/classical/

>Not thinking Gesaldo is absolute god-tier

Anyone else think of toothpaste when listening to Fidelio?

>>73273326
I'm usually thinking of toothpaste.

name one composer better than Brahms and I'll tell you why you should kill yourself

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>>73273668
>he likes brahms

>>73273668
Bach
Gesualdo

>>73273734
good job learning how to spell your gods name

>>73273793
>implying i'm christian

>>73273827
no...

>>73273668
Schubert

>>73272935
Overrated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKam7bF3k9U
why didn't you tell me about this version of Allegri's Miserere before /classical/?

>>73274874
because the Allegri is the memiest piece around. Although this particular recording is interesting because it doesn't go for the usual "aesthetic" we associate with the piece.

Still, I have an aversion to the piece based on the fact that for a depressing amount of people it is what they think of as representative of Renaissance music when it isn't.

>reflect on my past and how I got into classical music
>realize that I was always born with exceptional ear skills (no asian childhood training or anything)
>realize that I went to better music just because I was naturally predisposed to

this is weird, so most of the top conductors and whatnot don't have good ears or anything? they just paid their way through?

Why did I have to pick opera as my niche? There's so many voices to take into account not including singers, and all the good ones are from the Romantic period that is incomprehensible without knowing how things worked a hundred years before then, not to mention that these pieces are three hours long.
Is there at least a more active place to discuss classical music that isn't a thread on 4chan?

Schoeck is pretty good

>>73275391
You probably just don't like music, only drama.

>>73275433
His opera Venus is quite pretty

>>73275084
did you reflect on the question you're asking at all before asking it? Maybe do that now.

>>73275084
so you like good music because it's good? yeah man, you should definitely be a conductor.

>>73275602
It really does bug me when folks abridge the 'He da! Was da!" scene from the Magic Flute, but I love the overture and Der Hölle Rache remains my favorite single length of music even though it's almost completely irrelevant to the plot.

>>73275391
>there's so many voices to take into account not including singers
what do you mean? why is this causing you problems
And yes, there are lots of singers but there are lots of resources out there pointing you in the direction of those who are particularly worth your time.
>all the good ones are from the Romantic period
wrong
>that is incomprehensible without knowing how things worked a hundred years before then
wrong
>not to mention that these pieces are three hours long
classical music is not for attentionlets.

>>73275687
I hate any composer who is too lazyass to make all their singers sing and leave dialogue in their operas. Even recitatives are more musical than some twat yammering on. Magic Flute and Fidelio are two of my favorite operas and I hate them because they have dialogue.

>>73272828
shit I'd love to be able to write a string quartet

>>73275798
>too lazy
kek

KEK

>>73275798
The Magic Flute is proto-musical theater anyway, besides, how would you score Monosatos' "I know everything, now love me or I'll kill you"?

>>73275798
>Even recitatives are more musical than some twat yammering on.
No. Fuck no.

Is DG's Mahler - People's Edition a reasonably good box set?

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>>73276407
Nah, get this one instead

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FPsDV7_Y6o

>>73276984
That was amazing.

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rued langgaard was ahead of his time. good shit

Anything similarly awesome like this?
https://youtu.be/EqqG6UP7_3E

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>tfw you try to play Jean-Philippe Rameau's Les sauvages, but all the mordents make it too difficult

>>73278996
sorry I linked the advertisement for the video. ughhhh
Anything similarly awesome like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=LxcMZl6YwNs

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Lads. My uni has given me $20k to spend putting on a production of Dido and Aeneas by Purcell. No I can't do a different opera, gotta be ol m8 purcell. No i can't do an el cheapo and pocket the extra cash. I've never produced an opera before, how's the budget look? Am Australian, so prices might be higher than yanks are used to.

>>73279340
Wow, are conductors really that cheap?

>>73275625
>>73275662
Hey don't hate me just because you were born with the brain of a Blue Collar worker and instead are struggling to play in Bumfuck despite Alan Gilbert sucking cocks to get to NY

>>73279849
No, I'm getting student musicians.

>>73279985
Still, I'm surprised even a student would be that cheap.

