Name me ONE female artist who writes all their own music and

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>>73113368
>dykes are basically men
epic, simply epic

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>>73113368

>>73113398
/thread

>>73113398
yeah you could tell she writes her own music. shit sounds like a child found a room full of instruments and computers

>>73113368
me nigga

Newsom, Holter, the list goes on...

my god, that dress

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Did you actually think there weren't any?

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>>73113368
Klô Pelgag

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impossible

>>73113368
>without the help of any writers/producers.
doubtful

I'm not denying she's talented, but just listen to her shit. it's heavily, heavily producer influenced from song to song.

Yvette Young

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>>73113446
uh actually she gets help for the orchestral arrangements..

>>73113466
Beat me too it.

>>73113466
It's a really good album, but didn't Fiona only co-produce it? She definitely got help from Charley Drayton.

>>73113429
How many listens does your soundcloud project have, Josh?
Any positive reviews?

>>73113568
whoms josh? also nice ad hominem. how bout you come up with a real retort that attacks my argument?

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mette henriette

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>>73113368
There are loads in the past, or do you mean just modern ones?

>>73113368
Joanna Newsom

>>73113567
>Name me ONE female artist who writes all their own music and lyrics
He played instruments, he didn't write any songs

>>73113597
if you truly don't understand why grimes is good, you've already done more to destroy yourself than I could ever do with words. don't blame your parents, man. this one's on you.

>>73113368
You're a freak

>>73113567
Dude asked for songs written by the girl. He played on all of them but she wrote everything.

>>73113640
>leaving out the relevant part of OP's sentence
I never mentioned writing. He has production credits

>>73113568
Have you seriously deluded yourself enough to believe she will fuck you if you defend her garbage on an anonymous image board? Seek help.

grouper, right? laurel halo? it seems that way anyway...

>>73113398
/thread

>>73113429
you dumb subjective opinion about her music is irrelevant. stay on topic.

>>73113675
I'm gay, don't like having sex either.
I jerk off guys and that's enough for me.
The point is that most of this board is failed musicians, or people that were too scared to try and pretend they're above Grime's annoying, but acclaimed songs.

>>73113504
You must have a very exceptionally trained ear boy.

>>73113568
>>73113642
>>73113926
SHOO SHOO GRIMESFAG

>>73113368
Name a Male artist who writes all their own music and lyrics without the help of any writers/producers

>>73114039
Me

PJ Harvey
Regina Spektor
Girlschool
Deap Vally

Eat a dick OP

>>73113995
Not an argument
Stay a failure tho

>>73113368
Who the fuck is dorito head

>>73113926
Holy shit that projection.
You do realise Grimes' music sounds like shit and does nothing original, and it is perfectly reasonable for people who are just into listening to music to point such a fact out, right?

>>73114039
anthony kiedis
robert plant
thom yorke
john frusciante
joe strummer

>>73113368
Joanna Newsom

duh.

>>73114170
>fact
you sure convinced me Mr. Fact

>>73114039
me

>>73114039
Viper the Rapper

>>73113597
>a real retort that attacks my argument?
But you didn't make a real argument - i.e one capable of being retorted desu.

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Those was all the dicks that Kendrick had to suck

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>>73114227
>anthony kiedis
RHCP's songs are credited to the entire band
>robert plant
Nearly all of Plant's solo material was co-written, same with Zeppelin
>thom yorke
one song on each of thom's solo albums were co-written. basically all of radiohead's work is credited to the entire band
>john frusciante
Multiple songs released under his name were co-written with someone else
>joe strummer
Majority of The clash's discography is co-written

u tried

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>>73114390
Alright then mate

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>>73114326
>all those people
>still unable to produce even one decent song

>>73114390
Male "musicians" BTFO

>>73114039
Tom Waits

>>73113640
>without the help of any writers/producers.
Now, you and I might know that producers don't have a role in song/lyric writing (if they do, then they get double-credited as writers too.) However the OP clearly didn't get that far in his/her logical process of forming the question. Clearly they meant someone who also doesn't really on production from other people on their albums. So that would exclude e.g. Newsom.
Sorry mate.

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>>73114414
>you
>still unable to produce a decent song

>>73113368
Yvette Bova

>>73114170
>You do realise Grimes' music sounds like shit and does nothing original, and it is perfectly reasonable for people who are just into listening to music to point such a fact out, right?
one of the shittiest opinions i've ever heard. grimes is actually awesome and her music is super acclaimed. you're a mere contrarian. get fucked.

