Is she right?

I got cancer reading the title.

Yup. But it's not at all a bad thing. Stupid little bitch probably wears a choker and takes Chad dick anyway.

>>73126319
No you didn't

Even feminists hate bitches like that

>>73126300
my jaw is on the fucking floor currently. in other words, The Beatles made their music too interesting and "respectable" which "repelled the female gaze". The logical conclusion of her proposition is that women can't enjoy or comprehend respectable art.

this woman is so fucking stupid she can't even get her own ideology right

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>because it transformed The Beatles from being a band teenage girls could enjou to 'respectable art' aimed at 'grown men'.

That just transcends stupidity.

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>>73126300
>it's now feminist to imply that women shouldn't care about respectable art and only wet their panties over boy bands

>>73126455
where's the lie tho

Basically: "Their album is too good, a woman should have made it"

>>73126300
This is what happens when you realise your woman studies degree isn't worth jack shit in the real world.

>>73126456
how so

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>Grunge was seen by many, including music critics, as a redemptive music in the 1990s because it bounced girly pop songs from the likes of Madonna, Duran Duran and Michael Jackson off the charts.

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>>73126300
>women started hating them once they started making good music

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>>73126300
found a pic of the feminist writer

>>73126300
quality b8

>>73126593
lol'd

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>The album no longer revolved around me and what i wanted. Why should i be forced to expand my tastes :(((((((
women are a meme fellas. Don't worry, Thot Holocaust is coming..

>>73126300
On her wiki page:
>Conservative columnist Charlotte Allen called Marcotte "perpetually outraged".[29]
Sounds accurate

>>73126300
How about we just stop acknowledging these people's opinions? We absolutely do not need to pretend they have anything useful to say.

They have freedom of speech, not the freedom to have those words be respected.

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This is why I switched to fapping exclusively to traps.

>>73126628
The cycle of clickbait opinion journalism is already in full swing and virtually unstoppable at this point.

>>73126300
What is that album made by girls that didn't even know how to play their instruments or whatever? I think it came out in the 70s or something. I remember hearing about it in Cosmic Hearse.

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>One of the reasons I’m such a fan of early American punk bands like the Ramones and Blondie is that they explicitly tried to recapture the girlishness of 1960s rock and pop before the self-importance of albums like “Sgt. Pepper’s” took over. Joey Ramone in particular worshipped the girl groups of the ’60s, like the Ronettes, who used to share billings with the Beatles. But even punk eventually succumbed to that same logic that manliness equals credibility and requires “hard” or “difficult” pop music, and drifted away from the early ’60s-style sunniness of the Ramones to the brutish sounds of hardcore.
This bitch is the ultimate normie

what if the BEATles never existed

>>73126300
She's right though. Women are literally too stupid to understand respectable art. And their only desire is to fuck men. Amirite fellas.

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/29/against-sgt-pepper-the-beatles-classic-made-pop-seem-male-nerdy-and-important-and-that-wasnt-a-good-thing/

This is the original article.

>>73126455
>But during all this celebration, I’d like to take the time to pour one out for teenyboppers, who always get there first and all too rarely get the credit for it. In fact, the fate of the teenybopper is to watch her music get sneered at, right up until it gets taken away and turned into a respectable art form that it’s OK for grown men to like.

I legitimately had to check that Salon wasn't some Clickhole-like website.

>It was the transition album that turned rock from a debased music for ponytailed fans twisting the night away to music for grown men whose tastes are far too refined to worry about whether a pop song has a beat you can dance to.

Yeah you're right The Beatles were known to make tuneless bullshit that you can't dance to. can you even think of a single melody written by them? guess not.

>>73126657
Nobody takes this shit seriously through

Nobody likes Salon.

>>73126672
I thought Paul McCartney was supposedly good at writing melodies

>>73126702
Right you are Cotton

>>73126659
The Shaggs- Philosophy of the World

You can bet your bottom dollar that no poptimist was listening to this in 1970, but it was damn influential. I love it.

>>73126300
>feminism has now come full circle and embraced traditional gender roles
What the fuck is going on

It's almost a satire of itself.

>>73126736
What's so fab about it?

>>73126670
>Hip-hop is built on disco samples.

w-what?

