/Grimes/

>>73129337
>Art Angels is the most important experimental pop record of the 21st century. Saying otherwise is just contrarian.
you mean Visions?

Grimes is worse than the AIDS virus and Zika combined

>>73129337
>>73129356
>Art Angels is the most important experimental pop record of the 21st century. Saying otherwise is just contrarian.

you mean Halfaxa?

meme

>>73129479
>beautiful music is a meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsbiyvpel54

i hope our grimey is sleeping well

>>73129357
this

>>73129357
kinda weird way to say that she is the most powerful

>>73129782
there is a difference between being powerful and being fucking cancerous, anon

>>73129337
eenie memey

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only the oldest of /mu/ will remember this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVyZZgquC-0

>>73129839
>cancer is worse than AIDS and Zika combined
that's wrong anon

>>73129853
lovefoxxx is the actual queen of /mu/

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>>73129610

>>73129862
no, grimes is

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no, this is far more important

>>73129857
>cancerous = cancer
you must be 18+ to poster here, anon

>>73129839
Grimes is life.

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>>73129879
i wholesomely disagree

>>73129880
>1995, 2005
>Seen it with my eyes, dope still alive (dope)
>Real mob ties, real frog eyes (frog)
>Real whole pies, all time high (high)
>Do it for the culture (culture)

powerful lyrics that grimes hasn't even come close to, they're actually discussing real problems

>>73129881
>saying that an artist that hurt nobody is worse than AIDS and Zika combined
>calling someone else underage
what did he mean by this

>>73129904
maturity knows no bounds. intelligence does unless you are American. my point still stands.

>>73129901
no one actually discusses her lyrics in grimes shrine threads because they're trash

>>73129914
>my point still stands.
Which one?

>>73129924
>no one actually discusses her lyrics
why are you spreading lies?

>>73129901
>>Raf Simons, all kinds of crazy colors

/fa/g here, that shit speaks waves to me

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>>73129942
lyrics not actually discussed in the thread

>>73129929
Quit playing coy, you quoted it

>>73129943
raf simons best simons

>>73129967
>judging by one single thread with 28 replies
why are you so stupid?

>>73129979
And how is she worse than AIDS and Zika combined?

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>>73129986
right but still no lyrics or deep analysis yet
>still waiting

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“Tell me what the preacher preach about/Tell me what the teacher teach about/I’ma go find me a better route/That bullshit and cap you can leave it out” – Takeoff

>>73130034
smokinacook ina hotbocs

>>73130000
You clearly have an agenda so there is no convincing you, anon

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Migos made an NYU stop. The “Bad and Boujee” rappers are having one hell of a year, and they took their show to New York University to discuss their impact on pop culture, fashion and music.

I'm not seeing grimes achieve this level of interest from academia to be considered the most important experimental pop record of the 21st century.

>>73130093
smokinacook ina hotbocs

fukkin onyo gurl shea thothothot

>>73130115
We came from nothin' to somethin' nigga (hey)
I don't trust nobody grip the trigger (nobody)
Call up the gang, and they come and get you (gang)

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still waiting on those grimes lyrical discussions to back up why should would even be remotely important to pop music

>>73130195
>2017
>caring about the lyrics

>>73130137
and when lil automatic submachine gun skateboard ramp comes in...

yeeauh yeeauh yeeauh yeeauh yeeauh...

huh?

All while sounding like a faggot

lewds when?

>>73129337
Genuine question
Why is art angels "important" much less "the most important experimental pop record of the 21st century"
It's not even really experimental compared to her other albums and even those aren't really that important they're just good music
What has she influenced that makes her important?

>>73129337
Art Angels is not the most important experiment pop record of the 21st Century. I haven't seen it discussed outside of this general. While it was a huge step forward for Grimes, the characteristics of a truly game-changing experimental pop album weren't there.

Most of the things being performed on this album were being done before, but this album did it more aggressively and the production was arguably brighter. It sets it apart from the rest of its peers, but it's only a small singular bubble in the middle of a much larger one.

>>73130232
When I go, can I go with
Go, can I go with
Go, can I go with
Go, can I go with
Go, can I go with
You

huh?

all while sounding like a special needs student

>>73130238
it's a bait

>>73130290
>I haven't seen it discussed outside of this general
imagine being THIS new
like is this actually your first day?
i suggest you to leave before it's too late

>>73130290
>these comments
this is why grimes is a meme

>>73130291
Thanks for providing me with a good hearty laugh. Still loling as I type this. Ah good man.

>>73130306
Wouldn't I have to be here for a while to make a claim like that? I was even one of the people who defended the record when it was getting bombarded with comments saying that it wasn't Grimes being herself anymore.

I enjoy the album a lot, but there's no way in hell that it's the MOST IMPORTANT EXPERIMENTAL POP ALBUM to date. That's a bold and unstable claim.

>>73130331
>I enjoy the album a lot, but there's no way in hell that it's the MOST IMPORTANT EXPERIMENTAL POP ALBUM to date. That's a bold and unstable claim.
it's just fun to bait people who hate grimes, probably. I think that's why OP wrote this

>>73129493
it is funny, you hxc grimes fans always post videos of individual singles whenever trying to argue beauty or that she is a credible artist.

literally no other fanbase does this. why do you do this?

>>73130352
Well he made me bite so fuck

>>73130360
you're dumb

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no one can explain why grimes should be considered important within musical history

instead all comments are surface level shit like "she's awkward and cute" and "be nice to her because she tries hard"

>>73130374
and happy

>>73130359
>why do you do this?
to provide some arguments maybe?

>>73130381
do you think you're just happy? or...

>>73130380
yat

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Please just delete this embarrassing thread and post a 'be nice to grimes' one instead.

You're giving her a headache.

