/jazz/ general

>Scott LaFaro started practicing bass at 18
What.

>>73177394
But he had a very musical background before that. Once you understand the theory it's really just about developing technique on the instrument.

Anyway, it's all about the hours you put in. If you can get 6 hours of practice a day, you can get good pretty quickly.

Jazz pleb here. Been listening to a lot of Cecil Taylor and some essentials like Blue Train and Black Saint and the Sinner Lady. I feel like it's starting to click. Well, as much as it can without learning the theory behind it. It's been a couple of years of dipping my toes into jazz (as well as classical), and I think it's starting to pay off.

How would you guys recommend learning theory?

>>73178077
Get a keyboard if you don't have one. A cheap midi keyboard will work if you're just using it for theory.

First make sure you understand how music is notated, then start with intervals, then Major/Minor scales, then major/minor triads, then other triads and 7th chords.

Once you feel good about those you can start looking at key signatures, circle of 4ths and Roman numeral analysis, then practice a lot of Roman numeral analysis until it becomes second nature.

There are a lot of free online resources covering all of those things.

>>73178588
I'm into putting in the hours but how long do you think it will take?

>>73178647
I'd say maybe 100 hours, if you use your time efficiently. You can divide that up however you want.

But bear in mind that that doesn't include time actually developing technique on an instrument, which is the most time consuming thing. That's just the pure theory, and a bit of ear training, assuming you play the examples on the keyboard as well as writing them out.

And all the stuff I mentioned above is really just the fundamentals of theory. You can go quite a bit deeper than that into theory, and that stuff is basically just the prerequisites for something like jazz theory.

>>73178813
Any "cheap midi keyboard" you would recommend to learn this stuff in?

>>73178935
Doesn't really matter, you're just using it to be able to hear and see the basic scales and chords. Alternatively you can just get one of those cheap plastic keyboards.

Unless you want to actually play piano, then definitely don't get a midi keyboard. Get a real keyboard with weighted keys.

>>73179038
does learning theory actually even change how you listen o jazz? i thought that was a meme

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>>73177343

Any good solo albums that are not piano?

>>73182009
Joe Pass - Virtuoso

>>73179592
Yes and no. Mostly no I guess. Just studying pure theory won't really change much about how you listen to jazz. Theory plus some intensive ear training might change it a little bit, but the things that will actually change how you listen to jazz are actually playing jazz yourself, and actively listening to a LOT of jazz. Not even necessarily a lot of different jazz, because relistening is important in being able to pick up on everything that's going on in jazz.

>>73182477
Was just about to rec this

>>73177343
bought a new henry threadgill sextet record at the jazz record center in NY. going to have a first listen tonight. im pretty excited.
>>73178077
get a teacher if you can afford it.
>>73182009
Reggie workman- the works or workman
>>73179592
theres a difference between theory and ear training.

>>73183396
also barre phillips- journal violone

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rolled this album in a thread from yesterday and it was fantastic, totally rec it

Any jazz with a lot of electric guitar in it?

>>73183802
Paul Motian Trio- One Time Out

>>73183770
Why are these albums with terrible cover art so popular in /jazz/?

>>73183908
cause its a label that releases a lot of pretty good modern jazz. the label definitely has a sound so if you dont like some of it then it might not be for you but theres definitely some stuff. plus jazz has bad covers cause they know the nerds that buy it dont care. look at some steeplechase covers.

>>73183908
They're all on the same record label criss cross. Jazzthreadguy is always reccing their stuff so I guess it's caught on.

you guys wanna hear 4 bassists and a percussionist in 1971, and it really doesnt suck.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnzH5yGbws

What happened to that guy who was posting in every jazz thread that used to play with William Parker ?

>>73184355
thats me, been posting anonymously. i didnt used to play with him. i hopefully will be in the fall. why? i wasnt posting for awhile cause life got very busy. should be dying down now. saw william player in ny on thursday with taborn, cleaver, and darius jones.

>>73184411
I was just wondering. It seems like all the threads have been dead recently.

