Is Beethoven's 9th the apex of Western Music? Why? Why not?

>>73175772
7th > 9th

I love classical music but Beethoven bores the piss out of me. His music in general is way too heavy on motifs for me, and it seems melodramatic. It might have something to do with how ubiquitous his shit is in western culture.

As far as I'm concerned, the value of the 9th is in the works that it influenced, rather than how good it is in itself. You can hear echoes of the 9th throughout the Romantic period, but I prefer to listen to a lot of those works instead.

Kunst Der Fugue is better

>>73175772
No, it's Der Hölle Rache.

>>73176072
>His music in general is way too heavy on motifs for me, and it seems melodramatic
It's okay anon, you're just aren't ready for him.

>>73175772
>Why not?
Because it isn't the 5th piano concerto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDXWK3W477w

>>73176072
>it seems melodramatic
i think hes very precise and expressive with what he does, melodramatic sounds like faking an emotion greater than it is, i dont see that in his work.

>>73175772
Yes. Each movement is the pinnacle of what it expresses: the 1st is the most colossal, towering piece of glacial drama. The 2nd is the height of mania, endless repetition without being boring. The 3rd is an unmatched celestial sweetness. Then the 4th is the spiritual climax and culmination of all humanity.

>>73176801
>not ready for babby's first classical

>Western Music
He was german, dumbass

>>73178545
Dude if you are gonna bait at least try to not make it super obvious.

>>73178545
all of Europe is the West, boi

>>73178129
is this ironic

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Ahem.

>>73178737
Are you ironic?

>>73178760
1. This isn't Western
2. It's shit

>>73178737
>anon needs the /mu/ hivemind to tell him whether some music can be enjoyed unironically or not
the absolutely sorry state of /mu/.

>>73178767
post I replied to was embarrassingly pretentious

>>73178807
>assuming all that shit

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>>73178793
>America isn't the west

>>73178521
>a good classical piece must be obscure
Typical /mu/ drone mentality.

literally everyone itt is a loathsome pseud
including me

also am I the only one who thinks that the 4th movement lasted far too long?

>>73178850
Niggers aren't Western.

>>73178816
You merely have no taste.

>>73178901
Never listen to Mahler.

>>73178895
now this is podracing

>>73178878
nice straw man, buddy

Is Schoenberg obscure?
Is he babby's first classical?

>>73178940
I was talking about the anon's purple-as-fuck description of the music, not the music itself

>>73178915
Cool, neither are the Spanish or Italians

>>73179086
>mediterraneans are the same as niggers
Are all americans this fucking stupid?

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Guah! Beethoven dwellers often suffer from an astonishing lack of fantasy... Easily analogue to a big gaping h o l e. I love beethoven, but theres no doubt who gets the edge between him and HIM.

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>>73178704
hmmm doesn't say that on the map

>>73179131
Race as a definitive caste trait was invented by the rising bourgeoisie to keep the proletariat from uniting and claiming their rightful place as the rulers of the world.

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>>73179202
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

classical music is gay.

>>73179028
>2 lines
That's not purple.

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>>73179261
something funny anon?

Schubert

>>73179298
go back the death grips containment thread

>>73179329
why are you intent on misunderstanding
did I hurt your ego

>>73179547
If you think that was purple prose you don't know what purple prose is, probably because a 3 paragraph 4chan post is the longest thing you've read in months.

>classical
Didn't Lou Reed die so we wouldn't have to listen to this shit?

>>73179372
Boring.

>>73179785
>he's never listened to D 959

>>73179692
"Purple prose is the name given to writing — or, well, prose– that’s just too flowery and too melodramatic for its own good. In other words, just way too much."

if you don't think the post was flowery and melodramatic, you're delusional

>>73181773
It was one fucking sentence per movement you retard, you probably think anything that uses more than one adjective to describe something is purple because your descriptive vocabulary is limited to the words "faggoty" or "epic".

>>73182264
one flowery and melodramatic sentence per movement

>>73175772
no, Beetoven wasn't the greatest