/classical/ symphony edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7J95x-XPQ4

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Severely underplayed, and therefor underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrHLcmmRJI

No. 4 is also great and just as underrated.

>tfw you know you're never going to experience Wilhelm Furtwängler's live performance of ode to joy.
>Why even live
It hurts me so much that any versions i've found in the mega's or by googling always have that terrible
static with some coughs here and there and a general poor quality of the symphony itself...
Is anyone holding onto some golden recording or anything?
Can we do anything to improve it without making anything in it worse?

>>73318363
They're live recordings from a time when recording technology wasn't the best. I'm personally not too bothered by those limitations anymore, though -- many dated performances are worth the drop in audio quality.

You can try his 1954 recording on Audite. iirc they edited out a lot of the coughs and stuff.

>>73318798
Is it hidden/added in any of the mega folders?
Know where i can find a flac of it?

>>73318816
It's on pippo's blog. Just google it.

Scriabin's 3rd is so underrated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNKEOgdof6A

>>73318821
>uploaded.net
>estimated 2 hours
>part1
oh boy, here we go

>>73318913
I'd just put it through jDownloader and check back in a few hours.

>we've been told to guard this gold
>the only person who would want to steal it is someone who swears off love
>let's torment this random guy into literally swearing off love
What did they think was going to happen? How can one enjoy an opera if its plot makes absolutely no sense?

Favourite Symphonies: Beethoven's Third, Webern's Op. 21
Underrated Symphony: Schnittke's First, Beethoven's Eighth

>>73319564
>Schnittke's First
Agree. Excellent hybrid of many styles and yet completely unique.

>>73318821
great requires password and password is nowhere to be found

>>73319714
nevermind it was hidden in a corner

>>73318798
Just listened to it.
Nowhere close to the one in the megas...
I guess i just gotta wait until they clone him so he can perform it again

>>73317969
Favorite:
Bach 2
Tchaikovsky 7
Mahler 12

Underrated:
Sibelius 8
Brahms 9
Bartók 5

>>73318350
Do you like Martinu because he was a sperg?

>>73318924
The Rhine-Staceys didn't understand, they thought that Albetarich would want to fuck them no matter what they did, so they continued to torment him until he realised that he could earn lots of money and then buy himself whores and destroy everything.

>>73320020
fag

>>73320075
I like Martinů for his lush orchestration, bouncing dotted rhythms, wonderful melodies that ignore bar-lines and his mercurial changes. Moravian cadences are also nice.

I highly doubt you found research showing Martinů to have Asberger's, but feel free to continue to meme

does anyone like Chausson or is it just me

>>73320174
>Asberger

I feel like people might discredit Persichetti's 6th because concert band is a meme but I think it's really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjocQ4SQuVQ

Underrated: Mahler 7

Mahler decided to go and put a huge bombastic finale at the end of an hour of "night" music full of quartal and quintal harmonies, chamber-like orchestration. The 7th could have been the "dark" equivalent of the 4th had he gone for a four movement structure and made the closing bars of the Nachtmusik II more conclusive, but instead he just decided to troll the audience with a loud af 5th movement and it's fucking hilarious.

>>73320174
>In 2009, F. James Rybka MD, who had known Martinu, launched a retrospective study of the composer's unusual personality, based upon interviews of persons who knew him, as well as a study of many letters he had written to his family and friends. Evidence of his having an autistic spectrum disorder was compiled and evaluated, using the established criteria found in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disease (DSM-IV). This evidence was reviewed by a well-known autism neuroscientist who concurred that the composer had good evidence of having had an autistic spectrum disorder, most likely Asperger syndrome.

>>73320422
Why though?

>>73320535
Interesting. Rybka did know Martinu, but he wasn't a psychiatrist, he was a plastic surgeon.
Still, it is possible that Martinu had Asberger's - the case could be made for many composers and artists who were shy, poor at communicating and somewhat in their own world.
That said, it isn't exactly normal to fall off a balcony in a "music daze" and almost die. He was certainly an unusual character and like many composers autisically obsessed with music above most else.

Rybka's book sounds pretty interesting, I might read it after I finish the 4 books I'm currently reading.

>>73320096
Ring cycle reimagined with SJWs when

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r76xMtqceBU

>>73320096
Alberich is the kid who got bullied in High School by the cheerleaders and grew up to become a CEO

>>73318350
holy shit that was better than i expected

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Are Haydn's symphonies the most boring pieces of music ever written?
I mean, the London ones were as famous in the UK as Italian Opera was in Italy in the 19th century. People went insane after this music, both the general public and musicians/composers, and here I am, yawning like a motherfucked 4 minutes in.

>>73318350
Where can I get this cd from

>>73323057
Have you heard Purcell's operas? undeniably the most boring pieces of music

>>73323057
yeah thats why he added fart jokes in to liven it up

also 45 is his best

>>73323057
I love Haydn's symphonies. I'm going through them one by one, it's been my project for a few months or so. Currently at number 54. I think out of those 54 there was one or two movements that I wasn't particularly impressed by, it was maybe 5 symphonies back or something, don't remember the number. Which one are you listening to?

