>sexual imagery on the cover art DUDE SEX LMAO

i'm sorry you've never had fun once in your life anon.

>>73019646
I'm sorry you never grew out of your "take THAT mom!!1" phase.

>>73019624
I wish more artists had album covers that kept the normies out

OP is annoyed that it reminds him he's a virgin

>>73019624
DUDE
DUDE LMAO
LMAO

>>73019624
t. virgin

>>73019683
you act as if having or enjoying sex is a mark of immaturity.
lmao, fucking virgin.

>>73019683
This is literally how a virgin views sex.

>>73019683
If you see sex as this, then you dont see sex as a part of a normal life.

Neet.

>>73019736
As a virgin who's also not OP, wtf are you talking about?

>>73019713
>>73019736
>>73019752
What in the ever loving fuck is reading comprehension?

>>73019752
hedonistic degenerate

>>73019624

Sauce for that crop.

>>73019772
if every single person that replied to your post got the same thing from it, the problem is with you.

if an album needs to have a gratuitous cover to draw people in, well, let's just say it makes me suspicious of the quality of it's contents

>>73019624
Hahaha you're just a VIRGIN LOSER haha, that's almost as serious a burn as calling someone a cuck, you're on suicide watch now kid

>>73019826
No it just keeps virgins like you away.

>>73019797
how the fuck do you figure that?
I'm not him, but I understand that some people who aren't just bitter virgins don't place much value in sex
they might be rare, especially among younger people, but they exist

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Sex sells. I don't understand why people need to defend perverted ads. This is someone who has had 40+ sexual partners at the age of 21.

It's sad to think that popular music can't dream of anything bigger than fucking, intoxication, and whatever other pleasure seeking thing they want to sell you.

>>73019624
>posts anime
Well I can see the problem here.

>>73019844
quite the opposite
it's virgin bait

>>73019870
>literal slut thinks her opinion matters

>>73019865
yr on 4chan.
he's a virgin.

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>>73019844
stop fishing for replies this hard

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>>73019870
>This is someone who has had 40+ sexual partners at the age of 21.
haha nice :^)

>>73019773
This desu. If the fuckers could shoot heroin all day without repercussions they would. Virgins miss out on the same good on sex as hedonists tbqhwu

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>>73019887
I'm a dude, muh dude

>>73019870
this
so much this
I want art, not ads
I want exploration, not exploitation

>>73019826
>gratuitous
you people act like you've never seen tits before.
>let's just say it makes me suspicious of the quality of it's contents
well, you're a prudish retard then.

>>73019888
then so is everyone else in this thread

>>73019932
maybe
op is certainly a virgin, i can tell you that for damn sure.

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>>73019912
>I think people that use these tatics are bad
>WELL I THINK YOU'RE DUMB STUPID RETARD, DUDE YOU EVER SEEN BOOBS LMAO?

Not that guy, but okay.

hurr durr sex can't be defined in art
sex isnt a natural part of human existence
mommy take it away, sex makes me feel uncomfortable ;_;

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>>73019870
>DUDE MUSIC IS ALL ABOUT SEX AND DRUGS, IT'S SO MAINSTREAM AND CONFORMIST AND SIMPLE

This thread literally wouldn't exist if OP had sex.

>>73019912
I'm not saying sex is bad. Learn to read, bro. I'm saying that it's bad if it seems they're just exploiting sexual imagery for half-assed marketing purposes.

>>73019944
you do know that sex/nudity can be used in artwork without being a marketing ploy, right?

you are aware that the female form has been a staple in art for literally millenniums

>>73019981
Sure plenty of failed artists have done this same tatic before, but it doesn't make it any less cheap.

>>73019981
I'm pretty sure the anons arguing this in the thread aren't talking about every instance of sex/nudity ever, but specifically the shitty ones that are obviously used as a marketing ploy. Also going the "LOL BUTTHURT VIRGINS" route as a response is really immature

>>73020014
fucking hedonists, get off my board! Reeee

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we post sexual covers now to trigger OP

>>73019958
If the album isn't literally about sex putting sex on the cover art is exploitation.

Virgins were a mistake.