>Some of it, like “She’s Leaving Home,” is forgettable
Fuck this bitch.

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>>73127137
triggered

>>73126455
>The Beatles
>Respectable art
Let's be reasonable here.

>>73126300
wtf I'm gay now

>>73126672
https://youtu.be/jenWdylTtzs
Pure avant-garde, right?

>>73127155
Why does /mu/ hate the beatles recently?

Even leonard bernstein though they were the bees knees

>>73127364
>Why does /mu/ hate the beatles recently?
Is this your first day here? It's the exact opposite. And /mu/ isn't one person.

>>73127364
Number is pretty low here, as is everywhere. I've always said... you don't have to think the Beatles were the greatest band ever, but no one with a brain or any semblance of taste doesn't appreciate them at least somewhat.

>>73127364
meme pasta

>Wah wah
>Why can't the Beatles stay the cuddly versions they were back in '65

>>73126300
Pop music was invented by male producers

>>73127115
It originally was. Funk and disco samples.

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>>73126300
Please don't take this as an opportunity to attack all women. It's the people at Salon that are mentally ill and support pedophilia.

Pic related female response from article.

>>73127947
4chan thinks women are a meme, this is just gonna feed that no matter what.

>>73126300
muricans are fucking insane

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>>73127947
is this woman patrician?

>women
>knowing anything about music

Her overall statement is ridiculous but there's a kernel of truth in it. Serious art is still considered to be for men, with women's art being cutesy, benign, etc. Of course, we've come along way for women in art.

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>>73127947

>>73128084
>with women's art being cutesy, benign, etc
not our fault that they have inadequate little brains desu

>>73127947
Just when I was starting to think all women were insane...

>>73127947
>Some of them you can even dance to
>Lists pop from her day and disco as examples
Like clockwork.

>>73128055
>Pop from my day is better than pop now
>Patrician

>>73128156
You should probably go outside more

Oh you know the more alternative, unknown gems. Radiohead, Swans, Death grips (ever heard of them?), Animal Collective, Captain Beefheart (rings a bell? no?), I sometimes spice things up with some underground rappers (such as Kendrick Lamar) and Lil peep.

>>73126639
that's a trap?

>>73126593
I don't think scruffy actually dislikes Sgt Pepper. He says on his site that a 7/10 is equal to five stars from most critics (judging by how many get that rating).

>>73126661
Is that from the article? I think she needs a history lesson or two.

>It was the transition album that turned rock from a debased music for ponytailed fans twisting the night away to music for grown men whose tastes are far too refined to worry about whether a pop song has a beat you can dance to.
Is she writing on behalf of today's listeners, or those in the 60s? I bet you the male fans with "refined" tastes who know the beatles catalog are more likely to know the Ronettes than the average fan. If the famous albums from the 60s don't initially capture your interest, you're unlikely to delve into the obscure ones.

If she's saying current female pop stars and their fans are held back by contemporaneous art rock albums, then I don't know where to begin.

But why would Sgt Pepper even be considered the transition to seriousness? Revolver and Rubber Soul weren't unserious albums, full of songs to dance to. Why not point at an album like Highway 61? Everything that can be said about Sgt Pepper can be said about that. A song like Desolation Row was already a long way from the teenybop world, and Dylan was far from unknown.

There's also the fact that a song like "Sugar Sugar" (which does call back to the early 60s vibes) was still topping the charts in 1969. That world still existed in parallel to everything else that was going on.

>>73127435
You'd be surprised. There are plenty of people who think about bands like the Beatles the same way you might think of One Direction or other rubbish that kids listen to.

>>73129111
Is this a copy pasta? Some of the albums that are considered well known around here only ever sold like 10,000 copies. What you know and what the normies know are worlds apart.

>>73127216
More like avante garde a clue

>>73129130
Someone answer this man

>>73126339
he did and so did i

>>73127364
>bernstein
>actually good
lad...

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What did she mean by this?

>>73126558
>girly pop songs

What did she mean by this

>>73127137
>>73127152
what an irredeemable fucking pleb

>>73126300
feminists being sexist
woah

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>>73126300
>pop music

>>73126670
Salon might as well be parody.

