Would /mu/ agree these are the artistic highpoints of their mediums?

>>73060581

dont really read that many novels
Black Saint And The Sinner Lady
Eraserhead
Shadow Of The Colossus or Bioshock

>>73060581
The only thing I agree on is SoC. But I don't play much vidya. Also the OK Computer and Infinite Jest comparison are spot on

>>73060581
For an edgy sixteen-year old who just discovered 4chan, yes

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>>73060581
lol
how long have you been on fourchandotorg

why would infinite jest be

>>73060581
More like artistic memepoints

>vidya
>art

>>73060581
nope, let me contribute to a better list.

Book: 2666
Album: Scott Walker's Tilt
Movie: David Lynch's Blue Velvet
Game: Planescape Torment

>>73060699
wew lad
we got ourselves an individual over here, with real opinions
get lost, we don't take kindly to people with "taste"

>>73060669
>memes

>>73060581
>music
if it's just modern music, then probably Pet Sounds
>film
2001: A Space Odyssey
don't really read or play video games very often

>>73060581
No. Not one of those things is good.

is Infinite Justice really good? Did anyone on /mu/ read it?

>>73060581
That's not Kid A.

>>73060581
Why the fuck is literature not Ulysses
fuck out of here with these shite reddit approved opinions

>>73060608
>Eraserhead
>Bioshock
This dude gets it

>>73060581
The only thing on there that's somewhat justified is Shadow of the Colossus. Calling Holy Mountain a highpoint of cinema is downright insulting.

>>73060581
You're so on your early 20s it hurts

>>73060581
Those have to be the most generic choices imaginable, good job

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>he hasn't read We

>>73061844
>look at me, I've read discount 1984
I know he influenced Orwell but c'mon son

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>>73060581
Maybe MAYBE you could argue that Alright Calculator is the "artistic highpoint" of Pop/Rock Music, even then, it's an uphill argument, but music as a whole? Fuck outta here.

Nobody really thinks that IJ is the artistic highpoint of novels do they?

>>73061873
>Discount 1984
Orwell ain't got shit on Zamyatin

>>73062156
Have you read 1984
like I know it's overrated but actually read it, it's boderline postmodern We is the inferior product, no dispute

>>73060699
Memes aside, I would recommend Scott Walker's The Drift, if you haven't listened to it.

The Satanic Verses
Another Green World
Mulholland Drive
Portal 2

The Brothers Karamazov
Orchestre des concerts Lamoureux / Igor Markevitch - Symphonie Fantastique (Berlioz)
Platform (Zhangke, 2000)
Bioshock

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>>73060581
um, no.

Moby-Dick
Tago Mago
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Super Smash Bros: Melee

But these are just personal favourites, I've no idea how you would attempt to determine the "artistic highpoint" of a particular art form

•Portrait of the Artist
•Pink Moon
•Marketa Lazarova
•Halo: CE

>>73060581
>>73060608
>>73060699
>>73060749
>>73062429
>>73062530
>>73062597
>popular music
>highpoint of music
back to /b/

>>73062658

explain how popular and highpoint are mutually exclusive anytime

>>73062658
Sorry, I should've been a poser and listed Beethoven Symphony 9 right?

>>73062786
art music is objectively better
>>73062813
>everyone with better taste than me is a poser
back to /b/

>>73062837
how do you reason that?
if it's objective you can argue it easily

>>73062837
All forms of classical prior to 1860s are absolute trash, dude. Have fun with your pretty noises, though.

Holy mountain is correct but ok computer makes it seem like bait, same goes for infinite jest, except this is a music board so you would expect better.

>>73062837
Every time you listen to classical, I want you to remember that it was made for the tasteless nobility to posture. Centuries later and you still are posturing. Good girl! :)

>>73062916
>Holy mountain is correct
there's a world of cinema outside the criterion canon hombre

>>73062837
Name your favorite symphony

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>>73060638
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

>>73061960
what is it then my dude?

>>73063149
Music is not an art form that can have an "artistic height"
Same thing for fine arts

>>73060581
Infinite Jest is the worst pick here. It's a good book, but I can't even see the argument for it being the artistic highpoint of literature. Highpoint of literature for that decade, maybe, but c'mon. There's no way for this to not sound condescending, but have you read much classic literature?