Why is it that symphonies always have fast and complex violin parts, but they just cover them up with everything else?

One interesting symphony is La Buranella by Niccolo Castiglioni, composed in 1990. I think I downloaded it from youtube but they seem to have removed the video.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYVyccDJ5A0

I'm new to /classical/. Up to now, the pieces I've enjoyed (or listened to) most have been all 9 of Beethoven's symphonies, Bach's Mass in B Minor, The Rite of Spring, a CD I've got collecting 'medieval' music from Byzantium to Andalusia and some Varese. Can I get some pointers? I've been digging through the mega links, and I'm most thrilled by the download in the first mega link for Mozart's Piano Quartets. No. 1, in particular.

>>73326128

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rF98HSKNc

No Bruckner yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8RsPt2sV-k

>>73326897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVoNyv5bfac

>>73324510
What? How can anyone think this.....?

I like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCicM6i59_I

This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTVraVgzC9U

and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Stu7h7Qup8

Where to next? And yes I know there are resources in the OP but there are too many and I don't know about them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psUmxWZUP0c
i can't tell if per norgard is a great composer or a meh composer who got lucky by thinking of the infinity series
anyway, this piece, iris, and symphony no 3 are all masterpieces

>>73328996

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUfj3aJonrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjArXfzCxKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr8J6x2uMZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCkItsILyRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1WSJWpVvig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FPsDV7_Y6o

golden spinning wheel is sweet af
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXsdubp5kFs

Petzold

One of my favorites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrNoe7HEbd8

>>73329024
Infinity Series?

petzold again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPYjqz7nToY

>>73323159
I found it at a local library. Doesn't seem to be on rutracker.

I uploaded the symphony part here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/l3pkwd1f428kzw5/Symphony_No_1.rar
Can't find the double concerto, sorry.

So i want to learn classical composition, and i stumbled onto this course:
https://es.coursera.org/learn/classical-composition

Seems to be pretty well regarded. but everytime the fucko says tis and that chord he never plays it, he just fucking talks, no sounds other than his monotone voice.

Am i an impaired primate, or is this course not that good?

Roussel is underrated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syz1KiWRZ-8

Probably the best symphony of the 21th century

whats the SLOWEST piece of classical? i like slow shit, i dont like gymnastics, i want DENSE shit pouring into my ears.

>>73333138
glass will never be anything but a meme.

however the mishima quartet is a thing of beauty.

>>73333143
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_as_Possible

>>73333143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoINrtIWpTA

>>73333164
They say if you look hard enough into Glass' 6th symphony, you'll find out really did 911

>>73333172
>John Cage
therefore a literal piece of shit not worth being ever revised.

>>73333180
amazing. any reason for playing it that slow?

>>73333280
just cobra being based

>>73333284
>Now on the adagio. It's now transcended how awful and slow it is. It feels luxurious, bright and wonderful, like an orgasm stretched out for an hour. Absolutely certain Maximianno Cobra is a fantastic lover and master of tantric sex secrets. Anyone who can take this much time with something so sensual would have to be. I can feel every atom in my body, very slowly vibrating along. Every change in harmony changes the colors I see in my head. My longing for each next note is doing something very transformative to my entire reality.

>>73333398
wow, good for you i suppose.

>>73333143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd-Kyk0d3fE

where would I find modern classical that's accessible and melodic like mozart?

>>73333585
No modern composer can be compared to (((Mozard)))

>>73333630
that's not what I mean

>>73333643
Explain yourself

>>73333671
I'm definitely not experienced, but I have yet to hear some modern classical from the last 20ish years that is both conventionally melodic and good

>>73333709
unironically, and im not a gamer and not even a weeb, guys that write jap shit soundtracks for games. i dont think i see any other "classical" with that much emphasis on melody nowadays. everyone is focused on texture.

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coming through

>>73334016
>terrible sound
>outdated performances
keep it

>>73334016
When do they give you the conducting jumper?

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Reminder that Chopincucks are to be shot on sight.

>>73334321
i don't think anyone listens to chopin anymore after that thread

>>73334321
poly got rekt as usual

>>73334339
As the way it is meant to be.

>>73334356
>poly
>Chopin

>>73334527
poly is secretly the biggest chopincuck didn't you know?

Is it still the official theme for /classical/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0RrT6hMOgI

>>73333585
Arvo Part, Rautavaara, John Adams for starters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzSlmWQuHFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPYGRfzfBew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlUHKHLk_VU

>>73334321
Pretty sure I made that "good work classical" post. I sometimes use that guys art as reaction images. That was a hilarious thread.

>>73334763
I still fucking hate you poly you nigger.

>>73334321
I dont get it, chopin writes one terrible fugue and this dismisses the entirety of his work?

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>>73334936
>he thinks it doesn't

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>>73334936
>I dont get it, chopin writes one terrible fugue and this dismisses the entirety of his work?

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>>73335031
>hates Chopin
>posts 2hu slut

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>>73334936

>>73334984
>>73335031
>>73335063
oh ok its just a meme haha ill join in next time

What are some songs like gymnopedie no.1

I already heard:
Maid with the flaxen hair
Je te veux
Clair de lune
And that nocturne song but i still dont find them as comfy as gymnopedie no.1

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>>73335366
Search up any garbage muzak on youtube.
>comfy
Fucking kill yourself.

