Why are good drummers so rare?

idk

Who do you consider to be a good drummer?

>>73255064

Because you don't know where to look for them.

>>73255124
Yeah I don't think they're that rare

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>>73255117

>>73255124
this

the very best drummers all play in niche genres like jazz, heavy metal, swing etc.

>>73255117

Personally as a drummer, I think that a "good" drummer should be able to fully support the music he plays. If what he plays doesn't feel like it belongs, or is a part of the whole, then he can be the fastest or whatever and it still wouldn't matter.

>>73255234
Exactly
Different music calls for different styles of playing. There are tons of things that can make a drummer 'good'
A good punk drummer sounds nothing like a good jazz drummer

>>73255228
>niche genres like jazz
fuck off retard

>>73255064
because you listen to terrible music

>>73255380
>non terrible music is rare
>therefor good drummers are rare
kys dipshit

>>73255064
A good drummer doesn't care about making himself sound good, it's about making the music sound good. Besides there's nothing worse than overplaying

>>73255420
no you just listen to terrible music

>>73255508
You can't make the music sound good if you as a drummer don't have musicality, can you?

>>73255508

>Besides there's nothing worse than overplaying
Oh God, all those YT covers with 16 note triplet fills every 4 bars.

Drummer here. It's really quite simple.

The drums are the foundation to the beat of the song. If the drums veer off course, so to speak, it's noticed because of the break in repetition. For drums to do impressive things a lot of the time they have to veer off course but this often comes at the expense of the song.

Ringo isn't a great drummer but people give a decent amount of credit to him for what he contributed to the Beatles with his sound. Those songs wouldn't have been improved by Ringo doing loud or crazy fills every measure. Tight efficient songwriting doesn't lend itself well to bombastic drumming.

So all the good drummers are in genres that don't emphasize great songwriting, but rather everyone noodling about showing off their technical skill and alternating time signatures. See: Prog, Metal.

>>73255228
>niche genres

>>73255597
Not saying drummers can never be noticeably musical/talented, just that the good musicians serve the music before themselves. Otherwise it would just be a dick measuring contest about who could play the most complex parts

Can anyone rec some good Rock albums with heavy drums.

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>>73255664
the speaker of truth

>>73255664
>So all the good drummers are in genres that don't emphasize great songwriting

Wrong. Maybe the most flashy drummers but not all the good ones.

Again, you don't need to show massive amounts of technical skill to be a good drummer. I don't even have a Prog/Metal drummer in my top 5

>>73255145
good taste

>>73255664
>all the good drummers are in genres that don't emphasize great songwriting, but rather everyone noodling about showing off their technical skill and alternating time signatures
There are many examples (see: all the greats) contrary to this

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They aren't that rare desu.

>>73255721
Anything by Led Zeppelin. John Bonham is the father of rock drummer

>>73255117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njuZ-lSz-8I

>>73255847
Fuck yeah. Steve Jordan is my all time favorite

>>73255117
Danny Carey in my opinion, one of the best ive heard

korean slave traders have some pretty solid drummers, i can hook you up!

>>73256054
One of the few drummers that plays A LOT but still always sounds tasteful

>>73255117
Charles Hayward, John French, Britt Walford, Jaki Liebezeit, Bernard Purdie, mostly every drummer in Davis' band, the list goes on

>>73255064
They're not. I could go to any college ensemble and pick a solid jazz drummer. Most music has competent drummers. The problem is that they're drowned out because melody has always been the most important thing in music and drums are rhythmic, not melodic.

>>73255064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoY51VCluI

>>73255343
i feel like most of the jazz drummers i know are also really into punk and mostly played that for a while

>>73256140
Interesting picks. Would not have put a lot of them of my list

>>73256326
Nah man, I've never heard of a serious jazz drummer that's mostly played punk

>>73256413
that's because you don't go outside

>>73256054
Agreed.

they're too concerned with showing off

>>73255064
>Why are good drummers so rare?
that's absolutely wrong though. You have tons of great drummers in shit bands.

>>73258913
This, why the fuck is the drummer from Liturgy still on that shit? He could be going places right now.

>>73256054
agreed

>>73255064
most rock drummers are white and white people have no rhythm that's why soul, jazz, hip-hop, and some thrash metal have the best drumming

This album has 10/10 drumming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3k9U_J08Rk

there is no good metal drumming.
sorry.