>>73184431
yeah im really sorry about that. i was posting again for awhile and then went on tour without my computer. i went to jazz record center of ny and got an ECM album with Andrew Cyrille, Bill Frisell, Ben Street, and someone of synths. its great, came out last year.

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>>73177343
kinda normie-tier but good nonetheless

>>73184411
>>73184468
Hey since you're a bassist what are some of your favorite bass-heavy albums?

>>73184693
sorry to ask, but define bass heavy...

>>73184748
just any album where the bass playing is a major highlight

Matana Roberts - COIN COIN Chapter One: Gens de couleur libres

Most bluesy jazz i've heard in a while, it's also pretty fucking good.

>>73177343
WHY IS MONK SO GOOD FFFAAAAA

>>73184644
KoB is a great album and I'd really wonder about any so called "jazz fan" who doesn't think so

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>>73183908
>>73184052

>>73184956
The only good Miles Davis album. And that's because half of it was written by other people.

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>>73185005
you've never heard any of his "second quintet" albums have you?

>>73185091
Stop it. I've heard Birth Of The Cool, Bitches Brew, Bitches Brew Live, In A Silent Way, Kind Of Blue, Live-Evil and Miles Smiles, enough to form a fucking opinion on the piece of shit. The only thing i've heard that interested me was Kind Of Blue.

Everything else he's done to me just meanders on and on without ever coming to a meaningful conclusion. It all feels like a jam-band with a bunch of amazing musicians that have literally zero chemistry together, they're just jerking off over eachothers playing.

>>73184764
oh geez...thats still a pretty tough question. right off the top of my head i would reccomend the free jazz trio AIR, i think the playing is pretty evenly split between the three members and Fred Hopkins is fantastic. Also steve lacy trio- the Window. Jean Jacques Avenel's solos are beautiful. Thats just what ive been listening to as bass studies recently.

>>73185172
>It all feels like a jam-band with a bunch of amazing musicians that have literally zero chemistry together, they're just jerking off over eachothers playing.
oh so you just don't get jazz? anyway listen to sketches of spain.

>>73184693
not him but: Ray Brown Trio- Soular Energy

want to get into jazz
do any of you have a flowchart for absolute beginners or something like that

>>73184141
>>73183546
also these and the workman album here >>73183396

>>73185360
I forgot to list Sketches aswell, listened to it. It was just as bad as the rest.

And please get off your high horse. I've listened to literally hundreds of jazz albums and like a great majority of them, it's just Miles Davis i don't like. I just don't feel like there's any emotion in any of his music. It's all just bland as shit.

>>73185580
>I just don't feel like there's any emotion in any of his music. It's all just bland as shit.

Do you have any actual criticisms of his music or are you one of those people who just uses subjective buzzwords to try to justify their edgy contrarian opinions?

>>73185879
I just wrote

>Everything else he's done to me just meanders on and on without ever coming to a meaningful conclusion. It all feels like a jam-band with a bunch of amazing musicians that have literally zero chemistry together, they're just jerking off over eachothers playing.

in >>73185172. You on the other hand have only been calling me names so far.

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>>73185457

>>73185580
>Sketches of Spain

>>73185975
>It all feels like a jam-band with a bunch of amazing musicians that have literally zero chemistry together, they're just jerking off over eachothers playing.
You're joking right?

Pro-tip: There is a difference between "hearing" and "listening".

>>73185975
>Everything else he's done to me just meanders on and on without ever coming to a meaningful conclusion. It all feels like a jam-band with a bunch of amazing musicians that have literally zero chemistry together, they're just jerking off over eachothers playing.
you don't think that's really any better do you?

>>73186027
thanks, dude

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anyone know this one?

"Hip Hop set drumming back 200 years and Wayne Shorter couldnt walk bar"
-Joe Chambers 2016

>>73187050
>Wayne Shorter couldnt walk bar
What does this mean

What does /Jazz/ think of Benny Goodman? I don't listen to much Jazz but I have a bunch of random records and I like him

>>73178647
To do what? Understand basic stuff like intervals and chords and keys won't take long. It's really not that hard, most people who struggle with it aren't trying very hard.