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>>73114482
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franks_Wild_Years

>>73113429
>no true scotsman
fuck off

>>73114482
He writes with his wife all the time. Some, like Mule Variations, have more in collaboration with his wife than by himself.

>>73113368
Angel Olsen

if a woman doesn't do every facet of an album herself she is a talentless decadent slut
if a man has the help of producers engineers or songwriters though it's okay he gets a free pass

>>73114535
>he still cannot comprehend the concept of specialisation and division of labour
It's been 12 000 years now, get with the times. People can critique people working in fields different from theirs now, you literal neanderthal.

>>73113429
Mozart wrote his first full symphony (on his era's equivalent of a DAW - a Fortepiano) when he was 8 years old. What is your point?

>>73114622
Who hurt yu grl?

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Poptimists BTFO again

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>>73114227
>Anthony Kiedis
I could fart into my laptop's mic and it would be better than anything that hack has put out.

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Ayumi Hamasaki has wrote every single song on her 17 studio albums, and is the 3rd best selling Japanese artist of all time.

Only exception are covers and duet with a rapper who wrote his rap part in the song.

a MAN will never be able to accomplish this.

>>73114747
ching chong, ling long, ding dong x 17

Let me just end this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGSVNBIs5Wc

>>73114747
Japs are Übermensch though so it's not really fair to compare.

>>73114227
>anthony kiedis
most of rhcp songs have been written by flea

>>73114747
>Ayumi Hamasaki has wrote every single song on her 17 studio albums,
All of which were produced entirely by her "mentor" - a guy by the name of Max.

This is why I can't stand any of the far-East K-pop K-pop stuff. None of it is any more than skin deep if you go digging.

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>>73113368

>>73114899
* K-pop J-pop stuff...

>>73114747
>Ayumi Hamasaki
>Producer: Max Matsuura
dude, you're forgetting about producing...

>tfw youll never feel nickis ass slam against your lower stomach
feels bad man

>>73114938
nevermind. the op asked just about songwriting.

>>73114899
how is her consistently working with the same man (who contributed 0 to her songwriting) supposed to be a bad thing?

don't know why you autists are so hell bent on this when as we've seen in this thread literally everyone gets help in the creation of an album one way or another. is that not common sense

>>73114227
>anthony kiedis
You retarded? Dude is purely the vocalist and lyricist.

>>73114390
wow I didn't know Radio Head's stuff was credited to the entire band, and I've seen many people here give shit to other bands that do that for some reason.

dumb

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>>73113368
molly

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>>73113368
Literally all female composers.

>>73113368
get ur head out of the ass of modern music faggot

>>73115436
Literally who?

>>73115085
>supposed to be a bad thing?
Firstly, I never used the word 'bad'.
In the era of electronic music production, the producer is arguably more relevant to the authorship of a given piece of music than the songwriter/lyricist (because they are the ones tasked with actually making the completed sounds that the listeners hear.)

To add some historical perspective to this - you know all those famous classical musicians like Mozart or Beethoven? Do you know what they are actually famous for? Composing music - NOT writing lyrics (Mozart's Don Giovanni was based on a pre-existing libretto written by Lorenzo da Ponte) And NOT writing songs (Beethoven's Ninth was based on a pre-existing hymn tune/set of lyrics.)
Composition is the process of taking components like song ideas, lyrics, and melodies and rendering them into the completed sounds that listeners actually hear.

Which is why the identity of the producer in electronically produced music is vitally important to accurately establishing authorship. Because the electronic music producers of today are the direct equivalent of musical composers from eras previous - not traditional "songwriters" or lyricists.

>when as we've seen in this thread literally everyone gets help in the creation of an album
Go re-read the thread, because that objectively ISN'T the case in terms of production.

>>73113539
most musicians work with other musicians to some degree, you just want to shit on women for some reason
you know you can have good taste and also not be a 30 year old virgin

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what's with people putting qualifications on musical prowess here?
name 3 other women performers who do their own hair when they wake up

>>73115719
>what's with people putting qualifications on musical prowess here?
Welcome to music creation fandom, anon. Are you new around here?

>>73115719
Also, are you looking for an actual answer to this question?

>>73113398
Who is she?

>>73114039
Motherfucking Prince.

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>>73113642
>if you truly don't understand why grimes is good, you've already done more to destroy yourself than I could ever do with words.

grimesfags are fucking insane

>>73114039
Those ween fellahs
They were touring they means new album right?