>>73019967
>I'm not saying sex is bad.
sure, you're just saying that using sexual imagery to sell an album is "gratuitous" and "exploitative." like it's a fucking snuff film or something.
>I'm saying that it's bad if it seems they're just exploiting sexual imagery for half-assed marketing purposes.
why is that bad. why is it worse to exploit sex for half-assed marketing purposes than any other random thing?

>>73019981
I'm the guy he was defending
I'm well aware of art history and yes of course nudity can be tastefully used in art
all I was trying to say was that I see it used in ways that just seem cheap and exploitative rather than thought-out and artistic, and such things hurt my faith in the quality of the product

>>73020015
yeah man only failed artists have ever used sex or nudity. manet, rubens, rembrandt, the list goes on...

>>73020028
it sure seems like it to me.

ill agree that stuff like pulp or rob zombie is just pornographic, i actually dont give a fuck desu

>>73020036
this is just stupid. there are plenty of albums that have artwork that doesn't literally depict the content of the album. if sex/nudity is used tastefully, who gives a fuck?

>>73020070
This. Fuck morals n shit.

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>>73020034

this one is a back cover not the front but it's lewd anyway

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>it's a some faggot on 4chan is literally under the age of 25 and an obnoxious self-righteous prude episode

highlight of the season

>>73020070
you are literally asking me why I prefer things to be thoughtfully crafted and done for artistic reasons rather than just doing it lazily for a quick buck

>>73020134
Baited for this exact response t b h f a m .

>>73020082
I could get on board if people were just arguing that sexy pornstars on covers (i.e. most hip hop) is crass and tacky. I would agree that it's usually sexist.

What I'm not on board with is the people who are arguing about how sex and drugs are some sort of terrible moral or intellectual exercise. It makes them sound like edgy 14 year old """philosophers""" or complete prudes.

>>73019898
still a slut

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>>73020149

>>73020139
it's album art. what is the difference between using tits to sell the album, or using a fucking picasso painting or some faggoty bullshit.

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>>73020150
>Arguing that abusing sex and drugs is immature and prudish

>>73020150
I'm the anon making many of these posts and I intend to be arguing the former
but yeah, the other guy in here looks suspiciously like the latter

but, of, course many people seem to be misunderstanding me, so maybe I'm misunderstanding him

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music = sex

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>album art is a landscape through an instagram filter

>>73020173
I want something interesting, not just some porn star's tits

>>73020179
fair enough, m8

>>73020175
who said anything about abuse?

>>73020173
A literal dudebro.

some people here would be heartbroken to learn how much sex and drugs their favourite artist engages in

>>73020203
way i see it, one album cover's as good as another.
>>73020213
you got me. i play ultimate frisbee with the boys every friday.

>>73020208
Just because you don't say the word abuse doesn't mean you aren't talking about it

how is it immature to want something beyond simple desires? I could write a book about how little art there exists today because of consumerism and how it has led to higher depression. I realize this is 4chan and people don't want to really elaborate or argue thoroughly about their own position.

So fuck your meaningless lives

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>>73020180
I'm pretty sure listening to music is not the same as having intercourse.

Sorry to disappoint the virgins here.

>>73019624
If this counts then it proves it can be done tastefully

>>73020239
This tee bee aych.
Music is inherently hedonistic. Which is why there is no good alt-righ music.

>>73020255
I see. Just because I'm not talking about something doesn't mean you can't pretend I am

>>73020267
even rightie musicians like zappa had a shit load of sex

he didn't drink or do drugs tho

>>73020265
>I could write a book about how little art there exists today because of consumerism and how it has led to higher depression.
Anyone can write a book about anything, but your book would suck because it would be based on Marxist pseudo-science. Correlation =/= causation.

Taking an American Civ class and a Multicultural Studies credit in college doesn't make you an authority on anything.

>>73020251
are you actually saying a shitty photo of tits is the artistic equal of a picasso

>>73020317
on an album cover, yes.

>>73020294
>if it's anti-consumerist, it must be Marxist garbage

>>73020267
The alt-right is motivated by failed hedonism. They don't make music because they lack ability. Fascism on the other hand is a different story.
>>73020275
>wah I don't like the idea the fact that I can communicate ideas without being aware of it
kys
An alcoholic could make people aware of his addiction entirely by accident by example. You're probably the only virgin itt since you don't understand how communication works on the most basic level.