>>73179592
No it won't. After a decent amount of ear training you'll start recognizing certain chord progressions in the music from time to time, like a ii V I. But beyond noticing stuff like that it doesn't change much. Understanding music form will affect how you listen. How and why certain thing happen will make a lot more sense. Playing jazz will change how you listen to it too.

>>73184956
I'm a jazz fan, but I really don't enjoy listening to that record. I wouldn't dispute it's greatness, but it's just long and kinda boring. Flamenco sketches is a shitty tune and All Blues can be so boring.

>>73185172
>It all feels like a jam-band with a bunch of amazing musicians that have literally zero chemistry together, they're just jerking off over eachothers playing.

You feel that way about the second quintet? They were one of the most cohesive bands ever.

>>73187595
idk if this is what he means, but back in the 50's (idk how long this lasted) sax players in R&B bands would sometimes getting up on top of the bar and "walk the bar" and play really frenzied and move around a bunch while soloing. It was considered kinda embaressing and a pop thing to do that a serious musician wouldn't do. Coltrane was doing it (because he had to) once and some jazz cat he looked up to came in and he immediately stopped and was very embarrassed.

>>73179592
Yes definitely, but other anon was right that it comes primarily from playing jazz

>>73188017
He was wrong about a fundamental understanding of chords not affecting how you listen to jazz. That's ridiculous. Players lead your ear, and the more you understand the language of harmony the more you understand the jazz you listen to. All people can appreciate complex jazz, but the reason a lot of people say it sounds like noise is because they literally have no idea what's going on and why it sounds good.

https://youtu.be/KO4EEx8-SEU?list=PL5Lq8qzSE6N2JtfQm9c2VXCCxv4HmVRQ-
Fave miles album, one of my favorites jazz records

>>73186152
>>73186044
Just because you disagree with my opinion doesn't make it any less valid. I perfectly explained why i don't like his music, but you got your head so far stuck up your ass that you don't want to hear any negative things about your fucking messiah.

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>>73177343
Was listening to pic related last night. Solo Cecil can be so captivating. He's got a strong personality in his playing and brings the music to some powerful places given all that space to develop melodic ideas, pace and tone by himself. Love hearing free music by someone who knows what they're doing.

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Any other good recent releases?

>>73191850
https://rateyourmusic.com/collection/jazzthreadguy/strm_relyear,ss.rd/2017

>>73186701
I listened to it last night and its really really good.

>>73191850
That looks good, how is it? What were your thoughts?

>>73192922
I've only given it one kinda inattentive listen but I liked it. Good chemistry between musicians and pleasantly less fusiony than other albums I've heard by Bill.

>>73191850
I liked this one - a bit of a return to form for Frisell IMHO

been listening to Verneri Pohjola's Pekka which is great, Peter Brötzmann/Heather Leigh - Sex Tape which is interesting because it's pretty subdued for Brötzmann which makes it more interesting than most of his stuff, Peter Evans/Mats Gustafsson/Agusti Fernandez - A Quietness of Water, nice free jazz from two blowers known for making unconventional noises and afro-beat legend drummer Tony Allen's tribute EP to Art Blakey which is a little hit and miss

all of those are on Spotify

eagerly awaiting the Ambrose Akinmusire album coming out on Friday

>>73195013
theres a new ambrose record coming out? also, how so is the ecm duo record with morgan a return to form? what form? haha

>>73190890
Ok, I'll bite. Could you give some examples of some of your favorite jazz records?

Was La la land right? Is Jazz dead?

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This legendary album right here, is a gem

Improvisations - Ran Blake, Jaki Byard

>>73196215
/jazz/ is dead

I don't know how to make a constructive post concerning this music, but I want the general to survive.

