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cutest girl in the galaxy~
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>>73267249
ew
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Is Exy just a combination of Bomi, Chorong and testosterone?
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post fireheads
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do it amazing
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chengers
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Jennie is my wife.
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>>73267249
nice EARS
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>>73267228
word and

>so wonderful
good song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oLGNQMYcJ8
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Mandatory homopop post
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>>73267249

which sub-genre of kpop is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwmSjveL3Lc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dISNgvVpWlo
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>>73267275
mine too

based us
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>>73267263
Momo is so hot
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>>73267283
slutpop
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>>73267261
>>73267277
one of these posts is a fantastic post
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>>73267230
wendy could run her car over me 2bh
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>>73267283
slutpop + memepop
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>>73267283
girl crush swag
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Cheng Xiao is pronounced Song Su.

lmao.
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>>73267277
She is still the best Mina
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>>73267283
Kpop is not a genre
The concept is a girl crush one though
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>>73267297
cringe
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>>73267249
Kang master race
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>>73267283
girlcrush
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>>73267285
Bsoul is not JENNIE
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d a r k l o r d j i h y o
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>>73267278
eunb...
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>>73267283
>boombayah
purepop

>whistle
patricianpop
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please resume club activities
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>>73267249
wish the best for Mina, outside nugudan
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>>73267309
okay...
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>>73267288
>>73267296
>>73267297
>>73267304>>73267307
>7307 ▶
>>>73267283
post more pls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIRD45nWyOY
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More cubby posting?
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lisa is the only bp I don't like
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girl crush isn't a real thing you fuckiing morons, look at what BP is wearing in those mvs, its slutpop plain and simple.

you've fallen for all these memes like "Colorpop" and "girl crush" as a way to make you feel more comfortable listening to purepop or slutpop. just grow up and take it for what it is, either virgin girls being cute, or sluts being sluts.

there is no gray area and never will be
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>>73267300
It's not.
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>>73267315
i was about to ask
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>>73267287
She cannot be stopped.

>>73267310
Cute.
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okay
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>>73267333
what is red velvet?
what is twice?
what is mamamoo?
what is oh my girl?
what is loona?
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>>73267333
Are you ok?
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the only good sub-genre of pop is citypop and there isn't enough of that in kpop
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>>73267331
club's still open
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>>73267333
word
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>>73267300
It's Chéng xiāo in Mandarin, Seongso in Korean and Sonso in Japanese.
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>>73267346
>what is red velvet?
>what is twice?
cutesy memepop

>what is mamamoo?
jazz

>what is oh my girl?
shit

>what is loona?
purepop
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>>73267333
the fucking lyrics are girl crush, OPPA-Boombayah.....
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>>73267346
>what is red velvet?
>what is twice?
purepop
>what is mamamoo?
vomitpop
>what is oh my girl?
>what is loona?
purepop
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>>73267330
Gunthorp is this you
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presented without comment
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rare cubbin?
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>>73267369
gay
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jinsol or somi
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>>73267337
She is waifu
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the only bad song ladies code ever released was kiss kiss
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>>73267371
ok
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>>73267369
can you stop posting this, it wasnt funny yesterday its not funny today
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>>73267356
>OPPA
this is slutpop lyrics 101 are you fucking stupid?
girl crush groups do not sing about being thirsty for oppa's dick
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>>73267337
she looks even hotter now than she did back in LOA days
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>>73267333

gimmie list of virigins who act slutty in their mvs pls
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>>73267350
no more bangs

no more bangs
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our lads
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>>73267378
wrong, the entire post-accident ladies code has been shit

fucking emo crybabies go cry in your dorm if you dont wanna be kpops anymore dont bore us to death and constantly remind us about the tragedy with every song
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>>73267333
>slutpop
It's not if it's aimed at girls.
No sane straight man would fap to the likes of Jenniesoul, Lisa and Rose.
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>>73267390
its not a joke its musical discussion
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>tfw still waiting to find out if infinite will re-sign with woollim

I don't think lovelyz can single handedly carry woollim desu, I'm worried
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>>73267350
>>73267352
>>73267371
yayyy
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>>73267319
they're called gugudan
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>>73267414
>It's not if it's aimed at girls.
>girls dont like sluts
their entire internatonal fandom is black lesbians dude, they love that shit
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>>73267376
My waifu is pic related, but Momo is still very good.