It looks relatively reasonable otherwise, though. But I've personally only done a regular theater production before.

>>73272828
I don't know if this is the right thread to ask but I don't know how to read sheet music what is the best way to learn how to read sheet music?

>>73280027
Yeah, it's essentially a token honorarium, I'm embarrassed at how little I can pay the musos, but oh well. There is literally no amateur opera in my city so the conductor student is pretty desperate to get something on the resume

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5QwGEGxR24

Give me a fast, major key, light theme in 2/4 to use.

>>73281664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCYJYAX3sfU

>>73276407
just dl the links in the second mega, it has all his works except the ones he did as a teenager

>>73281664
>needing someone on an image board to give you a theme.
Write one yerself

>>73282904
I squeeze but nothing comes out

>>73282970
You need to hold off on squeezing for a few days, and then, after that duration has passed, take a day off and just edge until sunset. I guarantee that by the end, you'll be ready to explode.

With ideas, that is.

https://youtu.be/9YU-V2C4ryU

How did he get away with it?

>>73272828
schoenberg second string quartet

though it might have been berg at first

>>73284844
*thought

>>73276407
>>73276666
Box sets aren't worth the time. Just check out the stuff in folders 3 and 7.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjP0_cP8TA8

What have YOU written, /classical/?

>>73285376
Still shilling this pastiche crap eh JJ?

La Monte Young is the best minimalist!
just sayin' =) Reich is second

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>opera
*nothin personnel, mon ami*

>>73285376
>RANKED IN "THE TOP TENS" LIST OF 'GREATEST PIANO CONCERTOS OF ALL TIME

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I hate the sound of major keys.
Are there any composers who utilized minor tonalities more than others?

bump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJh6i-t_I1Q

>>73286669
I almost agree with you. If you like pianoshit Rachmaninoff is great since the majority of his pieces are in minor. Otherwise just search for composer name + minor. And ignore Mozart

>>73275084
1.
>>reflect on my past and how I got into classical music
>>realize that I was always born with exceptional ear skills (no asian childhood training or anything)
>>realize that I went to better music just because I was naturally predisposed to
>this is weird,

2.
????????????????????????????????????????????????

3.
>so most of the top conductors and whatnot don't have good ears or anything? they just paid their way through?

petzold

petzold

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You don't have to like him but if you don't "get" him and think he's a hack you should not be allowed to work in classical music

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Why didn't you save her /classical/?

>>73290909
who is this and why are you posting her

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>>73275084
>realize that I went to better music just because I was naturally predisposed to

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>tfw your weighted key keyboard doesnt have a harpsichord setting and you cant afford to buy a new one

>>73290808
>tfw finally understand the sonic approach to music, after a decade of conservative indoctrination
>tfw I've finally stepped out of the 18th century compositionally

Still, I think it would be miserable to become accostumed with post-WWII avant-gards without being able to compose. To me it's all composer's music.

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFby7rYbVRw

>>73291890
>tfw he plays a shitty keyboard instead of renting a upright piano for 10-30€/month

You know you're not gonna make it with that trash.

>>73292189
>Man discovers another fucking Hindemith sonata

>>73285894
Thanks ever so much, anon for your very constructive accolades and also your very keen insight into what are probably misfires here and there in what I was trying to accomplish. First the orchestration: yes, true. On reflection once I put out this video I had some misgivings about certain things I'd done in the orchestration and changed them. Seems I will never get a final version because every time I read through the score I end up making a few more changes here and there. I'd never had any formal education in orchesrating something. I was basically just winging it based on years of readings orchestral scores of my favorite orchestral works. But nothing is a substitute for a good grounding in a classroom with a good teacher. Now to your very insightful observations:
1. yes, it's true I got the orchestration texture too thick here probably way down in the bases and cellos, if you're referring to that arching melody played by the violins. But I was up against making it sound too much like Rachmaninoff and the problem is that if I'm going to imitate someone why not go all the way instead of using half-measures that only gum up the sound.
2. The 1st mov. reveals a obvious structural weakness and that is that I have all these themes that run one into another without any really good allocations to the piano. As you point out, both the main theme, the secondary theme AND that strings under horn soft passage are all done by the orchestra. I didn't give the piano enough room to breathe on its own with a few solo passages rather than the couple of cadenzas it's allocated. It's something I'll have to seriously ponder should I decide to completely redo the entire concerto.

