Did you forget about me?

No, I didn't.
I'm just disappointed as hell about the genre change.

Tbh she's very humbling wouldn't you say?

I never even bothered with this

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>>73269244
>she

>>73269330
What else would you call a woman?

>>73269570
I would call someone with xy chromosomes a man, no matter their mental illness

>>73269622
You call them what you want, pal.

>>73269622
Then you don't understand biology and you should stop using incorrect information.

Wish I could.
Was fucking dire.
Most entitled album I've listened to.

>>73269666
>satan trips pushing tranny shit

imagine my shock

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Reminder for everyone that his/her (pick which you want) baroque pop albums are superior to his/her solo album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bPzsRVOAPQ

>>73268864
I actually bought this for the OPN/Hudson Mohawke production and I actually think Anohni's voice is alright (and I thought Antony and the Johnsons were alright too) but the lyrics were cringy as shit. Oh well.

>>73268864
drone bomb me is one of the most reprehensible songs ive heard. exploiting the deaths of little kids for your art. and then this

https://youtu.be/bBIubgsfK8E

basically using abos as props to demonstrate how progressive you are. this tranny is disgusting inside and out

One of the few mistakes that Lou Reed made

>>73270045
agree. that abo shit is hilarious

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>Work for a music festival in my city
>First day of the fest
>See an amorphous, six foot tall, obese whatever the fuck your supposed to call them with green hair and a Mumu that says "GENDER IS OVER"
>Second day
>Same amorphous blob is wearing another mini that says "ANOHNI"
>Decide to listen to Hoplessness
>OOOOHHHHBAAAHHHHMAAAAH
>mfw

>>73268864
>Her music is not always horrible. It just desperately calls for a less horrible singer. One can respect the ecofeminist activist while at the same time demanding some artistic talent. And of course she carefully avoids telling us how she would keep Afghanistan from falling into the hands of the Islamic fundamentalists. Easy to criticize presidents and generals, harder to actually help the Afghans become as rich and free as she is. It is debatable if the apocalypse is coming because a president uses drones to fight an unpopular war or because the people of his country (like Antony) are indifferent to the tragedies of other nations. By the same token, it is easy for a rich Westerner to rail against the very environmental disasters that made the West rich: what are the other countries of the world supposed to do, refrain from doing what made Antony rich? She sings "I don't want your future", not "I don't want my present". Protest songs are easy to write.

>>73269737
This is a great fucking album. I love her voice but she shouldn't try to get political

>>73271877
Damn son

>>73270045
Didn't know you formed your opinions based on transophobia. If a different artist explored the deaths of children I bet you'd be ok with it.

>>73269666
I'd call her a "she" out of courtesy, but

>"You don't understand biology" in response to someone calling an xy person a "he"
kek

>>73271877
what is this from?

>>73273071
Admit it, chromosomes only mean so much.

>>73272601
>>73273343
http://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/antony.html#hop

>>73271877
>"One can respect the ecofeminist activist"
KEK

>>73273071

Why would your chromosomes matter when it comes to a sociological concept like gender?

>>73273587
>Why don't I have a girlfriend

>>73273650
that's implying gender is a sociological concept distinct from sex. not that guy, but i also call trannies "she" irl because i'm not looking to be mean to people, but they are undoubtably male.

>>73273697
>Implying all girls are ecofeminists and there aren't plenty of smart ones

>>73273708
Gender absolutely is a sociological concept. What other implication would you mean?

>>73273754
Most women like to be treated equally, regardless of what you think feminism means.

>>73272705
Id certainty still see through it but in this trans freaks case yeah, there's more to hate

>>73273811
Jeez, go talk about oppression on Twitter or something instead of polluting this board further.

>>73273811
Please be honest: are you on your boyfriend's laptop? Are you going to tell him he's not allowed on this disgusting and patriarchal website anymore?

>>73273811
>Gender absolutely is a sociological concept.
it's not. that's some 20th century critical theory bullshit promoted by psychos such as john money. i'd argue "gender" isn't an actual thing, it's only sex. if gender is a thing it is tied directly to sex.