>>73335447
I get extremely relaxed when i hear gymnopedie no.1 i just want something like it.

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>>73335267
>its just a meme

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>>73335267
>its just a meme

>>73335468
fuck off

>>73335468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muzHkMCd31s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqXwzUW_fhM

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>>73335267
>oh ok
>haha ill join in next time

>>73335694
Thanks my man

>>73318350
>>73323159
>>73332695

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHXxxE2WCoo&list=PLusayTAVSHU-Uea0xy5pNmwGf9UUrPIjo

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>>73334936
>I dont get it, chopin writes one terrible fugue and this dismisses the entirety of his work?

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Thoughts?

>>73337940
great pianist

>>73337940
Shit composer

>>73335771
What do you think about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0iB60mj5CY

>>73337940
I had his symphony no. 1 on my mp3 player. Great.

Can anybody recommend some technical, busy piano recordings like that of Glenn Gould doing Bach's Goldberg Variations?

>>73339054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeFNiKF2QBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEkRcuH-TC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZGPak1GQcA

>>73339087
ty friend

>>73339016
Background music, like the title says.

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CELLO HEAVY INSTRUMENT

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>>73334321
lol thats like 10 posts saying the exact same thing lmao xD
Thanks for the screencap kind stranger!! posting this on reddit will be easier now :DD

>>73333017

People who study composition have usually studied theory first, which also includes ear training. Technically, as a composer, you're expected to know how a chord sounds just by reading it.

If you expect these things to be taught in a composition course you're dead wrong, you'll have more luck downlading a music theory I and II course book and do a fuckload of ear training. You can do it by yourself, but having a teacher on your side will help you every mistake you'll inevitably develop right on time (otherwise you'll spend a good chunk of your time correcting what you thought was right in your practice).

Also: ear training, music theory and later on harmony/counterpoint/melody are all pieces of shit. If you're willing to take this step, just know in advance that it will be one of the most boring and frustrating experiences of your life.
Yet at the end of it you'll be able to listen to a piece, transcribe it immediatly, take a theme from it and compose a symphony over it. If creating music is what you love, that effort is worth it.

Why is simpler music harder to digest? I can listen to Beethoven's late sonatas all day long, but I can barely tolerate his early ones, which are usually very simple in their final realization.

For the same reason I can barely tolerate Chopin, even if I've got the attention span needed to sing individual parts in Bach's cantatas and fugues all day long, which gives me immense pleasure.

Anyone here has the same problem?

I need more pieces like Holst's Neptune! Help!

https://youtu.be/v4wuV14QlNM

>>73332695
>>73335882
Thanks

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>>73339725
The pain, it is good.

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This is an objective ranking of the best symphonies of the last century. You're welcome.

1. Symphony No. 9 in D Major - Gustav Mahler (1910)
2. Symphony No. 15 in A Major - Dmitri Shostakovich (1971)
3. Symphony No. 5 - Gustav Mahler (1902)
4. Symphony No. 4 - Charles Ives (1924)
5. Turangalila Symphony - Olivier Messiaen (1948)
6. Symphony No. 5 in B-flat - Sergei Prokofiev (1944)
7. Symphony of Pslams - Igor Stravinsky (1930)
8. Symphony No. 8 - Alfred Schnittke (1994)
9. Symphony No. 7 in C Major "Leningrad" - Dmitri Shostakovich (1940)
10. Symphony No. 10 in E Minor - Dmitri Shostakovich (circa 1951-1953)
11. Symphony No. 1 - Alfred Schnittke (1974)
12. Symphony: Mathis der Maler - Paul Hindemith (1934)
13. Symphony of Three Orchestras - Elliot Carter (1976)
14. Symphony No. 8 in C minor "Stalingrad" - Dmitri Shostakovich (1943)
15. Symphony No. 3 - Witold Lutoslawski (1983)
16. Sinfonia da Requiem - Benjamin Britten (1940)
17. Symphony No. 1 in F minor - Dmitri Shostakovich (1925)
18. Symphony No. 8 in E flat major "Symphony Of A Thousand" - Gustav Mahler (1906)
19. Symphony No. 6 in A minor "Tragic" - Gustav Mahler (1904; 1906)
20. Symphony No. 2 "The Age of Anxiety" - Leonard Bernstein (1949)
21. Symphony No. 3 "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs" - Henryk Gorecki (1976)
22. Ostrobothnian Symphony - Osvaldas Balakauskas (1989)
23. Symphony No. 3 - Sergei Prokofiev (1928)
24. Symphony No. 3 "The Camp Meeting" - Charles Ives (1910)
25. Symphony No. 7 in E minor "Song of the Night" - Gustav Mahler (1905)

Favorite composer outside of Bach/Mozart/Beethoven?

I'm having trouble deciding between Monteverdi and Handel.

>>73343899
>I'm having trouble deciding between Monteverdi and Handel.

...why? Monteverdi is obviously better.