>>73256054
agreed

also, the dude from Deftones. His meticulous fills are insane

>>73260179
So do these imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njNjP7V4Q0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzhTA4m0Dw8

Post more 10/10 drum albums.

>>73255117
Carter Beauford

>>73255117
Dave King

>>73255117
someone who holds the basic rhythm of the song, the foundation of the music and he also sets the mood of the song with what he does with his tempo or choice of drum

>>73260452
any Pumpkins albums with Chamberlain tbqh

>>73255117
Albert Bouchard and Roger Taylor

>>73258913
The Rev :c

>>73260452
gospel were such a terrific rare fusion. it wouldve been fun to see more from them

>>73255117
John from SOAD

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>>73255117
>Why are good drummers so rare?
>all of these replies

>>73255064
because shit drum plebs dont know shit about drumming.

Don Cab

>>73255064
drums are loud, so most parents won't let kids have them, and the few that do probably don't get to practice to often

I think that a world-class drummer doesn't just "sit in the pocket" and "play for the song" as many say, he actually has a hand in creating rhythm and influence and mood in the song. Drummers can potentially have a lot of power. So defining a good drummer would involve being deliberately expressive, working with other musicians rather than for them in creating a great song, an obligatory remark about how technically proficient they are, an obligatory but also important remark about how well they can groove, and finally a remark about textures or something.

There's a lot to it, definitely more than "they just work for the band/song in which they're playing". Drummers can and have created great music on their own. Plus, drummers also have an important feel for not just drumming but also arranging rhythms. I'm pretty much ranting at this point but yeah

>>73261703
no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0RWnzd_b_k

>>73255830
>John Bonham is the father of rock drummer

lol

>>73265097
Name one rock drummer more influential than him

>>73255117
>>73256140
Charles Hayward is God tier

>>73255117
Thor Harris.

>>73262690
thank you. all this 'a drummer has to be completely subservient to the rest of the band' stuff is bullshit.

>>73255064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DdrwLk3pW8
You can still fill a fair a bit and be tasteful with it. I'm pretty sure most of /mu/ has never touched a drumset.

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>>73255117

>>73255664
>So all the good drummers are in genres that don't emphasize pop songwriting

Fixed that for you, kiddo

Terry Bozzio was pretty good but I'm not sure if he's still good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTSBR7eHL_I

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>>73256054
>watching his drum solo at the concert last night

For me, I will always consider Joe Morello a great in drumming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHdU5sHigYQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IydlHLHlndU

>>73265140
check your grammar

>>73255611
>16 notes
>triplets
Found the retard. I bet your music taste is shit and youre a virgin. Lmao

>>73267021
Projecting

>ctrl + f
>no greg saunier

why, /mu/?

>>73255664
This pretty much, coming from a drummer as well.

The "non-flashiness" of Nick Mason and Phil Selway are why they are my favorite drummers. So sensitive and great at laying a foundation. Also Thor Harris with Swans, the sound of his Kick drum is just so sexy

>>73267679
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>73255064
Because perfect time is a rarity.

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>81 replies
>no one has even mentioned neil peart

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Can anyone source me on pic? I remember screenshotting this a year ago with the bands name being _____ and his _____ . Something to do with guy and his band. Could never find a source of the album it was from but it was really cool.

>>73270546
Deantoni Parks, live with Omar Rodriguez Lopez

>>73270855
>Deantoni Parks, live with Omar Rodriguez Lopez
You're a fucking legend mate. Been kicking myself for not finding it sooner.

Is there an album that they're known for?

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>>73255117

>>73271266
Found the album どういたしまして. FINALLY, rateyourmusic had omar saved on the search from the last i looked.

because you're a retard who looks for low t soft babies for your gay ass indie folk band instead of looking through manly man genres

>>73271266
>>73271407
no problem man, Deantoni is a beast. He gets mentioned only sometimes in these threads.

name one good band where the drummer isn't good except white stripes and velvet underground

>>73267948
I actually dont think (You) do, buddy

>>73271625
Here's another (((You)))

You don't need for good drummers when they're obsolete now

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>Command + f
>no 柏倉隆史 [Takashi Kashikura]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHbVhRr9vwY
Mukougishi Ga Miru Yume is one of my favourite drum orientated songs.

