Do you guys miss early 2010s?

I miss all of the 2000s

>>73409185
No everything objectively went to shit after mid-to-late 2009

>>73409185
lol fuck no

>>73409203
Try 2007

Yeah. Before the SJWs. Before the Trump fags. Times were much more peaceful (in the U.S., the Middle East sucked like always).

>>73409212
Nah dude 2007 and 2008 were fine

>Tfw this was the shit back then

https://youtu.be/YdQhxztj8Cc

I want back

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>>73409220
I mean, trump was being a reality star at that point and went to Mets games

I miss chillwave.

>>73409242
>wearing a suit to a baseball game

He really is autistic, isn't he?

>>73409262
Lots of people do that at baseball games. You are showing a public image and he isn't even hard to find. Imagine him just casually wearing a Mets shirt. Everyone would call him unprofessional and lazy and etc

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>>73409185
The world should have ended in 2012

>>73409298
I'd rather see the world end for later generations. We may be fucked as of now, but in the next millennium, we may be seeing some grade A terrible Shit

>>73409242
He wasn't in politics yet was my point, obviously he was still famous

>>73409185
Kind of? I mean even now one could see that they had a definitive aesthetic, but do I miss it? Not really, but perhaps in 10 years I will.
>>73409262
He might be autistic, but you're retarded.

>>73409298
Technically the world we knew ended in 2012, who knew everything would get so fucking political, surreal and tedious past that.

>>73409312
>He wasn't in politics yet
trump ran for president in 2000

>>73409203
that's when music only started getting good mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zol2MJf6XNE

>>73409246
me too senpai :'(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlJ27Dcv4fc

I really miss when commercial-core indie music of 2006 - 2012

I miss the "indie-hype machine"

I miss hipster runoff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XC2mqcMMGQ

>>73409593
>>73409246
This.
/mu/ may not have been any better of a place but at least it was decidedly more fun before rapfags, /pol/, and facebook took over

/mu/ took a nosedive in overall quality 2011/2012

Yeah but not cause of fucking deadmau5

>>73409337
If I'm not mistaken the Mayans didn't consider the end of the world to be "Earth blows up and we all die", and it was the start of a new age, rather. This is a notion that appears elsewhere too, Japan for one has cyclical notions of the apocalypse, if my memory doesn't fail me.

>tfw the Mayans foresaw the rise of politics into daily conversation and the Age of Outrage centuries before it happened

>>73409220
>Before the SJWs
Yeah it's not like SJW's existed long before you started watching InfoWars. All those damn hippies 50 years ago didn't exist

>>73409819
>the Mayans were right but we have to live through it

FUCK

Evola was wrong, NOW we are in Kali Yuga

>>73409805
>tfw in a few years people will be looking back on /mu/ right now with nostalgia

>>73409828
Were they on /mu/?

4chan was essentially apolitical, or just contrarian if anything.

>>73409728
I disagree, as much as I miss the indie meme music, /mu/ really peaked around 2013 when meme-rap exploded

It was sort of like a last hurrah of /mu/ and after that Summer all of that meme energy discussion just left here and splintered off into a lot of facebook pages and became the mainstream of music culture.

The last good threads that used to regularly be posted here were the hip-hop generals of 2015 when barter 6 and ds2 came out.

This song was the last Summer of /mu/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stgrSjynPKs

>>73409830
It's more akin to the end of the world as we know it, really, rather than "the world will end and there will be nothing but wastelands". So throw your predictions and philosophy out of the window because nothing of that will make sense anymore and we have to suit ourselves for a new age.

I mean, the considered end of the Arab Spring is December 2012. The entire world, as a whole, changed that year.

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>>73409728
/mu/ was best when it convinced me to listen to Slint and the Avalanches and Fishmans

>>73409928
Maybe the "peak" wasn't the word I was looking for. It was more like that last great one.

I personally thing /mu/ peaked when MBDTF came out and perhaps the Death Grips ARG

>>73409185
I was happier, healthier, and less depressed so yeah
I'm moderately more successful than I was before however

>>73409185
Yes, I was still in high school and getting laid all the time. Now I'm just like (You)

>>73409246
DESU, I'm really angry it didn't become mainstream. Imagine seeing washed out, neon Indian, or toro y moi become a huge star.