>>73343899

Debussy

>>73339725
damn, what an edgy bastard

>>73343720
>using unofficial titles for mahler symphonies
>shosty 7
>gorecki
>bernstein

What a garbage list this is.

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where do i start with wagner?

>>73343914
Correct.

>>73344056
i think that's scaruffi's list

>>73344306

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjIX9mwcyPE

>>73345115
was he autistic?

>>73343899
Gesualdo

which Bruckner symphony is best

>>73338290
Any particular reason why?

wtf is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEP09hqVveI

>>73345350
Of course he was.

>>73345350

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqtJvnth3YI

yes

>>73346654
Looks like Sciarrino's 4th piano sonata. Very much in the style of Ustvolskaya. Haven't heard this Pizzo, tend to like Hodges in Sciarrino.

>got in an online music 101 class
>have to introduce myself and post my favorite music
>everyone else posts pop, anime, or other pleb music
What should i do to make a difference?

>>73346895
>>73346895
Reminds me of Feldman chromatic field

>>73343899
vivaldi. am i pleb

>>73347469
xenakis metastasis

Right now I've been listening to Mozart's Jupiter Symphony. I'm particularly drawn to the fourth movement.

>>73347469
I'd just stay casual in my message and try to not look like the kind of pretentious faggot people like us generally appear to be

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>>73348141
Depends on what Vivaldi.
Favorite opus? Favorite RV?

>>73349377
I can play all of Op. 2 (the violin part)

>>73349650
I don't think that's what I asked anon.

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now that the dust has settled, what are his best works?

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_PJ0pV3O2E

>>73339016
Meh i really dont like piano only pieces

>>73343899
schubert or bruckner, but im new to classical

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>tfw you like Ravel more but Debussy is undeniably more important and groundbreaking

Feels bad for my man Maurice

The 5-6 min. mark of Jupiter from the planets always pulls at my heart

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx8z4UhEkWE
>not listening only to music for which flashy graphic scores are available on youtube

sibelius

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What's up with Ravel's re-orchestrations? They are always completely different from the piano versions.
For example I'm listening the Valse nobles et sentimentales now. In the orchestrated version the first chords go from being nevrotic and crooked (in the piano version) to a militar-esque very short march. Also given the orchestration all the dissonances disappear, ending up sounding far more polished than its piano counterpart. The first chords in the second valse are eery and mysterious in the piano version, but once Ravel re-orchestrates them those dissonances become extremely pleasant, losing this way their suspended-like properties.
And what about the Pavane for the Dead Princess? In the piano version the first bars sound like a funeral march, in the re-orchestrated version, due to the fact that the basses are now plucked on the strings, it sounds like a Bach's aria.
What am I supposed to think here? Are the piano versions just ''incomplete'' versions? Was Ravel treating his re-orchestrated scores as completely different pieces o music?

>>73352017
>There are many composers who are very popular whose music is, for me, somewhere on the spectrum from boring to profoundly unpleasant. The list of "I'll probably never do a video of ..." composers includes (but is not limited to) these well-known composers: Albinoni, Bellini, Berlioz, Boccherini, Borodin, Bruch, Bruckner, Corelli, Dvorak, Delius, Elgar, Glazunov, Honegger, Mahler, Martinu, Massenet, Messiaen, Mussorgsky, Puccini, Rachmaninoff (though I have done a video of an arrangement he did of a piece by Bach), Rossini, Sibelius, Verdi, Tchaikovsky, and Wagner.

This guy is a turbo pleb and only braindead autists enjoy the format of his "animations". His selection is way too safe and boring because he considers stuff as easy as Debussy's Images for example to be "too difficult" for him to grasp so he refuses to make videos on it. His taste in recordings is also pretty fucking awful although that may just be a byproduct of trying to avoid copyright strikes.

Having just the score synced to the performance is 1000x better than this garbage. The only people that watch these kinds of videos are idiots with very limited musical knowledge.

>>73353488
I think the main reason he avoids those composers is many have complex orchestration and polyphony, which would be harder to represent in his colored dot thing. He's lazy and has shit taste.

>>73353300
>Was Ravel treating his re-orchestrated scores as completely different pieces o music?
they are mutations, basically

>>73353488
>There are many composers who are very popular whose music is, for me, somewhere on the spectrum from boring to profoundly unpleasant

Nothing wrong with this. Regardless, in that list only 2 or 3 composers may be controversial.

>This guy is a turbo pleb and only braindead autists enjoy the format of his "animations".
Nice strawmanning.

>The only people that watch these kinds of videos are idiots with very limited musical knowledge.
I've got perfect pitch and can easily transcribe mentally music when I'm listening to it. You're wrong again.

>>73353825
t. Smalin

>>73350855
1st & 7th Symphony, Flos Campi, Dona nobis pacem, The Pilgrim's Progress, Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis, [spoiler]The Lark Ascending[/spoiler]

>>73350855
Sinfonia antarctica, London symphony

Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNmT7UswM7E

>>73349377
RV 522, RV 589, the 4 seasons, but i like everything from him

>>73328996
Try Steve Reich and Avo Part.

>>73335366
Any of the Goldberg Variations.

>>73343899
Offenbach

i love beethoven's 7th sonata but find it hard to get into other classical uh..things. any recommendations for a newbie?