>>73129493
wow you sure showed me

>>73129337
you're waifu a shit

>>73130457
she's a bit of a cunt

>>73130195

>>>/lit/

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>>73130502

>>73130549
>my face when Grimes isn't Grime

why does this insufferable special needs goblin even need a general when she only has like 2 songs and none of them are good

what is there to discuss other than generic waifutrash

she's becoming a stale meme thanks to these threads

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>16 posters

>>73130598
she made 4 albums and a lot of non-albumed songs

>what is there to discuss
listen to her music and you'll understand what

>>73130679
>all grimes threads

>>73130679
and one of them is (You)

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>>73130692
the instrumentation sucks, the lyrics suck (pic related), her vocals suck

this could be remedied if she just picked up another fucking band member and stopped being a pretentious little shit about her art

>>73130700
>thought process

>>73130679
>not realising there's just one hater samefagging

>>73130721
>the instrumentation sucks, the lyrics suck (pic related), her vocals suck
none of these are true, now fuck off

>>73130725
t. delusional

>>73130733
go on then, what's your argument, help me understand why grimes is the most important pop artist of this decade, please

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>>73130721
go is unironically the best song she's ever done... i wonder why

>>73130764
Go is actually her worst. No one even discusses it

>>73130753
What's your argument on why she sucks?
>instrumentation sucks
That's not an argument. Her music is very layered and complex and you have to be deaf to ignore this fact.

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>>73130901
only song with good production assisted by the patriarchy

>>73130913
being layered and complex doesn't make it good

it's very boring, and it would never hold up on its own

>>73131018
>it's very boring
for you, but not for everyone else

>>73130954
lame comment

>>73129337
>>73129356
>>73129470
The correct answer is: all of these 3.

Grimes is bae. She needs to release a new album though ASAP.

Are there any similar artists to tide me over in the meantime?

>>73130359
Because we care about her music. We hear the beauty in her music want to share that with contrarians like you. If you still don't like it, godspeed and have a nice day.

>>73131124
truth hurts

>>73130764
>a shitty trap song is her best
can you get more pleb?

>>73131157
>Are there any similar artists to tide me over in the meantime?
Bjork, Kate Bush, David Bowie, Kurt Cobain, Calvin Harris, Mozart, Death Grips

>>73130290
MPP is better

Why do you never talk about her music? You just talk about her vaguely and post pictures, it's embarassing

>>73131233
nah. your troll posts are just... lame. objectively

>>73131269
check your eyes, retard

>>73131267
is it true that some of those basslines are bands fart sounds?

>>73131157
>Are there any similar artists to tide me over in the meantime?
They're not really similar, but whatever: Cocteau Twins, Nite Jewel, Majical Cloudz, Austra, Fever Ray, The Knife, iamamiwhoami, Zola Jesus, Computer Magic, Chvrches, Class Actress, Sally Shapiro, Pastel Ghost, Molly Nilsson, Au Revoir Simone.

>>73131269
>You just talk about her vaguely and post pictures,
Did you even read the thread? How many pics do you see here? Is 16 pics at 98 posts so much higher than the /mu average? Don't you see the music discussion ITT?

>>73131273
your posts have no value, you literally can't even point to another song of hers that's a legitimate banger

Kill V. Maim sounds weak in comparison, it's obvious she can't cut it without blood pop

>>73131286
Of course

>>73130290
>Most of the things being performed on this album were being done before
Examples? e.g. name a song like Scream.

>>73130291
>not knowing what are the vocals hooks
Stay away from pop music.

>>73130598
>being this vile
>being this retard

>>73130679
And one of them is (You). The joke (assuming it's one) is on you.

>>73130721
You just don't like it. The first rule in music: music taste is subjective. Deal with it.

>>73130753
GRIMES PROFILE

>Full name: Claire Elise Boucher
>Born: 17 March 1988 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
>Origin: Québécois, Ukrainian, Russian and Italian descent
>Instruments: vocals, synthesizer, sampler, keyboard, guitar, bass, drums, violin, ukulele

>Skills:
- singer
- songwriter
- producer
- sound engineer
- lyricist
- live performer
- visual artist
- music video director
- dancer
- model
- writer

>Main interests:
Music, visual arts, dancing, books, films, modeling, video games, internet, and others

>Music taste:
http://www.last.fm/user/chairmandore/library
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimes_%28musician%29#Musical_style
http://www.pandora.com/station/2895208146671614201

>Others:
- Grimes does everything in her music, from singing and songwriting to artwork and production
- nice personality, beautiful look, cares about environment issues and saving animals
- took her name from grime music after discovering the existence of the genre on Myspace
- studied ballet for 11 years
- was a goth outcast in high school
- studied neuroscience, philosophy, and Russian literature and McGill University before being dropped out for missing classes
- started making music when she was around the age of 19
- big Lord of the Rings, Dune, Game of Thrones, Star Wars, Abbess Hildegard von Bingen and Russian literature fan
- her best friends are James Brooks, Hana, Bloodpop, Duffy, Born Gold

>>73131018
>it's very boring, and it would never hold up on its own
Ha ha ha! You're truly delusional. Listen to the instrumental versions of Visions and Art Angels and we're talking. This is why she's so good: her instrumentals are extraordinary. That's her selling point. Her voice/lyrics is just the cherry on top.

A sample https://clyp.it/452eiqvm

>>73131999
>http://www.pandora.com/station/2895208146671614201
it's not avalaible
what was there?

>>73131999
why she is so perfect

>>73131326
>Kill V. Maim sounds weak in comparison
>he believe this

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>>73131269
>post pictures
On an image board, why would any one do that?

>>73132114
This. These idiots complaining about images on an image board are frankly pathetic. This is not their board to police its content.

>>73130093
>I'm not seeing grimes achieve this level of interest from academia
http://ir.lib.uwo.ca/etd/3792/
Come again?

