/classical/

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why is Schumann so good lads

remember what happened when someone put beyonce in op
haha
imagine if it won't happen when you put penises in op
what would it mean?

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>i listen to classical music

>>73169541
DELET

Writing a multimovement piano piece, originally intended to be a sonatina but the movements are just too big for that.
Currently I'm on the 3rd movement (out of 4, in a symphony pattern rather than sonata).

I have two possibilities for 3rd movements I've made the mistake of putting equal work into, and can't decide.
>light, courtly minor scherzetto that fits nicely in aesthetic with the other two movements
>but isn't quite energetic enough to provide needed contrast
and
>bombastic thing that provides precisely that needed contrast with 2nd mvt while also connected motivically to 1st
>but for some reason it demands that it be modal rather than functionally tonal like the other two, and all attempts to change v-is to V-is just sound forced (secondary dominants sound perfectly fine, though).

What should I go with? I'd try to write something with the desired aspects of both, but I fear that would just result in three possibilities competing for attention instead of two.

>>73169541
Louis CK has good taste

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Post old memes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Blf8Y527DY
how do i play like this

>>73171073
practice piano instead of browsing /mu/

>>73171073
>rubato that autistic
good for him

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anyone r8 my classical chart? it's a work in progress. recs pls

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>>73171073
>3:43

holy fuck
pic not related

>>73171744
you listen to memes

>>73171884
all music is memetic
stupid anon u fuckin meme dip

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>>73171073
this shit makes me want to kill old people. this shit is fuckin amazing and these old people dont care. plebs

>>73171951
is this bait

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Orff isn't considered a good composer by anyone who is able to listen to a piece of music longer than Bohemian Rhapsody, is he?

>>73169475
>that picture
Christ that's a blast from the past

>>73172160
Nazis like him

>>73172160
Don't think I've ever looked at his oeuvre beyond Carmina Burana to the point that I couldn't name any other piece he wrote

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>>73171744
replace Bach with pic related

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>>73171744
replace Haydn with pic related

>>73174546
>replace one terrible AoF performance with another

>>73171744
>>73159464
you're welcome

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>>73169541
>i don't listen to classical music because i have no attention spam

>>73174294
Carmina Burana is the only notable thing he had ever written is why

anybody know where i should look to find more hymn type music? like heyr himna smiður type music?

I have about 7 or 8 recordings of Die Zauberflöte scattered on my computer, and every time I play the overture to figure out which one it is, I end up wanting to hear the whole thing. Is this a natural thing to do, or is Die Zauberflöte just that good of a work? Or am I just a strange person?

>>73175914
You are definitely a monstrous weirdo.

>>73169967
How can we possibly tell you without knowing what the music sounds like?

>>73169967
Sounds a bit like Liszt's concerto #1, have a listen to that to help you make your mind up

>>73169967
the obvious choice is to make it crescendo from the ideas of the first bullet to the second
also if it's too big to be a sonata then orchestrate it into a symphony

>>73171951
they probably know exactly what they are listening to, and have evaluated that they've heard better

Listening to Ligeti's Requiem and what the hell is this?

>>73176901
a good ol' fashioned meme

>>73178591
I've got memed on alright.

classical music is for fags

>>73179024
classical fags are for music

>watch a Arvo Part documentary
>tfw he composed all of his music on a electric keyboard

So... he was basically a proto-soundcloud ambient loser?

>>73172160
He's more known for his teaching method than for his composing. Carmina is just a fluke. But his opera Antigonae is really good.

DAE compose mentally over other composition when listening to music?If I've got the score in front of me I almost always add 2 or 3 melodic lines mentally.

Finzi's Requiem da Camera is pretty qt. Nothing groundbreaking, but like much of his stuff it's very finely composed English romanticism.

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Quick, post Jews who ruined music!

Pärt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ6Mzvh3XCc

>>73180388
You first

>>73180510
Yes, he is one.