>>73292890
3. Yes, I think I ran out of what to give the piano after that cadenza to the upper register but I wanted to get one last statement of the opening motif in before closing the movement. I actually thought this would be a separate concerto because I composed this backwards (4-3-2-1) and this was the last movement I'd written before deciding I just didn't want to get involved with a 3rd Concerto.
4. Well, you caught some things that others have caught as well: that I wrote out of the range of certain instruments out of negligence. One person caught that I'd written below the range of the viola starting at mm 35 which I hastily thanked him for and corrected.
There's no doubt I'll have to fix several things as I read the score more and more, which is why I have four revisions on YT. But people were so kind to me I just didn't want to delete their comments. And once again, thanks much to you as well, Sam for pointing a lot of this out to me. Write again if you have suggestions. They're very much appreciated. PS After Op 3 I just gave up composing. I didn't feel I had any real talent and musicians simply don't want ultra-Romantic music. It's just not taken seriously.

>>73291890
cheap midi keyboard and pirated harpsichord sound?

>>73292890
>>73292903
Holy shit are you really JJ? Pic with timestamp and your Opus 2 please.

>>73293772
he didn't edit out "Sam" in the second post. It's taken from the comments on the video

>>73293772
Thanks much for sharing, John. I have to reluctantly agree with you. I'm kind of like the kid who starts composing in his favorite style when he's 16, emulating his favorite composers and styles, usually Romantic ones. Except I got a really late start after having been in the business world for a number of years, only recently coming back to music in 2005, first to do some piano videos here on YouTube which weren't too good and then turning to composing to fulfill a teen ambition to write a piano concerto. I love Liebermann's 2nd Concerto too. He is a pro, of course, and has had a varied career so he's built a solid reputation. I'm a kind of musical chameleon; because of my musical knowledge I could write in nearly any style including ultra modern but I don't see these concertos going anywhere (Liebermann's 2nd is a rare exception) after they've been given their splashy premiere...Ronald Brautigam premiered a modern piano concerto by a composer about ten years ago whose name I cannot even recall. I've never heard it since. The name doesn't even come up when I google "RB gives premiere of new piano concerto by..." So unfortunately I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. That's the state of music today.

>>73283995
How did HE get away with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoINrtIWpTA

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>>73286669
Here you go. An entire set of violin sonatas in minor keys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOIRJoHnZYQ

do you guys like the ochestral version of icct hedral by aphex twin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I13uVL681oo

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>tfw you will never be able to play like this
https://a.uguu.se/JbBNSXNaAZdZ.mp3

>>73295424
That's honestly some of the most autistic piano playing I've heard. My fingers hurt just thinking about it.

Who is it?

>>73295778
Lhévinne

Piano roll.

>>73295424
that sounds incredibly inferior to his actual recordings.

>>73296689
It is. And I'll still never be able to play that well.

Somebody post some good Bartok

Here's a nice contemporary piece by John Luther Adams- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGva1NVWRXk

Saw Suzuki with a chamber group and a few soloists last night - Full concert of Bach pieces. not bad, although not my favorite pieces. Orchestral suites 1 and 3, Concerto for 2 violins in D minor and an extract from Cantata 82a "Ich habe genug"
The concerto for 2 violins was pretty decent, and the sound quality overall was 10/10 - could hear everything and it was quite a small venue, packed out. The soloist for the cantata extract was pretty good and there were certainly some magical moments. Still can't complain too much about an entire concert of Bach. The Orchestral suites, while not being my favorite pieces are still quite charming and had nice moment, well played even if the bassoonist sounded like a bleating goat at times.
Nice to hear period oboes, flutes and bassoons too - they have a great sound that is perfect for Bach.

>>73282970
Improvise until you come up with something. If you can't generate material from improvisation or by just thinking things up, maybe composing isn't for you.