I mean if it's your FAVORITE book that's a separate discussion and seems perfectly reasonable to me, but if you really think that's the artistic high point of the entire medium I don't really know what to say.

My Immortal
Angelic 2 the Core
Plan 9 from Outer Space
Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing

>>73063180
whats your favorite album my nig nog gollywog?

>>73060581
>Eraserhead
>Good
I thought the same thing when I was 13 bro

>>73060581
I know this is a debate for /vr/ but Ico was much better than Shadow of the Colossus

>>73060699
Blue velvet, my man

>>73063295
What is it that don't you enjoy about Eraserhead now that you're 14?

>>73060581
don't know what bottom right is, but ok computer is out of place next to infinite jest and the holy mountain, and the whole thing reeks of bait or a particularly lazy/generic avant-teen

>>73063742
It's edgy bullshit and used as a fashion accessory

25 btw

>>73063792
your life choices really didn't pan out well if you're still on 4chan at 25

>>73062940
i dont think holy mountain is even criterion and honestly almost none of the criterion shit ive seen really resonated with me, especially not like the holy mountain and el topo. Great music too

>all the Lynch being listed ITT
I wouldn't have batted an eye if it was just once or even twice but it's getting pathetic at this point. We get it, you want to appear cultured. You're not though. Watch more film.

>>73063821
the people that want to appear cultured are reaching a little deeper than lynch

>>73063814
Actually things are going pretty well
You think you're just gonna leave 4chan at a certain age or something?
Kek
>I did too

>>73063845
Jodorowsky and Kaufman are not deeper than Lynch

>>73063821
>you stop enjoying and respecting things once you also enjoy and respect other things

>>73063881
jodorowsky has as much cultural capital though which is what matters

>>73062928
advanced b8

>>73063980
literally not bait

>>73063893
Lynch is actually a top 5 filmmaker of mine. It's absolutely ridiculous though that of the like 8 people who've listed their highpoints he's there three times. It's clear what's to be assumed from this.

>>73060581
>all of them are American art
fuck you

>>73060608
but bioshock was terrible
>>73060623
gotta say yeah
>>73060699
planescape torment's gameplay is fucking worthless

honestly why does everyone still dickride SotC? that game is pretty good but given that it's just 16 bosses, half of them are not well designed

Holy fucking shit!

You are trolling, right!?

Are you 15, or something!?

How the fuck can somebody even think this!?

You are such a cliche you have become Reddit, despite trying hard not to be Reddit

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>>73064027
>Radiohead
>American
baka senpai

>>73064027
Don't be jealous friend

>>73064027
only foster wallace is american

>>73064018
That he's well liked among 4chan posters?
There would be incentive to pretend to be cultured in this thread if everyone wasn't anonymous

>>73063881
or maybe its not a contest of who can be deeper than another rather than just convey ideas and moods through images and sound. I love jodo but im not gonna diss lynch, his movies are fun in a quentin tarantino kinda way. They might be to focused around characters and dialogue for my taste and overuse some kinds of shots but they throw in oddball humor and mindfuckery/twists enough to make it a fun movie at least for the first time you watch it. i mean just try watching something or listening without letting pretense ruin any chance of enjoyment, take it in and appreciate it for what it is.

>>73064027
Why are Europeans so fucking stupid?

>>73060581
No, The Holy Mountain was a drug-fueled hackfest, yet it still had a soundtrack better than OK Computer. Shadow of the Colossus is probably the only good choice, but video games aren't art.

>>73060807
>Infinite Justice

>>73064099
Maybe because they do it in real-life as well

>>73060581
>OK Computer
LOL

Dark souls did the SoC thing better if we're being honest here.

>>73064027
good bait desu

The Trial

Rock Bottom

Fanny och Alexander

Clash of Clans

>>73064018
I don't think it's that fair to assume any nefarious intent or inauthenticity in people's choice of Lynch. There's high chance he's just the extent to which many people have explored film, rather than it being a boast about how cultured they are -- maybe it literally IS just how cultured they are.