>>73020329
how does being on an album cover change the artistic merit of the piece

>>73020339
>>73020175
he literally never even implied abuse nor did anyone else bring it up in the conversation, so what the fuck are you talking about?
>>73020337
Yeah pretty much.

>>73020294
No argument so you attack my character

Also I'm not a commie or left leaning at all.

People would be happier if they were given a purpose to pursue their own inner needs, such as family, religion, and their own personal emotional desires.

Why do you think people in 1st world countires are so unhappy and seek hedonist practices? It is because so many of them are not able to find purpose in a world that doesnt have any need for them.

>>73020294
You can insult him for (apparently) taking a social science course but some college education may have prevented you from vomiting that retarded word salad of a post you just made.

>>73020356
I hate consumerism and I think Marxism is pseudo-scientific trash

>>73019624

what's /mu/'s essential cockcore?
https://www.discogs.com/lists/XXX-Dicks-Dicks--Dicks-/296681

>>73020339
People can drink or have sex without being addicts. Addiction is just a way to describe a behaviour that has become detrimental to someone's health or well being, like for instance when it interferes with their work or social life.

I never mentioned alcohol abuse. I really don't care if you think I've had sex before or not.

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best thread on /mu/

>>73020399
What does pseudo-scientific even mean in this context? Do you know what Marxism is?

Marxism isn't meant to be a "hard" science, it's a political/economic theory.

>>73020366
>>73020366
No, there was an argument in there, namely that your connection of depression and consumerism isn't supported by anything.

The rest of your comment wasn't an argument, just a nihilistic fuck you, so I did my own fuck you back.

>People would be happier if they were given a purpose to pursue their own inner needs, such as family, religion, and their own personal emotional desires.
Who says they don't have that purpose already? Who says consumerism doesn't help fulfill that purpose?

>Why do you think people in 1st world countires are so unhappy and seek hedonist practices?
People in 1st world countries (or historical equivalent of wealthy society) are happier than they ever have been in history, and people consume more than they ever have. I know that's also just correlation, but if anything it implies the opposite effect of what you're describing.

>It is because so many of them are not able to find purpose in a world that doesnt have any need for them.
You imply that people who follow hedonistic practices (what I assume includes sex, drugs, and other sensual pleasures like food and thrill seeking) don't enjoy meaningful lives. How many people do you know that enjoy what they do for a living, or enjoy something they do for society, that also enjoy having sex? Or enjoy drinking alcohol? These liberties have nothing to do with making life meaningless- rather, they add color to life, despite some of the risks associated with them. Those risks are taken upon the consumer and are their responsibilities alone, but being pursuant of those pleasures despite the risks does not imply that those people believe their lives are meaningless.

What you're describing is the phenomena of addiction. A consumerist society allows addiction to happen, but consumerism isn't the problem. It's stupid to think that the solution to the extreme is to end the normal.

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>>73020458
he probably means it's a garbage economic theory.

>>73019683
>>73019624
>>73019773
>>73019752
>>73019713
>>73019736
>>73020439

Not OP, but I'm a Catholic that is waiting until I get married to have sex but I still know it's both fun and mature

still, having tits/sex/dicks on your album cover may have been edgy in the 80s, but now it's just dude sex lmao

>>73020492
I doubt he knows what Marxism is, to be honest.

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>sexual imagery on the cover art
>then you end up getting drawn in emotional
i know that feel bud
still my favorite album of all time

>>73020458
>>73020492
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics
>Economics is "a social science concerned chiefly with description and analysis of the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services".

>The discipline was renamed in the late 19th century primarily due to Alfred Marshall from "political economy" to "economics" as a shorter term for "economic science". At that time, it became more open to rigorous thinking and made increased use of mathematics, which helped support efforts to have it accepted as a science and as a separate discipline outside of political science and other social sciences.

>>73020500
Why did you quote my post m8?
Not every instance of nudity is to be edgy though. Nudity/sex is an essential part of the human experience. Deflecting absolutely any nudity as "dude sex lmao" just screams insecurity to me.

>>73020458
>>73020492
>>73020514
>>73020544
I just mean it's shitty economic/political science

>>73020544
I'm sorry what point are you trying to make here?