>>73355463
the beethoven symphonies or if you prefer more classical, the mozart final symphonies

>>73353825
you also appear to have crippling autism so i'd say anon was right on the money the whole time

>>73356915
sounds like you're mad cause your stereotypes are not working.

>new headphones still hasn't been delivered

>>73355463
random choice but ok
you might like his 29th sonata (hammerklavier)

what keyboard should i buy
also is this good advice http://www.synthesiagame.com/keyboards/info

>>73359897
Rent a upright piano, you fool.
You may get away with 3-400$/year.

>>73360189
but what if i want to use it at 2am when i can't sleep

>>73351065
Actually ravel made the impressionist glittery sound with Jeux d'eau but in terms of harmony and chord function modern music owes more to Debussy

Haydn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTRexu5CIL8

>>73360308
Move to somewhere you can play at 2am.

>>73360308
There are pianos in which you can plug headphones on. Also if you live in a house with thick walls you can put isolators under the piano's leg (to nullify it's vibrations) and use the middle pedal. Your phone will be louder than the sounds that your piano will emit.

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>>73317969
>MFW the French are fucking dipshits who nearly got Messiaen killed before he completed his most important works. Germans were bro tier however

>>73360566
>symphony thread
>post an organ mass
dude wtf

how to decide between piano teachers in my city, there are quite a few of them

>>73363214
choose the most fuckable

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>>73343720
>last century
>1905
>1906
>1910

What did he mean by this?

Arriaga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBmN4jA8Fug

>>73363438
>A century (from the Latin centum, meaning one hundred; abbreviated c.) is a period of 100 years. Centuries are numbered ordinally in English and many other languages. For example, "the 17th century" refers to the years from 1601 to 1700.

Dvorak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJQYlt-m8Zo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKXMuEQAA8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3YljmSwcdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOawJ8SqrQ

wtf i love scherchen now

>>73350855
Symphony no. 6, Also the Tuba concerto is pretty dope.

>>73364336
>now

trying to learn this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smqj_z04i4A
chopin is based btw

>>73365304
Get him!

>>73317969

Satie/Chopin overlap

Mazurka opus 68 no 2, chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuVt4cyc42Y

Thoughts on this channel?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeZLO2VgbZHeDcongKzzfOw/videos

Very nice analyzations of video game music

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>>73366011
>video games

>>73366437
it's the only contemporary music that has actual social impact, so I think it's interesting to see the first attempts to put it into a theoretic frame

>Handel - from the movie Farinelli song "Lascia Ch'io Pianga" (Act II of Handel's opera, "Rinaldo")
Ok /classical/ this voice is not real. Rather it is a countertenor and a soprano digitally mixed together to approximate the pitch/tone of a castrato a la Farinelli. Not real, yet I still love this. How come in all of the other recordings of this the singer never hits the high note?? Is it included in the original score? If you listen to Jaroussky or any of the countless sopranos, countertenors, and mezzosopranos, they don't end it all crazy like that. Which is the best part. Wtf. Why don't they do it? Is it because they are unable to hit the notes there so they keep it mellow like the other parts, or is the Jaroussky et al. sing it actually the proper way?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuSiuMuBLhM

>>73366643
or is the way Jaroussky**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE6svZ6dTPI

don't mind me friends just chopinposting over here tehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgU5BxdYHXE

>>73366495
>we live in the age of shit so this slightly less shitty thing actually isn't shit if you squint your eyes hard enough

>>73367122
"Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness." - Blaise Pascal

What is a recordings that I can hear a lot of Maria Callas performing? A lot of recordings of Maria Callas, she's a cast member as part of a larger opera. She unfortunately is not in any solo material as far as I can tell, but I was extremely moved by her voice when I saw a clip of her singing solo on youtube. She was stunningly gorgeous as well.

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>>73355193
Yeah you're a pleb lmao.
Protip: listen to op.3, op.4, op.7, op.9, late violin concertos and bassoon concertos.

Umm, all Vivaldi sounds the same lol

someone post mozart quick

>>73367698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm994ZXMbJ8

>>73367698
https://youtu.be/baCCIzEQX5U

>>73367725
(underrated)

beef-oven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ljq4MwzAbo

>>73367302
>u mad

>>>/reddit/

>>73367815
wut

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I never watch operas or read the words. I only like to listen to the music of them. This includes Wagner, Handel, and Mozart. Am I missing out on a lot and am I a complete pleb-tard? I get nauseous watching them out of boredom and them feeling very alien to me.

>>73337940
Great pianist, okay-ish composer, except for his sacred music with is phenomenal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzeifvBH_cs

What are some versions of recordings that are so good that you feel that listening to any other version would ruin it for you? For me it would be Klemperer's Das Lied Von Der Erde, Argerich's ravel and prokofiev piano quartets, and kleiber's brahms symphony 4.

>>73368454
Carmingola's Bach violin concertos

>>73368483
Got a download of this? It's not on pippo9, rutracker, soulseek, or apollo.

