Is this album the peak of Jazz music?

>>73422827
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTJf9WS7fi8
This is

No the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack is better

nah it's gotta a Miles Davis or Charles Mingus album

Ascension is great stuff but it's too derivative to be considered peak of anything. Ornette Coleman and Cecil Taylor both produced better Free Jazz

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Listen to this.

>>73422888
>too derivative
Elaborate.

>>73422827
No, this is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMz39CBiziA

>>73422827
Yes, it is objectively the greatest piece of music of the 20th century

>>73423440
not him but Ascension is just free jazz by john coltrane with a sprinkle of Black Saint

>>73423440
the peak of jazz would ideally be something that is firmly jazz. Ascension is too far from mainline jazz to overlook the entire genre.

>>73423569
here's a guy who has heard neither album. or hasn't spent enough time with them to comment

>>73422827
No, him playing with Thelonious was (as far as Coltrane records go)

No

https://youtu.be/L_XJ_s5IsQc

Inb4 hurr durr jazz fusion isn't jazz

>>73423569
Experimental Big Band doesn't equal Black Saint at all.

>>73423634
I kinda agree with this that album is absolutely killer. Probably some of the best soloing I've ever heard.

And they had great chemistry but Coltrane sounds good playing with anybody

>>73423641
jazz fusion is jazz. but you just posted a hipster pitchfork friendly shit band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWs7cY-fEn0

>>73423588
>>73423666
>>73423569
ok maybe not black saint but what does ascension have to offer that isnt "ambitious free jazz" which is something free jazz already did, genuinely curious

also sorry I meant Free jazz by Ornette Coleman

>>73422860
what is this

>>73423694
>Pitchfork friendly
What

And Snarky Puppy has some of the best instrumentalists active in the jazz scene right now

>>73423712
I see. I don't fully understand your question tho.

Ascension was probably a first in terms of orchestration and scale, but isn't as compositionally strong as stuff like Free Jazz or some of Cecil Taylor's work. It's a bit too much soloing around tones for me which is kinda the limit of Coltrane's compositional style.

>>73423759
>And Snarky Puppy has some of the best instrumentalists active in the jazz scene right now
No no no

>>73423759
the instrumental you posted just doesn't seem to have much soul - it seems very clean and structured - every instrument has its solo bit and they never seem to clash and talk to each other
for such a big (big) band there's a surprising lack of things going on
fusion doesn't have to be this tame

>>73423641
wow.
that is boring.
anything actively calling itself 'snarky' tends to be somewhat whack

>>73422827
I disdain Coltrane on soprano.. And most free jazz all together. Trane played much better when he was with miles.

>>73423634
Fair

no, meditations is.

>Implying
But that's not Machine Gun.

>>73423475
sun ship is amazing. really got into the more 'free' styles of jazz music.

>>73423759
>best instrumentalists active in the jazz scene right now
get out

>>73424651
Memechine gun.

Is this album a meme? It fucking sounds like what you think hell looks like.

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tfw you get fucking destroyed by your wife

>>73428421
sanders was better than coltrane, idk about Alice but Transcendence is better than that album so maybe

>>73428443
Oh shit I'll have to check that one out, thanks man