>>73130195
>still waiting on those grimes lyrical discussions
Why are you not talking about music on /mu, anon?

>>73130380
>no one can explain why grimes should be considered important within musical history
Are you new here? I, for one, I have. Multiple times.

>>73132627
This. Not only that, there were plenty of lyrical discussions in her threads during the years. People should lurk more before making such >>73130195 ridiculous statements.

>>73130598
>why... need a general
For the same reason you feel compelled to post in it - relevance.

>>73132673
>I, for one, I have. Multiple times.
List them.

>>73130618
>she's becoming a stale meme
Anon, Grimes doesn't get discussed in these sorts of threads because of being a meme.

>>73130721
>the instrumentation sucks, the lyrics suck (pic related), her vocals suck
In comparison to what? Saying something is good/bad without also identifying a point of reference for your value judgment is meaningless criticism.

>>73132673
Are you the classical music anon? If yes then you're right. You wrote plenty of essays why she's important and why her music is significant.

>>73130618
>she's becoming a stale meme
Your subjective perception =/= Realiti (pun intended)

>>73132876
>Realiti
learn the grammar idiot

>>73132876
But neither is yours

>>73132725
Here ya go:
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/72733488/#72735328

>>73132895
>/grimes/
>not knowing her best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9XKLqGqwLA

>>73132935
Link isn't working for me, sorry.

Again, list them if you think you made valid argument

>>73132725
>>73132935
Let me know if that link is too hard for your to follow, and I'll copypasta it to this thread for your convenience.

>>73132895
>pretending to not see "(pun intended)"
Stop pretending being an imbecile, grammar nazi.

>>73132978
See >>73132972
Just make a list, not a huge copypasta

>>73132972
>Link isn't working for me
It's working for me...

>>73133052
That's too bad for you, since it's your argument and the burden of proof is on you

>>73133069
Screenshot what you see when you click the link.

>>73133103
Nah, the burden of proof is on you.

Until you do so, Grimes is not an important artist at all. I can live with that. Can you?

>>73133128
Lol you didn't even try clicking it...

>>73133128
You're just a troll. That anon >>73133052 is wasting his time on you. Nothing will convince your stubborn mind. Please leave and never come back here.

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>>73132326
This thread needs more pics too.

Art Angels was a lame pop album. Marina is objectively better.

>>73133550
stop being such a fucking pleb

>>73133550
>Marina is objectively better.
Opinion discarded. Keep enjoying generic pop and leave the interesting pop to Grimes fans.

>>73133606
Says a Grimes fanboy. Kek.

>>73133619
> "interesting"
> bland, generic, awful Grimes shit
choose 1

>>73132972
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/72733488/
>Whats this incredible "musical complexity" thing she features in her music?
>What about her music being innovative? Again, please mention some part or layer of a song that fits this criteria, and why.

Contrapuntal voice-leading in the context of thoroughly contemporary pop music. I can explain further what I'm talking about in great technical detail if you like (I have a professional background in classical music/extensive formal training in the ways of musicology.)

>please do

First some examples of what I'm talking about:
https://youtu.be/2-aWEYezEMk
https://youtu.be/JtH68PJIQLE
https://youtu.be/Tv9YoYCKNoE

One of the main things that separates "art music" from "pop music" (insomuch as such a distinction ISN'T just a meme perpetuated by sub-par musicians to justify why it is their sub-par "classical" compositions aren't more popular) is in the way lyricism (words in vocals, distinctive melodic hooks in either vocals or instrumentals) is used in the overall composition.

Generally speaking, popular music sticks to an underlying formula where brand new lyrical material in vocals (again, either words or distinctive melodic hooks) only ever gets introduced a single element at a time, and accompanied by already-heard musical material wherever possible (the essence of verse-chorus form.) For example:
https://youtu.be/fWNaR-rxAic
The reasoning behind this is simple: the primary purpose of pop music is to facilitate direct verbal communication between a solo singer and a listener (ever wonder why instrumentals-only pop virtually doesn't exist? Now you know.) It's a musical simulation of a one-to-one conversation, and - just like irl - having more than one unique voice going at the same time in a conversation makes the whole thing unintelligible on FIRST LISTEN*.
[1/2]

>>73133691
[2/2]
Now go back and listen to the Grimes' tracks I linked to earlier and notice how often she breaks this single-brand-new-lyrical-element-at-a-time rule, especially in terms of multiple vocal lines singing drastically different words/rhythms at the same time FOR THE FIRST TIME (aka contrapuntal voice leading.) This degree of compositional formula rule-breaking in pop music to the point where formal structure starts to blur with distinctly classical compositional styles is pretty much unprecedented in the contemporary pop music landscape, and is a HUGE DEAL in terms of demonstrating how contemporary musical sounds are going to translate into the wider classical musical canon as future decades/centuries go by (whether she originally meant it as an empty boast or not, Grimes is quite literally the future of western musical composition.)

* Btw this FIRST LISTEN business is where the whole art vs. pop music distinction actually comes into play. Conversations are normally one-time events: have an idea -> verbalize it -> transmit idea -> idea received. Then on to the next idea. Music performance, however, includes the concept of repetition. Didn't understand something the first time? Just go back and listen/perform/study it over again until you do. If "pop music" is about direct communication - as postulated above - then "art music" amounts to the exact opposite - indirect communication. The advantage to "art music" is that a lot more information can be communicated through a given amount of it than with pop music. Pop music delivers a handful of ideas directly, whereas art music delivers a multitude of ideas obscurely. Which one is better depends entirely on the number of ideas the artist is trying to convey, and either one extremely well-done is virtually indistinguishable from the other (great pop music is catchy on the surface but has layers to it; great art music has layers to it but is catchy on the surface.)

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>>73133550
>Marina is objectively
>objectively

>>73129337
Hey, if you can't handle criticism about the artist, take a criticism about the time.