>>73127216
Yes, actually. In the realm of pop music, their early 60's singles were something new. Bob Dylan called their chords and harmonies outrageous.
Besides, I Want to Hold Your Hand is great song.

daily reminder that women are 100% meme

>>73130950
>feminism hipsters
what the fuck

she shouldn't criticize it for being more artsy
she should criticize it for being a weak album in general

>>73131069
>Besides, I Want to Hold Your Hand is great song.
Just don't.

>>73131069
>Bob Dylan called their chords and harmonies outrageous.
He's also a fan of Ornette Coleman. So, what now?
http://www.spin.com/2017/03/bob-dylan-interview-best-moments/

>>73126300
Of course she's right. We all know the Beatles kept hordes of women in cages and repeatedly fed them only the bowels of half drowned and stil live bloated sheep. They were forced to wear name tags but regardless of their names they were all call 'Lassie'. I heard that the Beatles would make them stand for hours on end and that their skin would rot from the inability to sit down like battery hens that they would siphon their spirit away from for their true lord Quebzcotakla Gwenvirudinom who would in turn reward them with music. 100% pure satan = The Beatles.

This might be the worst article ever written
Not only is it wrong, it's 100% against the cause making women look stupider than they are and there are still plenty of women who like Sgt Peppers, so what about them?

>>73127947
>weird
>Gaga
I understand Ono and Björk but wew

>>73131149
If you don't have a pussy then shut up.
Her body, her choice, her life!

>>73126558
>Sleater-Kinney, Babes in Toyland, Hole, L7, Pixies/ The Breeders, Sonic Youth don't exist

Jesus she's really dumb

>>73131135
>He's also a fan of Ornette Coleman.
So? That's a bad thing?

ooh boy, it's "take a provocative stance to get (you)s" season. She's got it backwards anyhow, her gripe should be with the fact that the world of "respectable art" as she puts it, was male-dominated, not with art having aspirations beyond the commercial.

>>73131342
Yes Ornette Coleman was a part of the black nationalist sect of the 4th Reich a previously hidden and unknown faction waiting for the prophet to arrive whence the world would know their true calling as universal antisemite crab fisherman and flee landlocked areas to take their rightful place as seafaring rangers as their ultimate final universal form.

>>73131342
Not at all. Nor did I try to imply that. I don't know who this is though:
>>73131385

>>73130898
No you didn't

>>73131214
to be fair, she does try REALLY hard to be Bjork, it's just that anyone with taste sees right through it.

>>73126558
>>73131274
If you look at the year end charts for every year of the 90's, pop's reign in the charts wasn't dented at all. If anything, grunge killed hair-metal, a genre I'm sure Amanda has limitless petty snark for.

>>73131540
She makes shitty dance-pop with "xD quirky costumes" and I've heard people compare her to Bjork on here. Fuck this board man

Ignore /pol/ threads

>>73131664
It would be better if mods banned them. Wishful thinking.

>>73131076
this, but men are too
because gender is a social construct, which basically makes it a meme

>>73126300
How the fuck should I know
You linked a critique article telling me what to think about her piece without letting me actually read it.
Probs out of context stuff to stir shit.

>>73126300
>lets write a stupid article about another stupid article ive seen
holy shit why is daily mail so retarded
how is "feminist writer attacks the beatles" a newsworthy event?
someone should write an article about how both of the articles are fucking terrible

>>73126567
Rlly gets the nogging jogging

>>73126300
Black men are more tolerant and open minded guise

women trigger me

How do we save modern women?

>>73132302

why would you want to

>>73133421
I want to eventually marry one

>>73126300
The original article was maybe the worst thing I ever read

>>73126339
i did too, omfg

>>73126300
>this isn't the onion

wew

>>73128156
if you base your opinion on women by what's on the internet, you're extremely retarded

>>73126300
The girl who wrote the article sounds so painfully unaware of how sexist she sounds implying that girls can only appreciate simple music
She's also making the assumption that her personal tastes are universal.

>>73126300
>The Daily Caller
>Amanda Marcotte

This is like posting a HuffPo article like "Popular Conservative Writer Ann Coulter Attacks Vetereans"
-Right-wing Ideologue Ann Coulter calls veterans "pussies"

Amanda Marcotte literally earns a living through angry clicks, and the Daily Mail subsists by using people who live on angry clicks to remind you why you need to vote Trump.