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No, i think culture has been experiencing a spiritual death that occurred during the obama years, poptamism was the embrace of mediocrity, capitalist and consumer culture masked as social liberalism and pushed by yuppie music journalists.
Electronic music was rebranded as "EDM", watered down, and mass marketed to dude bros.
Guitar music, if it still exists is usually made by some petit bourgeois sad faggot, jangly pop, shoegaze, crawl back into your mothers womb music.
Rap, which used to be made by lower class black people and be about their problems is now top 40 pop music or marketed more towards the interests of once again, yuppie liberals.
I think any and all lower class and proletariat voice has been removed from mass culture, the last big phase of that was in the 90's with brit pop and grunge, and how rap used to be.
Now music is made in the favor of soulless upper middle class people who have dreams of being the managerial and bureaucratic elite.
I think culture as a whole has stagnated, frozen, because there is no hope for the future, the end of history, the future is a never ending nightmare of capitalist exploitation and there is no hope, so people look to the past, and thats why nostalgia seems so prevalent, remakes, reboots, expanded universes, sampling, etc

If you want a picture of the obama years picture a blue haired sjw yuppie with a skrillex cut who attends a university and lives in a gentrified area telling a lower class white person who works 3 part time jobs that they are born privileged and racist and deserve everything bad capitalism does to them, picture unending divisive identity politics, never class politics, picture the demand for representation in pop cultural media, the demand for the commodification of social movements and marginalized groups, but never the improvement of material conditions in reality

>>73410027
Toro Y Moi is pretty big now but

>>73410083
You are a big racist

>>73410083
b-but TPAB! conscious rap is alive and well!

>>73409185
Yeah, I miss the birth of American Idol and the ignoring of real music with talented musicians.

>>73409593
vampire weekend :)

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>>73410083
This is actually a good point about the drowning out of most non-upper-middle class voices.

>>73410366
Isnt it striking that this used to be popular music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb450Alpps


The real big problem with americans is they have a severe lack of class consciousness.

Lets examine rockism and poptamism under this lens.
Rock music, which was made by lowerclass white men, was derided by upper middle class young urban professionals, so that we could live in a world were you get excited about the profit motive, the chart number, and the stagnate top 40 shit the record company feeds you that was put together by a committee and marketers

>>73410433
Capitalism has even consumed vaporwave. Is there anything capitalism can't put it's dready hands on?

I'm starting to think nasheeds and tunes advocating suicide killing are really the only thing remaining that can combat american imperialism.

>>73410433
I think it's more striking in country music.

Lots of popular country artists in the 50s/60s/70s legitimately grew up in rural poverty and never had any sort of formal education.

Of course there's much less severe poverty like that today, but still, I can't imagine the sad, trampled songwriters of yesteryear singing about a shiny new lifted pickup like it was the ultimate thing to obtain in life. Or the countless contemporary country songs about partying and hanging out.

Great, 50 songs about being happy with your friends. Does anyone learn anything from listening to those other than "I need to buy Bud Light and Skoal and take out a loan for a new Chevy!"

>>73410366
Honestly, even those are in a fairly weird state (speaking as someone who was an upper-middle class guy). There is a distinct disassociation of personal identity - it's how you have memes and stuff about parties still making a lot of success in the midst of politics spreading to nearly anything. Personal identity seemed to have disappeared outside of things like politics, and there was a very distinct nihilism that I can't really put into words - it's why shoegaze and jangle pop and the whole "chill" attitude have become so popular. With the society shaping itself towards this odd need to have an opinion on all things political, they moved towards a whole "nothing matters, so relax and let's party" style that is honestly really present. Now the thing is - with this, they left behind a sense of personal identity. In comparison to other years, it all seemed to blend together and fuse into one big mess that is kind of hard to discern. This nihilism caused by a sensation of a considerably more difficult future and different values leads to a detachment from personal identity.

Thing is, this behaves like a water ripple. Suddenly this starts applying to others further down below and it all just leads to depression, cognitive disassociation and romanticizing possible perfect situations.

Essentially, the upper-middle class is going through a massive emotional crisis right now and that stuff is resonating down below - and with far more impactful results.

>>73410513
The funniest thing about capitalism is how it sneaks up on the people who claim to hate it the most.

The invisible hand is real, you don't see it when it comes up and grabs you by the pussy.

>>73410522
Music used to be about the sadness that came from poverty or the confidence and determination of a poor person to escape that poverty.