>73285376
A lot. Something like 30 fugues recently

>>73295417
no, we only like music written by trained composers.

>>73297720
c l o w n
w i t h o u t
j e s t

>>73297666
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXu4Wvgo5-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sswIfwzwMvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFTGdFuUdAU

>>73297845
Thanks dude :)

>>73297666
Nice satanic digits.
This was the first Bartok piece our professor showed us. he had studied at the Bartok archives in Hungary and was a bit of a Bartok nut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATQIBolNstc
His string quartets are still considered one of the high points of 20th century chamber music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTnbrLXEGjI
Can be difficult listening if you're not used to somewhat harsh dissonance. Might be worth starting from the first quartet if this one is too much for you.

>>73298027
Thanks these are a great intro. I actually really like the dissonant stuff (I've been into Shostakovich's String Quartets recently)

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post songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWLouEKfG28

Telemann never fails to impress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2PF7AC2hI

>>73297666
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce7z-z2xIKw

>>73299560
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Zsk55I2Ww

I know right?

>>73299244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-34TAqv9Gjk

>>73291890
yamaha portasound ps-20

>>73291890
Surely you can connect it to your computer via MIDI cable. Any keyboard that is weighted will have a MIDI out.

Get a cable, get a DAW and a harpsichord sound and you're good to go.

>>73300179
Dumb frogposter.

>>73285376
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjP0_cP8TA8

hahahahaha oh man i will never tire of composers that think that they are god's gift to humanity because they write a long ass piece, completely ignoring that it sounds like utter shite.

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I'm not sure if this is just soundtrack music or someone's classical music, but does anyone recognize the music that starts playing at 0:42?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY392wxb2Wk

>>73301420
that shit is terrible. the piano sounds so goofy.

>>73301420
>>73301456
Well, I don't think everyone would quite agree with your hasty assessment. I showed it around to a few conductors. One conductor of a pro orchestra told me, "JJ, it's a beautiful concerto but I could never get this approved by the Symphony's Board of Directors because to give this a premiere would cost the orchestra somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 to 300-thousand dollars with salaries, rehearsal time, auditorium rent, publicity, cost of a pianist to learn it (I don't play piano anymore) parts reproduction for the musicians, and a dozen more things." So after hearing that I pretty much came to the realization that the only way this was ever going to be premiered would be if a miracle happened like Lang Lang stumbled onto it and said, "I love this! JJ can I premiere it?" Lang Lang, are you reading this? Dream on, JJ, dream on!

>>73301509
>chronically wants Lang Lang to perform for him
Pfffftbhahahahahahaha

>>73285376
abstolute garbage

>>73297720
post the bach chart

>>73301549
Man, what the hell spell check?

Meant to say unironically, obviously.

>>73301549
>>73301560
Thank you much, anon for your very kind critique and for sharing the video. This sound quality is terrible because the screen capture program I used seriously mutilated the sound. The SoundCloud audio is much much better. Yes, the orchestra comes on strong in that opening theme. Balancing the sound is pretty difficult because the mixer works on whole movements and not measures, so once I set the piano at a certain strength it has to stay that way even if it gets swamped by the orchestra in certain spots. Glad you like the neo-Romantic genre. I, too, don't care for the modernistic stuff too much. Some of it is horrible, but contemporary Romantic music is not taken seriously these days unfortunately, which is why only a few of us write it. Musescore is a good free program. If you have the money try either Noteflight for $59/yr or Notion4 for $299. I use Notion because it is the best sound for the least money. If you have any questions run them by me. I'll try to answer them. Good luck. J Joe

No one else quite nails the anger of Wotan in Act 3/Scene 2 of The Valkyrie, like Ferdinand Frantz. You can feel that Godly wrath just seeping out of him. Everyone else sounds tame in comparison.

>>73301637
Sorry, this thread is for amateur composers only now.