>>73267401
I don't think she has ever had a bad look dbh.

>>73267404
It's like she could almost pull of the same look as Eunha but not quite. I hope she can grow her hair out again.
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>>73267333
>you've fallen for all these memes like "Colorpop" and "girl crush" as a way to make you feel more comfortable listening to purepop or slutpop

This is so true. Certain fans are really insecure about liking purepop so they give it another name.
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>>73267371
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tzuyusoul > jenniesoul > sluggosoul > babysoul
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>>73267283
Girlcrush
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>>73267430
where's jinsoul
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>>73267378
i liked kiss kiss, i remember people laughing at me here for liking it

also wording this >>73267409
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Trivia Question: Who's the prettiest, cutest, hottest asian girl that has ever lived?
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>>73267436
babysoul
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>>73267434
who?
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>>73267436
Kim Taeyeon
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>>73267436
Park Shin Hye
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>>73267436
baby soul
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people need to stop calling underage kpop idols fat, its fucked up and they aren't even remotely fat it's just they are stuck next to 40kg skeletons
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>>73267436
Tzuyu
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>>73267424
Hell yeah, Mina is up there for sure
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>>73267441
the next loona girl
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>>73267446
lmao
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>>73267449
kaylas brother...
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>>73267436
hyuna
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>>73267436
Park Jihyo
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>>73267414
>slutpop
>It's not if it's aimed at girls.
ok explain how the majority of 9muses fans are females then

inb4 ladypop meme which is also not at all a real thing
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>>73267436
lee soojung
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>>73267416
mijoo can
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>>73267466
ladypop is real

just look at spica, rainbow, lovelyz, f(x) etc
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>>73267449
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>>73267427
But the "purepop" which is called girlcrush and colorpop isn't embarrassing like say lovelyz do they're not really embarrassed
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>>73267249
Sauce on this girl and her group?
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>>73267436
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>>73267464
this is the correct answer
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>>73267421
>girls dont like sluts
lmao, you have some serious problems if you can't tell the difference between a group like BP and Stellar.
They would say that BP's image is "empowering" while the Stellar's one is degrading.
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>>73267449
are you Kyla's brother??? tell your sister to drop the weight before the japs hunt her like the whale she is
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>>73267482
ioi but the group is dead, sorry man
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>>73267472
I'm surprised mijoo hasnt gotten any CFs yet.
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YOU ALL FAILED
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>someone else waifus my Momo

Not sure how to feel about this desu
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>>73267473
lovelyz is purepop
f(x) is dykepop
spica is nugu so who cares
rainbow was slutpop, they literally lift up their shirts in one of their songs, rainbow is a perfect example of slutpop
>>73267486
>They would say that BP's image is "empowering" while the Stellar's one is degrading.
who would say that? you? the same person who fell for the "girl crush" meme because you read it on akp or OH? get real nigga
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>>73267482
Mina Kang(best Mina) Gugudan
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>>73267475
>But the "purepop" which is called girlcrush and colorpop isn't embarrassing

lol
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>>73267464
>>73267485
Why is her nose so big?
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>>73267502
i just noticed THE G A P
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why do people call lovelyz purepop when they're always singing about lusting after some guy
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wtf is colorpop
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>>73267452
I honestly like all of Twice though.

>>73267454
I really love her getting the extensions, hope she grows it out for real too. And keeps the black.