>>73196148
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady
Art Tatum - 20th Century Piano Genius
John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert
Bobby Timmons - This Here Is Bobby Timmons
Satoko Fujii - Toward, "TO WEST"
Charles Lloyd - Forest Flower: Live in Monterey
Charles Mingus - The Clown
Chick Corea & Hiromi Uehara - Duet
Dollar Brand - African Space Program
The Don Ellis Orchestra - Electric Bath
The Human Arts Ensemble - Live Vol. I
John Coltrane - Afro Blue Impressions
Matana Roberts - Coin Coin Chapter One: Gens De Couleur Libres
Pharoah Sanders - Live At The East
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - Live In Paris, 1970 Vol. 2
Thelonious Monk - Monk In Tokyo

That about sums up the type of jazz i do like.

>>73186027
gerry mulligan's night lights is so fucking good

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so ... this is the power ... of regular church attendance

>>73197279
you can never kill an idea

>>73196215
It's dead commercially and culturally, but as an art form it's just as healthy as it's ever been.

>The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.
Is it true?
Are Duke Ellington and Coltrane the best jazz artists?

>>73197509
>>73197438
you guys misunderstand me, lol
the thread /jazz/, the /jazz/ general, is dead.

>>73197528
The 'Big 5' are:

Louis Armstrong
Duke Ellington
Charlie Parker
Miles Davis
John Coltrane

Coltrane and Ellington aren't really any more or less important than the other three.

What's fun is to argue about who numbers 6-10 are.

>>73197509
Artists like Kamasi Washington are making it relevant again by asociating themselves with the "relevant" artists of today, rappers and hip hop people.

>>73197656
Dave Brubeck and Keith Jarrett

>>73197731
It's a shame they can't seem to do it without sacrificing artistry.

>>73197765
I would disagree with Jarrett, Brubeck is a maybe...

I think Monk, Mingus, and Ornette Coleman are definitely in the 6-10 spots. And then I think you could make a decent argument for Dizzy Gillespie, Clifford Brown, Sonny Rollins, Elvin Jones, Herbie Hancock, or Wayne Shorter to be in the other two slots. You could maybe argue Brubeck.

>>73197656
Charlie Parker washed dishes for a year in a restaurant because Art Tatum had a residence there. The day Art Tatum quit, Charlie Parker quit too. I really believe people underestimate the influence Art Tatum has had on jazz.

>>73197770
Considering Washington made a three hour long album i don't think he compromised on anything.

>>73198012
Quantity and quality are not the same thing.

>>73197656
>What's fun is to argue about who numbers 6-10 are.
Off top my head,
Bix Beiderbecke
Jelly Roll Morton
Bill Evans
Thelonious Monk
Charles Mingus

Maybe you could switch out Evans and Morton with someone else.

>>73197286
I like a lot of these albums as well. What would you say it is that you like about these albums, if you had to choose some qualities (they don't have to be necessarily present in all of them, just things you like about them)?

>>73198112
Pharoah Sanders, John Coltrane, Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Matana Roberts and Charles Lloyd all have this way of saxophone playing that's balls out, no compromises. Just after listening to the intro on example You've Got To Have Freedom by Pharoah Sanders you know it's gonna be a wild ride. They're playing more the notes they feel like playing and less the notes they should be playing.

>>73195013
>eagerly awaiting the Ambrose Akinmusire album coming out on Friday
I didn't know about this but it sounds like it's going to be good. I like Akinmusire's playing but I haven't liked any of his studio albums that much.

>>73177343
>>73183729
The fuckin man himself tearing it up. A solid performance and sounds superb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5arK5GWXG4

>>73198484
>They're playing more the notes they feel like playing and less the notes they should be playing
cringey

Is Michel Petrucciani too degenerate for /mu/?

>>73197656
monk, mingus, rollins, Ornette in no particular order.

>>73197770
this.
>>73198012
just because its long doesnt mean anything. his playing lackluster to say the least, derivative licks that arent even from serious jazz music, poor time feel, tone, poor listening, and a general lack of harmonic understanding. its just not a good record in the jazz world.

jazz bump

I just found christian scott's stretch music, awesome album, very broad and interesting music. And I happen to be seeing him soon on the same day as christian mcbriide and herbie hancock (for the first time!) I'm very excited!

I dare you to name 5 female jazz muscians, GO!

>>73200718
carla bley, susie ibarra, nicole mitchell, tomeka reid, dorthy ashby. i can keep going man.