>>73301661
>JJ
>amateur
He'll be in the canon one day, you fucking philistine

>>73301673
Hi anon, nice to heart from you again. You're a sweetheart. Thanks so much for your encouraging words. I'm always glad when someone tells me they enjoyed listening to the concerto because then it lets me know someone is appreciating it and then I feel like all the work going into it wasn't in vain. There is a new audio of it labeled "2016" which is a much better audio than the one attached to the orchestral score which got murdered in the screen capture process. The 2016 has the 3rd waltz movement removed because it was transferred to my Opus 3 "Ghostly Waltzes" which are 4 waltzes with a spooky atmosphere. Hope you have a listen to it. It's my trailer video on my Youtube Homepage but might not play for returning subscribers. You might have to click on it to get it going. Hope you enjoy it as well. Stop by once in a while and say hi. I'd love to know what you're doing. The life of a composer is....well...lonely as hell. ;-) Take care in the meantime.

>>73301688
Thanks for the message anon. Composers where there for me in some of my darkest times in life, and are all in and all wonderful people. Kindest regards, anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1vAU1Eoqoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pCAb936zBo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA9kRD_2mi4

Some more modern masterpieces.

>>73301701
Thank you much, anon. I'm glad you got some enjoyment out of the concerto. I certainly did enjoy writing this one much more than I did the 1st Concerto as I'd never written anything before it and getting the hang of orchestrating was a challenge. But if you've read the bio info above you'll note I've wanted to write a piano concerto since high school, but I never got around to it after severely injuring my finger and then giving up music for most of my life. But I digress. I actually got it written rather quickly after my extreme disappointment of not being able to accomplish what I'd intended to do in the 1st Concerto. I immediately dove in right after completion of the 1st and wrote the first draft in a matter of 3 months or so which is the one on YouTube labeled "2014 version" This video was the 1st revision a year later and then came the audio labeled "2016 Revision" in which I dropped the waltz movement and made it a traditional 3-movement concerto. It WAS inspired by the Rach 2nd, my favorite piano concerto, and does have elements of both composers in it owing to its neo-Romanticism which also makes it radioactive far as hopes for a premiere goes. As one semi-famous conductor I showed it to noted, "Yes, it's lovely, J, but do we really need a 5th Rachmaninoff Concerto?" Thanks again__JJ

>>73301718
I see what you are saying. It is a shame there is such a divide between traditional composition and modern electronic composition, good luck, anon.

>>73301726
Thank you, anon. Yes, I self-taught myself. While in business for years I read orchestral scores in my leisure time to keep music notation/transposition/etc alive in my mind and to learn how great composers did what they did. I still have a whole closet-full of Dover editions of all the major orchestral works. So I just wrote the concertos in my mind first and then transferred them to score, changing a flute to a clarinet, etc until I got the sounds in my head reproduced in audio.

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>this nigga wrote 32 symphonies
>almost none of them ever get performed
What hope is there for us?

>>73301732
I see what you are saying... At night I have dreams of some composers works, that are not a reality, and will never be. I wish them the best.

>>73301758
Thanks so much, anon, you really made my otherwise boring Saturday night a real treat for me. I rarely get such nice comments. There are several on my description but they are collected over 2-3 years and are strictly for promotional purposes, not to brag or anything. It is SOOOOOOOOO difficult to interest a pianist in doing a romantic contemporary concerto these days. They are anathema to the music industry. No pianist has expressed an interest in doing them so I've all but given up. I'll write something if it pops into my mind but I've been dry for awhile. Trying to keep my spirits up. Thanks much for your uplifting comments. Keep in touch.

>>73273668
Chopin

where did the jj meme come from? am new to /classical/, I assume that it's an in-joke poking fun at how bad this dude is?

where did the jj meme come from? am new to /classical/, I assume that it's an in-joke poking fun at how bad this dude is? apologies for the autism

>>73301882
>>73301896
Yes

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>>73301571

>>73301914
sorry for double posting. there's some excellent garbage on reddit.

>>73301896
>how bad this dude is
He's the next Rachmaninoff dude. Show some respect.

>>73301939
Is the Schiff WTC new? Wasn't K Gilbert WTC previously there?

>>73302229
Yes it was, but after listening to Schiff's version for the last 3 or 4 months pretty much every weekend at work, I decided it should be on the chart.