Now most music, even black music, seems to have morphed to cater to the interests of coastal elites, the future neoliberal managers that maintain the the negative peace of capitalism which affords them privileges over the the "hicks" of middle america and and the minorities from the ghettos. Or music is about the spectacle, no substance, like EDM, people go to those festivals to do drugs and see bright lights, not the music.

Burn down the disco
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music that they constantly play
It says nothing to me about my life
Hang the blessed DJ

>>73410553
Lol who cares what yuppies are emo about, are they scared trump might deport their maid and they might have to raise their own kids for once.
Try living paycheck to paycheck, try getting your job outsourced, try automation, try your country being culturally destroyed by mass immigration while the rich live in all white gated communities and tell you to love diversity every time a terrorist attack happens

>>73410784
I'd love to know how the U.S. is being culturally destroyed by anyone, nigga we destroyed everyone else's culture -they're all Americans now, to greater and lesser degrees.

>>73409185
I miss being young, like most before me I idealize the time period where I was a child, so late 90's early 00's, in like 5 years we will be flooded with 15 years who where in primetime for early 10's, and the cycle will continue.

>>73410784
No, not even, I've actually seen quite a few of them leaning towards that side. It's a bit odder than that. Essentially the upper middle class has impact in that it's the one that can really make a certain brand take off as an internation thing, as it feeds from both ends and it can both funnel from the higher classes (which are far beyond upper middle class) to the lower classes or vice-versa.

Current "yuppie" situation is... odd. There seems to be no sense of personality, of having your own uniqueness, it's essentially become about what groups do you identify with, in particular in a more political sense, and nihilism (as mentioned by other posters, what with festivals being about the spetacle rather than the music). This all emanates from the 2008 crash and the realization that they wouldn't be able to live the same life as their parents, which lived in a completely different social climate, many of which climbed up a corporate ladder by knowing how to play their cards right (such as developing their skills beyond just what's needed and becoming more and mroe valuable).

Since they end up being the tendency canal, they essentially have a deep impact in trends being sent up towards the higher classes from the lower classes and how that applies back. Which essentially means that the folks below are witnessing an upper middle class that desperately wants to cling to something - and since they can't and that ends up going to middle class and then lower middle class and eventually the lower classes the whole thing essentially just becomes a chaotic mess for everyone down below as the upper middle class intervenes everywhere trying to find out their place.

I can't go "oh pity me" at all, I'll give you that, but there's a weird phenomenon that's going on right now in the upper middle classes where they, as a whole, are trying to figure out their own identity and that intereferes with everyone.

>>73410863
That's actually something that is quite funny - everyone's American to a greater or lesser extent, but what that essentially means is that Americans are getting more and more divided as they can't find an uniqueness in their own culture and thus the rise of politics in day-to-day conversation.

>>73409185

Yes but only because I was young and had friends

>>73409185
I miss pre 2007

>>73409185

Yes. Class of 2014, I miss scene girl pussy

>>73409185
2007-2009 more like

>>73409279
All those people who would say that are also autistic. You wear a shirt and wear the jersey over the shirt with some jeans or slacks, not formal wear. Imagine if he wore a fucking tuxedo everywhere he went.

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>>73410285
>nobody understands what REDpill really means
>even the left is overly concerned with niche identity politics bs

divided and conquered

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>>73411143
I think this song perfectly describes the culture of the teens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b7DgOeMnW4

I miss Obongo

>>73411191
Maybe I was young and naive, but I really thought that Yes We Could....we did not

>>73410083
I agree with most of what you say but suggesting that music made by/for the middle-upper class is inherently bad while music made by/for the working class is inherently good is dumb.

>>73411267
the sadness of poverty will always be more potent than the the sadness of some guy whose dad didnt buy him a second car.

>>73411191
what do you miss the most, that time he expanded the surveillance state, that time he bailed out the banks and foreclosed on millions of homes.

My favorite obama moment was actually after the presidency were the first thing he did was hang out with billionaires on their private islands and give speeches to wall street.

Real salt of the earth that obama guy

>>73409185
You bet your god damn ass I do

>>73411335
my personal fav was how he didn't close Gitmo

I was born in '88 so usually I'd sit here and talk about how great the '90s were, but if we're talking only 21st century then I believe '04-'09 was pretty great.