Worst fucking century ever if Grimes is in any way a relevant artist.

>>73133550
Since when is "Marina" the name of a pop album?

>>73133799
Congrats on taking the b8.

>>73133189
>>73133262
This is not a list.

Sorry anons.
>>73133691
Not what I'm asking for

Try again

>>73133691
>Contrapuntal voice-leading in the context of thoroughly contemporary pop music
People have been using counterpoint in pop music for ages. Are you for serious?

If I ever meet a grimesfag IRL I will not be able stop myself from punching them in the face

>>73134329
If I ever meet a grimeshater IRL I will certainly punch them in the face

>>73134352
Wow are grimesfans really this violent and disturbed?

>>73134371
Why are you replying to >>73134352 rather than >>73134329 ?

>>73134499
Because he never specifically stated he was a part of any faction of grimeshaters.
In contrast >>73134352 implies he is a part of the faction of grimesfans

>>73134371
only friends of grims are welcomed here

>>73134226
>I don't like the answer I was given because I can't gainsay it easily
Tough titty, honey.

>>73134527
>grims

>>73134534
>because I can't gainsay it easily
But i already did. It's wrong.

lol i'm pretty sure you are the same loser >>73116470
yeah, keep making your pathetic attempts

I understand believing that it's an important experimental pop record nowadays (even if I personally dislike it, although I do like her first two albums), calling it the most important is a gross exaggeration.

>>73134609
Can you read?

>>73134629
Lol. Oops.

>>73134526
Um, anon, >>73134329 used 'grimesfag' as an actual word. Which implies he is a part of the faction of grimeshaters (as well as the sort of person who most likely can't post anywhere else besides 4chan without getting instantly banned due to poor social skills.)

>>73134679
>Which implies he is a part of the faction of grimeshaters
It doesn't. He could be literally anyone. Personally I neither hate nor like Grimes so I wouldn't be in either faction.

>>73134679
Any reason you re-posted your post? Also I've heard many Grimes fans (myself included) use the term "grimesfag" not to hate on Grimes, but to hate on the people who are obsessed with her, like that one guy a few threads ago who said he's masturbated to all of her pictures. It's just a meme term anyways, like newfag.

>>73134226
>Not what I'm asking for
What ARE you asking for, then?

Originally you didn't ask for anything - you made a statement:
>>73130380
>no one can explain why grimes should be considered important within musical history
>instead all comments are surface level shit like "she's awkward and cute" and "be nice to her because she tries hard"

Which is proven to be categorically wrong based on the pre-existence of this >>73133691 and >>73133706 alone.

What are asking for now?

>>73134711
>He could be literally anyone.
So could >>73134329
Are you new to 4chan?

>>73134712
>I've heard many Grimes fans (myself included) use the term "grimesfag"
People who routinely put "-fag" on the ends of their words aren't old enough to be posting here - it's an 18+ site.

>>73134983
The "-fag" ending has always just been a meme to add to the end of a term that describes someone (see normalfag, oldfag, newfag, etc.). Actually using the usage of the term to automatically associate it with blind haters of your favorite artist is ridiculous, especially since not all of the people who use it are blind haters. It's like getting mad at people who add "Stan" to the end of an artists name to indicate that people are a diehard fan of that artist

>>73133799
Stop being a prick. People are entitled to believe whatever they want. If some of them believe that Grimes is the bee's knees, what's your fucking problem?

>>73135139
>people are entitled to believe whatever they want
So is the guy you're responding to

>>73135048
>The "-fag" ending has always just been a meme
Anon, why are you going out of your way to reinforce existing stereotypes about people who post on 4chan being morons?

>>73135239
Good argument

>>73134329
>imagine being this mad
>imagine being so meta trolled by the famous grimes army
LMAO!

>>73134712
>Also I've heard many Grimes fans (myself included) use the term "grimesfag" not to hate on Grimes
I'm calling that bullshit. Nobody in his right mind calls himself like that. Stop trolling.

How do we defeat grimes ?

>>73135447
nigga what

>>73135535
you don't

>>73134887
>Not what I'm asking for
>What ARE you asking for, then?
He >>73134226 wanted some easy to attack essay. What he got instead was some heavy music analysis, way beyond his understanding. Basically he's a troll stuck in his own web.

>>73134329
>grimesfag
>expecting to be taken seriously

>>73135689
there it is

>>73135695
I'm surprised it took so long desu, it usually gets brought out right away, although >>73134526 pretty much did the equivalent

>>73133550
As someone who didnt get into grimes until recently what was the reaction among her longtime fans to AA? It feels like they could have easily called her a sellout.

>>73135695
so, you start learning. little by little you will realize how full of shit you are.

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>>73135754
Can't really answer since I'm only a post-Art Angels fan myself (although AA isn't my personal favorite of her releases so far), but I do find it pretty hilarious how she seems to have inserted a pre-emptive dig against such claims into the album art itself (the "$1000,00000" on the mid-lower right.)

>>73135815
kek

>>73135815
i don't give a fuck either way guy

>>73135754
some were terribly disappointed, some even called her a sellout. other part of her fanbase enjoyed this album. there are also folks who got into her music after listening to art angels.

overall, grimes lost some fans, but gained way more. she's doing fine even without the support of the disappointed hipsters that rejected this pop masterpiece.

Even you waifu fags shouldn't be able to deny that Kendrick is the artist of the decade

>>73138022
>Kendrick is the artist of the decade
Why? What artistic accomplishment has he personally achieved (not his producers/collaborators) that warrants granting him that distinction?

>>73138022
yeah man, Kenny a best

>>73134887
>What ARE you asking for, then?
Did you read the thread?
>Which is proven to be categorically wrong based on the pre-existence of
The explanation is wrong btw
>>73134914
Unlikely based on the response
>>73135672
>way beyond his understanding.
I already refuted it. Google "counterpoint in pop music"

Nice try though

IEGT (in every Grimes thread): sexual frustration

>>73138827
what is this directed at?