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Might anyone know where I could get the rest of this album of the Cantigas de Santa Maria?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGphaLAgpfU

I've been looking for a while, but haven't found much. Someone once posted a bunch of them in some shitty, obscure file format (like .ra or some insane shit like that) on /lit/, like 5 years ago, but I don't have those files anymore. At any rate - I really like the group, and I'd love to hear more of their work on this stuff, but I don't know where it would be available. It's not on SLSK or anywhere that I would think to look.

do people really take Steve Reich seriously or have they finally realized he is just a massive meme?

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq7SFe5caSE

>>73179331
That's all 20th-21st century 'composers', really.

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>>73175363
>attention spam
>spam

>>73180621
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3790946

>>73180837
Huh. Did not think the Russians would have it, so I didn't bother checking RT. Half the time they screw me over by not having major shit, half the time they help me by having obscure shit. Well, thanks.

>>73180837
>>73180930
Never mind - even though it claims to have seeders, there is no one seeding it. There are several peers, but not one functional seeder. So another avenue would be appreciated.

what piece of classical do i listen to in order to open my third eye

>>73181098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBimK9qhaeY

>>73181171

leave it to a jew to write something so abhorrent.

Childhood is when you idolize Mahler, adulthood is when you realize Mendelssohn makes more sense

Schickhardt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Woymnj-XECo

>>73181059
Don't worry about it, I use rutracker a lot for classical music and opera films, and when that happens you usually just have to wait a couple days until someone picks it up

>>73181171
that was actually scary

>>73181098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBr6xPXotRs

>>73181098
Langaard Music of the Spheres. Or Norgård's 3rd symphony. Danes produce GOAT orchestral rep

>>73181329
>Prague

>>73181214
Schulhoff did a lot of musical shitposting. Wrote an oratorio using The Communist Manifesto as the text

>>73181361
no wonder he got gassed

Seriously, I listened to 5 minutes of Ligeti and it almost put me off music altogether.

>>73181395
Which Ligeti

>>73181416
András Ligeti

>>73181416
Gyorgy

>>73181442
Now watch this while you listen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHWs3c3YNs4

>he doesn't rock like an Hungarian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdzvk1BJOBQ

>>73181214
this one's actually neat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pSLX-mWQw

>>73171744
>Chopin
Dropped.

>>73181782
sounds like Schnittke but happier.

So, /mu/, i had this vision of making a piece for cello quintet and Soprano. Has this been done before?

anyone has taken this course?:
https://es.coursera.org/learn/classical-composition

hey guys I'm new to this, but what does /classical/ thinks about Rachmaninoff?

>>73171744
it's pretty bad, sorry

>have to rescue /classical/ from page six
>buried by nigger rappers and crummy pop acts
its like you guys dont like music at all.

God, classical music is so fucking sexist. All there is is men, in all of the classical music anyone ever mentions. Try to tell me that the patriarchy isn't real when you look at lists of "the greatest composers".

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His music is so fucking saccharine I want to physically vomit after going through one of his symphonies. It's like I ate 10 chocolate fudge cakes in an hour. Ugh.

>>73183072
you're missing the point

>>73183072
listened to Mahlers 9th, after a guy said that it was better than Beethovens 9th (and better and more "advanced" than any Beethoven). all i got was some rumiating music that didnt go anywhere and sounded awfully close to your generic movie soundtrack "classical" that sounds in the background, it had no presence on its own.

>>73183199
What recording did you listen to?

>>73183242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWxX-kf-2MI&t=3478s

>>73183284
>Bernstein
No wonder, he is exactly what you described

My favorite recording is that of Mark Gorenstein; but try this one, I'm sure you'll change your mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXgMxL990SU

>>73183324
video is unavailable.

>>73183379
you posted the same link lol. will try on slsk.

>>73183356
Download the one from the second Mega link in OP (Fischer's), I'll upload Gorenstein tomorrow

Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1RC0HeVi5A

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>>73183091

You're blowing my mind with that argument, son.