>>73115920
Past tense, I'm afraid.

>>73115964
Says the person triggered-posting on 4chan...

>>73115531
didn't use bad, you just worded it another way
>This is why I can't stand any of the far-East K-pop K-pop stuff. None of it is any more than skin deep if you go digging.
which already doesn't make much sense. if "ayumi hamasaki" was a band and max was one of the members, or max was singing himself, would that all of a sudden make their music authentic? would that make it ~deep~???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am..._(Ayumi_Hamasaki_album)

she created 8 compositions alone for this album. so are all other other albums now less validated cause she didn't do that? or does it not count at all cause she didn't produce it alone hmmm!

history lesson was cute but has nothing to do with the thread

>Go re-read the thread, because that objectively ISN'T the case in terms of production.
literally every single artist mentioned in this thread either didn't produce their albums, or got help. so who exactly are you referring to. even grimes, who is listed as the sole producer on her last couple albums doesn't really fit the bill. cause last i checked she needed help with the mastering and mixing

no matter how small it is every contribution counts, and adds another name to the album credits, which is the entire point of this thread. if you wanna argue about which contributions matter more/less and truly feel that it makes the music more superior then go adjust your fedora and make a new thread

>>73115275 #
>>73114836 #
>>73114390 #
For all the hate Anthony Kiedis gets, he writes the vocal melodies and lyrics all by himself. A lot of the time, he writes the song and others follow.
>>73114709 #
You might hate him, but he writes better lyrics and songs than Mike Patton. I like Mike Patton but his lyrics are even more nonsensical and lack any depth. He is always surrounded by very talented musicians like Gould, Jim Martin, or Trevor Dunn.

>>73116199
Tbqh her parts are not even on Heads' best albums thanks to Eno.

>cmd-F
>no Kate Bush

>>73116856
see >>73113493
Yeah Kate did it all, from the writing to the production, at least from The Dreaming and onward.

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>>73115887
The almighty Claire Boucher. You may know her as Grimes.

>>73115964
>grimesfags
>expecting to be taken seriously

>>73116856
St. Vincent and Bjork are missing too. Them and Kate Bush, Karin Dreijer and Grimes are basically the most talented female musicians ever.

>>73114622
That's not true though.

>>73113539
Having seperate arrangers is the oldest shit in the book
Tons of classical composers did not arrange

>>73115887
The hero /mu/ deserves...

>>73113671
OP never mentioned producing. Only that if there were producers they didn't write anything

>>73117220
>St. Vincent
>not a dilettante who ran out of material several albums ago and is just sponging off of the more-talented

>>73117324
No. St. Vincent released 4 amazing solo albums in a row. That collab with Byrne was kinda mediocre, but her songs were the best by far (e.g. Ice Age). Stop hating her and admit it that she's the real deal.

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>>73113368
Regina Spektor, she is everyone's waifu and if you don't think so than you're not on the level

>>73113539
doesn't make ys any less of a perfect album

>>73115887
The Bjork of our generation

>>73114039
Me.

>>73114039
Elliott Smith.
Trent Reznor in his early years.

>>73114039
Nearly every black metal musician.

>>73113472
Lucky that she has a good arranger.

OP here. How are you literally still posting in this thread lmao

>>73114039
As much as I hate to say it, I think Varg does everything on his own.

>>73117947
tits you idiot

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>>73116220
>would that all of a sudden make their music [more] authentic?
Yes, because multiple people making/releasing music as a band (a multi-person entity by definition) is being honest. Whereas multiple people making/releasing music under the guise of a solo artist is literally false advertising.

>she created 8 compositions alone for this album.
And neither arranged nor produced ANY of them, according to that same Wikipedia article.

>mastering and mixing
Aren't a part of the creative workflow behind making music. They are crafts performed by craftsmen, rather than artforms performed by artists (hence why the fall under the "craft category" extra review part of the Grammy nomination process, for example.) The end-goal of mixing/mastering/engineering is to take sounds created and manipulated by others (performers and producers respectively) and render them to a final listening audience in as faithfully a fashion to the performer/producer's original artistic vision as possible. The ideal engineering/mix/mastering job has absolutely no effect on the creative content of a piece of music.

