/gg/ Guitar and Bass

is 28 yo too old to start playing seriously?

im not a total noob but too far away from being even an intermediate player

i know scales major minor harmonic pentatonic, most shit like that
most chord figures maj7 m7 ,triads etc

i've never played in a band


would it be feasible at my age to make a profession out of this?

>>73192084
Oh yeah, and check out the impulse response pack in the OP. I think most of them are based on stuff like Mesa Boogie cabs, but it doesn't hurt to try them out when they're free. What cabinet impulse you're using makes a much bigger difference for the tone than what amp sim you have.

>>73192124
not too old to play for fun, but good luck making a career out of it.

who are some non cancerous youtuber guitarists?

>>73192155
there is no such thing

>>73192139
but can i become good? i know even very good guitarists have a problem making a career out of it.

>>73192215
Yes of course you can.

>>73192215
you can be a fucking wizard if you want, but just because you can play like vai or srv wont mean much

Made my own 3-string blues slide guitar from an old toy guitar. What do you guys think? Prettige easy to learn:)

https://youtu.be/EIkzjPwfhUo

>>73192155
oncology 101 , who the hell refers to himself as a youtube guitarist and isn't a gooey mass of pulsating tumors?

Theory question that is really confusing me:

What the fuck is up with dominant 7th chords? Are they major or minor or what?

An example of what I mean: if I play 12 bar blues in G, and use the chords G7 (I), C7 (IV) and D7 (V), how come I can play over it using the G MINOR pentatonic scale, even though each of those three chords has a MAJOR third, and each of thirds are not found within the natural G minor scale?

>>73192234
>>73192231
what training times we takling about? can you become good on one hour per day? 4 hours per day? 8 hours per day?

how to get good expression besides good technique? Do i have to practice being expressive just like people practice technique?

or do i have to do drugs and have a mystical experience to have deep music? how to get poetry in my life? this seems like a really stupid question but i want to make touching music

>>73192245
....so you just put 3 strings on it? revolutionary my man

>>73192261
That is the very basic of blues.

From a classical point of view blues is objectively wrong, you CANNOT have a major and a minor third at the same time according to classical harmony.

In blues you can, the quick explanation to this is that it doesn't have to obey classical harmony, because its partly based on african music, which is obviously non european

>>73192266
jesus, store your turbo autism away for a second man. just practice and let it come to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGPyHQ2FSUQ

27:28

what is that hes doing with the guitar? is he playing an interval in particular?

What is the name of this chord?

Root
Minor third
Major third
b7

-----------
-----8----
-----7----
-----6----
-----7----
-----X----

>>73192509
A#dimMaj7/E

>>73192509
e7 b9

>>73192538
>>73192551

Never mind, it's a dominant 7th sharp 9

Thanks for nothing

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Hahahahha where that butthurt fag. I know youre reading this.

>>73192509
depends on tuning you fucking retard lmfao

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>>73192632
that shitty pic is always good for a laff m8.

>>73192124
Hello fellow anon, 28 year old here too and I just started from scratch last week. The first thing I'm doing when I get back from work is picking up the guitar, I'm fucking loving it. I'm managing not to let my age bring me down as the fact is I've had many opportunities to learn in the past and just couldn't be arsed, now I've actually got the drive and commitment for it I should seize the day and just go for it.

I don't really give a shit if I'm never going to be Leo Kottke, if I get to a stage where I can sing my favourite Bob Dylan songs and entertain a few people at a pub open mic night then I'd be chuffed.

>>73192785
mr pedal man, how to know in which order to put all the pedals? do you ever turn them all at once?

>>73192857
Let Mr. Vai give you an overly in depth lesson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djA3ZG3dHj0

I usually never run more than 3 simultaneously but you definitely need a noise suppressor or gate the further you go.

>>73192785
My wah is still better

>>73192895
I upgraded to a Dimebag model, it really does it all.

>>73192883
That video is kind of misleading since they're oriented opposite. Right to Left is the actual chain.

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>>73192895
>the wah that sits on your shelf and never touches your foot

>>73192917
Like what?