>>73368645
Only on YouTube I think. Use a converter lmao

>>73368454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDkhi9dt0TU

>>73368454
>kleiber's brahms symphony 4

furtwangler did it better, under allied bombing

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>>73368454
only because theres not enough recordings

>>73366495
No. Contemporary classical music exists and has 'social impact' among the classical world.

If your idea of social impact is background music from video games, you should go outside more often.

>>73367698

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP7o3Q1lfII

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>>73369305
>Contemporary classical music exists and has 'social impact' among the classical world.

>>73369480
Confirmed not part of the classical world

>>73369305
'background' music should strive to be a meaningful component of multimedial art

rach man in off

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>>73370462
moar lykk bach man in off amirite
o-or punkrock man in off
heheheheheheheheheheheeheheheh

>>73366011
The music still sounds like uninspired, generic garbage. Analyzing it doesn't reveal anything that makes it sound better than it does at face value and his analysis is -incredibly- simplistic anyways.

>>73369305
This. Contemporary art music is exactly where it ought to be and reaches exactly who it should. I don't care if it doesn't penetrate into the "mainstream" media, it isn't intended to.

>>73360337
>Actually ravel made the impressionist glittery sound with Jeux d'eau
Thanks Liszt for that, he was a major inspiration for Ravel.
>but in terms of harmony and chord function modern music owes more to Debussy
I'd say that his sonic approach to music is his most important contribution: in his late years he was compositionally as free as Webern was in his maturity. His stylistic nuances are certainly interesting, but they're not really the point when it comes to Debussy's contributions.

is brahms a meme or is he actually good

>>73371514
He's a musician's composer. Don't bother if you can't read a score

>>73343899
telemann

>>73343720
>1. Symphony No. 9 in D Major - Gustav Mahler (1910)
no one could manage to argue this is wrong though

>>73317969
teen Mahler looked black, young Mahler looked jewish and mature Mahler looked germanic
how did he do this

>>73371662
But the 5th is the best Mahler symphony

>>73371683
Getting cucked automatically turns you into a German

>>73366643
Probably a few reasons. That's a B5 which is higher than most countertenors sing and is more into sopranist territory. It's also perhaps a question of taste, since performers will improvise their own ornamentation and may decide that it doesn't suit the feeling of the piece.

>>73367404
I'm sure there are plenty of "The best of Maria Callas" albums out there with her singing a collection of arias.

>>73368076
If you'd stopped before the fifth sentence it would have been fine, but "boredom" isn't really an accepted excuse.
Anyway, for the most part the music is the most important part of an opera and the libretto (the words) plays something of second fiddle. However there are lots of great libretti out there and it's interesting to see how they interact with the music. Just listening to the Ring Cycle takes away from the experience, and depriving yourself of the experience of Mozart+Da Ponte (although it is somewhat lessened in translation) isn't ideal.

Why do I find Stravinsky so dreadfully dull and uninspiring? I've tried really hard to like him, but his works seem chaotic, fragmented and lacking in anything resembling purpose, yet he seems to be the shit according to everyone and their dog. What am I missing?

>>73372462
>What am I missing?
Indoctrination.

>>73372462

Because he is dreadfully dull and uninspiring.

Modern classical fags have yet to understand why modern classical has so utterly failed to integrate with society when previously hundreds of years of extremely varied classical usually were accepted by mass audiences typically within a century.

Of course like elitists they sneer at the masses and try to pretend that it's somehow better that the overwhelming majority of the human population rejects their artificial cacophony. And with that kind of narrow-minded pride comes a lot of rationalizing and blowing smoke up their asses. You'll find vast reams and volumes of theory books proclaiming the mathematical perfection of their ear sore excrement.

Meanwhile not one of them will ever compose something as universally simple as Twinkle, Twinkle.

>>73372601
>Stravinsky
>modern

>>73371536
wrong

>>73372462
What Stravinsky are you listening to? Meme Stravinsky like The Rite is pretty bad. The Violin Concerto is badass, however.

>>73372601
No, modern classical fans understand full well that the genre is now mostly a fossilized corpse. They know that a large proportion of the audience wish it kept that way as a nostalgic necrophiliacs daydream of 'real music' with even the performers ignored in favor of the embalmed corpse of yesteryear's remastered maestro being the only acceptable interpretation.

They know they will be sneered at by the elitists of classical if they ever dare to compose and their efforts rejected. They can only shake their heads in disbelief as those sneering elitists claim that the mass of population actually like the rotten corpse of Mozart, apparently ignorant of just how niche the classical world is.

Meanwhile if they compose something simple they will be scoffed at, if they compose something complex they will be scorned and if they compose something popular they will be disdained.

>>73372980
>No, modern classical fans understand full well that the genre is now mostly a fossilized corpse.
So much this. I used to be a Scruton-esque critic of contemporary music, and studying the history of the Western canon completely changed my mind. People who ask for the next Beethoven really don't know how impossibly boring Beethoven-wannabes were. There is nothing more vile and soulless than the European academia of the late 18th-early 19th century, people simply do not know what they're asking for.

>>73372462
Sounds like you haven't listened to le Sacre yet.