>>73183199

I found this quote from John Culshaw, not exactly an uninitiated person

>[Mahler's music] "makes me feel sick - not metaphorically but physically sick. I find his strainings and heavings, juxtaposed with what always sounds [to me] like faux-naif music of the most calculated type, downright repulsive."

Couldn't have said it better.

>>73183562
Fuck you

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>>73183577

Mahler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qVxl1Q-84s

>>73183562
his music feels like when you enter a mall, and its early, they just opened, and you get assaulted by the thick vanilla scented liquid detergent they clean the floors with, its so palpable you can cut it with a knife. i like density in music, but this is some uningenuous thick shit, some phil spector shit in classic form.

>>73183684
wow, nope. i dont think that piece warranted the use of a symphonic orchestra, sounds like a super adorned chamber piece. very unidimensional too, expected way better from the "master of the XX century". that hungarian dance bit sounded dumb.

make way for some aural kino:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbbtmskCRUY

>>73183891
That's only the third movement; by the way, it's rooted in Klezmer

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>>73183562
>Couldn't have said it better.
Schoenberg said it much better, actually.

>>73183562
exactly the way i feel about Culshaw productions

>>73184040
that was as austistic as schoenbergs music.

>>73184158
All the great composers had autism, after all.

>>73184189
but not all autists are great composers.

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pic related and Tchaik 4 are the best symphonies of all time, tell me I'm wrong
I have a normie tier favorite list of classical pieces

>>73184121

... You can hear the producer in recordings?

How far on the spectrum are you?

>>73184229
Culshaw productions are immediately recognizable, though. most of the big production personalities of the 50s-60s had a recognizable sound which they created.

Culshaw in particular favored a very loud high/low-end (particularly 'bright' on top), extreme interventionism in the balancing of the orchestra (numerous cases of 'instrumental spotlighting,' much of it completely unrealistic), scrubbed dynamics, etc.

his whole profile was trying to get the biggest "wow" factor out of people, and being a sort've virtuoso of the studio -- trying to display all the innumerable technological advances in recording at the time, no matter how grotesque and over-the-top they were. he sort've doubled as another conductor, honestly. the blaring kind.

Why did Mendelssohn get more boring as he got older?

>>73183072
>Mahler
>saccharine
The fuck is anything French, then? Fentanyl-esque?

>>73171073
How do I stop hating successful people?
I feel nothing but loathing for this man.
I wish talented or hardworking people would get some sort of special airborne disease so I could be mediocre in peace.

>>73184479

You know a composer is irredeemable when the defense is literally "mmhmm the French!"

>>73184550
>"thing is x"
>"no, thing2 is x; thing is just thing"
>"AHA, EXACTLY WHAT I EXPECTED YOU WOULD SAY"

>>73184595

No, you don't understand how my logic is bullshit, let's recap!

Haha.

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPV9tfJNOvY

I've only heard Solti's Der Ring, which recordings should I listen to as well?

>>73185078

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScz3e7yweo&list=PLFsrcDkG8aET5ESASDBKelDW2X2cV-wcf

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tips for getting into schoenberg?

>>73185181

Mix ammonia and bleach and drink heartedly.

>>73185181
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olwVvbWd-tg

>>73185231
has been my current course of action. was wondering if i've been missing something with his music

>>73185181
idk; I only came here for the peepees

>>73185448
got any good ones?

>>73183072
>Mahler
>saccharine
languid is one possible descriptor and another is histrionic, but saccharine is NOT one

>>73184222
Rite of Spring isn't a symphony and the best symphonies are Mozart's 38 and Beethoven's 8th.

>>73185181
Listen to the Piano works op11, op25 et cetera and the violin concerto until you either like it or decide you don't and give up.

Also check out Berg, Weburn, Kirchner, Cage etc.

>>73185247
God, I hate his conducting, but love his personality and charisma so much.

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>>73186136
Okay, I haven't had a listen to his piano works for quite a while. I can tolerate the violin concerto. I quite like Webern and Berg

>>73186227
Well, his Violin Concerto isn't even a serialist work.