>>73133596
Did you read the original article this is referencing?

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>>73133569
>Stop saying women are stupid
>Stop making music challenging

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From the original salon article:

>Look at disco, for instance. Disco is classic girl music — or, more accurately, music for girls and gay men.

Totally false, disco was first and foremost a men genre for men, all the producers behind it were men, women were only "used" for the vocals and the music was targeted to black and gay people, both men and women.
She's even slightly homophobic, oh the irony, implying gay men are girls in disguise.

>Sgt. Pepper” is a good pop record, don’t get me wring. But it’s a record I resent, because it helped cement this notion that music for girls is silly and music for men is artistically significant. It’s a notion that is doubly appalling because history shows, time and time again, that girl-tastes are the ones that are ahead of the curve.

She is an idiot, she doesn't know that female musicians can do artistically significant music (Bjork, Kate Bush, Fiona Apple, etc.)

>>73133881
Let's not forget Nico, Billie Holliday, Nina Simone, Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughan.

>>73133881
>history shows, time and time again, that girl-tastes are the ones that are ahead of the curve.
This is a perfect "what did she mean by this" moment. Seriously, how can she prove such an statement

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>salon

>>73133618
yes, and I've been aware of Amanda Marcotte since she got into that tiff with Slate Star Codex over whether nerds with social anxiety face any sort of real social disadvantage

her take: "no."

http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/01/01/untitled/

--anyway, point is Daily Caller is a hyper-partisan muckraking non-news site that devotes itself to covering left-leaning notorious controversy queen non-journalists like Amanda Marcotte.

In fairness to her, I think she had a good premise: there's a hierarchy in music, and it's often based on who your fans are. Teenage girls are at the very bottom of the hierarchy, which is a shame because teenage girls actually have a pretty good track record of discovering artists.

She's a fundamentally bitter person, though, when she's writing about feminist topics (and she often writes about feminist topics) and can't help but try to land as many acerbic digs against men as she can. She always does this shit: starts off with a fine premise for a hot take and then goes overboard just pushing it as far as she can and wording everything as insultingly as possible.

And then, of course, Daily Caller, The Blaze, Breitbart, et. al. can be relied upon to pounce on it and say "LOOK AT THIS. LOOK AT WHAT LEFTISTS BELIEVE. ONLY TRUMP CAN SAVE YOU FROM THIS."

It's like a shitty self-sustaining terrarium of second-tier hyperbolic journalism. The crazy extremists from both sides acting as political representatives for clicks.

>>73133881
>>73134075
>because history shows, time and time again, that girl-tastes are the ones that are ahead of the curve.

Proofs?

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>>73126670
>Some of it, like “She’s Leaving Home,” is forgettable. It’s a B-plus record. It’s no “Dare” by Human League, that’s for sure.

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>>73134187
>not loving "Dare" by Human League

Also, does anyone else usually skip "She's Leaving Home"? Not cuz I think it's a bad song; I do it 'cuz it depresses the hell out of me.

>>73128084
>Serious art is still considered to be for men
see, it's bland language like this that makes these discussions so useless
considered how? where? by whom?
you cannot possibly believe that just stating hogwash like that constitutes an argument

She kind of has a point. I've only ever heard women enjoying the Beatle's early stuff, the I Want to Hold Your Hand kind of material. I've never heard a woman listen to Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, White Album, etc.

>>73134921
Probably because you've never interacted with a woman in your life

>>73127947
Hit the nail on the head.

>take a screenshot of a shitty Daily Mail article
>100+ replies

This board is fucking pathetic

>>73135543
Sorry roastie, but it's the truth. Most women are only into top40 music. The ones that are passionate about other music are into genres like classical music or jazz.

>>73126300
Yeah, fuck this I'm going outside.

havent laughed so hard in a long time, thanks OP

also

>wtf I love /pol/ now

I'm offended that the Beatles are getting credit for this

>shes active on twitter right now

someone send her the thread

>>73137191
This.