>>73411318
>the sadness of poverty will always be more potent
not if the song is shit
>sadness of some guy whose dad didnt buy him a second car
link pls

>>73411318
The sadness of having all things material and nothing else is a real thing

>>73411387
I don't think upper middle class is at the level of "buying your son two cars", talking as one guy that's actually from upper-middle class (though not right now after I moved out for college), it's more of a "giving your son a brand new car" or something. Then again car prices here are bloody high.

>>73410083
>No, i think culture has been experiencing a spiritual death that occurred during the obama years, poptamism was the embrace of mediocrity, capitalist and consumer culture masked as social liberalism and pushed by yuppie music journalists.

So, basically what Christgau has been doing since the 1960s.

>>73411356
>I was born in '88 so usually I'd sit here and talk about how great the '90s were
As if you were consciously aware of the first half of the decade anyway.

I'm real sure your 3 year old self remembered what you were doing when you first saw the Smells Like Teen Spirit video on MTV.

>>73409185
Apart from 2010,i don't

>>73411335
You forgot putting gay pride colors on the White House.

>>73411494
A good year for all the wrong reasons.

>>73411478
It is likely
Why do so many people have a hard time accepting the fact that its possible for some individuals to be consciously aware as early as 2?

>>73411461
think you meant to reply to the other guy

>>73411586
Yeah, actually.

>>73411566
I guarantee you he might remember watching Sesame Street back then. MTV...nah.

>>73410969
>This all emanates from the 2008 crash and the realization that they wouldn't be able to live the same life as their parents, which lived in a completely different social climate
Big deal, during the 70s-early 80s recession they all said you wouldn't have the opportunity your parents did in the 50s.

>>73410522
Wait, why are you listening to Florida-Georgia Line?

>>73409185
>deadmau5
His only worthy release was RAT imo

I do miss not worrying about politics
i miss politics being boring as fuck, both obama and romney were bland and i like it that way
i miss indie rock having its last gasps before dying

>>73411464
He's sometimes criticized rich white liberals like Carly Simon and James Taylor for being phonies, but then when a group like Black Sabbath who had a legitimate working class background appeared, he didn't understand them at all and thought they were con artists.

>>73412072
And it's not as if his beloved Rolling Stones were greasy proles from the streets when they went to college and partied with celebrities in the Playboy Mansion.

>>73411335
>Hillary taking selfies with celebrities while Trump was holding huge rallies with thousands of Joe Beer Guts in blighted Rust Belt towns

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>>73410658
>Music used to be about the sadness that came from poverty or the confidence and determination of a poor person to escape that poverty.
>1910 music started
Shut the fuck up you clueless mong.

>>73410083
You are delusional to think music got worse in the last 10 years and to hold up the music of the 90s as where it went to shit

The real truth is the commercial music has always been degenerative, crude, tasteless even perpetuating anti-family behaviour, as far back as the 19th Century.

The spiritual death and decline of the Western world is not some recent phenomena, it is a process that has been ongoing throughout the entirety of the 20th Century. It of course did not help that Western man was completely demoralised by the Two World Wars of the 20th Century. These wars were a mechanical slaughter/genocide of White Europeans. Some people like Theodore Kaczynski the decline as far back as the Industrial Revolution, other claim even Enlightenment. One of the pillars of our rich traditional culture was Romantic Classical music which celebrated structure, beauty and harmony.

Towards the end of the 19th Century and early 20th, modernist thought started to emerge in the West, particularly via institutions like the Frankfurt School which brought us the notion of critical theory. One of the targets of critical theory of was classical music. Along came Modern Classical and Post-Modern Classical. With Jewish composers like Schoenberg who put forth pieces that posit that ideals like beauty are subjective and that form and structure is restrictive. They made pieces that jumped all over the place, caused anxiety to listen with grating timbres and melodies, the sort of music that would become featured in Disney cartoons. Modern Classical is in a sense a sonic portrait of the Jewish soul and in comparison to Romantic Classic is stripped of a rich and verbose spirit.