I also think it's possible to genuinely hold him to great heights despite deeper interest in film anyway. Also remember Twin Peaks has recently restarted, so he might be fresh in the minds of people thinking about directors and responding to the choice of great cinema

>>73060581
its actually moby dick, beethoven's 9th, seven samurai, and dark souls

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>>73060581
ffy

there isnt such a thing as a best record ever or a best movie ever
fuck off please stop this shit

>>73063821
>cultured
more like "dark" and """complex"""

>>73060581
Looking for Alaska, Eminem- Recovery, Captain America: Civil War, and Rayman's Raving Rabbits 2

>>73060807
It's really good. People get contrarian about it because some people go too far with the praise. But it's a good book with interesting plot development and world building, interesting themes and a very consistent ending.
I finished it just a few days ago and enjoyed the whole ride.

Blood Meridian
Tim Buckley - Starsailor
The Shining
video games are not art, but if I have to pick its Bioshock

>>73064655
you have to be baiting to pick blood meridian as your book and then claim that video games arent art

>>73063820
>Non of the criterion stuff has resonated
Check out their collected Stan Brakhage works

>>73062658
Tago Mago is art music though :^)

ulysses
beethoven's sting quartet no. 14 in c# minor
a clockwork orange
>video games

>>73064995
>a clockwork orange

>>73063821
It's too bad threads like this are just an excuse for shitposting. A shame really, given the topics that could be discussed.

>>73065023
vertigo or apocalypse now are my other favorites

>>73064705
thanks, watching murder psalm now

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>>73062928
>This is what /mu/ thinks of classical
embarrassing

>>73064409
I know you're shitposting, but not complex? Really? What about Last year at Marienbad? It's the movie equivalent of free jazz in a way. The movie was too vague to mean anything specifically, but the cinematography and the lengths Resnais went to is something to be appreciated.

>>73060807
Currently reading it, very enjoyable so far and I hardly ever read. It's the equivalent of Grimes on /lit/ tho.

>>73063847
>Kek

Bioshock is the video game equivalent of Dream Theater

The artstyle is literally the only thing it has going for it. From an actual gameplay perspective it's an unbalanced clusterfuck with subpar level design, half the plot is ripped wholesale from System Shock and the other half is a nonsensical mess.

Everyone sucks its dick because of its """thought-provoking morality""" or whatever but the whole message behind Rapture is just "ayn rand is bad" and it's about as subtle as a brick to the head. And the moral choices that everyone loves are literally whether you want to murder a little girl with your bare hands or not. There's not even any benefit to doing it, you can save all of them and have more than enough to buy the superpowers

Fuck I hate Bioshock. It would have been okay on its own but ever since that game came out it's like everybody is suddenly convinced that the same mass-market triple-A schlock like this or Mass Effect or Elder Scrolls are suddenly Serious Thought Provoking Works Of Art because they have all the moral ambiguity and subtext of a middle schooler's deviantart fanfic. What nonsense

>>73065405
read the post I quoted, tardo

>>73060807
Yeah Infinite Justice is my favorite Steven Segal movie. Infinite Jest is also pretty good, if not somewhat frustratingly obtuse.

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>>73065857
good post

>>73065857
>being this cynical
wew lad

It's a good game and the concept is interesting that's it

>>73065857
The artstyle is great and shooting bees at people is fun

As far as 00s le serious artistic memevidya goes I much prefer Half-Life and Portal though

>>73065857
OP should have chosen Pathologic, the real deal of artistry in video games.

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>>73060699
>2666
>Blue Velvet

my MAN!

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These are the artistic highpoints in my opinion.

>>73066320
Holy shit bait

>>73066320
Hope you're not saying any of these are bad

>>73061844
That book is just 1984 for people who think they're too good for it 1984. Like Parajanov fans who think they're no longer entry level.

Patrician here

Don Quixote
Toccata and Fugue in D minor
8 1/2
Video games are not art.

>>73060581
>reddiohead
holy shit

>>73065183
>Apocalypse Now
Chill

>>73066061
>complaining about people being cynical
where the fuck do you think we are

>>73066066
Yeah I will readily admit that the art-deco stuff is gorgeous and it has its fun moments, even though I think they should have made the actual combat a lot faster-paced with all the fun powers you have
Maybe Nevermind is a better comparison. It's got some merit on its own but everyone sucked its dick and made it out to be some giant artistic high point that it definitely wasn't and it turned the whole industry into boring bullshit for years after.

>videogames are not art
this might be the easiest way to spot a fedora. You may not like gaming and personally i dont do it unless im with a friend but you have to at least admit the fucking effort and thought put into producing a game can be considered an artform.