Among his piano works, I still like the Op. 11 the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojpN8ZYKieI

Especially the second piece, which is hauntingly mesmerizing.

>>73186227
>suicidal
>people who are suicidal have facial expressions

lolno

>>73186290

I've played most of the notable violin concertos from Corelli to Adams.

From right around the time serialism sets in, it starts becoming immensely painful physically and soul draining to drudge through the music. Like Sibelius is fucking hard. Prokofiev and Elgar have very unique technical demands, Wieniawski and Vieuxtemps basically want your fingers to fall off. But trying to get through Schoenberg and Stravinsky is just disgusting, it's one thing to not like the music, but it's revolting when its actually emanating from your hands. It's obvious as hell they knew nothing about the violin, the writing is unnatural as hell, it's like trying to force the piccolo to produce bass.

I will say Berg, even though I don't totally love it, definitely had at least some consideration or knowledge of the violin, which may be why it's not a totally atonal work.

>>73182438
good shit. listen to concertos 2 and 3 all the time.
can play prelude in g minor.

>>73186767
Sounds like you just suck lol

>>73184738
Your logic is the one that's being proven to be bullshit

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>>73186913

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEiCZ4hWnAA

K O O P M A N

>>73184473
Because he ascended beyond plebs

Beethoven 6th vs. Mahler 6th

Which one is better?

>>73187004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiYSoGSDUY8

*shakes head*

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>>73187083

The Pastoral may be a meme, but a meme is still better than violent autism.

>>73187083
"Es gibt doch nur eine VI. trotz der Pastorale." (There is only one Sixth, despite the Pastoral.)

-Alban Berg

>>73187123
The Pastoral isn't even that big of a meme, though. The 5th, 7th, and 9th are the biggest Beethoven memes

>>73187123
>that gif
lmao

>>73187083
bad symphony vs good symphony

which one is better?
tough call

>>73187219
Neither of them are bad symphonies.

>>73187219
The Pastoral isn't that bad

>>73187182

I meant in its conception, it's by far the most literal of almost anything Beethoven wrote.
>>73187149
(((Berg)))

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>>73185181
pic related

>>73181098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQgLU0gjPtI

>>73186974
>no rake

petzold

How do I into Shoahburg?

>>73187332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUVHY1Ytq3o

>>73187253
(((Anonymous)))

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>>73184544

>>73183072
You'll really hate Wagner then

>>73176498
Nah, too big to be a sonatina, but a bit too small-scale to be a sonata.
And I'm not sure if that specific scenario would work, but mixing them in some way might actually be a solution.
>>73176294
Cool, thanks.
>>73176237
I guess I'll give in and finally put these into Finale.

>>73187347
This is wrong audio, this is recorded when Gould has 1 year

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Was he crazy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaxCKWzHorM

>>73187979
No, just dumb

>>73187989
Oh :D

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>>73187979

Why would anyone listen to that mumbling when Backhaus exists?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHOx5pqNsr8&list=PLz3R8hupNT5OTJMlxFne3lBfGwayCHkyH

>>73169967
If playing the first version harder doesn't sound right, make the second fit and go with that

Sublime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWWAXFCk4m4

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Have any of you heard this?

>>73188768
Is that Jesus

>>73169475
What's classical's thoughts on Charles Ives and what should i listen from him?

>>73189071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaOz48cq2g

>>73171951
tbf when I go to concerts I often find myself with eyes closed or facing away from the performers to concentrate better on the music

>>73171744
>Phillip Glass

No. Replace with something by Messiaen.

>Steve Reich

No. replace with Schoenfeld

>Chopin

yes, but actually pick his best works

>Byrd

thumbs up, fuckin love the masses.

>Shostakovitch with No rite of spring

add rite of spring. it's a historically significant piece in the development of modern orchestral music, and it's bretty gud.

Also

>No Bartok
>No Debussy
>No Liszt
>No Mendelssohn
>No Rachmaninoff

many others. general message is that the list is a long way from complete

>>73184222
not a symphony by any means

still a fucking good piece imo

>>73171189
he's Russian, what do you expect.