>>73192961
Das right fukkboi. And you aint got one. Enjoy your boss pedals dweeb

>>73192976
>Extended sweep for more high end with the pedal down or low end with pedal up
>5-way selector on the side
>Features a kick-in boost
>LED indicators inform you of status, even on darkened stages
>An extra input on the left lets you go in and out on the same side
>Adjustable volume boost (0 to +17dB)
>Adjustable Q control modulates frequency breadth

Literally everything

>>73192989
At least take a new picture for me next time

>>73192656
settle down big man

>>73193005
But do you really need all that? Mine just goes wah wah wah wah and it sounds great. I hope you use it to its full potential

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>>73193014
Alright. Internals

https://www.thomann.de/se/cioks_pussy_power.htm

Well this certainly is a thing

And while we're on the subject, what power supply is the best to get for someone who plans on starting a pedal board? Is it the best to just grab a Voodoo Pedal Power 2 Plus and not have to worry about it ever again?

>>73192656
Obviously the tuning is assumed to be standard, and then that would only determine the root note, which is irrelevant to the chord intervals which are always the same, you embarrassing, probably feminine-hipped faggot.

>>73193131
It's subjective but I use it all quite regularly, especially the boost and eq. The lights are nice to have to tell whether it's on or not.

>>73193177
dont bother replying anon, he probably cant hear you over his custom art (sharpied on) jazzmaster

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Why are you all so triggered by Chappers?

He's literally living the dream of every single one of you and you're jealous of him. He's just a regular ass guy, not super attractive, chubby, wears glasses, and plays guitar. All he did was start a youtube channel that lead him to becoming big enough to starting his own guitar company.
He gets to try every single piece of gear he wants at Andertons, tours with his band, and gets paid loads of money from youtube views, his company, touring and everything else.
All because he was some nerdy guitar enthusiast who started a youtube channel.

So you'll hate him, you'll talk shit on him. All because of jealousy.

>>73192629
>ungrateful bastard
You said the sharp 9 was the root. Nice mislead / save the day combo play.

>>73192656
lolwut? a minor third isn't a minor third if you change the tuning?

>>73193253

No, don't come at me like he's an elitist talking down to me. What he said was just incorrect, and showed a lack of basic theory knowledge. It WOULDN'T depend what tuning it was, the chord would still be a b7#9 regardless of the root note.

From what he said it looks like he thought "b7" referred to the note "B" rather than the interval flat seventh.

>>73193253
is possible to DIY top quality pedals?

>>73193305
he's a wanky noodler who really doesn't know shit about gear and overcharges for his memeworthy guitars.

>>73193311
>a minor third isn't a minor third if you change the tuning?
yes
welcome to harmony

>>73193334
if you have all the tools and a good knack for electronics. still gonna semi pricey and time intensive to clone the top shelf stuff.

>>73193353
what price reduction are we talking about? 50% the original?

>>73193305
me and my mate make jokes about him all the time, like we take the piss out of his phrasing and mimick his solos
> "haha was that the chappers scale"
> "check out my chapman tone"

but at the end of the day, as goofy as he is, hes a fairly good guitarist, hes a great business man and hes living the dream so i have nothi g but respect for him

>Building a bass guitar
>Attaching the tuning keys to the headstock
>Screws are way too small and the hole they're supposed to go into is too fucking tight
>End up stripping the last two while they're still halfway into the hole
How can I fix this? I don't have any extra screws.
More of a general DIY question but w/e

>>73193364
about that for a full kit, more depending on where you get your supplies and exactly what type of pedal you're going for.

>>73193323
anon im aware, im saying he wont agree, most people who use "lmfao" are not rational thinkers

>>73193343
No. You're playing visually. A minor third is always a minor third. Play with your ears! Just give the lobes a good tug.

>>73193387
Pilot holes exist. Drill with thin bits exist. Youre just retarded

>>73193368
>put on a clean tone - chappers
>sounds like my distorted tones

>>73193311
Oh shit you're right. My mistake.

The tab wasn't supposed to be in order to the intervals, I just wanted to know the "Hendrix chord"

Respect whether you already knew the b9 shape or just figured it out now

>>73193392
what is so time intensive about it?

isnt just following instructions and soldering components, how hard can it be?

>>73193420
Make us all one then

>>73193434
am i missing something here? how hard is it once you have all components, to just solder them all to the board? can't take more than an hour

>>73193387
cut the head off or use pliers

>>73193420
for the bigger pedals you're soldering possibly hundreds of components, all different sorts of transistors, capacitors, diodes, etc, each one with a specific spot. you give it a try and let us know.

>>73193444
you're talking out your ass asking questions about something you have never even read about and then saying lel its so easy. quit being a cunt

>>73193444
Like i said try it. Sure you can make some metal box with a switch that does some random shit to your guitar tone or you can try to make a high quality specific pedal. Where every component counts.