1/4

>>73412284
The emergence of mass-media in the 20th Century was an accelerating force in the spiritual death of the Western soul. Technologies like television and the radio allowed for not only the dissemination of, but mass-visualisation of different concepts and ideas. Unfortunately the content that was broadcast via these revolutionary technologies perpetuated a modernist perspective of reality that was mostly nihilistic, demoralising and subversive. This is the period that commercial "Rock/Popist" music emerged. Music was no longer high-art made for and by aristocrats, it was now an attraction of the masses. By virtue of this fact, it had to degenerate to become accessible to the lowest common denominator. Western music lost a lot of its spirit and potency from the popularisation of recorded music. Popular music and by extension Popular culture in general has been degenerative for the West simply because it has been a replacement of God. Friedrich Nietzsche summed up this phenomena the best when he declared that God is dead and we killed him. The religious and obsessive impulses of people is no longer being devoted to passion to God. God was once an ideal for man to strive towards that maintained a healthy, high-trust, civilised society. It also fostered homogeneity and cohesion amongst a people by providing them shared, relatable cultural practices. Instead these impulses became directed towards popular culture phenomena which do not encourage lifestyles that maintain civilisation. For example the degenerate mass drug-fuelled orgies centred around music like Coachella, some that are celebrated today with a nostalgia amongst boomers like Woodstock.Beatles-mania is an early example of an almost religious level of devotion in popular music, a phenomena where people were crazed by the Beatles. This crazed following has been replicated many times over with fandoms/scenes for many bands and genres, forming their own subcultures.

2/4

>>73412300
It is this notion of subcultures that are another degenerative agent to Western culture. These subcultures have assisted in fracturing the homogeneity and unity of Western society by creating artificial cultural divisions between individuals based on something as arbitrary as the music that they listen to. This splintering of Western society based on music is apart of and fuels a wider trend of radical Individualism.

The Internet has been the main vehicle of this radical Individualism and in some ways there is some benefits to this Internet era of meme-music. The same old hostile and subversive cultural gatekeepers of the 19th and 20th Century no longer have as control on the content that we consume. The narrow width of the ideological mental prison imposed on the masses is widening. As part of that, there is far more variety in music than ever before in history. It is possible to completely opt-out and find alternatives to music that isn’t hostile to Western society. There’s also a lot more experimentation and risk-taking in music of today now that there is potential to reach an audience without being held back by the traditional channels of the past. This means that not only is it possible to make much more radical and profound music, but for it to be heard by an audience. The widely available software also provide more freedom over constructing, moulding and manipulating sounds and audio than ever before, allowing for more of an deliberate and detailed artistic expression via the medium of music. Works of art that could raise, empower and impact the European collective-consciousness for the better.

3/4

>>73412311
The popular music of today is only horrible because the pushers of such music are hostile to the West. The most popular flavour of pop-music in the US at the moment is Trap music, a hip-hop derivative almost exclusively dominated by African Americans and their Jewish record producers. The fact that this music is popular also reflects the radical demographic shift in the United States towards a true multiethnic, multicultural society in which White Europeans will soon be a minority. The people consuming this content are third-worlders and this music reflects their primitive, uncivilised sensibilities. Lyrically, trap is usually concerned with material wealth, drug-use, violence and casual sex. Sonically it is very repetitive, loud and crude.
There’s a quality to trap music however of confidence and enthusiasm that is interesting. Something that is interestingly lacking from popular genres of music dominated by white people like indie-rock music which tends to be more nihilistic, awkward, dissociated, anxious or plays with the concept or irony/authenticity as an extension of diffidence and indecisiveness. I think this is in part another example of the spiritual death of Western culture as derived from popular music.So while popular of music of today could be interpreted as “bad”, it has been that way for a very long time. Most music is degenerate in general and has worsened the state of Western spiritual health but I also think its a symptom of poor spiritual health which has existed for at least a century now. I’m not saying you should sperg out and completely boycott music, but its best to be self-conscious when listening to music, use it as your lens to derive meaning from contemporary music and do not be afraid to make music yourself using these ideas to shift perspectives.

There is also a lot of a hope in the future for music and some of the best works in music, especially electronic music have been made within the last decade or so in my personal opinion.

5/4

>>73412284
the joos argument falls apart when you take into consideration that many of the high class puppeteers right now are not exclusively jewish and that steve reich, a critic of "ugly jewish classical music" and a proponent for the restoration of beauty and harmony in classical music, happens to be a jew himself

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Is this Jonathan Bowden's ghost wtf?!

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didnt read

>>73409242
how does that contradict what he said in any way? what the fuck are you on about?

>>73412341
The joos argument doesn't fall apart just because there is self-hating Jews and Jewish dissenters to jews.

And my argument wasn't really concerned with jews anyway, only a small factor of my points. Just making sure I point out the tribe when required. But yes you're right, they only played a partial role in the decline of the Western consciousness, its apart of a wider phenomena.