>>73267502
Pretty girl, I hope she is eating enough though.
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>>73267506
>who would say that?
Have you ever talked to a girl?
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so now "girl crush" is "female empowerment"? whats the point of dreaming up these terms if you can't even stay consistent

slutpop is slutpop, ain't nothing wrong with liking slutpop
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>purepop
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>>73267502
Stop that Meme
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>>73267337
>>73267376
Oh and meant to say, I hate that trashy outfit so much. Reminds me of that whore Bulls outfit Miley Cyrus wore in the "23" music video
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>>73267482
kang mina from gugudan, she was also apart of ioi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQxtwvLUByM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1hxg1rY17I
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>>73267528
omg - coloring book
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who is your waifu, and what does she do
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>>73267506

>lift up their shirts

that was to symbolize them lifting up the female community
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I don't know how RV escapes the purepop title when they prance around in cutesy clothes while singing childish songs like 'lookie lookie'
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>>73267552
she's kei, she drives
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>>73267536

is it called purepop because they're virgins?
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>>73267559
they didnt, see my earlier post >>73267357
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>objectification

There’s no point giving any fucks about this, especially as you’re all completely complicit, whether you agree with objectification or not. Remember kids:

The music business is the objectification business
You’re objectifying your idols every time you look at them on TV or unwrap a photocard
It doesn’t matter if they dress “sexy”, “smart” or “cute”, it’s still objectification
People are sex objects, so objectification makes sense, after all it’s not like you really know their personalities
Dressing sexy is one of the few chances these people actually have to make money, before you criticise it consider that maybe, just maybe, the boys and girls are cool with it, and it’s probably one of the least unpleasant things they have to do
Idols who have “sexy” concepts in Korea are tame as fuck, you fucking child
None of you are reading this, you’re watching the Hyosung video
People like to complain about dumb shit like “objectification” so they can feel better about the fact that they’re supporting an industry where half of the idols up there on stages are dancing through their own tears after being cruelly mistreated by their own companies for years on end. Of course I support it too, I just don’t try to claim the moral high ground at the same time
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>>73267516
I don't believe that it is
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>>73267552
Momo

She cuts her head open and loses the ability to communicate and doesn't afraid of anything
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>>73267551
this is purepop too
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>>73267516
I've always thought that. Not that attractive imo and everyone worships her
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>>73267566
RV fans don't think RV is purepop
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>>73267565
loooooooooooooooooool
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>>73267543
That is too bad that Miley Cyrus ruined this outfit for you. But Momo is so cute in it and her belly is perfect.

Have a dressed up Momo instead then.
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purepop, slutpop, colorpop, and girlcrush are mostly about style
not necessarily the lyrics
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purepop:
https://youtu.be/h-3V0FwPzes
slutpop:
https://youtu.be/QnAhnxmSNFw
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>>73267567
>People like to complain about dumb shit like “objectification” so they can feel better about the fact that they’re supporting an industry where half of the idols up there on stages are dancing through their own tears after being cruelly mistreated by their own companies for years on end

thats best part to think about, anon
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where'd the cubs go
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>>73267552
seola, she bullies others
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>>73267567
fuck off kpopalypse
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>>73267581
Holy shit, do you have any full body pics of her in that dress?
Momo looks so amazing I can't get over it.
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twice
rv
wjsn
omg

these groups are purepop but their fans delude themselves into thinking they're not
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>>73267567
who pooped in your salad
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Her best song.
https://youtu.be/kTOKNpHUqCE
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>>73267567
OMG go kill yourself, who care if they are being objectify, everything is being objectified and there is nothing wrong with that
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>>73267502
This meme has a poor shelf life
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>>73267596
JYP himself said they are colorpop
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>>73267593
*throws seola in a large body of water*
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>>73267595
Of course I do!
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>>73267586

so slutpop is the term you use when the girls are actually hot and not average

what was that you were saying about adding terms to girls to make you feel better about the ones you like?
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>>73267623
omo
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>>73267578
if they stop being insecure and allow things to only fall under purepop and slutpop, wouldn't RV fans put it under purepop?
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girlcrush doesn't exist you fucking retards
post 1 non-meme example of girlcrush, I'll wait
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never change eukpg
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>>73267620
JYP himself made signal
he can no longer be trusted
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>>73267620
>JYP himself said
retard
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>>73267623
HNNNNNGGGGGGG