>>73192509
dominant 7th #9

>>73193516
>>73193486
>>73193470
are some components hard to find?

>faggots that knows nothing about electronics arguing with faggotd that act like they know about electronics
>faggots who know nothing about music theory arguing about chord names
>faggots pretending they know how to use tools
Most lulworthy thread in the last week. Keep it up boys

>>73193687
>faggots shitposting because they know even less
wew

>>73193154
Please respond

>>73193732
Pot, meet kettle

>>73193154
whatever fits your budget man, just do some research and make sure you're not gonna melt the thing. a 1spot daisy chain it's cheap and easy to use.

The same faggots who talk shit on Chappers are the same faggots that talk shit on Paul Reed Smith and his guitars

>>73192261
The chords themselves are major but like you can play major or minor over them because of the instability of the chord or something

Try hammering on/sliding from the minor third to the major third, that's quite a fun sound. Can work the other way too but not always.

It depends on the mood and tempo etc I don't fucking know

>>73193812
I'd rather just buy something high quality once instead of buying something cheap and having to replace it when I get a decent number of pedals. I'll probably start out with daisy chaining but I see people say it introduces a lot of noise and weakens the signal

>>73193323
Well technically, if the guitar was tuned in fifths or some bullshit slide guitar tuning the harmony would be different but this is just splitting hair at this point.

>>73194138
Makes sense, since they are both made in the same Korean factory (WMI). What's your point? That their detractors are consistent?

>>73193407
>plays over the captain loudly

So I'm a broke 19y/o and I currently play an old squier strat my dad gave me years ago, and I just got a nearly $600 check in the mail for who knows what reason and my birthday is coming up. My parents have offered to help me with the cost of a $800-$1000 guitar for my birthday, and I'm currently considering either the epiphone ES-175(Wes Montgomery used an ES-175 at times and I like his music) or MIJ/CIJ jazzmaster(my gf really wants me to get the jazzmaster cuz Elvis Costello and J Mascis both used one and she's a big fan of both, I also really like Sonic Youth which is a contributing factor to me wanting one)

Which guitar should I get and why?

>>73194699
Also I mostly like jazz, prog, and noise rock and will be going to school for music in the fall and taking some jazz-improv classes if that helps give more info as to what I should get.

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Is knobs the anti-cancer of guitar related youtubers? I sure think so but I'm fully prepared to be laughed out of this thread.

>>73194827
Youll be laughed out for other reasons skilless faggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyzagDLazqU&feature=youtu.be

what guitar is thom using there

>>73194849

Well, I'm glad you at least like what I like.

Embarrassing beginner question:

If I look up guitar tabs for a song like let's say Hardwired, then I suppose it would be for Hetfields playing except for the solo. So the question is what would the lead guy be doing outside of his solo part?

>>73194699
>>73194757

Very hard to say, as there's no right or wrong answer. Only you know what you truly want, so how about you just go with that? Plus you can always acquire more gear later.

>>73194899
a black fender telecaster deluxe

>>73194899
http://thekingofgear.com/thom/guitars

>>73194699
jazzmaster, epiphone is ok but if you have the option for a jap fender, grab that shit up

>>73194962
i remember asking myself this when i was 14, lead players play rhythm too, but they are more about the ''embelishments'' of the song, e.g lead lines, solos and fancy stuff, so kirk would do his solo but hed be playing everything else also

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https://youtu.be/OHfuai6u_e4?t=3m27s

Does anyone know what song guy is playing at 3 minutes and 27 seconds? I know he's playing Feel The Pain by Dinosaur Jr. before it, but that's not what it's from. The power chord bits sound a bit like Nirvana, but I doubt Kurt played anything like that.

I'm looking to get an affordable [spoiler]6 string bass[/bass] to play some tech death on

what are my options in the ~$600 range other than ibanez? ESP?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U_OYXqm3eY

how do you get this kind of ultra saturated fuzz sound, do i need a fuzz face or big muff? do i need to use a compressor for this? should i use some particular kind of amp for this?

>>73195614
What amps/pedals do you have already?

What is the Vox Pathfinder of bass? And don't say the Vox Pathfinder bass amp. Looking for a cheap but excellent sounding single speaker solid state bass amp that is small and not too loud. Preferably under $150 used.

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>>73195727
>excellent sounding single speaker solid state bass amp that is small and not too loud. Preferably under $150 used.

>>73195692
i want to do it with an audio interface and vsts, is it possible?