>>73138802
>Google "counterpoint in pop music"
Straight from the first search result Google gives me:
>There is basically no counterpoint in pop music...

You can make a case for there having been more use of it in previous eras of pop music (after all, contrapuntal music was itself very popular once upon a time), but in terms of post-2010 commercially produced pop music (the musical context in which Grimes' music exists) it's use is pretty much unheard of. Especially in terms of a self-composing pop performer single-handedly incorporating it into their own songs (rather than a roving songwriter/arranger for higher with a comp degree adding it in on a whim.)

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>>73138802
Forgot pic related.

>>73139209
>>73139234
>Straight from the first search result Google gives me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/24kuum/what_popular_music_contains_good_examples_of/
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1578892
http://www.wnyc.org/story/how-be-smarter-about-counterpoint/
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4158637

You are not very good at google, I got tons of results

>but in terms of post-2010 commercially produced pop music
Irrelevant goalpost shifting

>>73139209
That anon, btfo!

>>73139477
>>73139396

Please, be nice to Claire, guys. That's all I'm asking for.

>>73139396
>Irrelevant goalpost shifting
When was talking about Grimes' music, specifically, not the goal of this thread?

>>73139595
>When was talking about Grimes' music
>in terms of post-2010 commercially produced pop music
You're not fooling anyone but yourself.

>>73139629
>in terms of post-2010 commercially produced pop music
Anon, that is what Grimes' music IS.

>>73139722
That's fine, but there's no reason to only compare it to music made within a strict 7 year span. It either compares to other pop music, or it doesn't. You are shifting the goalposts to make her seem more credible than she actually is by limiting your sample size

>>73139763
It either compares to other pop music [being made at the same time], or it doesn't.
When was the topic of this thread anything other than the span of music history during which Grimes' music exists?

>>73129337
This haircut is so cute on her

>>73139763
Dude, compare it while considering the span of her career. Why would you discuss counterpoint in pop music in a Grimes thread, outside of her professional career (2010-present)?

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Grimes is doing what pop music should be. She's also a role model for other females to start producing music, not just singing and/or writing music. She's a game changer.

>>73139919
i think ill stigmatize you as a waifufag and instigate negativity to discourage you. wew being a prick is easy

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She looks like Edie Sedgwick but less hot

>>73140368
oh yeah? well i'll just obviously bait you to death

>>73140460
don't see any resemblance

>>73139916
>[being made at the same time]
See >>73139763

You're doing it again
>>73140034
>Why would you discuss counterpoint in pop music in a Grimes thread
Because anon brought it up. You should be asking him

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>>73140118
Yes!

>>73140610
'neither

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>>73140460
Grimes is way better looking. I'm serious.

>>73140626
She's so pretty!

>>73140615
>Because anon brought it up. You should be asking him
Please read the whole sentence. The final part is relevant.

>Why would you discuss counterpoint in pop music in a Grimes thread, OUTSIDE of her professional career (2010-present)?

>>73140896
>>Why would you discuss counterpoint in pop music in a Grimes thread, OUTSIDE of her professional career (2010-present)?
Because it shows it's not uncommon?

>>73140862
of course

she's like an alien ? eats raw eggs? lol

>>73140925
I'm just pointing out that counterpoint in pop music is NOT a common thing in pop music made during Grimes' career so far (2010-present). I support this >>73139209 anon's opinion.

That's why I implied discussions about this topic shouldn't be outside of her career.

>>73141102
>NOT a common thing in pop music made during Grimes' career so far (2010-present)
And I'm pointing out that that is a pretty obvious attempt to use a small sample size in order to make her look better than she actually is.

Care to comment?

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>>73141097
She prefers spaghetti.

>>73141137
>And I'm pointing out that that is a pretty obvious attempt to use a small sample size in order to make her look better than she actually is.
Why not using a smaller sample size?

>to make her look better than she actually is.
What would her fans gain by this? How that would benefit Grimes?

>>73141186
>Why not using a smaller sample size?
More likely a chance for confirmation bias, which is what is going on here.
>What would her fans gain by this?
An honest assessment and not living a lie?
>How that would benefit Grimes?
Not relevant

>>73141242
>not living a lie?
Ha ha ha! Why would you even care if they're living a lie?

>More likely a chance for confirmation bias, which is what is going on here.
Don't talk about confirmation bias when you're clearly biased against her. You're not neutral, bro.

>>73140925
>Because it shows it's not uncommon?
Uncommon DURING her professional career? Are you daft?

>>73131264
this b8

>>73142198
>opinion you hate = b8

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>>73140610
I guess it's just me

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>>73142260
Grimes is hotter. She has a cyber goth aesthetic that suits her perfectly.

>>73141137
>And I'm pointing out that that is a pretty obvious attempt to use a small sample size
Anon, if you want to have a general discussion about the presence of contrapuntal voice-leading in late-20th to early-21st century popular music (imo a potentially very interesting topic), by all means - knock your self out. You will need to make a separate thread for it however, since such a conversation topic is beyond the scope of a discussion thread dedicated specifically to Grimes' music.

>>73141446
>Why would you even care if they're living a lie?
Why would you care if I do or not?
>You're not neutral, bro.
I already stated I neither like her nor dislike her, so yes, I am neutral
>>73141497
>Uncommon DURING a small amount of time that only I can designate so I can always be right?
Sure
>>73142613
Ooops you didn't seem to address my point.

Try again

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>>73142260
No, I can see it too, although imo you're barking up the wrong tree since she looks far more like Julia Cumming of Sunflower Bean than Grimes.

>>73142650
I'm not sure what are you trying to achieve here. I hope you're not posting here just to annoy her fans. Just admit that you're wrong and be done with it. This anon >>73142613 already said anything to be said about this topic.

