Merzbow is like a music equivalent of those feminist liberal

>>73107316
>classical is snobby
What a revelation.

>>73107316
I think it has more to do with the fact that he's Japanese. No one would care if he was just some Czech guy making noise records.

>merzbow
it's 2001 again

>>73107331
Noisefag detected.

You fags are like Marilyn Manson fanboys who never grew up. Whenever someone points out that noise is shit you just repeat "it's too deep and intense for you" nonsense.

>>73107316
>>73107365
Your point being?

>>73107382
Noise is pretentious shit.

>>73107386
Why? How?

>>73107395
Because it's just bunch of incoherent noise and people try to overanalyze it than what it really is: noise.

>>73107386
In what way?

While I admit a lot of art school students are talentless and self obsessed (or even worse, generic animators who stick to the same CalArts cookie cutter style), traditionalists terrified of deviation from the norm, especially young reactionaries, are the cringiest of all. They are the artistic equivalent to an autistic alt right guy who plays video games and complains about the degeneracy of his high school classmates.

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>listen to noise and lolicore all day
>don't give a shit what /mu/ says

>>73107365
I fucking hate noise. Don't make assumptions, you silly goose.

>>73107439
>lolicore
now THATS pathetic

>>73107419
sometimes it sounds cool tho

>>73107419
Oh okay, i get that it's just noise.
The accompanying lyrics can have meaning and so can various noises in the music.

Merzbow literally did nothing wrong and his music is for personal consumption

>>73107439
>lolicore
what is this and where can I find some?

>>73107419
Literally no one analyzes noise, pretty much anyone who is really into noise likes it unironically
it's there for contrast with "normal" music
>>73107429
good post senpai
>>73107439
I assume you already know about the Tsundere Violence and Toxic Loli labels?

>>73107429
Traditionalists aren't terrified of deviation from the norm. It's the fact that modern artists aren't able to do anything other than cheap stunts for shock value and no one willing to continue and preserving the traditional techniques that's off putting.

>>73107472
Then wouldn't that mean the instrumentals are unnecessary and the lyrics can be appreciated without the instrumentals if it's just noise?

>>73107439
what the fuck is lolicore?

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>>73107456
this is me caring what /mu/ thinks
>>73107482
Yes.
>>73107499 I was going to point you to https://lolicore.ch/ but it's dead?
Good thing I have the entire site on my hard drive.

>>73107497
you forgot to read the second half of his sentence anon

>>73107497
> modern artists aren't able to do anything other than...
You're looking at the wrong artists then lol
>no one willing to continue and preserving the traditional techniques
Proofs? There are plenty of oil painters, sculpture artists. There's a ton of variety and it's that you're not looking in the right places.

>>73107316
i'm literally a fascist and i like merzbow
lighten up faggot

>>73107534
hows high school going?

>>73107553
i graduated 3 years ago m8

try opening an art history book

You don't have to like it, but its trajectory was inevitable by the turn of the 20th century, probably even further back to Wagner even. Given this contextualization, it's worth an attempt at understanding if you even pretend to be serious about non-popular modern music (see: Darmstadt serialists, musique concrete, and so on that are lateral to noise aesthetics in terms of exploring the nature of sounds).

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>>73107419
Counterpoint: I just like it

anyone can learn a few chords and use the circle of fifths plus some grade school poetry to write the next wonderwall. Why hate merz for making something that doesnt sound like your conservative notion of music? nobody will forget theory because there will always be dream theatres and fedoras like you to hold it in great esteem despite being sterile, overdecorated garbage

>>73107565
>>73107468
these two comments basically sum up my feelings on noise

>>73107497
No. The instrumentals may or may not be necessary depending on the artist. Lyrics can be appreciated even if considered unintelligible or in glossolalia.

>>73107566
>sterile overdecorated garbage

What are we talking about again?

>>73107561
From kindergarten? Congrats

>>73107671
shhh you'll upset the narrative of grossly politicizing aesthetics

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>>73107671
>there's even far-right power electronics artists
>theres nothing inherently political about noise
Not unless you shoehorn it that way

>>73107685
Love you

>>73107339
No, they probably would.

Noise music is great if you're a gear nerd. I never really appreciated it until I started making it myself. It is pretentious as fuck though, and a majority of it is garbage.

>>73107832
No, they really wouldn't.

>>73108018
Proof?

>>73108053
Going to live performances of nobodys doing the same exact thing

>>73107983
This is pretty much how I feel about it, I listen to it quite a bit as well as make some of my own but there are sure as fuck a bunch of bored kids who make it with no effort whatsoever and make it nearly impossible to find good stuff or to take the genre seriously. Also, the genre itself isn't necessarily pretentious, but people who try to analyze it and act like it's all deep and shit most definitely are pretentious as fuck

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The last song on pic related is 30 minutes of loud, heavy noise and I like the way it makes me feel. "Regular" bands have yet to make me feel the same way.

>>73107419
It's just cool sounding stuff. Don't make the mistake of thinking it's pretentious. I made the same mistake with Animal Collective - they're just a bunch of dudes making cool music, it's not meant to be pretentious or overly serious.

>>73107419
Nobody has to care about the goals of classical music or like classical.
In fact, people who like classical music probably only like it because they are hyperconformists who get all of their self-esteem from believing what "experts" believe about things within any given field, and since "experts" proclaim that Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven are excellent, they rationalize that viewpoint.

>>73108447
the irony is that you're way more pretentious than the imaginary people youre criticizing

>>73108570
I'm criticizing conformity and consensus seeking, not pretentiousness. Of course it's lost on you because you're kind of dumb.

>>73108582
>In fact, people who like classical music probably only like it because they are hyperconformists who get all of their self-esteem from believing what "experts" believe about things within any given field, and since "experts" proclaim that Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven are excellent, they rationalize that viewpoint.
This implies that theyre pretentious because they are parroting experts taste while having no taste themselves
You are pretentious because you view yourself as above a stereotype youre imagining

>>73107316
https://youtu.be/vwdkW7AjZGI

>>73108627
Ambient =/= noise

>>73107316
This actually a 100% accurate post, but the image you posted with it really degrades it. Noise at one point was new and interesting, but now it's boring and commonplace. It's like a party trick that's fun once in a while.

>>73108686
>Noise at one point was new and interesting
yes. I just use it as a mental reset, so to speak.

>>73107476
this