>>73412311
Collective consciousness only brought me a severe disassociative disorder and depression, that shit doesn't help me at all.

Also Jews are not interested in destroying the West, given they're mostly located in Western countries and most are from Western countries. Leeching off it? Sure. But you can't leech blood off a dead body.

this thread has me thinking deeper than the vast majority of ones i normally see on /mu/. props to the long posts and careful thoughts.

>>73410083
I agree. Take for example the Simpsons. It used to be a show about a town of blue collar schlubs, Zombie Simpsons is just about the adventures of rich douchey yuppies who hang out with celebrities and dabble in SJW causes.

>>73412389
You'd be surprised what the jews have been capable of throughout history, but yes you're right in a few ways.

For example in France, which has the largest Jewish population in Western Europe. French Jews are some of the most vocal opponents to Islamic immigration even though they use to be the biggest advocates of immigration to France because of the anti-semitism of the Islamic community and their recent increased radicalisation.

Jews have the back-up plan of Israel should the west collapse so let's just say they're not as concerned about the West being destroyed than the indigenous people of Europe for example.

>>73412489
Israel is one tiny little strip of land dependent on the West to exist.

Bohos have always been opposed to the massification of popular culture, this goes back to the 19th century when intellectuals like Bauderlaire and Nietzsche had a seething contempt for the common man, later on you had H.L. Mencken bitching about the stupidity and non-culture of Americans.

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>>73412321
nazi autists FUCK OFF

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>>73410988
wouldn't say that's just an American problem but as you said everyone's American to a greater or lesser extent

>>73412511
I'll give you that but it doesn't mean that there isn't Jews that do not act in the best interest of their host nation. They are very tribalist people and think primarily for their in-group rather than naively having pathological altruism for hostile, racially conscious outgroups Something that white Europeans need to learn and perhaps will only learn once they are made a minority within their own nations.

You know the movie Wall Street? It was ridiculing douchey 80s yuppies. You wouldn't see that today.

>>73410998
Me too senpai :/

>>73412489
Jews are known for being master schemers but they are no Xanatos gambitmen. They are schemers but they are prone to mistakes and taking wrong turns more than often enough; take Jacob Schiff who wanted the Russian Empire to undergo a revolution just so that his jewish people could finally be treated as respectful human beings, his actions indirectly leading to the rise of the Soviet Union which under Stalin expressed some of the most antisemitic settlement (and would have been known mostly for it, had you-know-who not been around to steal this title at the time).

It's not black and white.

>>73412686
I didn't imply it was black or white tbqh, just that a lot of Jews are dual-citizens of Israel and are very tribalist people and some jews did some things

I tried to think of a single recent song about or from blue collared people and their struggle. I just couldn't, and that's sad as fuck.

ITT: /pol/tards escape their containment board

>>73412954

/pol/ is 4chan, everything else is containment

>>73412954
Where you been? It's not 2012 anymore, most of /pol/ isn't Stormfags and libertarians anymore, it reads like a cross between Breitbart and the foxnews.com comment sections.

>>73410083
>Rap, which used to be made by lower class black people and be about their problems is now top 40 pop music or marketed more towards the interests of once again, yuppie liberals.
Kanye is the consummate expression of this, he moved hip-hop from being about like in the hood to this artsy hipster fashion kind of thing.

>>73410083
>so people look to the past, and thats why nostalgia seems so prevalent, remakes, reboots, expanded universes, sampling, etc
That though is wrong, this isn't new at all and the 80s-90s (for instance) had as much of this as today.

>>73409185
I only miss 2000-2008 (not the music though, it fucking sucked) past then everything has become meaningless especially calendar dates. I hope it all ends soon, i'm tired.

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Rock-and-roll originally burst onto the scene in the 50s in an era of corporate pop schmaltz.

>>73410083
Working class music disappeared because the entertainment industry are all massive Obama nutriders and they reason that "It's impossible for there to be working class angst in Obama's America. The revolution has been completed. Everyone is happy and life is perfect." To have music acknowledging working class angst would be to tacitly admit the failure of his presidency.

It's like in the Soviet Union when people who complained about bad food, housing, and shortages of consumer goods were arrested and put in state mental institutions. "Surely these people must be insane, such things cannot exist in the worker's paradise."