>>73200892
Any albums by those middle three that you would recommend?

Can someone rec me albums/singles with great bass performances?
I'm looking for inspiration.

where is jazzthreadguy

>>73201068
well susie ibarra was the drummer for the david s ware quartet for a period of time. id reccomend Ware's- Go See the World and the first four tracks on Ware's- Live in the World. Nicole Mitchell and Tomeka Reid are both members of the AACM, i had heard of them but wasnt familiar with their discographies but i was them play in a trio with another AACM drummer last thursday and it was amazing. Tomeka recently came out with her debut, which has another fantastic female musician Mary Halvorson on guitar. Nicole Mitchell's- Vision Quest is very good. Her and Tomekas trio "Artifacts" came out with an album in 2015 as well.

>>73201208
like upright or electric bass?

>>73201308
Both are fine.
I play electric bass but I want to get into upright too.

>>73201251
P sure he just posts as anon now

>>73201334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_bq5Q7n6nU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm7TuF5LhpU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkBx9TG-iTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ASsiXtaj4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-BHXIhsbw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EmPoakrg28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT6awGkbSfM
>>73201334
I dont have time to compile my lis of favorite bass performances or anything though i would like to make a chart or something for it one day. heres a bunch of jimmy garrison shit, some of my favorite ever, no question. ive transcribed the bass intro to my favorite things from live at the vanguard again. also is a video with jean jacques avenel, mark dresser, and steve swallow. im not much of an electric guy and even less of a fan of the electric solo-y guys, besides jaco. most of my favorite electric playing is in either reggae or motown and rnb.

Sonny Sharrock. Dunno how famous this guy is but I had never heard of him (have only been listening to jazz for 2 years). Found out about him a couple of days ago and it has blown me away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-b6x69P5og

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bump cause i was shedding "if you could see me now" today

>>73197656
Hard to argue with that top 5 list.

I think Prez is really a close 6th though.

Any good uses of a bowed instrument in jazz?

>>73203300
Stephane Grappelli was a violin player who used to play with Django a lot.
I know there some records where Mingus and Paul Chambers take arco solos. Ron Carter also does that on some records, some of which are on cello

>>73177343

I like to sleep to Sun Ra's album "Visions" with Walt, whose material as leader I've never checked out, but will. I've always enjoyed the Milt Jackson material with Trane.

Is there something interesting happening these days?
I can only listen to KoB and Giant steps so many times

>>73177343
My Sax teacher got me into sunny Stitt glad he did

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll8PEoblgHo

Thoughts on Dave Holland?

>>73204545
Rudresh Mahanthappa, Steve Lehman, Vijay Iyer

>>73205251
Genius

>>73205251
He's a great player and a pretty good composer.

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bump

I hope that jazz threads will become regular

>>73184764
ornettes science fiction of course

>>73187050
the funniest and ironic thing is that walking the bar is pretty fucking hip hop, not to mention that hip hop is some of the most sonically adventurous popular music there is.

joe who?

>>73198628
it wasnt so bad.

hey other guy, go back to kind of blue and just map out who is the sax soloist on each part....then go dig up some cannonball

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Bumping

I watched the documentary "I called him Morgan" a couple weeks ago which inspired me to listen to pic related. Pretty cool movie and pretty cool album.

Could someone recommend some jazz for me so I can become acquainted with the genre?

I've recently realized I like a lot of bebop and Carla White's stuff, but I don't know what sub-genre she belongs to.
Here's a link as an example of what sort of jazz I enjoy/am looking for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M6nPqWIbQM

>>73206684
i think he was trying to say that wayne didnt have enough grease, or blues, or groove or something. but yeah he quit drums cause of hip hop

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bump with some George Benson from back when he didn't suck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB4mOhCr17Y

>>73203300
Ray Nance (one of Ellington's trumpet players) played violin on some records. Jaki Byard released an interesting album called Jaki Byard with Strings which has Ray on violin and Ron Carter on Cello - maybe check that out.

The one of the earliest uses of cello in a modern jazz group was Chico Hamilton's early quintet, which is great. A later version of it had Eric Dolphy on reeds and he copied the instrumentation (sometimes without the guitar) on some of his earlier albums.