>>73273708
breaking news: a person can born male but identify himself as female. And yes, that person is a female, not a male.

>>73273974
this. gender is a made up thing to make trannys feel less mentally deranged

>>73273992
breaking news: a person can be born male but identify himself as a fruit bat. And yes, that person is a fruit bat, not a male.

>>73273992
"Female" and "male" are words to describe a person biologically. If you're born male, you're always going to be a male.

>>73273992
Breaking news: mentally ill people are delusional.

More breaking news: John Money, the man who popularized the "gender is a social construct" bullshit, was a pedophile and his biggest experiment was a colossal failure that lead to two suicides.

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Never forget this man. Never forgot John Money was pure evil.

I always forget how pseudos you all are here in /mu/. Antony was doing amazing chamber pop since I Am a Bird Now but all you seem to care is how, she identified as trans since a long time ago and now the only thing you all seem to care is how she's changed her name to Anohni. You all need to grow the fuck up and start listening to music, bunch of faggots.

>>73269820
Seriously, this album would have been phenomenal if she spent more than 30 seconds on lyrics. The production was great, Anohni's vocal performance was solid, but the lyrics are one dimensional and trite to the point that this is barely listenable after the 2nd track.

>>73268864
Antony and the Johnsons were great. Anohni solo is shit

People say that "selling out" is a stupid idea but this is a very real case of an artist selling out.

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>>73274207
>she
Anyway, Anohni is washed up. He should've stuck to apolitical chamber pop, his political electronic music is total trash.

we're not here to talk shit about genders, we're head to talk shit about genres

that being said, this song is terrible, fuck this record https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVD50Q114-s

>>73274111
there are million of people who born female in a male body and viceversa, and the conclusion is that is not a penis to make you a male.

>>73268864
I NEVER LISTEND COS IT WAS A TRANNY OR SOME SHIT? JAHAHAH

>>73274288
Mindlessly repeating John Money's bullshit isn't an argument.

>>73274288
Translation: there are millions of people who are mentally ill.

>>73273870
>>73273913
Any actual arguments boys?

>>73274367
did you just....

>>73274367
>expecting an actual argument on 4chan

C'mon now

Don't understand why /pol/fags get so mad about trans people when it does not affect them at all

>>73274392
the answer is no, then

>>73274405
don't tread on me (only the people I arbitrarily dislike)

>>73274405
they're ignorant and homo/transphobic.

>>73274359
mental illness requires treatment. the treatment for gender dysphoria is gender reassignment.

the government doesn't take autistic people like yourself and shoot them in the head, do they?

>>73274405
People get mad over trans because this bullshit is being pushed onto kids. Less than 1% of the population are trans but the mainstream media never shut the fuck up about them.

>>73274359
What about mental illness offends you so badly? Jesus Christ learn to fucking deal with stuff you don't like instead of whining and moaning.

>>73269622
edgy

>>73274464
>phobic
w e w
e
w

how many layers of ideology are you on lad?

>>73274367
Once you give an informed argument yourself, maybe someone will.

>>73274477
Nah, trans people have been getting shit on for decades. Mainstream media has only given a fuck for the last 5 or so

>>73274476
>mental illness requires treatment. the treatment for gender dysphoria is gender reassignment.
Go look up tranny suicide statistics, the treatment isn't working very well.
>the government doesn't take autistic people like yourself and shoot them in the head, do they?
I'm not autistic and I'm not saying trannies should be holocausted. I'm saying society shouldn't relentlessly pander to a small handful of crazy people.