>>73189071
this piece is fun, if a little stupid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avowzDI8uR0

not classical exactly but can any piano players here tell me if michel camilo is actually any good?

I've been watching him a lot recently and he seems pretty virtuosic

e.g his solo at 3.32 in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0uDi1owLMs

>>73189214
ah, I fucked it there with the Shostakovitch. but to that end the list doesn't include Stravinsky, so yeah, still.. fuck I need to go to bed.

Is Rossini a meme?

>>73189398
Depends on your definition of meme. He wrote a lot of good operas, both his more famous comic ones (of which there are many good ones outside of Il Barbiere) as well as his pretty underrated "serious" ones.

Brahms' Scherzo op.4 is so weird

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Anyone know where I can get Ma Vlast on vinyl?
I've tried digging through Discogs but there's so many different orchestras/versions and most seem kinda beat up.

Tchaikovsky is boring wtf

>>73190717
It doesn't fit on vinyl, not without having multiple records or being badly rushed or just cut. Get a digital download like a normal 21st century resident, avoid Czech orchestra, that one is good most of them are shit. Classical vinyl is stupid and there is a reason classical went digital as soon as possible.

>>73190929
Vinyl is limited to 23 or so minutes per side so I'm aware it'll have be a double LP.
I tend to digitize my physical collection so I can listen to it on my iPod as well, I just like vinyl.

I'm not gonna be one of those hipsters claiming it sounds better whatever, it's just nice to put on a record and sit back.

Thanks for the tip on the orchestra though.

>>73190717
>>73191035
>>73190929
the only reason I would consider getting an older classical recording is if it's a particularly special performance or ensemble e.g. Toscanini's Roman Trilogy

the drop in sound quality is just not worth it otherwise

>>73191035
You can't sit back if you have to get up to turn and dust during the performance, exactly why it is bad

>>73180767
That image really crack cocaine'd me up! Mind if I Sava (river) it?

>>73171951
I don't think so

>>73191081
My turntable is within arms reach while on on the computer.

>>73191077
Right, I might just get it on CD then.

>>73191185
even CDs can have awful quality if the recording is old enough i.e anything pre-60s as a rule of thumb

like I said, in all but special circumstances there will almost certainly be a modern recording that is better, or good enough

>>73190873
Marche slave

Am i a pleb faggot if Beethoven's 9th makes me cry everytime?

>>73191854
nah, finlandia makes me cry everytime

>>73191216
>pre-60s
Living Stereo, Mercury, and Decca are laughing at you.

>>73192001
listening to it right now. sounds pretty energetic, digging it a lot, way better than the typical languid shit that plagues classical.

What does /classical/ think of Chopin?

>>73192283
well 50s then

seriously considering learning german to make listening to wagner operas more enjoyable since i wouldn't have to stop looking at the score to look at the libretto

>>73192983
Once you do that two or three times, you'll have it memorized like I do.

Hell, I can even sing along now.

>>73193093
>Hell, I can even sing along now

you fucking wish

but nah, I wish I learned German purely to read Goethe and listen to Wagner

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I need some yuri classical.

>>73193684
Any opera about lesbians or something like that. Spoonfeed me.

>>73182438
overrated, but his vespers are based

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>>73193684
what about some CUTE classical?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2UFBKdFRAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVPgJ2f5bd4
(skip to 00:34)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PabpPnP1nMU

remember, music is most enjoyed by playing it with a qt partner, male or female

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>>73183064
>hiding behind muh soggy-knees as an excuse not to listen to talented and beautiful black composers

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Does anybody know the name of this music?

>>73194364
>responding to b8

and we were doing so well

Should i buy the score for Glass's Mishima Quartet? Its like $20, paper not some dumb pdf.

>>73191216
>modern recordings will almost certainly sound better
heh

Where do I get music sheets

>>73194540
hot crossed buns

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LovBexXTDvA