The String Trio of New York is a really interesting group from the late 70's, with guitar, bass and violin.

>>73197528
Scaruffi says a lot of stupid shit, even just in that one paragraph, but the idea that Duke Ellington wasn't mega popular is just fucking retarded.

>>73197656
FWIW this is my top 7:

1. Satch
2. Duke
3. Bird
4. Miles
5. Ornette
6. Trane
7. Monk

After that it's too close to call.

>>73185172
>no Round About Midnight

...

>>73200718
Alice Coltrane, Mary Lou Williams, Jutta Hipp, Irène Schweizer, Abbey Lincoln

>>73187050
Joe Chambers is one of my favourites, but it's a shame he feels that way about hip hop. I know there's been a fashion for hip hop influenced drumming in jazz and it can be quite stale but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good innovation originally.

>>73211774
eh, for a jazz guy i really dont like hip hop. something like questloves drumming on dangelos voodoo is clearly some serious shit but i dont think he was talking about that. i think he meant like the stuff on biggie smalls records at best and at worst like the kind of drumming youd hear on a shitty drake song or something.

>>73206608
Rolling

>>73201625
Hey Nuff Nuff, how would you recommend going about learning the acoustic bass? Like what's a good bass to start playing with?

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I have listened to a lot of later Mingus ("Au Um" up to about "Changes One & Two") previously, but today discovered what might wind up as my favorite, from 1954... "The Jazz Experiments of Charlie Mingus". Right from the start I dig the way the percussion was recorded. Through phones you're there. But the ultimate kicker for me was running up on John LaPorta's melodicism on "Spur of the Moment". I've now got the only three albums of his I could find on the SoulSeek network. Also, as far as I know, this is the first I've ever heard Teo Macero as a player, which was melodically impressive as well. There's a lot about this album I can't put into words, I just love the shit out of it.

another bump

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>>73213417
well, im not sure what your asking. are looking for a good beginner bass or like how to begin playing the bass? if its the first question thats pretty easy, rent a bass from the best luthier in your area, i can reccomend some places if you wanna tell me what part of the country your in. also borrowing from a friend is always good if you know any upright players in your area, one of them will probably be happy to loan you their back up for a small price. if you need to buy one i suggest a shen sb80, its about 1500usd but buy from someone who knows how to set one up, back to finding or knowing a good luthier. be ready to drive awhile to pick it up, theres not many. as for begining to study the upright bass, well i suggest simandls bass method book to learn technique and i would suggest spending equal time on technique, applied harmonic study, time feel, and ear training. if your serious about it the start with about 2 hours of practice spread throughout the day with no days off. eventually you work into a routine, mine is practicing about 3 to 7 hours a day depending on if i have a gig and pretty rare days off during the summer, more frequent ones when i have classes.

>>73216832
I live in PA, do you know any good luthiers there?

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>>73213417
also if at all possible find a very good teacher from the beginning. music isnt learned through a classroom full of people or through being a loan wolf who has a bunch of method books. the only way to really learn music is through strict study with a master that you respect, just like martial arts. like to two pic related.

>>73216832
Hey so you must know David Wong right? How do you feel about his playing/him as a person?

>>73216923
yes man, fucking Mike Shank, hes is the best, i repeat THE BEST. a lot of the guys from NYC come down to him when they need work done. he should be able to hook you up. i have an appointment with him soon being a PA resident myself. hes in elizabethtown.

>>73184644
I would have to agree with >>73185172 up to a point. Kind of Blue is a flawed masterpiece. While So What and Blue in Green are classics, other songs are for the most part forgettable. I was also extremely disappointed by In a Silent Way. I expected a fusion of Bohren & Der Club of Gore's Sunset Mission and Kind of Blue and it was underwhelming and unable to establish any kind of atmosphere for me.