>>73262690
>I think that a world-class drummer doesn't just "sit in the pocket" and "play for the song" as many say, he actually has a hand in creating rhythm and influence and mood in the song.

Well said, is is exactly how I feel.

>>73255064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js_iCPkICRQ

The drum solo at the end is so amazingly climactic, I've never heard that kind of tension, release and satisfaction come out of a drum solo, especially with the rest of the instrumentation supporting that climb with the rest of the song.

>>73255064
>Hard to learn, harder to master, uses lots of exhausting, large movements instead of more fine, nuanced finger work.
>Despite difficulty, you'll always end up at the back of the stage where everyone ignores you, drummer is almost never the spokesman/front-man either
>Expensive, elaborate, and large equipment means you can't just throw your drums in the trunk with the rest of the bags to take them out to the lake and impress drunk ladies by drumming
>Drunk ladies aren't impressed by drumming. As a pure support instrument you can't really "play a song" for people with just a drum set
>Sure, you get the odd drum solo here and there, but everyone would always rather hear an okay guitar solo than an amazing drum solo
>When there's no drumming or bad drumming, everyone thinks "What the fuck, this is missing something". When there's good drumming, everyone just thinks "Okay, good, that's how it should be"

TL,DR: Too hard to git gud for little to no recognition. Like an amazing painter who studied and practiced for decades only to make those contemporary paintings in the hallways and sitting areas of food courts and doctor's offices that everybody ignores and forgets.

>>73273134
>t. bitter virgin who thought playing drums would land him pussy

>>73273134
On top of this, no one in the history of music has ever said:
>It's hard to find good guitarists, let's just pick up a cheap guitar machine for now and use that instead

>>73273247
Bassist, actually.
I thought we bassists got the short end of the stick until I started talking to more drummers.

It's a support instrument, which means it has to deliver a good base by definition, kind of like the bass. That means that you're the most responsible person for molding the song, rivaled with the bassist. That is already a pretty difficult thing, but what separates a really good drummer to a great one is the ability to, while still delivering that base, be able to still stand out even when given the song where the melody stands out the most. It's a bloody difficult job.

On top of that, the skill floor is stupidly high. The bassist suffers from the same problems in the skill ceiling, but his skill floor is much lower than that of the drummer, which means that it will take longer for the drummer to start having his moments where he shines through and can show his strength as a musician compared to the bassist.

Essentially, it's a difficult instrument to get into that only gets harder to really become a great musician.

>>73273296
Bassists get a fair amount of bad luck given but in theory if you know a bit of guitar you should be able to pull something off, and I've known more than a few girls that like bassists - they tend to be the weirder ones.

Drummers get a bit more recognition for a lot more work. It's quite shitty. On top of that, it's unlikely that they can show off even a bit of their skills casually.

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>>73255117

>>73273314
I mean the bass can be pretty hard to play but you don't need to be that good to be able to play most popular songs

>>73273721
Yeah, I said that, same issues of the skill ceiling (can be bloody hard to play), but the skill floor (playing most popular songs) is dead easy compared to just about everything else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KgN-l3AjYE

>>73273800
Wank

> a rarity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1j1_aeK6WA

>>73267619
Probably replying to bait but the dude probably meant 16th note triplets

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>>73255810
>great opportunity to post drum machine
>posts worst soulless MPC
pic related, prolly the greatest of all time after the 808

>>73260420
fucking love Abe Cunningham. Other top pier drummers not mentioned in this thread yet IMO are Sara Lund (Unwound), Joe Easley (The Dismemberment Plan) and William Goldsmith (Sunny Day Real Estate)

>>73273134
>waaaaah, no one will have sex with me
I bet you're the type of faggot that bought an acoustic guitar just so you could play wonder wall in a park to get laid.
Why the fuck would you play an instrument if you don't like music? Kill yourself.

And if you're not a morbidly obese virgin, you can get laid as a drummer.

>>73255064
They're not, they all play death metal though.

there are plenty of good drummers, most of them don't play the kind of flashy stuff that you consider good. playing drums is about creating the groove and driving it with the bassist, not playing complicated rhythms or flashy stuff.

>>73273452
>>73273314
creating music isn't about showing off you jackasses it's about creating and sharing art with the world.

>>73260568
The rev is one of the most overrated drummers of the genre.

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>>73255117

>>73262690
Spot on man