>>73413198
Yeh but back in the early 80s when you had guys like Springsteen doing songs about the Rust Belt, they didn't really care about those people anyway, it was just an excuse to bitch about Ronald Reagan because they were all lefty Democrats.

>>73413217
Ok but you really can't make a 1v1 comparison for 1982's political landscape versus today. Back in those days the working class Kennedy Democrat was still a thing. Bruce Springsteen I believe legitimately expressed some kind of working class angst back then, of course after 1984 he just became an out of touch rich celebrity.

>>73413238
It's a real shame about Springsteen. He built his career singing about the working class struggle. My Hometown is about returning to a city where all the jobs have been exported over seas, the here and now Sprignsteen tells audiences he's embarrassed to be an American because of these types voting for Trump because he promised to bring their jobs back. I still love the guys music but I feel he's become completely torn away from his fanbase.

That just happens in cycles, when an artist has "made" it, he loses touch with the masses. It's like Gene Simmons and Lars Ulrich being butthurt about illegal music downloads since they've totally forgotten how when they were young and just starting out in the club scene that they relied a lot on bootleg tapes to spread the word around about their music.

>>73412284
here's an essay by adorno, mr jewish frankfurter, where he exalts the structure and beauty of romantic classical music, specifically beethoven's symphonies, while holding it in contradistinction to popular music that he meanwhile rips apart

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/SWA/On_popular_music_1.shtml

>muh jewish bogeyman

>>73413317
Back in the early days of the United States, there was the political struggle between the elitist, aristocratic Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans who favored more popular political participation. The New England-based Federalists like John Adams found almost appalling the lower class of American society, which found its consummate expression in the tavern halls where men of all different races, white, black, and Indian, drank, started fistfights, and sang obscene songs.

>>73409185
Yes, no stupid /pol/ crossposters.

the geetar music is too chill like nobody cares.
tired of the mopey return to the manic

>>73413461
>>>/420chan/

>>73413358
is this a canned bot response or how many levels are you on right now

Sure is /pol/ in here

Why not stay on your own board if you don't want to talk about music?

>>73413667
>I haven't read the convo because it's tl;dr but I'll call it /pol/ anyway because it mentions jews

>>73413679
Just fuck off

>>73413687
you first :^)

>>73412072
>>73412106
Christgau likes bohos who pretend to be working class, not working class people who pretend to be bohos.

>>73409185
I think 2016 and 20178 are great years.

>>73409185
2009 tbqh
the year of the dank wubs tbqh

>>73411862
>>73409185
RAT was cool but I really want more like Project 56

>>73413667
This is the most interesting conversation on /mu/ in many weeks and you hate it.

Music is inexorably linked to culture and politics.

Discussing these links doesn't make this /pol/.

Besides, the criticisms of capitalism here are far too leftwing for /pol/.

>>73415629
>the most interesting discussion on /mu/ is about music as much as porn is about the plot
kys

>>73413667
People who constantly whine about /pol/ are just as bad as /pol/ themselves.

>>73410083
Its the internet not capitalism.

Culture used to be concentrated to your race, class, nationality etc. mainly due to the physical limitations that have been torn down as the internet has meshed into all of culture.

The chance that I, a white Australian guy, could've ever got into rap back in the 80's are extremely low due since my exposure is limited to whatever meagre stock an Australian record store has, what I can hear on the radio, what I can get shipped over from the US and what I can afford. For the past decade however if I want to listen to not only rap from the US, but pretty much any record that has been recorded anywhere at any time I can torrent that shit at no cost and play it as much as I want at the press of a button.

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>>73412284
>>73412300
>>73412311
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>>73412329
I found a picture of you, Anon.

>>73409593
>I miss the "indie-hype machine"
me too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siFsdInZqC0
the album that kinds started the whole rustic-vest-wearing-comfy-kinda-country indie fad

>>73415688
I look at Christgau's reviews and consider that working in the 70s-80s, he had a much narrower POV than a music journalist of today would have simply because he was limited to major label releases and had little access to indie stuff outside his backyard in New York. The local stuff going on in Los Angeles or San Fran or Atlanta or even music coming out in Europe he didn't have access to.

>>73410083
>the end of history
oh boy, here we go

>>73415953
Kurt Cobain had amazingly patrish tastes for the pre-Internet age.