>>73274477
Because people like the anons in this thread disrespect them, call women by male pronouns, discredit music because the artist is trans, and call people delusional.

leave it to /mu/ to not talk about music

>>73274477
>never shut the fuck up about them

what shows/news are you watching? i never see anything about trans people other than vice, tumblr, and the occasionaly news story about the bathroom bill.

and who exactly is pushing the lifestyle on kids? raising your kids without pushing gender roles on them is not the same thing as forcing your kid to be trans

>>73274407
What's to argue? You're a fucking freak, no amount of pseudo science will change that

>>73274571
>Go look up tranny suicide statistics, the treatment isn't working very well.

a two second search on google

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/the-truth-about-transgend_b_8564834.html

>Transgender people who are rejected by their families or lack social support are much more likely to both consider suicide, and to attempt it. Conversely, those with strong support were 82% less likely to attempt suicide than those without support, according to one recent study. Another study showed that transgender youth whose parents reject their gender identity are 13 times more likely to attempt suicide than transgender youth who are supported by their parents.

guess what, people who are discriminated are more likely to commit suicide.

>>73274632
if there's nothing to argue why do you fucks shit up every thread with this shitposting? do you need a safe space?

>>73274571
>society shouldn't relentlessly pander to a small handful of crazy people

they don't

>>73274577
The problem with that argument is 4chan is a niche corner of the internet that attracts offensive behavior. It doesn't represent society.

>>73274664
Nah I just love triggering you

>>73274405
>>73274427
>>73274464
>it's /pol/ to say someone with a y chromosome is male
>>73274476
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
apparently that "treatment" still ain't working too well

>>73274652
>Huffington Post
Well played, baitmaster. You did well not revealing yourself until now.

>>73274678
t. the guy "triggered" enough to talk about this shit nonstop
it's pretty pathetic desu

>>73274667
>they don't
>http://nypost.com/2016/05/19/city-issues-new-guidelines-on-transgender-pronouns/

I don't understand why sjws come here. Seems like it'd be frustrating

>>73274708
>anyone who doesn't want r/the_Donald invading every board to make their opinions known by all is le SJW xD

OH MY GOD

WHO CARES

>>73274673
That's true. But that doesn't mean I don't have the right to argue with someone about their being offensive.

>>73274701
Cry about it freak

>>73274728
what

>>73274737
>Arguing with someone about their being "offensive"
I didn't know there were actual people like you on 4chan, or at least on this board.

>>73274728
>anyone who thinks people with Y chromosomes are male is from reddit

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>>73274680
lmao, this study again, so I bet you're the same dude
>Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

try reading the studies that you source, retard

>>73274739
This chain is so confusing.

>>73274708
not being a retarded /pol/fag doesn't make someone a sjw.

also, 4chan's bigotry used to be ironic until autismos arrived and thought it was real.

>>73274683
>Discrimination increases suicide risk

>Transgender people in states without LGBT legal protections are at higher risk of suicide. Other studies have found that transgender people who have been discriminated against are at a higher risk of suicide. What makes this worse is that discrimination against transgender people in health care, employment, accommodations, and housing is very common. Even in places with legal protections for transgender people, like Washington D.C., cultural bias and discrimination remains.

>>73274769
What? There are trolls all over 4chan.

>>73274737
>offensive
nigga why are you here? i'm here because i'm a loser and have nothing better to do after work. go somewhere else is you need the internet filtered this much

>>73274276
>He should've stuck to apolitical chamber pop,
Fucking this.

>>73274255
This as well.

>>73274737
You can argue about whatever you want. My point is you can't really hold up 4chan as proof that trannies are oppressed by society.

>>73274805
I like discussing music. And angering people who try to offend me.

>>73274771
>pulling out your lack of understanding of social constructs vs biological sex as if it's some sort of argument
and yeah, with this lack of knowledge I'm pretty sure you're from shithole like reddit
>>73274793
this too

>>73274793
Lol using words like transphobic and bigotry makes you an sjw, full stop

>>73274772
i read it you retard. i'm saying they still kill themselves after being treated at incredibly high rates. the "treatment" doesn't work. it even says it's not a good treatment for transexualism in your own quote.

>>73274846
using buzzwords like SJW makes you look like some bootyblasted 8gagger m8

>>73274680
>>73274680
Did you read it? All this study concludes is that trans people 10-40 years ago are more likely for Suicide and criminal behavior because "reasons". It doesn't go into why and straight up says that better care needs to be offered. Read the study lol

>>73274793
>also, 4chan's bigotry used to be ironic until autismos arrived and thought it was real.
Only tumblrinas ever bring up this bullshit. Ironic or not 4chan has always been a haven for political incorrectness so stop whining.