I need more Momo in high heels. What do her feet look like?
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>>73267629
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>>73267586
look at what they are wearing in the sunshine mv though

thats slutty dude, cmon
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its called memepop you fucking retards
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bona, don't do it!
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>>73267581
Thanks, you're a good dude. And yes, besides that outfit she looks amazing in anything
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>>73267630
RV fans would find a way to make it slutpop
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>>73267642
Momo is the superior Twice
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>>73267641
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>>73267640
IGU IGU
IGU IGU
HIIIIING
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>>73267641
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>>73267552
mina, she eats
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>>73267636
everything is a meme
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Based Seola, truly my wife!
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but Be Natural was NOT purepop
no way
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>>73267653
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>>73267590
im here but my 16hr shift is almost coming to an end soon
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>>73267534
>slutpop
it's called yeinpop
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>>73267642
My wife in the middle
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>>73267651
Post the screenshots where she bends over and shows her tight buttocks.
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Apink and lovelyz fans are the only purepop fans who accept their concepts for what they are desu. The others are just intellectually dishonest,
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the point is, you guys don't have to be insecure about liking purepop just because of that one kfapper who tries to shame you for it. you don't need to dream up new subgenres and "concepts" to try and walk your way out of being shit on. just man up and accept it.

same for slutpop, nothing wrong with it, just like it for what it is instead of convincing yourself its something its not.
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>>73267567
i agree but it still hurts to watch to see someone you care about being paraded around even though you are aware that they are mostly cool with it probably. my fatherly instincts kick in a lot of times when it happens.
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onehallyu makes fun of irene because she's 27 but she does concepts like this
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>>73267689
are you done with your fanfic?
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>>73267689
i like purepop, memepop, colorpop, slutpop, and majesticpop
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gunthorp was such a weirdo
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>>73267689
slutpop and purepop are also arbitrary distinctions though
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>>73267688
word. apink and lovelyz are for the high IQ gents
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>>73267706
>majesticpop
what
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>>73267636
if an idol is too ugly to have a significant number of male fans they become girl crushes
you can always point out the girl crushes because they are often dressed in boyish clothes / have short hair and act like retards

most notable examples are amber and cub
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>>73267672
She's already mine, sorry kiddo.
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I think the best thing about Momo is that she doesn't realize how attractive she is.
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>>73267590
oooh my bad, i got caught up in momo posting. will dump some
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i hadn't noticed that yg acts are going on music core. that's good
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>>73267636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QarntTAQ28
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And here is all of them together.
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I like colorpop and slutpop
purepop is boring
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>>73267711
i made it up

its for stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a4BWpBJppI
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>>73267701
she was 27 in 1997
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>>73267714
kiddo *this*
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>>73267715
>she doesn't realize how attractive she is.
She knows
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guys I think some idols enjoy dancing like sluts & displaying their assets
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>>73267728
this is purepop
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i gave angel's knock a chance and it's definitely top 3 released this year
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Mina giving Jihyo a helping hand.
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>>73267689

why would you fap to purepop instead of slutpop?

based on that anon's comparision purepop girls are shit
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Most men have fapped to celebrities, Black Nut just told the truth, why shame him? Are we all gonna pretend men don't jack off every now and then?
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>>73267716
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>>73267727
>colorpop
colorpop is purepop rebranded for retards
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>>73267639
>can't be trusted after making a banger
I'm not sure I understand your logic.