Economics is still not a "hard" science and Marx is not dense in mathematics.

How about you just define the core principles of Marxism and how it's "pseudo-scientific" and save us all the time.

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>>73020034
I got you.

>>73020597
and that in my personal experience in dealing with its advocates, it's more of a cult than anything else
I've met many self-identifying Marxists who were mostly close-minded pricks who were totally unwilling to consider things from anything other than a Marxist perspective
you know, how actual thinkers and such are supposed to actually think about opposing ideas rather than being rabid dogmatists

not saying all of them are like this, but they definitely have a public image problem because of this shit

>>73020552
when I say 'edgy' I mean it gets your attention from shock value; sex is a universal 'lmao', so using it to get people's attention is pretty low effort, this is why I dismiss tits on the cover as 'dude sex lmao'

why would I be insecure?

>>73020748
>sex is a universal 'lmao'
>why would I be insecure?
i dunno man

>album cover has a single rose on it
DUDE VAGINA SYMBOLISM LMAO
I READ THE SUMMARY FOR SULA ON WIKIPEDIA

>>73020766
t. slut

>>73020617
>insisting that it needs to be a hard science in order to be criticized as a pseudo science

You're basically implying that economics, psychology, anthropology and history are not scientific because they allow for larger methodological error (sciences are ranked base don how much error they allow for in testing). Any science based on human interaction and behavior has to allow for more error because human beings are more random than chemical reactions or the laws of physics- proving the existence of the Higgs boson required a very stringent margin of error in testing, for example.

All of these fields still rely on mathematics in statistical testing, and the slightly harder ones like psychology and economics still use observational statistics and experimental design. All of them use the scientific method.

To imply that dubious Marxist research can't be labelled pseudo science because it's a study of an economic theory is to say that all soft sciences might as well be random facts people came up with and started passing off as truth.

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>>73020826
>You're basically implying that economics, psychology, anthropology and history are not scientific
Oh

>sciences are ranked base don how much error they allow for in testing
Oh?

>To imply that dubious Marxist research can't be labelled pseudo science because it's a study of an economic theory is to say that all soft sciences might as well be random facts people came up with and started passing off as truth.
Psuedo-science tends to refer to science that has been disproved/lacks any evidence.

I would really love to hear how Marxism is a pseudo-science. I already asked you that and you evaded it once already. Let's try again.

>>73020662
Do you by chance watch PJW?

>>73020914
Never said Marxism itself was pseudo-science, just that there exists Marxist based research that is pseudo-scientific.

This is based on the fact that anyone trying to publish a scientific paper under a Marx based perspective has to either justify or ignore the proven disastrous result of Marxism in practice.

Not necessarily all of such research is, but there are people who try to argue against a consumerist system using bad logic and science, and a lot of that tends to be from a Marxist (as there's been a popular resurgence of Marxism in recent years within college circles- one of my first professors was a proud Marxist) or at least socialist perspective, like for example the original post I replied to. The burden of proof was on him, and he gave absolutely dick.

>>73021037
>This is based on the fact that anyone trying to publish a scientific paper under a Marx based perspective has to either justify or ignore the proven disastrous result of Marxism in practice.
Such as...?

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>>73020034
virgin here but it's funny seeing people's mind crash and burn just for some titties and wank

>>73021058
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War
>inb4 that wasn't real Marxism in practice
Try to put Marxism in practice, whether or not it's the pure ideal, and this is the result.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQeKcpANBLU

>>73021098
>inb4 that wasn't real Marxism in practice
Well, communism by definition can't be statist, so uhh, yeah. You could've at least mentioned the Spanish workers revolution, but I suppose that's a failure too because it was crushed by fascists, right?

Also, did you seriously just post fucking Jordan Peterson? The guy who believes in the "Cultural Marxist" conspiracy?

Perfect, I can ignore everything you have to say now.

>>73020931
what's that
I assume you don't mean Pennsylvania junior wrestling

>>73021187
Nah, I'm talking about PrisonPlanet senpai,
But J. Peterson is just as bad. Was expecting as much.