>>73372980
There's a lot of decent-to-good incidental music being made, though, and it has been that way for a while. OSTs for various purposes have been the closest to decent orchestral/instrumental music in the past decade and a half we've gotten. Heck, even composers like Bernstein are mostly known for their music for movies.

>why won't composers spoonfeed me pretty tunes anymore

>>73373424
>muh hard work ideology

>>73372980
>modern classical fans understand full well that the genre is now mostly a fossilized corpse
Sounds like you've never met a modern classical fan.

>>73373230
>OSTs for various purposes have been the closest to decent orchestral/instrumental music in the past decade and a half we've gotten
Not even close. Contemporary classical music exists, and it blows OSTs out of the water. How ignorant do you have to be to think that soundtracks are the only "classical" being written? google contemporary composers and do us all a favor and learn something.

>>73369117
Where is this WWII furtwangler recording? I adore furtwangler and I want to hear this.

>>73373505
>Sounds like you've never met a modern classical fan.
Can't be a classical fan if you don't fit someone's weird stereotype?

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>>73373230
>OSTs for various purposes have been the closest to decent orchestral/instrumental music in the past decade and a half

>>73374107
Believing the genre is a 'fossilized corpse' IS a weird stereotype.
Sounds more like the posters own beliefs, ignorantly and incorrectly applied to all classical fans.

>>73369019
Is this another one of those recordings that's only available on youtube?

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Credo in unum Deum, Patrem omnipotentem, factorem caeli et terrae, visibilium omnium, et invisibilium. Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum. Et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula. Deum de Deo, Lumen de lumine, Deum verum de Deo vero. Genitum, non factum, consubstantialem Patri: per quem omnia facta sunt. Qui propter nos homines, et propter nostram salutem descendit de caelis. Et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria Virgine: Et homo factus est. Crucifixus etiam pro nobis: sub Pontio Pilato passus, et sepultus est. Et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas. Et ascendit in caelum: sedet ad dexteram Patris. Et iterum venturus est cum gloria, judicare vivos et mortuos: cuius regni non erit finis. Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum, et vivificantem: qui ex Patre Filioque procedit. Qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur, et conglorificatur: qui locutus est per Prophetas. Et unam sanctam catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam. Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum. Et vitam venturi saeculi. Amen.

>>73341596

Repeating my request as I've been searching with little success. What I really am asking for is chill impressionist-style orchestral pieces with more mystery and less melody, and no bombastic crescendos. Whole-tone, exotic or generally chromatic scales are a big +

So far these works have been to taste:
Debussy's La Mer, Nocturnes 1&3, prelude a l-apres midi un faune
Sibelius' symphony no.5, the Bard
Rachmaninov's Isle of the dead
Takemitsu's A flock descends...
Britten's sea interludes
Prokofiev's symphony no.5, 3
Bax' November Woods
Vaughan William's Sea Symphony, Sinfonia Antarctica
Ligeti's Cello concerto, melodien
Schoenberg's klangfarben, verklärte nacht
Feldman's Crippled symmetry

>>73374879
Maybe:

Koechlin - Les Heures persanes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55FQqIWZRgM
Kancheli - Mourned by the Wind - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwqv7H1HZng
Delius - Florida Suite (well most of his works) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6CrzLXUHx4
Busoni - Piano concerto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohPzurDZzZ4
Zemlinsky - Lyrische Symphonie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWjWI7IdC5E
Yoshimatsu - Threnody to Toki https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1THvmUseQ1M
Tippett - Byzantium
Panufnik - Arbor Cosmica
Symanowski, symphonies

>>73368454
>>73369019
This is a phenomenal set from a phenomenal pianist but for me the greatest recording of the Chopin preludes without a doubt belongs to Ivan Moravec. It is one of the most imaginative and colorful performances I've heard of anything, not just the Op. 28. Really all of his Chopin recordings are a cut above the rest, it's a damn shame he barely touched the etudes apart from a few selections.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlrlysEKQk

>>73375146
I listened to 30 minutes of this and forgot I was even listening to music.
Why is Chopin so boring and bland? It's like the elevator music of the past.

>>73375025

Wonderful stuff, thanks!

I wish there was a Furtwangler recording of Dvorak's symphony no 9.

You know, after a couple years of listening to mostly classical music, I can honestly say that the majority of music feels inferior to me now. I used to think that metal music sounded so complex, now it sounds so simplistic and unimpressive. Now soundscape and ambient and stuff like that is my counterbalance.

>tfw Fritz Wunderlich will never perform Winterreise

>>73375957
>Now soundscape and ambient and stuff like that is my counterbalance.
Listen to bulgarian folk dances instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBGS2UuNPho

>>73375624
Because you lack taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bqWkiGzt00

liszt's abandoned opera will be premiered in 2018

>>73376721
It will be shite

>>73376721
Would rather just see more performances/recordings of Christus. Maybe some of those meme-y staged oratorio things that seem to be getting more popular if you absolutely have to have some sort of visuals

>tfw Fritz Wunderlich will never perform Winterreise

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>>73376747
DELET THIS!