>>73142650
>DURING a small amount of time that only I can designate
Anon, I didn't arbitrarily decide when Grimes started releasing albums of music.

hey i do not give a shit one way or the other what goes on here but i would like to thank you all for staying for the most part in this thread
good job

>>73142710
>Just admit that you're wrong
Will you admit you are intentionally using a small sample size just to be right, and make her seem better than she actually is?
>>73142726
>when Grimes started releasing albums of music.
Again, this is not relevant. Why not compare her to, say, The Beatles? Why be so selective?

>>73129357
Just like your comment.

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>>73142701
Yes indeed. Julia looks the most as Grimey.

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Here's another one.

>>73130721
But that's just it, it's HER art. She can do whatever the shit she wants with it. She's already introduced HANA, and collaborated with many other acts.

>>73130901
I loved go. Just on beats alone it's a pretty good song to jump around to.

>>73134352
>ontrapuntal voice-leading in the context of thorou
Catch me outside, how bow da.

>>73142739
do you really mean it?

>>73142701
>choker
yeah thanks no thanks

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>>73142701
>>73142260
>>73140460
>>73142793
>>73142844
Stop it guys here's the perfect grimes look-alike

>>73142742
>you are intentionally using a small sample size just to be right
I'm not even that anon. That anon probably picked the that sample size because that's the most relevant. Pop music is about NOW.

Speaking of Grimes, that counterpoint thing is not even her only selling point. Add her quirky yet pleasant voice. Add her production skills. Everything you hear in her music has been done by herself, except some collaborators on a few of her songs. Add her very diverse music taste which allowed her to make music that sounds like everything and like nothing else at the same time (common elements mixed with weird elements in an exciting way). Add her memorable image. All great artists need a great image if they want relevancy. Music is showbiz, not some sterile environment where only sounds matter.

If you put all these things together you see why she's so good. She's basically in the sweetest spot: she makes experimental pop music which has mass appeal, artistic value and critical acclaim. She's not overly popular and not overly obscure. Just like Kate Bush, Bjork, David Bowie and Peter Gabriel.

The most important thing: her music actually sounds great for those who like it.

>>73143119
LOL this is accurate hahaha. I love her but damn that's just too funny.

>>73143133
* OK, she's way less popular than Kate Bush, Bjork, David Bowie and Peter Gabriel but the point remains.

Any artist that incites a strong reaction must have something interesting in their art. Grimes is no exception.

>>73143215
Very true.

>>73143133
>Pop music is about NOW.
Good music should be timeless. I guess that says a lot about Grimes, huh?
>Add her quirky yet pleasant voice
What's quirky about it? What's pleasant about it?
>Add her production skills
Isn't that pretty much anyone with Fruity loops?
>Everything you hear in her music has been done by herself, except some collaborators
If there's collaborates, then she didn't do it herself, did she?
>Add her very diverse music taste
Not relevant
>sounds like everything and like nothing
Well that's pretty wishy-washy, isn't it?
>Add her memorable image
Not relevant
>relevancy
We are talking about music, not flavor of the months.
> Music is showbiz, not some sterile environment where only sounds matter.
Wait are you contradicting yourself? is it about the music or posting pictures of her all day and saying she's perfect?
>she makes experimental
How is it experimental?
>her music actually sounds great for those who like it.
This is like being amazed that water is actually wet

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>>73143133
>her music actually sounds great for those who like it.

>>73143277
This. It's almost like people have different musical tastes and preferences.

>>73130721
>stopped being a pretentious little shit about her art
I admit I'm triggered right now. Why would you say such ridiculous thing? Do you even know what the word pretentious means? I suggest you to read/watch her interviews. You will be surprised to hear how down to earth and self deprecating she is. She was the first to admit that sometimes her voice is kinda "sketchy" live. How many artists are willing to admit their flaws in public?

>>73143297
How do you know that she's not portraying a persona? She could be inauthentic

>>73143296
She's basically in the sweetest spot

>>73143333
Quads don't lie

Grimes confirmed for being fake as fuck

>>73143253
>Good music should be timeless.
There's no timeless music. Take classical music: it sounds like it's centuries old. The technological progress date any music ever.

>What's quirky about it? What's pleasant about it?
The timbre, the way she sings, the way she recorded her own voice as backing vocals.

>Isn't that pretty much anyone with Fruity loops?
No. GarageBand and later, Ableton Live. But she used guitars, violins, drums, hardware synths, ukulele, hardware samplers too. Do your homework, dude. You know nothing about her.

>If there's collaborates, then she didn't do it herself, did she?
Those are just exceptions. Janelle Monae just featured as vocalist, Aristophanes did some rapping, Blood Diamonds did the production on the song Go, Majical Cloudz and Doldrums did a synth line or something on 2 of her songs. The huge majority of her work has been done by herself.

>Not relevant
VERY relevant. Her music taste influences A LOT the work of an artist. No one creates art out of thin air.

>Well that's pretty wishy-washy, isn't it?
You forgot to add "else". It's "like nothing else". That means her music has common and uncommon elements. That's not wishy washy, but a clever way to make the weird elements be digestible through the common elements.

>>73143408
her crazy 4chan fans will prove you wrong

>>73143333
Grimes is a persona. But behind that alias there's a real person. She did lots of interviews and public appearances; at this point any mask she would have would fall off. She's consistently nice.

I asked this before but nobody has the balls to answer: is Grimes's music music for women and queers? If you're a straight man how do you justify listening to this?