>>73415629
>Besides, the criticisms of capitalism here are far too leftwing for /pol/
Problem is, get rid of capitalism and the alternative (gulags, bread lines, arbitrary arrests and purges, total conformity of the arts and media, etc) isn't pretty.

>lazy saturday
>stick on a bit of alterniabound w/ a vriska shirt and wouldn't give a shit
>ipads were a new thing at the time
>getting out of the recession
>davey c as PM. farage was non existant
>a bunch of other stuff happened

>>73416021
Why do people still believe in this retarded meme?

>>73416021
>gulags, bread lines, arbitrary arrests and purges, total conformity of the arts and media
That's just the Russian model though. If you haven't noticed they have the same thing with Capitalism right now, too.

See China and Nordic countries for examples of socialism that's not just the things you've listed.

>>73416109
>See China and Nordic countries for examples of socialism that's not just the things you've listed.

>China
>doesn't have labor camps, political arrests, and strict control of the arts and media
...

>>73410083
Hi Paul, I'm still waiting for a response vid after you got BTFO by melon

>>73416189
literally who

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>>73416200
MAINSTREME METEOR

STOP LISTENING TO POP MUSIC AND LISTEN TO HOPSIN

>>73409185
just 2010 and 2011 exclusively; best time of my life

>>73416263
2011 honestly wasn't all that great.

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>>73416109
>See China

>>73416101
well my country was "blessed" with socialism for half a century and we had all of those things.

>>73416257
that doesn't answer my question

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random access memories came out 4 years ago

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>>73416312
And I still haven't bothered to listen to it.

>>73409298
I was seriously disappointed when it didn't. Not even joking I was ready for it

>>73409928
Fishmans are the shit

>>73410083
Good post, it doesn't really belong on /mu/ddit though.

>>73410622
This. I've always been socialist but lately I've found myself endless and coldly chasing the money like it's my only purpose. Capitalism is addicting

>>73416457
that's pretty dumb

I don't see how it's related to the other guy's post outside of having a shared subject matter

>>73416457
>the reason society and culture is garbage is because le """cultural marxists""" have worked to ruin our society for the past decades because they are evil
>redpill

yeah no

>>73416557
Capitalism is very good at neutering and massifying the edgy, left-wing stuff that bohemia invents. The 1960s being the quintessential example of that--the hippies started out as a small group of bohos and eventually the masses took over the fashions, drugs, degenerate sex, and music but had no interest in the political side of it, they just wanted to have a good time.

>>73410083
Say not, “Why were the former days better than these?” For it is not from wisdom that you ask this.

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>>73409201
>I miss all of the 2000s

>>73416640
Rock-and-roll as it started in the 50s was far from Bohemian, it was a quintessentially working class music and most of the 50s rock-and-rollers were pretty conservative guys who loved America. Bohos in those days all listened to jazz.

See, what happened is that the next generation of bohos who came up in the 60s were children of the 50s and they of course loved Chuck Berry and Elvis, I'd say the merger of rock and boho started with Bob Dylan and expanded from there.

The 50s rock-and-rollers like Chuck Berry didn't understand hippiedom at all, Elvis thought the Beatles were ruining America. Half these guys went into country and gospel after the 50s ended.

>>73416640
Bohemia is a historical country in what is now the Czech Republic.

>>73416773
Yeh but nobody took rock seriously as an art form until the bohemian crowd got ahold of it, in the 50s it was just silly noise for teenagers to dance to.

I believe we're living in the Age pf Outrage. Everyone, by societal standards, needs to have an opinion on everything and take sides and squabbles. Everyone wants to be pissed at someone else, and with the internet it's bloody easy for that to happen as you can use a journalism interested with getting clicks to support your position. Integrity's gone out of the window, people just wamna get angry, and it happens in minutes nowadays - within an hour it's a massively global thing.

I honestly don't know where we're headed. Everyone desperately seems to want to grab and hold something tangible they can claim as their own, and take sides against someone else.

This truly is our apocalypse.

>>73416829
No, they didn't. However as I said, capitalism very quickly figured out to turn rock music into a vast moneymaking machine that never let up until pretty much the late 2000s when rock started to fade from the charts.

>>73416829
That's why I love Christgau. It's hilarious to see him argue with himself, he can never quite make up his mind whether rock should be mindless dance grooves like in the 50s or if it should have serious messages in it.

>>73416901
He thinks rock should have fast dance grooves that contain a message he agrees with.