>>73267722
So stunning...
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>>73267716
i guess momo posting isn't so bad wwwww
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>>73267707
gunny is a god
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>>73267738
but it sounds nothing like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K4b9Z9lSwc
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>>73267709
they're not
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Girl crush : SlutWalk = Slutpop : Actual prostitutes
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lets get a little wicked
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>>73267436
bae joohyun
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>>73267747
kfappers everyone
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>>73267754
Nothing wrong with posting Momo!
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>>73267758
purepop is a wide genre like rock
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>>73267639
signal is avant garde though
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>>73267722
10,5,0,0,10,10,100,7,0
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L I S A
I
S
A
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>>73267751
twice is hard carrying signal
would've flopped with every other group
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>>73267722
There are only 4 attractive members in this group.
2 of them are Sana and Momo.

Can you guess who the other 2 are?
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>>73267734
*kiddos*
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>>73267728
this is baroque pop
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laboum is purepop too but people call them colorpop for some reason
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>>73267746
You fap to purepop because of the fetishistic nature of purity, a slut is just easy and shows everything just because, wht fap to that?
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>>73267767
but they can have sub genres like post rock, surf rock, punk rock, math rock, alternative rock why cant we have kpop sub genres?
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>>73267719
It's weird to watch this show. It's really sweet but I also find it kind of condescending. Like "imagine you dirty peasant if a shining beautiful celebrity graced you with their presence in your shitty life for a few hours"
I don't know how to feel about it
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>>73267663
OMG her laughing at herself at the end. Like, "this runway attitude isn't really me, I don't want the spotlight"

>>73267659
>>73267677
>>73267692
>>73267722
Good stuff anon. Thanks
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>>73267782
mina and chewy
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>>73267778
what the heck
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>>73267789
>math rock,
the fuck is that?
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>>73267781
I'm so glad WJSN got a BEP song because it proves two things:

BEP is shit
Twice doesn't rely on BEP at all
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>revel's music sounds completely different from a pink's music
>"no it's the same genre stop being insecure!"

what did he mean by this
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>>73267789
You can but they all fall under purepop or slutpop
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you guys are surely memeing a lot, I will explain the pops for newfags
there is a scale between ladypop and slutpop, full slutpop would be bambino and full ladypop would be some of SNSD's work, a lot of groups are in between these
there is also a scale between colorpop and purepop too but it isn't as extensive as the scale above, full colorpop would be OC and full purepop would be Bonus Baby
artpop, memepop, edgypop are rare so no need to talk about them
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>>73267716
>>73267754
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>>73267777
I do not word this post. Twice is 9/9 all around.

>>73267782
They are all attractive though. But if you think there are only two more, given your choices I'd say Tzuyu and Mina?

>>73267798
Anything for a Momo bro.

>>73267806
It's like rock but with weird time signatures.
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>>73267810
are you saying that because nickelback and U2 don't sound the exact same they're not part of the same genre?
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>>73267722
2, 10, 8, 0, 6, 9, 10, 4, 3
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>>73267817
Just stop posting
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>>73267817
>colorpop

stopped reading there, it's not a really thing
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Colorpop is a really usually and subjective subgenre. I don't know why it's suddenly a thing now.
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>>73267586


what did they mean by this?
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>>73267806
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-pDs5Bw8js
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>>73267836
>Mina
>10
you have issues
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>>73267836
-2 on Mina and it's accurate.
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can someone hit me up with the latest twice pictures, pref twiceboy
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>>73267744
Those TTs omg its like they are getting bigger and bigger every time I see them
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>>73267834
yes I do. nickelback is post-grunge and u2 is pop rock
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>>73267786
they're both
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>>73267849
they needed to argue about something new
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>>73267839
>Just stop phone posting
word you should
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>>73267812
what about ladypop
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>>73267850

only if you let go at the last second and look away, then you're no longer in control and not responsible
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>>73267827
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>>73267863
lmfao
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>>73267862
it's called padding.
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Is MoMoMo a good song?
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>>73267874
slutpop subgenre
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>>73267885
>purepop
>good
no
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>>73267885
i like it. how about that?
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>>73267847
>dat strap
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>>73267885
it's lit
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>>73267778
qt
t
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>>73267874
Disband Choa
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>>73267807
>composer and producer of the year in 2015/6
>it's all thanks to twice

guess they'll be back to producing for nugus after the wujuflop
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>>73267722
6 7 3 0 9 9 9 4 0
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>>73267850
I'd prefer you didn't. Sana is so sweet and beautiful.
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>>73267874
aoa is slutpop
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>>73267857
This is from yesterday (or two days if you go by Korean time), unfortunately all the pics are that quality or worse
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>>73267902
everyone forgot they wrote those shitty shannon and apink songs for some reason
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>>73267885
Listen to the Chinese version, it's the best.