>>73274836
Who said it's proof?

>>73274844
>chromosome arrangement = biological sex

Wew, it's this meme, again

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>>73274857
>i am incapable of reading at a sixth grade level
so what the part I quoted actually says is that they recommend additional treatments POST-transition

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ugh fucken transphobes all up in my shit

>>73274843
>like discussing music.
you're in the wrong place
>>73274793
>>73274793
>4chan's bigotry used to be ironic
i'm sure you were here for that """""oldfag"""""
>>73274844
>pretending eunuchs are women makes them women
>the findings of a man who's main subject killed himself are valid

>>73274857
Depressed people still kill themselves even after being prescribed antidepressants. Your argument makes no sense.

>>73274875
>>73274931
she said that the treatment for gender dysphoria is "gender reassignment", but the study shows that they still kill themselves afterwards. it's a shitty treatment and they need counseling not castration.

>>73275004
obviously the researchers don't agree with you, and the research does not support your conclusion

>>73274935
because they aren't given the correct treatment. not every antidepressant medication or treatment affects everyone the same. that's why there isn't just one go-to treatment. just like castration shouldn't be the go-to treatment for gender dysphoria like xe >>73274476 said

>>73275042
bruh look at the numbers. it isn't effective as the treatment that'll stop them from killing themselves like >>73274476 thinks. they need actual help

>>73275060
The study is flawed in suggesting Sexual Replacement Surgery as the only treatment for gender dysphoria. In practice, transgender people get counseling first, then Hormone Replacement Therapy, then surgery if they still feel a need. If none of at least three steps helps them feel better about themselves, then that's another topic to talk about.

>>73275004
they kill themselves because of the hate they get not because of their treatment

>>73275004
Holy shit you cannot be this dense, literally 7 paragraphs under the first. It's labelled "conclusions"
>Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

Learn how Non-americans write reports

>>73275004
>>73275135

>>73274933
that's lauren mayberry

>>73269726
time to stop posting PJW

>>73275135
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2224753/Ria-Cooper-Britains-youngest-sex-change-patient-reverse-treatment.html#ixzz2AyFR0XCs
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4167808/
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1026392/A-British-tycoon-father-man-woman---man---knows-hed-be.html
all of these from spending two minutes googling sexual realignment regret and clicking the first link.
>>73275162
i've read dozens of scientific papers and i've presented at symposiums. i read it.
>Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism
it doesn't fix how the feel about being a tranny, they just feel more like the gender they want to be.
>and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
because they need counseling. this nigga >>73274476 thinks that castration is the appropriate treatment for it. they feel more like their gender, but they still want to die.

>>73275004
>they need counseling not castration.

loooooool so if you was born female in a male body, what would be the first thing you would like to do? dressing and behaving like a woman but maintaining a penis?
looooool
the study you posted deosn't say that trans people kill themselves because of the treatment.

>>73275356
>the study you posted deosn't say that trans people kill themselves because of the treatment.
i never said that. they'll kill themselves either way, castration or not.
>loooooool so if you was born female in a male body, what would be the first thing you would like to do? dressing and behaving like a woman but maintaining a penis?
they'll still be a man either way. doesn't matter if they have a gaping wound were their genitals once were. they need better therapy and probably better medication to make them comfortable in their body instead of jumping to gender reassignment.

>>73275415
>they'll still be a man either way
How can you be so dense? They're a woman in the context of:

* Their own psychology
* Their own psychiatry
* Society
* Sex Hormones
* Their body

Need I go on?

>>73274796
Dude, you're arguing against pure statistics and you reply with a huffington post reference on 4chan. You're asking to get ass blasted. Also, the suicide rate among trans people who are embraced by their families is also frighteningly high, because a lot of people realise that Gender reassignment surgery is too extreme a step to take. For most angsty teens, 'gender disphoria' is a bi-product of an existing mental illness. And since everyone is so PC, everyone and their mother could probably be officially considered trans and sign up for reassignment surgery.