>>73143434
>Take classical music:
Timeless, since we're still discussing it
>The timbre
What about it, though, specifically? Please tell us the specific frequency
>the way she recorded her own voice as backing vocals.
What way? What mics did she use? What pre-amps?
>No. GarageBand
lol
>Janelle Monae just featured as vocalist, Aristophanes did some rapping, Blood Diamonds did the production on the song Go, Majical Cloudz and Doldrums did a synth line or something on 2 of her songs.
Oh so only the good stuff with other people. Huh.
>VERY relevant.
>No one creates art out of thin air.
Except real artists.
>"like nothing else
Except other artists that sound like her

>>73143475
Music is universal. Now, get your shitty trolling and stereotypes and fuck off.

>>73143475
Simple, i'm not concerned with what some other waving cock on teh internet thinks about my music tastes. I like her music just fine. IF you think it's for women and "queers" then you're a fucking tard not worth talking to.

>>73143482
>No. GarageBand
>lol
>laughing like an idiot about a perfectly fine program
>idiot judging the appearance of a tool not what you could do with it (the results)

>>73143521
>perfectly fine program
Do you also like Legos and Lincoln logs?

>>73143482
>Except real artists.
Bullshit and you know it. Pick any great artist you want. Anyone. Now check his influences.

>Oh so only the good stuff with other people. Huh.
Lame bait. Do you even listened to those songs if you're saying this crap?

>Except other artists that sound like her
Examples?

>>73143536
Why not? You're a judgemental asshole with the IQ of a monkey. Good job for trolling /grimes/, though.

>>73143550
>Pick any great artist you want. Anyone. Now check his influences.
OK The Shaggs. How does your logic apply?
>Do you even listened to those songs
I admit I haven't. That doesn't change the fact that it isn't done by herself if she had collaborators, by definition. You misspoke
>Examples?
Bjork
>>73143567
>Why not?
Do you also like anime?

>>73143253
>Wait are you contradicting yourself?
How did I contradict myself? Are you an idiot? I said that both image and music matters. Hence
>Music is showbiz, not some sterile environment where only sounds matter.

Also
>Add her memorable image. All great artists need a great image if they want relevancy.

>is it about the music or posting pictures of her all day and saying she's perfect?
It's about both. Having good music and good image are not mutually exclusive.

>>73143600
>It's about both.
Music is heard, not seen. Otherwise it's just gimmicks to trick you into listening. Good music doesn't need it to begin with.

Try again

>>73143577
>The Shaggs
Some nobodies that are long forgotten?

>I admit I haven't. That doesn't change the fact that it isn't done by herself if she had collaborators, by definition. You misspoke
False. A few collaborators don't change the fact she did everything by herself. Ever heard of the concept of exceptions?

Also, how do you dare to talk shit about her if you didn't even listen to her music? Are you an autist?

>Bjork
Lmao! How the fuck Bjork sounds like Grimes? Name a Bjork song similar to Kill V. Maim. That's just the easy level; Grimes has way weirder songs.

>Do you also like anime?
No. And that irrelevant to this discussion.

>>73143681
>Some nobodies
Like Grimes? Not relevant. Nice goalpost shifting though
>A few collaborators don't change the fact she did everything by herself
It literally does. She did not do everything, because there are some people who did things.

Also did she master the albums herself?
>Grimes has way weirder songs.
Weird in what way?
>And that irrelevant to this discussion
Oh I thought we were discussing children's toys, such as GarageBand?

>>73143475
im not gay or transexuals because im not retarded but wish i was tho >.<

>>73143475
It's not classic rock, blues, jazz, country, or classical so yes

>>73143637
>Music is heard, not seen.
Music doesn't exist in vacuum. Get in with the times, grandpa. Ever heard of music videos? Ever heard of concerts? Ever heard of album art? There's a visual side of music that is complementing the sounds. Music was never only about the sounds (unless you're an academic lost in time and pretentiousness). Music is also about the connection with the artist. Music is art and art is about aesthetic.

>Good music doesn't need it to begin with.
It doesn't need it, but it doesn't hurt if it's complemented by a good image. See e.g. Pink Floyd's DSOTM's cover. The iconic cover contributed a lot to its popularity.

Speaking of Grimes, her music stands out even without any distraction. Just her music alone has a powerful effect.

>>73143734
>Oh I thought we were discussing children's toys, such as GarageBand?
>being this pretentious and insufferable

>>73143793
>pretentiousness
Hey be nice to Grimes

>>73143734
I'm done with you. You're an insufferable troll that keep asking questions like a 5 y.o. Look: listen to something else and leave her music to those who are fans. You're completely unprepared for this topic since you know shit about her and her music and just keep asking why she's important/relevant/whatever.

>>73143839
>reading comprehension
That wasn't about her. She's not an academic lost in time and pretentiousness.

>>73143851
>>73143865
First time on the internet?

Enjoy your Grimes

>Just listen to her damn music.
Based on how rude and unreasonable you are, I probably wont.

>>73143897
>She's not an academic
That would explain why it's boring

>>73142742
>Why not compare her to, say, The Beatles?
Because the Beatles haven't released an album of new music in more than 47 years. This is all about what interesting compositional trends are going on in pop music TODAY - not half a century ago.

>>73144014
>trends
Irrelevant

>>73143946
>Based on how rude and unreasonable you are, I probably wont.
Good. There are millions of other artists to listen to anyway. This Grimes is not suited to your pretentious taste.

>>73143253
>Good music should be timeless. I guess that says a lot about Grimes, huh?
Not really. Her music hasn't been around all that long yet, and only time will tell for certain.

I will say this, though. Comparing Grimes' Art Angels tracks (close to two years old now, going by when they were written - an eternity in today's pop music scene) to the stuff coming out right now (e.g. Lorde's latest), imo Art Angels practically sounds futuristic.

>>73144110
>>73144180
>music is only important if it's happening NOW
Huh

>>73143577
>I admit I haven't.
>attempting to critically analyse music you've never listened to
Lol how's that working out for you, bub?

>>73144281
>>attempting to critically analyse music
Show me where I did this

>>73143734
>Like Grimes?
Clearly not, if you actually know anything about the Shaggs - AND Grimes (which you self-admittedly don't.)