>>73133994
>>73133881

also Joanna Newsom, Julia Holter, Janelle Monae, Nina Simone, and like dozens of other fantastic female artists who strangely never get the credit they deserve from these writers

like seriously how come feminists always cite "artists" like Beyonce, Adele, Lady Gaga, etc. as examples of STRONG, INDEPENDENT WOMEN when they make manufactured garbage pop music?

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>>73137901

>>73137901
I mentioned Nina Simone, but I forget Ninet Tayeb and Diamanda Galas.

>>73137926
Forgot*

>>73137922

??? how am I fedora?

>>73134116
who
>>73136163
>roastie
lmoa

>>73130512
:^)

>>73137901
Cause Beyonce, Adele, and Gaga have a giant platform that can be used for a greater good and everyone already knows who they are? Why would you name drop nobodies in an article aimed at the general public. Janelle and Nina can get away with it maybe

Gaga and arguably most of Beyonce's recent stuff is less mainstream friendly than Janelle's current stuff too so idk what that tangent at the end was for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OkB6p_FZAw

>>73128084
That's because men are about ideas and women are about aesthetics. One sticks around and creates new interpretations, the other looks nice.

>>73138104

hmmm maybe instead of worshiping divas, feminists should try bringing more attention to actual talented female artists. really makes you think huh

>>73138153
>men are about ideas and women are about aesthetics
theres nothing that i love more then edgelords posting unsubstantiated bullshit about how men and women are fundamentally different

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>>73129130
>>73130881
You be the judge

>>73138344
none of them hold a candle to beyonce and gaga when it comes to live performances, singing, dancing, putting on a show.

that is a talent.

?

>>73126300
>Implying Sgt Pepper was their first album on the level of respectable art

Rubber Soul and Revolver are patrician

>>73138462
Men and women are extremely different in pretty much every way.

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>>73138543
>putting on a show

>>73138153
See this is the legitimate sexist thing that deserves to be called out hiding behind Amanda Marcotte's shitty article. She's right that a lot of dudes think this way, and it sucks. She just took it to a ridiculous and shitty extreme that shit on the Beatles for no apparent reason.

>>73138669
>post a picture of the man who became president of the united states using only that very talent and nothing more

>>73126300
i thought lonely hearts were allowed though

>>73138608
They are not

>>73137901
Cause the majority of feminist are plebs thatlisten to entry level top40 garbage.

>>73138860
Ah, you got me with that one.

>>73126300
Articles like this are the reason why John Lennon was a wife beating drunk.

(And congrats on getting dubs)

>>73138543

>live performance

maybe

>singing

no

there is a difference between a performer and an artst

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>>73126659
This is the album.
The band: The Shaggs
The album: Philosophy of The World

>>73127023
There's a child like innocence to their approach.
It's honest and genuine. That's the basic charm.
(Or that's what makes it "Fab" if you will)

>>73133712
>girls only have the mental capabilities to understand three-chord pop rock

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>>73137901
>Joanna Newsom, Julia Holter, Janelle Monae, Nina Simone
>never get the credit they deserve

>>73127364
Huh? And I thought he said it was The Cat's Pajamas.........

>>73138608
[citation needed]

>>73126300
it's a love-hate relation with feminism this day, i hate them for being so fucking stupid but i love them always going a step further into making their ideology a joke not worth anyone's time

>>73126300
not really, the era that they ushered in brought about the feminist writings of >tlgo. The growth of feminist theory and the development of the Beatles music amongst others and inseparable

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>>73138052

>>73126300
I have nothing against feminism or even women in general. But this is retarded, this women is fucking dumb.

>>73126670
This has to be satire

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>>73126300
Are women ever right?

>>73126300
The problem isn't her writing the article, it's that the people she works for took it seriously.

There are plenty of loons in the world, but now we have a dumb media that allows loons to write "thinkpieces" on stuff that is a completely nonsensical social justice interpretation of trivialities.

Of course 4chan will act as if there aren't right wing loons propped up by Fox News either, but they would rather cherry pick dummies propped up by clickbait sites instead of attack the real issue which is a lack of ethics and objectivity in journalism.

>>73139510
Talk to a woman once in your life

>>73126300
No, very stupid

>>73134122
I'd swop bitter for revisionist. Also from what I read (which seems to still be going through editorial after publication) the greater potential debate on (apologies before hand) the roles of gender in music was lost on Amanda.