>>73195447
I'm in the same situation but I did some research.
It's pretty much either the Ibanez SR506, the ESP-LTD D-6 or the ESP-LTD B-206.
Schecter has some models but for some reasons I can't find any Schecter bass here. But they're part of ESP in a way so the quality should be comparable.
I think I'll go for the SR506, I tried one in a shop and it was very comfortable (aside from having kind of a heavy neck, but that's an usual issue with extended range), my friend has an SR505 and it's also really good.
Or I'll just spend more and get a BTB.

>>73195614
>>73195917
Sounds like an overdriven amp with a really greasy bass tone underneath, it doesn't sound that saturated. Cut off some treble with the tone knob on your guitar too, it should help too.

>>73196019
>Sounds like an overdriven amp with a really greasy bass tone underneath, it doesn't sound that saturated. Cut off some treble with the tone knob on your guitar too, it should help too.

so it can be achieved without a fuzz pedal?

can you reach that tone only with the amp?

>>73196169
Listening back, I don't think you can get the exact same tone without a fuzz.
You could get close by rolling down the tone knob and pushing your amp as much as possible to get more bass response but it's gonna lack that grindy kind of sound.

>>73196292
do you think its a fuzz face classic fuzz a big muff or some other?

>>73194993
>>73194994
is it custom made? the neck is hella long

>>73194962
leads do both. see a song like Bodysnatchers by Radiohead. Johnny will do some extra stuff but occasionally does what Ed does too.

>>73192085
Long time noodler here, I was checking some stuff out from justinguitar. I'm through the first part of the beginners course. My fingers are killing me, I never really had this problem before and is it possible to lose calloses on your fingers after time? I haven't played in about 5 years and just picked it up again.

>>73195917
Then the key to this sound will be to stack different layers of drive. Try running your guitar with the tone about 2/3 of the way up into the interface. Then do three tracks, one with a heavy overdrive, one with a heavy fuzz sound, and one with a light fuzz into a light overdrive. Pan left right and center and you should have a heavy ass guitar sound. Also play with the EQ a bit, try boosting the low-mids and cutting the high-mids and extreme lows.

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>>73196715
>is it possible for dead skin cells to be softened/replaced by new skin cells in 5 years?

>>73195447
>>73196019
Spend a little more and get a Cort A6 Plus. Skip the middleman and just buy from the manufacturer.

>>73194270
Real Paul Reed Smith guitars are made of the most exotic tonewoods in the world and assembled in the USA.

>>73196910
thank you internet stranger

>>73197000
Didn't know that, thanks. Guess I'm just going to have to build them up again.

>>73195614
Hey that's pretty cool, is that stoner rock?

>>73197032
If I'm spending that much I'm getting a BTB, I'd rather have the 35" scale, SS frets and 0 fret over the hipshot hardware.

>>73197257
don't over do it and get blisters on your finger tips
that shit sucks

>>73197261
yes, of the best kind, the one that comes from sweden, i recommend you listen to TRUCKFIGHTERS

that music makes me wanna grind a fuzz pedal and smoke it

what does /gg/ think of Brian May's wankery

hows this funny genre of 12bar blues called? /r/ albums on that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Wl4ioC_9U

how to wank like that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZz9UFqNPxk

>>73197337
I've done it before.

double bass is cool af
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMluffjGiZE

>>73197412
Truckfighters are tight, witchrider is a great qotsa ripoff too.

>>73198872
how to sound like those people? like, in term of gear, if i only have access to an audio board and no pedals, what is the closest i can get?

also what kind of music should i listen to play like that?

is it black sabbarth inspired? hendrix inspired? zepellin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d52OMdTsqcs

also how to get this tone

>>73197821
Learn Chet Atkins style, lots of tutorials on YouTube

cringe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qE4uMLbU90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d52OMdTsqcs

at 27:37? are those guitars doubled or is there some harmony going on?

if possible please what effects they usin too

Guys should I focus on learning how to wankering on my geetar?
I'm bored, and I stopped IRL wankering so I think I need some sort of wankering in my life

>>73199037
how do he manage to keep doing the bass line while playin any melody
https://youtu.be/i3ZMoymgqbU

seriously NEED a tremolo pedal

>>73199046
Wow, you weren't kidding. I thought Tony Levin was supposed to be good? Did he have a stroke?

>>73194699
Get an Eastman AR 372 instead, it's a better ES175 copy, the epiphone feels like shit

>>73199218
the guitars are doubled, the bass is playing harmony below it. pretty sure he's playing the third

and they're just using some type of distortion.