>Weird in what way?
Weird in the way that this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2EJMd7ZN7w is weird sounding in comparison to most others.

>>73144281
Let's admit it: he trolled us fairly well. Most trolls would start insulting and shitposting; this one was a slick trouble seeker. He took some lessons of how to troll without knowing about the topic being discussed.

>>73144349
Omega is even weirder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_hFrJ-FM2o

I'm yet to find a song even 1/5 similar to it.

>>73144088
>Irrelevant
Irrelevant to whom and in what context?

>>73144349
>if you actually know anything about the Shaggs
They've been touted as being better than The Beatles. Has Grimes?
>Weird in the way that this
Just state what is weird about it. Self-evidence is not a valid argument.

Reminder that if you can't explain it, it's not true.

>>73144353
>things that contradict my beliefs are just trolls!
Let me ask you this: if Grimes was an artist form 20 years ago, would you like her?
>>73144387
People who care about art/music

>>73144197
>music is only important if it's happening NOW
Why yes - POP music is only important if it's happening NOW.

And if it continues to be important even after it is no longer new, you may ask? That, my dear anon, is how new classical music is "created".

>>73144398
>Let me ask you this: if Grimes was an artist form 20 years ago, would you like her?
Absolutely. Assuming she did the same kind of music. Great artists are great regardless of the period of time they had their career.

Liking music is like falling in love. It's not easy to explain using pure science.

>>73144458
>That, my dear anon, is how new classical music is "created".
Exactly. The current great pop music is the future classical music. By pop music I mean popular music. And just like in the actual classical music, there are popularity tiers. Way more people know about Mozart than to say, Jacques Offenbach.

>>73144327
>he trolled us fairly well.
Speak for yourself, anon. I am not a moron - I actually LIKE/am perfectly capable of discussing the specifics of music making with people on the Internet.

>>73144398
>They've been touted as being better than The Beatles.
So you're a Zappa acolyte, are you? That explains a lot desu.

>Just state what is weird about it.
You have ears - use them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2EJMd7ZN7w
Imo Frank probably would've LOVED her (politics aside.)

>Let me ask you this: if Grimes was an artist form 20 years ago, would you like her?
Not the person this question is directed to, but ABSOLUTELY. The main thing I like about her music is the way she goes about structuring her sounds - which is intrinsic to the way a particular musician's brain works, not to what specific sounds are being utilized (surface-listening-wise, Grimes' music would've sounded completely different if it had been made 20+ years ago.)

>People who care about art/music
But NOT pop art or pop music - aka most of what's artistically meaningful in the context of today.

>>73129337
It's decent pop music. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe they could use it in a video game.

>>73145036
>Nothing more, nothing less.
...than what other music? Using comparative terms to describe something without also naming at least one other thing to which comparison is being made renders your entire opinion moot.

>>73144697
Yeah Zappa would love it sure... just the same pop crap that has been fed to us for the last 7-10 years. Not that groundbreaking. Not even very good.

>>73145274
Nothing new has happened outside of hip hop for years. >>73145274
It's not good, it's not terrible. Just... waiting for something new. Shit is stale as fuck right now.

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>>73145336
>Not that groundbreaking. Not even very good.
Lol you still haven't listened to any of her music, have you? In case you feel inclined to join in on the 21st century of music making (even Zappa repressings get old after a while) see pic related for a vague idea of just maybe what to expect from the Grimes quarter (assuming I'm not lying, of course.)

>>73145367
>Nothing new has happened outside of hip hop for years.
TRANSLATION:
>I only listen to hip hop. Therefore the only new music I'm aware of lies in the hip hop genre, and things I don't know about objectively don't exist.
Lol.
Which hip hop artists do you like? (answering this will get you halfway toward completing your earlier incomplete comparison.)

>>73145336
Well first off there's a reason for that shit, it's because it works. It's formulaic pop music. It's been working for decades.

I'd argue that Grimes' earlier work does not adhere to this bullshit and shouldn't be judged in the same vein. I do, however, think she really likes that stereotypical bullshit pop and has tried to put some of it on her newest album.

Her earlier stuff bears no resemblance to that. Albeit even her newer stuff is still, IMO, more unique than most mainstream pop.

>>73129356
>experimental
>pop

pick one

>>73129880
all jokes aside. This album has set the stage for the trap pop music scene that will emerge in due time.

>>73142793
she's way hotter than grimes, it's not even a comparison

grimes is like her special needs retarded step sister

>>73145526
You read me completely wrong. I think most modern music is crap, but I can acknowledge that at least hip hop keeps innovating, even though I don't obsess over it. Nice try, though

>>73145712
To each their own. I think Grimes is more attractive. Something about her... I dunno. I think we're all programmed with different signal markers that we pick up on and it sets our fucking brain on fire or something. I don't know.

>>73144349
>thin sounding commercial edgy teen guitar with radio sounding processed edit effects to handle poor transitions..
>pitched up vocals stolen from rap and hip hop (cultural appropriation)
it sounds like something avril lavigne would have produced 5 years earlier, ridiculous to suggest this is unique or 'weird sounding'

>>73145759
>(cultural appropriation)

yes nigs invented the vocoder and auto tune. Research team was 100% ethnic Kenyans, look it up

>>73145759
Wait, up pitched vocals were stolen from rap? LOL. Listen fella, i've listened to Rap most of my life (back to the 80's) it was mos def. not taken from rap. It's an effect that has been around for AGES.

>>73145737
>I think most modern music is crap
Based on you regularly listening to it, or just based on what you've heard other people around you say about it? 'Cuz if the latter... welcome to contrarian hipster central.

>>73145759
>ridiculous to suggest this is unique or 'weird sounding'
How many other songs can you name that sound significantly like it?