>>73275356
>born female in a male body
this is not a thing

>>73275495
>Sex Hormones
because they're pumped with chemicals to prevent their body from fixing the traumatic event
>Society
no straight guy wants to have sex with a tranny
>Their body
they don't have a vagina and they still have a Y chromosome
>Their own psychology
>Their own psychiatry
just because people think they are something, doesn't mean they are. stop using your boyfriend's computer.

>>73274934
More like """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""oldfag"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

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>>73275605
>no straight guy wants to have sex with a tranny

>>73275587
>And since everyone is so PC, everyone and their mother could probably be officially considered trans and sign up for reassignment surgery.

Absolutely not true. Speaking from experience, most endocrinologists require 6 months to a year of counseling just to be prescribed Hormone Replacement Therapy. Now I'm not sure what kind of requirements a surgeon might have before they will perform SRS, but I can assure you that anyone who doesn't feel like they're trans will be found out.

>>73275605
>>Sex Hormones
>because they're pumped with chemicals to prevent their body from fixing the traumatic event
>>Society
>no straight guy wants to have sex with a tranny
>>Their body
>they don't have a vagina and they still have a Y chromosome
>>Their own psychology
>>Their own psychiatry
>just because people think they are something, doesn't mean they are. stop using your boyfriend's computer.
bad post.

>>73275495
Holy fucking Jesus, why is it so hard to realise that these people can't actually change their gender?

>Psychology
Even if a man feels he is a woman, it doesn't mean they should have reassignment surgery. Try counselling or regular medication.

>Psychiatry
Previous paragraph covers this.

>Society
Society generally isn't very accepting towards people with a mental illness, especially if they fuck themselves up through surgery. I'm not saying that's right, it's just the way it is.

>Sex hormones
If you are born a man you produce more testosterone than you do oestrogen. Vice versa for females. The only thing that changes this is a medical procedure and it won't make you a woman. It is not that simple.

>Their body
If you're a man, you have a penis. If you have that penis removed, you are not a woman you are a man without a penis.

>>73275674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpZSefYvwM

Not sure if it's the same in every country, but this kind of disproves your point. Even if there is a long waiting list for reassignment surgery, it still seems to be way to easy to actually get yourself deemed transgender.

I miss him when he was that fat guy who covered Danny's tracks. Now he's a mentally ill transtrender, I hope he can come to his senses and see how he fucked up though.

>>73275769
>can't greentext
>bad post

>>73275815
>Even if a man feels he is a woman, it doesn't mean they should have reassignment surgery. Try counselling or regular medication.
You're suggesting that it's wrong to feel like I'm a woman, which it is not. Over my mother's fucking dead body will I let you tell me that I am wrong in thinking that I am a woman trapped in a man's body.

The response to society is just plain wrong. You've just never encountered a trans person in real life, so you are unable to judge how they would be treated except through movies.

The sex hormones of a transgender person match those of a cisgender person of the same gender, because of hormone replacement therapy. Through adjusting the dosage of an anti-androgen and an estrogen, the hormone levels can be in the exact same range.

And I'm not just talking about genitalia, I'm talking about fat distribution, skin, the color of their eyes ffs. It all lines up with a cisgender person, at least on the outside, not counting genitalia/

>>73275986
I'm not suggesting it's wrong for you to feel like a woman, I'm just saying that reassignment should be your absolute last resort. Of course, as long as you're an adult, you can do what you want but I think you should go to all other measures before reassignment.

A close friend of mine who I grow with is trans. He dropped out of school a few years back and has attempted suicide multiple times. So it really worked out for him!

Changing hormone levels still doesn't magically change a person's gender.

Appearance also doesn't change a person's gender. Chromosomes are still the same. You can't just get a vagina.

>>73268864
He'll never be able to make good music until he is able to sort himself out. His anima is out of balance causing him to believe he is a women, Anthony hasn't experienced the glory of being the hero archetype so he is trying to fill the passive role of being a women. Somebody should send him a few of Jungs books and make him read them.

>>73268864
Yes, of course I fucking did. See ya'.