>literally every single artist mentioned in this thread either didn't produce their albums, or got help
Solo female artists mentioned ITT so far who have independently produced all or most of their album releases:
+ Grimes (4 of 4)
+ Julia Holter (3 of 5)
+ Grouper (5 of 5)
+ Laurel Halo (3 of 3)
+ Kelly Lee Owens (1 of 1)
+ Kate Bush (7 of 10)

>>73113368
Nicki has righteous jugs

>>73113368
the go gos

>>73118110
so according to you any person that contributes to the musical process, that isn't an official member of the band, is dishonest and false advertising. just because something is released under a performers name, no where does it imply that they did everything themselves.

who would even automatically come to that conclusion. not how the industry works, not how it will ever work

interesting how someone with that mindset goes on to use the GRAMMYS as a source. as for ayumi i literally said in the same sentence that she didn't produce it alone, but thanks for clearing it up again.

anyway good for those 6 musicians, some of the few who are capable of being lone wolves. hopefully them and the other 12 in the industry who do it ALONE can teach everyone else how to make real music

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>>73113398
OP BTFO HE MAY NEVER RECOVER

>>73113539
yeah this is a ridiculous level of nitpicking. are y'all actually so desperate to shit on women that you need an album which has literally only one person credited for everything? you're not going to find it for just about anyone, male or female, but grimes, fiona apple, lydia ainsworth, grouper, joni mitchell all come really close


>>73114227
pretty much what >>73114390 said, although
>Thom Yorke
particularly spicy choice there since everyone knows that Jonny Greenwood does almost all of the production and arrangement, if not a huge chunk of the actual songwriting. get real dude, almost no artist does literally all songwriting, instrumental performances, lyrics, arranging, and production all by themselves.

>>73113368
The ones I thought of have all been mentioned except Feist, Vashti Bunyan, Sibylle Baier, People Like Us and Imogen Heap

I guess I could think of others

>>73119344
>musical process,
Musical process? No. CREATIVE process? Technically yes.

> not how the industry works,
No shit, Sherlock.

>not how it will ever work
For the vast majority of artists lacking in artistic integrity? Sure. But those aren't the people being talked about ITT.

> she didn't produce it alone
Not "not alone". AT ALL. Based on your own cited sources, she has never gone beyond the basic singer/songwriter role in the creation of any of her albums. Which doesn't mean you can't like her music desu. However, It does beg the question: whose music is it that you actually like?

>hopefully them and the other 12 in the industry who do it ALONE can teach everyone else how to make real music
Totally. If there's one thing modern music culture/industry needs right now, it is more artists (both male and female) being their own, independent selves in it.

>>73119496
>but grimes, fiona apple, lydia ainsworth, grouper, joni mitchell all come really close
see
>>73118110
I ran through the discos of every person mentioned in this thread, and those 6 are the ONLY ones who technically qualify. Was pretty surprised myself.

>>73113515
My nigga

>>73113624
took far too long for this post

I've always respected Imogen Heap for her songwriting and production.

>>73114123
someone please answer this man

I want to listen to dorito head the dyke

>>73122459
oh it's st. vincent

jk don't want to listen to her

>>73114039
Me.

Ctrl+f
Courtney Barnett.
No Courtney Barnett


Courtney Barnett.

Bjork, Kate Bush, Miharu Koshi

>>73113368
Me

>i'm a gril btw

Grimes is still the best one posted ITT. Her music is tremendously good.

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>>73113368
She writes 99% of her stuf and does the cover art

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If you said male...

>>73122874
No it's not. She's not better than Kate Bush

>>73123001
half of his beats come from random soundcloud users

>>73123022
Grimes surpassed Kate Bush. Kate was good back in her day but things changed...

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I mean the other members of the band write their parts but she writes all of hers and the lyrics.

Lucinda Williams
Tori Amos
Aimee Mann
Beth Orton
Patty Griffin
Natalie Merchant
Shelby Lynne
Dolly Parton
Loretta Lynn
Sleater-Kinney

>>73114039
Noel gallagher aka POTATO

>>73123022
Anon, the fact remains: Kate Bush was a part of the past. Grimes is part of the future.

>>73113621
the bitch is badassed

Frankie Cosmos might?

>>73113621
She even painted the album covers.

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>>73114227

>>73113368
I think it's a little unfair for faulting people for not getting their own production. most artists don't self-produce

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/thread

I just discovered Kelly Lee Owens and i'm sure she 100% does everything...

If i'm correct Jessy Lanza also does everything herself.

These two women aren't mainstream and it deff seems harder to find mainstream women who indefinitely play the instruments, and write the lyrics.