>>73199546
this is all like very basic stuff right?

>>73194827
I like them for actually using the pedals top their full potential , but I hate their presentation. Reminds me too much of "le quirky indie urban outfitters" aesthetic

>>73199561
sort of. that song isn't mixed to shit and i can tell what they're doing. some songs when i try to figure out harmonies and stuff like that i can't tell what the fuck is going on

>>73199586
but like, i wouldnt have to study for years to accomplish something similar, right?

>>73199606
not at all

>>73199606
Not if youre talented. Plebs would have to study though. Thats who music school is for. Musical plebs.

I'm buying a Boss Katana 50, fuck y'all

>tfw gf left me for a shredder
I though shredding was a meme...

>>73199639

I havent heard any whining on here but it looks good for a practice amp

>plebs are playing distortion rock from tabs while im playing patrician jazz from sheet music

>>73199790
>We found out this guy IRL is a faggot who wishes he was Sithu Aye dying alone in his bedroom

>>73199790
>he needs sheet music for jazz
>not playing fusion
>not playing progressive tech death on 7 strings by ear
Why are you bragging again?

>>73199845
>using tabs to learn qotsa
He's right tho. You people are plebs.

>>73199633
if im not talented im instantly a pleb? do you think the people in that recording are talenteds or plebs?

>>73199790
>playing patrician jazz from sheet music
haha HAHAHA
literally not getting to the point to jazz music

>>73199889
>Reading and playing jazz standards from sheet music
>Not developing an intrincate knowledge of harmony.
>Not using said knowledge to generate a self-developed harmonic framework.
>Not improvising long liquidy legato fusion lines a la Tom Quayle.
>Not using long, flowing sweep-tapped improvised lineslike Guthrie or Tony McAlpine

>>73200002
>using theory as a crutch
>having to actually learn harmony, and not just know it by listening to music
>harmonic framework
Pleb absolutely confirmed.

>playing jazz
>ever

jazz has been dead for 40 years, please let it go

>>73192124
You're good. It's never too late do what you love.

>>73199046
>hating on tony levin
You faggots have no shame

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>jazz "musicians" literally have to be on heroin to think jazz is good and takes skill

>>73200068
>using your ears
>not knowing by heart not only all of music theory but also physics so you can actually predict in your mind what is the resulting sound of any physical interaction

daily reminder that if you're a musician and you dont rip out your ears and eyes youre a pleb

>>73200198
jazz does take a lot of skill....but no one cares about jazz and no one listens to it anymore

>>73200078
every major player studied jazz

yes even your "oh so edgy hundred billion notes per minute" rock star that puts on a silly costume to cater to ignorant fucks like you,
yeah, even him, who you think "he looks so badass, surely he never studied something as lame as jazz, my dad listens to jazz and i hate my dad!, surely he just learned to play by riding a bike and banging chicks" even he probably had to suck a jazz guitar players dick to learn some of that dere sweet sweet ultra harmony tips

>>73200198
hold it there anon
there's jazz and there's Jazz
jazz formation is fucking amazing, so it's not about the jazz, it's what you do with it

>>73200198
haha we get it you arent a musician

>>73200136
He was so far out of time that he fell back into it.

Sounded like shit, dead notes too.

>>73200300
and here we see a 20 year old who is still going to music school and has borrowed over $60k because he wasn't good enough for a scholarship

>>73200561
if i told you how much of a big deal the school to which i have a full scholarship is you'd think its a joke

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>>73200589

>>73200602
seriosly, youd think i was just making shit up, it LITERALLY appears when you google "most prestigious music school"

and i aint posting no photos in this forum filled by child molesters and serial killers

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>>73200615

hey besides the obvious troll, does anyone here actually attend a music school?

why even bother studying music, most artists i like didn't even devote full time to their music they had full time jobs and shit and practiced on off hours

hell many of them had inspiration from their shitty life

>>73200635

Yes I hope to pay back my student loans with my Jazz career

>>73193305
this, hes a good guy

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>>73200670
>Jazz career

>>73200682
Go to bed rabea

>>73193305
what an asshole.

>bought jazzmaster
>had to re invest like $90 into it to fix bridge and strings since my newbie ass cant into repairs yet
>barely getting around to playing

capo recommendedations please

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>>73200949
I only have good experience with Kyser capos

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>>73200949
These shubb capos are better cause you can adjust the tension.

>>73193808
Kettle, meet pot