>>73019773
>>73020748
>shock value
Nudity and sexuality can be explored and celebrated through art and embracing those themes doesn't automatically meant the artist is going for "shock value". If the culture that art is created in finds that imagery shocking, it's not the artist that needs to change. Traditionalism is the dumbest spook you could possibly subscribe to.

>>73019624
You sound like a nerd faggot, OP.

>>73021098
The Soviet Union was pretty successful all things considered.

>>73019826
You assume that featuring sexual imagery on the cover is inherently gratuitous or for marketing purposes. Are you an American, by chance?

>>73020265
*tips*

Sex and nudity is natural, you dumbfuck Americans. Sorry you live in a country where you can show all the gore you want but the country goes into lockdown as soon as someone shows a nipple

>>73020432
https://youtu.be/sRgDUalRF7c

>>73021199
I'm the other anon, senpai

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>>73021281
/thread

>>73021561
My bad, friend.

>>73021257
nice straw man, buddy
I'm saying it's bad when it's just done for a cheap/shallow/hedonistic marketing ploy

I mean, there are bands who've admitted to doing it just as a gimmick

>>73021337
I do not assume that at all.
Sometimes it's tastelessly done, and sometimes it's done well
I don't like when it's tasteless, but when it's done well I have no problem with it

Why are there tradcaths on 4chan? I get the whole "not every board is /b/ xD" argument but seriously where are these guys coming from and why would they settle here of all places?

Allow me to clear this whole thing up by saying that my issue isn't with sexual content, but with when album art is used as a cheap marketing gimmick rather than a meaningful contribution to the album

these things just happen to overlap often

>>73021257
>spooks
Go back to /leftypol/. Stirner is a moron whose thought has no redeeming qualities other than its meme potential.

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>>73021854
What's wrong pal? You're upset that everything you hold dear is retarded?

>>73021854
hey, that's insensitive, anon
I'll have you know that I myself am a moron whose thought has no redeeming qualities other than its meme potential

>>73021854
I'm sorry to have to burst your Trad bubble but nothing you pride yourself on actually matters, friend.

>>73021754
I think that due to lack of sexual experiences they're intimidated when artists and real people chose to express sexuality in a meaningful way

They're also here for the video games and 2D girls, so they prize innocence above all else (again most likely due to being intimidated by girls with actual experience to a lack of their own)

I'm a virgin but i still feel completely disconnected from the culture of prudence that thrives on 4chan nowdays, might have something to do with being one solely by my own choice though.
Where are all those kind of people coming from and why would they choose this place to express such a outdated way of thinking? It seems counter-productive on their part.

>>73022360
>this way of thinking is newer than the other one, therefor it's better

also, hedonism has been around since literally the dawn of thought
that shit ain't exactly new

>>73022360
because 4chin attracts two type of people:

1. the hopeless virgin who projects all his failures on women and tells himself that women are sluts who will only date "chads" and not nice guys like him

2. the trumptard/conservative who has adopted judeo-christain values enough to hate sex but also love the whole "free speech" thing 4chin has going for it

>>73022451
>abstinence is exclusively a Judeo-Christian value

>>73022501
>things that I said

>>73022501
>reading comprehension that low

>>73022425
>this way of thinking is newer than the other one, therefor it's better
Not really, i described it as outdated because it has proven itself to be a useless relic of the past adopted only by people with problematic approaches to life and delusional nutcases.
A belief can still be as old as time and still being practical in the end of the day but in this case it's simply not, given it borders on insanity or takes the form of religious doctrine.

>>73022451
and

3. The hapless, introverted liberal who isn't quite social enough for facebook but has found 4chan through similar means and has the urge to inflate his ego via coming to insult 4channers by projecting the same qualities he himself has.

>>73022738
I'm not a liberal, not a conservative/trump supporter, clearly not a prude and I'm in a relationship.

So what exactly am I projecting?

>>73022451
>DUDE I UNDERSTAND 4CHAINS AFTER VISITING FOR A MONTH I'M TRENDY AND ANTI-SOCIAL AT THE SAME TIME LMAO

Cringe.

>>73022822
Eh, honestly I've likely been here longer than you. Not that I'm proud of that.

>>73020182
Benji or f#a#infinity?

>>73022912
f#a#oo predates instagram
also im pretty sure that no one from gbye uses social media