>>73125193

True. If you're talking about most rappers and singers these days, they aren't playing the guitar, synths, etc.

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>>73114899
>It was the first time for Sheena to produce her own album herself. The album was produced in about one year longer than the period of production of the past two albums. Sheena didn’t record a band all at once as had been done in her previous albums, but recorded one instrument at a time using overdubbing and multitracking. She used not only the rock band ensemble but also the various musical instruments such as folk instruments from Japan and other regions, string instruments, wind instruments, percussion instruments, as well as music sequencer and orchestra. In order to reduce budgets, she used her own Macintosh computer and cheap recording equipment, and composed and edited the songs herself using computer software, while sometimes exchanging the arranged songs with Uni Inoue. She recorded one musical instrument in one room of her house while recording the ensemble parts (string section, etc.) in another room.
>Shiina Ringo is credited as vocals, lyrics, composer, pipe organ, koto, percussion, piano, erhu, prepared piano, orchestration, shamisen, melodica, alto recorder, kalimba, harmonium, Jew's harp, drums, electric guitar, arranger, harpsichord, whistle

You listen to this album? It's fucking nuts and was all Shiina writing it.

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>>73115491
>Only knowing about popular music
Poor thing

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>>73113368
Juana Molina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7h3KDMJFU

>>73113368
That girl from The Knife. Produces and did a solo album (or two?)

>>73125193
It's also ruling out bands, instrumental composers, etc.

Narrowing it down to solo pop performers who do everything themselves is overly little restrictive. It's not like that's the pinnacle of music.

>>73113368
She sucks. Even Grimes is better (on a side note: /mu/, stop making threads like this I hate saying that Grimes is better than enyone thank you).
>>73114039
Liam Howlett.

>>73125303
>It's fucking nuts and was all Shiina writing it.
Although not all her performing, orchestrating, or producing it (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalk_Samen_Kuri_no_Hana#Credits_and_personnel )

Although seeing the sheer number of performers/types of instruments involved in its making does have me intrigued desu.

>>73126072
>It's not like that's the pinnacle of music.
It actually kinda is atm. Who makes the most money/gets the most fame/cultural attention right now? Popstars. So popstars who also have absolute creative control over the music they perform are pretty much top-dog atm.

>>73125303
Shiina's great! really like that album, but I prefer Sanmon Gossip overall

>>73126080
>Liam Howlett.
yeah and most other electronic artists

that's kind of not really fair; the solo artist thing is totally doable and basically the default way of working

>>73126111
The number of albums with elaborate orchestration performed entirely by one person would be extremely small.

>>73126189
Most profitable doesn't mean best or most sophisticated. Anyway a pop star auteur is going to be pretty much nonexistant since they'd be spread way too thin. A real pop star is going to have expensive production, videos, choreography, photo shoots, set design for live performances, etc. plus promotional shit. You really need to take advantage of specialization at that point and leave stuff to other people.

>>73126285
>A real pop star is going to have expensive production, videos, choreography, photo shoots, set design for live performances, etc. plus promotional shit.
In this day and age, the only one of those items truly out of reach of a single highly determined, intellectually agile person with a lot of time on their hands is promotion.

>>73125997
I only have interest in works of great men, not children who try to immitate them.

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>>73113398

>>73114622
This. Exhibit A: This fucking thread

-Julien Baker
-Maureen "Moe" Tucker

>>73114539
>one of the shittiest opinions i've ever heard. grimes is actually awesome and her music is super acclaimed. you're a mere contrarian. get fucked.

this is such a shit sentence please stop posting

ur mom when she plays my skin flute lmao

>>73113368
Her titty is going to get cold

>le I'm making a fashion face
Jesus fucking christ this shit has gotten out of hand.
And I love it.

>>73117184
what is this pic for fucks sakes I keep seeing it since a few months ago and never questioned it

>>73117220
bjork have a lot of producers to aid her. I am not saying she doesnt write her music, jsut that she has a lot of help from others in the creative process. Not a bad thing just saiyan

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Tori Amos.

Produiced every one of her albums after "Under the Pink"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPgtq4EU-qs

>>73114644
early mozart is pretty shit save for the jeunehomme concerto

>>73129656
She had many producers to help her, but she did a fairly big part of her music.

>>73114039
Martin tressender

>>73126025
Nah. She would have had a hand in the songwriting for the Knife's stuff, but I don't think she's a producer. Her solo album was definitely not produced solely by her.