MING MING MING MING MING MEI MING MGIN MING HEY MR S-SHADOW
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>>73267887
>>73267908
that doesn't sound right because the 2 are completely different


>>73267899
leave her alone she already came back
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>>73267903
>Tzuyu
>9
the fuck is wrong with you?
>>
you know what the problem is, twice brought in too many newfags

this discussion would have never happened 3 years ago because no one gave a fuck
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>>73267908
I remember when Miniskirt came out and thinking that they've completely sold their souls and bodies to attempt to stay relevant.
Literal whores.
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>>73267902
poor sam lewis. that guy needs more credit
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>>73267885
I enjoy it
it's a good debut song
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the word 'proves' is thrown around way too liberally
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once you've spent enough time around regular korean people (i do business in with koreans in the U.S., and have been to south korea for business many times) you can pick up on just how much plastic surgery idols have and it makes kpop content near impossible to swallow.

korean people are never very good looking like that without plastic surgery. they're not really a good looking race (but then neither is any other non-white race if you think about it from an objective standpoint.)
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>>73267920
it's mental age
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>>73267919
she didnt stop being a whore tho
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>>73267939
>korean people are never very good looking like that without plastic surgery.

have you seen lovelyz
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>>73267716
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>>73267855
Mina is perfect.

>>73267862
Jihyo is a curvy lady.

>>73267894
That dot though.
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>>73267939
sure but my waifu and her group are natty
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>>73267909

post more of that sexy grl in the front/right pls
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>>73267884
DUDE

Why the fuck would she need padding? I mean you couldve said push-up but even that is unnecessary, let alone padding, and on Jihyo out of all flat idols and asian girls in the universe
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>>73267596
>rv are purepop
explain this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpAn9ryoB4Y
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>>73267928
miniskirt wasn't whorish as much as it was ladylike

>>73267944
you're right because she never started
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>>73267939
explain sulli, seulgi, key, bora, siwon
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>>73267939
this is false, Some asians are cute and they dont have plastic in them
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>>73267827
>>73267947
>>73267881
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>>73267939
who's you're waifu
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>>73267939
You're just picky because you never stop and analyze how ugly on average the people around you in your country actually are.
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>>73267960
>Why the fuck would she need padding?

Ever heard of jaekyung or minhee?
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>>73267939
JPs on average are the best looking asians
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new thread >>73241205
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why do you guys reply to obvious pol bait
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oh wow, theres literally no sub-genres of kpop

so all your made up terms are not official


kpop is all encompassing and by supporting it you support all of it
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>>73267960
>20 years old
>boobs supposedly getting bigger

Only two options - Dr.Kim or padding.
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>>73267970
all uggos
especially sulli
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>>73267974
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>>73267939
There are definitely a lot of cutie krs out there, but of course kpop and the Korean entertainment industry is going to be the most attractive examples.
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>>73267990
I don't discriminate
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>>73267992
kpop is not a genre retard, every piece of korean music is called kpop regardless of the genre
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>>73268006
>kpop is not a genre
retard
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>>73268012
>>73268012
>>73268012
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>>73267957
Dubu is cute and pretty
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>>73268014
ask a korean
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>>73267981
when it comes to regular people you see on the streets, definitely japan is on top. when it comes to celebrities and media figures though, you gotta hand it to china. they do have the advantage of being able to pick from a billion plus.

your regular korean is super flat faced, with unattractive large skulls, monolids and protruding cheekbones.
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