In Search of Lost Time
BWV 1080
The Color of Pomegranates
no games are worthy of being called high art, but Riven is pretty good.

>Murica version

Moby Dick
Eagle's Greatest Hits
Apocalypse Now! (maybe, not very versed in american film)
Half Life

>>73067449
It's not impossible but it hasn't happened yet.

Name literally one game that could be considered a serious work of art that isn't Shadow of the Colossus

>>73067513
>It's not impossible but it hasn't happened yet.
it will never happen. film had established itself as a serious artform by 1916 with Griffith's Intolerance. gaming has yet to produce a serious work of art in the 4 decades of its existence. "art game" usually designates something with heavyhanded 'artsy' symbolism and metaphors in the form of filmic tropes

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>>73066320
eh, not a big fan of yeezus, 808s is better personally
>>73064285
a little too pretentious but good
>>73060581
nah

>>73067605
My god how ignorant

>>73067625
nice argument

Infinite Jest
Trout Mask Replica
Eraserhead
Super Smash Bros. Melee for the Nintendo Gamecube

>>73067605
MoMA has a collection of video games, and if an art institution as influential as they recognize videogames as an artform, I hate to break it to you, it is.

HA

>>73067807
they do? that's rad

slaughterhouse five
Lift yr skinny fists
Shawshank redemption or the dark knight
video games aren't art but dark souls is probably the best game ever made

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This is now a rate thread?
>>73067620
Replace fnaf with undertale
>>73066320
trying a bit hard
>>73064285
wouldn't say it's THAT pretentious

>>73067807
Yeah I know it does you smarmy dipshit, I've seen it a few times. Have you? Because I think it's ridiculous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_in_the_Museum_of_Modern_Art

There are twenty-three games there right now and maybe four actually make sense.
>Another World
>Dwarf Fortress
>Portal
>EVE
Of those four only Portal and Another World had any notable cultural impact or influence. For the rest it's like they just took games that were popular enough that video game nerds would be impressed but would be obscure and interesting to everyone else.
Not to mention MoMA's exhibit does little to actually examine and make a case for why each one is actually included and what it did to advance the medium as an art form. It proves nothing.

>>73067807
that exhibit is a populist novelty aimed solely at bringing in a large crowd of people uninterested in serious art

>>73067964
hi leddit

>>73060836
>people who put OK Computer and The Holy Mountain as the GOAT reading Ulyssses

>>73068005
>>73068051
sry not sry traditionalist backwards scum

>>73060581
Brave New World
Velvet Underground & Nico
2001: ASO
Grand Theft Auto

>>73068078
>leddit

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Literally all of you are /b/tards. Fuck off

>>73068652
You should fuck off, CLT-lite

>>73068652
Boring

Shit game pick btw

>>73068789
MGS2 is one of the only picks in this thread that is actually good
Get taste

>>73068652
You are a 40 year old Asian mother?

>>73068652
You've said before you think film is shit, but why?

>>73068876
I'd shit on you but considering the game picks most people are doing you're right.

>>73068979
Every board has garbage taste in everything besides the subject it's meant to be discussing

I still think MGS2 catches way more shit than it deserves though. It has its silly/pretentious moments but I really liked Big Shell as a setting and I loved how surreal everything gets towards the end. And the stuff about information control was ahead of its time

>>73068789
>>73068979
Video games are a weird medium and I think MGS2 is a uniquely considered and artistic game in the medium.
Plus it actually plays well unlike MGS3.

>>73060581
ico was better

>>73069195
>Plus it actually plays well unlike MGS3
MGS3 is literally the best game in the franchise from an actual gameplay perspective except maybe Phantom Pain. That's the only thing it does better than MGS2

>>73069236
MGS3's gameplay is more based around choice than MGS2, but it's also fraught with more difficulty. The menu meme is an old one, but the bigger difficulty is the inconsistent sight of the guards in these open landscapes compared to MGS2's better designed, focused layouts in the Big Shell.

I also think MGS3 has a lot of bad bosses compared to MGS2 which is consistent boss/gameplay-wise.

And of course, conceptually speaking, MGS3 is for toddlers.

Gravity's Rainbow
Bitches Brew
Synecdoche, New York
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty

>>73069301
first post ITT that I can dig

>>73065926
>tardo
As I've said, shitposting general.