at least I'll have only myself to blame.

>>73496323
1) The socio-economic factors of the last one hundred years have been radically different than ever before and this is why you believe the things you do in regard to this point.
One thing that has been true for some time is that all professional orchestras rely on playing music enough people want to listen to to support themselves. It's an extremely competitive business that promotes accessible at the expense of complex, and old fashioned as opposed to avant garde.
In the 20th century orchestras found it more difficult to earn money with the rise of recorded music which made them more conservative with their choices which hurt contemporary composers. I'm not just talking about people like Schoenberg, I really do mean all contemporary composers.
If you belong to a very prestigious orchestra in a major metropolitan era you have a bit more choice but if you are a tiny orchestra in fuckoffistan then you have to play it very safe. Why risk a new work by an untested composer when you can play something you know people like. The reason Macbeth is considered a word that brings bad luck is because it was such an enormously popular play. If you heard cast members saying it it was likely they were going to pull your unpopular show to put on something they knew would put people in the seats.
As it became harder and harder for composers to receive real popular attention there was not the same incentive for them to write music for the mainstream crowd.

3) A great many people hated Strauss, Mahler, Stravinsky, Debussy, Wager ect for being too weird and challenging. The only difference between them and say the Second Viennese School is that because of the socioeconomic climate they were handled far more harshly than their avant garde predecessors. They never got the necessary performances to become accepted.
It still baffles me that anyone who loves Strauss can't even begin to image why people like Schoenberg.

>>73506253
>what about improv
If you transcribe any improvised jazz before the 60's you can understand it using classical theory.

>swing rhythm
What about it? Just because it's something that can't really be notated in standard notation doesn't mean it's complex. It's very simple.

People like Bach used to have 20 kids
DMX just had his 15th kid, in the current year
People like Bach, in the current year, are not breeding
Checkmate Western Culture

>>73488079
Yeah...commissions don't work like that...

Just keep writing what you like for as long as possible and premiering works locally until you catch someones eye. Nobody will commission you if they don't like your music, and there's still a large portion of people not interested in super dissonant art music.

Just picked up a commission from an artist who liked that I blurred the line between tonal and atonal, and also that I used a lot of voices in my electronics works which are suited well for a work premiere he wants to do later this year.

Overall I guess my point is stay true to yourself and your music and go from there, and literally show your music to anybody who will listen to it, you never know where that commission will come from. Good luck.

Give me an easy song to learn
t. Piano beginner

>>73506482
mikrokosmos

>>73506482
Liszt - Faust Symphony
Tales from the Crypt theme

>>73493774
Hovhaness?

>>73506599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ3Wm5HiTrE

>>73506713
Oh, didn't see his name listed there, thought there were a great deal more than 60 however.

>>73506810
Guess not, well fuck

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This is actually great

>>73506435
People in general have less children nowadays, because the infant mortality rate is lower.

2 of Bach's children died within a year of being born (one only living a few hours), His 6th kid died at 24. 7th kid died within 10 months of birth, 8th kid died at 13, 10th kid died at age 3, 12th kid lived less than a year, 13th kid died at age 5, 14th kid lived less than a year, 15th kid died a year after birth, 17th kid died within a year of birth.

So out of 20, only 9 made it to adulthood.

http://www.classicfm.com/composers/bach/guides/children/

These days almost no children die in the 1st and 2nd world, so 2 - 5 children is more than enough.

>>73504804
>israeli
>/lit/
ma ata ose

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>>73489879
Prestissimo in glissandi

>>73485564
Symphony no1 in d minor from Havergal Brian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfAA5UiR-8