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Any decent books on this dude? Was thinking of getting Christoph Wolffs book

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>>73275084
Are you implying you have absolute pitch? Or just that you really like music?

>>73275798
Well they were made as Singspiels and the style must not be for you.

Anon with absolute pitch here, AMA

>>73303229
How do you find serialism?

>>73303259
Not a big fan desu

>>73303229
is your pitch accurate down to 1 cent?
do you like microtonal music?

>>73303419
>is your pitch accurate down to 1 cent?
Don't know, how should i test this? I can instantly hear if something is off key, even a little
>do you like microtonal music?
Not really

>>73301747
They never get performed because they fucking suck.

>>73303444
>how should i test this?

Here is 2 pairs of notes:
https://clyp.it/5szjeh5n

the first note in each pair is normal, the second note will be either 1 cent higher or 1 cent lower.
If you can tell which it is, let me know what the direction of the mis-tuning is for each pair.

If you're mostly right, its likely your hearing is accurate down to the cent, which is pretty decent.

>>73303494
Thanks, i'll do it when i get home

>>73273668
Beethoven
Bach
Mozart

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Why listen to any solo instruments other than piano? I'm honestly curious.

Am currently listening to pic related's Sonata, Mazeppa, Sounds of Night, The Case, and Les Funerailles.

>>73304709
>Why listen to any solo instruments other than piano? I'm honestly curious.
pleb

Is the Mozart hate a meme? New to /classical/, genuine question.

>>73305512
There will always be Mozart hate from those who are frustrated that they haven't yet reached the point where they even partially understand Mozart's genius. It's just a phase that most people eventually outgrow; those who don't are referred to in common parlance as "pseuds"

>>73273668
Beethoven
Bach
Mozart
Schumann
Chopin
Debussy
Ravel
Dvorak
Bartok
etc, i could go on

>Martinu was a sperg
wew

>>73305809
interesting

any anon got a mega link for a baroque collection would be appreciated

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>>73304709
>I'm honestly curious.
Are you really though?

Mozart probably would play metal, not even trying to troll here. The only reason he played classical is because piano and shit was all the musical instruments they had back then. It was either piano if you were a solo artist or an entire orchestra if you wanted to play in a band.
once mozart got hold of a true electric guitar he would probably compose some kick ass metal shreds and form a metal band unlike any you ever seen. I would describe his sound as somehwhere as a mix between metallica, pantera, and slayer, definitely some heavy stuff but I feel like he would go a different route and as his music evolves you would hear more lead badass solos and less rhythmic heavy riffs.
His later works would probably be almost entirely shredding solos played underneath screaming vocals that would go together like bread and wine. It would be beautiful masterpieces I wouldn't even be able to describe, but imagine the most eligant and beatiful guitar tone imaginable shredding so fast he goes through every scale ever invented, and then goes beyond that into scales that haven't even been thought of yet that require a 15 string guitar to even play.

>>73307500
>Mozart probably would play metal
Because he's the only classical musician you know of?

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>>73307500
nice bait

>>73304709
>Why listen to any solo instruments other than piano? I'm honestly curious.

This.

only keyboard instruments come close, violins, cellos, guitars, etc. can't compete

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>>73308328
>keyboard
>only ornamentation available is trills
>can't even vibrato
>best solo instrument

What are some of the best recordings from this decade so far?

Do you get bored of your favourite music if you listen to it too much? I try to reduce the amount of times I listen to my favourite music because I'm scared I will get bored of it. Am I just being stupid?

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>>73309907
>Lautenwerck
Sublime taste my friend.

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>>73304709
>>73308328
>>73308376
>forced to use equal temperament

>>73308376
>what are mordents, turns

>>73310035
>yuyushiki
sublime taste my friend

>>73311227
mordents and turns are just fancy trills.

>>73311227
ornaments that you can do on any instrument

>>73301509
You're a dummy. Submit the score to competitions. That's the best way to get these played.

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>>73311255

>>73312151
Anon, that's a copy-pasted Youtube comment.

Dummy.

Duphly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwM8xLrGOFc