>>73216941
ill start by saying that David Wong was my first real serious, good teacher and still is my teacher. ive been studying with him on a weekly basis for two years. He is really a good friend of mine honestly, we usually hang when im in Ny over the summer or something. He is a really really nice guy, honestly, i mean i love the hell out of the guy, cant say enough good things about him as a person. So, his playing. whatever you wanna say about it the guy is an absolute moooonster of a bassist, his time, intonation, harmony, walking lines, melodic sense, tone, is always, im not shitting you 100% air tight perfect. he does not make mistakes. Artistically me and him kinda obviously have some differences. he is very straight ahead and came from a classical background at juilliard. that being said, if i want to listen to and appreiciate a player in the modern today with an intense understanding of bebop and hard bop then he is the guy in my opinion. however, i dont know if he has the most original sound. our lessons are great, im always inspired by his knowledge and just shear ability on the instrument and he usually comments on my discipline creativity, and passion. He loves all the free jazz stuff i do and is very supportive though not very helpful, thats why i also study with Ben Schachter and William Parker when i can.

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>>73216832
i always forget to turn my tripcode back on after not posting in /jazz/.

>>73217093
Interesting, I've heard him play a few times and talked to him very briefly once and I thought he seemed like a cool guy and I'm always pretty impressed when I hear him live. It's always good to study with guys who have flawless technique and understand the historical styles inside and out, as well as the guys who challenge you creatively. He's only in his mid 30's or something right? I can't think of any records that I've heard him on though. Are there any that you think he sounds good on?

>>73217172
yeah hes a real cool guy. i do believe hes in his mid to later 30's. he also draws a lot of female attention whenever hes on campus haha and hes a tall son of a bitch. hes also a good source for stories since he plays with roy haynes, the heath bros, and steve khun haha. well, lets see, hes on benny greens new album but i havent heard it yet, benny plays too many notes for me. hmm, i also like him on this one dick oattes records, Lookin Up. also any of the Vangaurd orchestras records since he joined are cool, the made a live in tokyo one a few years ago. i really dont buy too many records in the vain he plays in, but i see him live a pretty good amount.

>>73216924
What would you recommend if you can't find a teacher?

>>73218085
thats it, you gotta find a teacher. sorry man, theres kinda no other way in my opinion. you dont have to study every week but once a month you might have to drive an hour or two and pay 50 to 100 bucks.

Anyone have any favorite releases from this year leaning towards the free improvisation side of things? Enjoying Astral Spirits' latest batch and Matthias Müller's solo trombone; on the fence about Will Guthrie's People Pleaser; not seen much interesting come out from otoroku other than the Aine O'Dwyer LP reissue from last year.

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>>73218668
I'm going to disagree and say it's possible to get a pretty good start without a teacher. I met a kid this year who is 17 who has the technical abilities of like a pretty good undergrad junior or senior. He hadn't taken any lessons since he was twelve and he told me he never did any jazz stuff in the lessons anyway. He said he just transcribed a ton of Sonny Rollins and Eddie Lockjaw Davis solos and figured out the theory and stuff himself. He said he's played st some jam sessions before but he doesn't like it and he just plays with playalongs.

His playing doesn't really have any character or personality, but I think that would come pretty easy if he had a good teacher and if he did a lot more listening.

So I definitely think it's possible to get a good start on your own if you're a self-motivated learner, especially with all the technology and resources available.

I suppose upright bass is a little more difficult since hand technique plays such a big role... but I'd still think it's possible.

>>73217093
I've seen him at the Vanguard a few times with the house band. He really is nuts, I'm always blown away by how perfect his intonation is.

>>73219059
thats fuckin weird.
>>73220045
yeah, and just his time and everything is pretty amazing. like i said, certainly not the most adventurous or creative player, but just a fuuuucking monster on the bass like his facility is perfect. i also like how he totally could play really fast, obnoxious like john pattatuci licks or some shit but he never does, very disciplined.

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>>73218968
yeah, just go on matt shipps website or something, he came out with like 9 records this year and theyre all pretty good. pic related is a favorite of mine. also william parker put out a duo bass record. thats all i can think of off the top of my head.

>>73177343
Guy named Marc Cary - found him by total accident. He's neat, although he made one "electronic jazz" album that was sorta meh