>>73372965
Please fuck off CLT, Stravinsky's neoclassical phase was one of the most pretentious periods any single composer could have. Apart from the Mass, SoS, the Violin Concerto and his other concertos, Stravinskys compositions from the mid 20's to the 40's felt backwards

Just compare Wind Instruments to Apollo or Pulcinella, the former hasn't aged at all compared those half assed turds

What is your favorite diabelli variation?
Mine is no. 9.

I really like Brahms' first. The opening, the overall structure, and the melodies are so nice. His 3rd and 4th are great too (I think the melodies there are superior), but the 1st is a little more subdued which I prefer.

>>73378322
liszt's

>>73378322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9911k7Wrw4

>>73378819
me2

So what mega link in the OP should I start with?

>>73371454
then you admit that it has no social imact at all. Its audience is too limited

>>73371454
what do you think he should include to be less simplistic? I think it's covering a lot in the time. And I don't think it's garbage

>>73374070

From December 1943, Live in Berlin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKrf6hRS4A&list=PLtXbDDLMyqL6i-vJ7bkocBUa8udSDEgQf

>>73381266
I always get excited when my man Furtwangler is behind the Baton.

This is the famous 1945 concert performed by Furtwangler, which was his last concert in Germany during WWII before fleeing to Switzerland, avoiding arrest just hours before the Gestapo would have arrested him.

Furtwangler helped Jewish musicians and non musicians escape Nazi persecution and the holocaust; he refused to be a member of the Nazi party, refused to give the nazi solute, refused to sign "Heil Hitler" in letters to Hitler himself, tried to avoid performing for Nazis (but was eventually forced to), refused to sign his name on the brochure 'We Stand and Fall with Adolf Hitler', and even knew of a plot to assassinate Hitler, the "20 July plot". A member of the German resistance, Rudolf Pechel, who plotted to assassinate Hitler said "In the circle of our resistance movement it was an accepted fact that you were the only one in the whole of our musical world who really resisted, and you were one of us."

An account of his anti fascist endeavors can be read further here, it's a truly fascinating insight to classical music in Germany during WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Furtw%C3%A4ngler#First_confrontations_with_the_Nazis

Furtwangler is widely recognized as one of the greatest conductors of all time, and is considered one of the greatest interpreters of Beethoven of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA4g24JWFRo

>>73381674
>artificial stereo meme
i wonder why people do this, always sounds terrible to me

anyway, if anyone wants this concert in the best sound quality, get the version on Orfeo. it's in a boxset and you can grab it on pippo9's blog. that version has a higher frequency range than most of the other sources I've heard

>>73381767
I'm thinking of buying a 1 month subscription to uploaded so I can go on a 1 month downloading spree from pippo9. What does everyone else who uses that blog do? You can't really download much if you have a free account on uploaded. Tbh I tried making an account but for some reason it kept coming back as an error when I tried to input my credit card.

>>73381856
>What does everyone else who uses that blog do? You can't really download much if you have a free account on uploaded. Tbh I tried making an account but for some reason it kept coming back as an error when I tried to input my credit card.

i just use real-debrid. it's a sort've work-around for DDL - you access to multiple uploading sites and generate premium links through them. used it for years now.

>>73381881
It says error, hoster not free.

>>73382249
We'll see if jdownloader works. I just started using it and it seems to be working, but I don't know yet.

>>73382607
Nah, Jdownloader sucks. Extremely slow.

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xz_cfVQZ3E

Can anyone possibly identify where this very short string of notes comes from? I believe it's typically played on flute or piccolo.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s14unO7HedSc

I like Liszt and Chopin

What recording of Beethoven's 9th is your favorite? I really like the Furtwangler Lucern 1954 recording. I've listened to Herbert Von Karajan's 1966 and 1977 recordings, Fricsay, and probably all of Furtwanglers (the 1943 april 20th, hitler's birthday recording) and the other 1943 recording, as well as the bayruth festival recording.

>>73384559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tBIkADzHhI

>>73384826
Oh my god, there's so much hissing in this audio.

I can't believe I haven't discovered Vaughan Williams until now. His stuff is so fucking good. I love them but they also make me jealous in a selfish way that I'll never be able to write anything as good as that.

>>73382839
nice 1

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>>73385280
the snakes are part of the orchestration

who are your favorite countertenors, besides Scholl and Jaroussky? looking for more good ones.

>>73366495
Yes, video game music is more important than Wolfgang Rihm and John Adams.

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>>73386463
>Adams
>not even Luther Adams

>>73363214
Youngest and hottest female one. Also the one with the biggest tits.

>>73368076
Look up before hand if it has a political or social message. If it doesn't the plot isn't necessarily that important.

>>73386424
Paul Esswood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0eangK_KBo

>>73372965
>>73378317
I like meme stravinsky and his neoclassical phase. His brief serialism period was admittedly pretty lame though.

Honegger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdBPZvHg9C0

>>73386808
thanks. I like this. Haven't listened to Glass in a long time. Since I saw the Murakami film actually.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsd3f5CJkbU

>>73386486
So you never want to get any real tutoring from an actually talented pianist?

>>73387904

Seek a Russian lady.

Great pianists. Great tits.

>>73387979
Will she straddle me and tell me about the wonders of Jesus

>>73387469
I think I'm starting to like this Bach guy.