/prod/ Music Production General

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>>72996875
https://clyp.it/u1d44mav

Made this beat in 30 minutes.

>>72996875
https://soundcloud.com

>>72997463
shieeet

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Synthwave track

https://clyp.it/xtri4jju

Ambient/Soundtrack track (track)

https://clyp.it/050amtph

Every time I post them the thread dies

Making an electro track https://clyp.it/ggmhfgw4
I wanted to give it a bit of amon tobin vibe but ditched the idea, i kept the first part of the intro because it sounded cool though. Gonna fix the silent part of the drops as well as the kick being basically just the attack.

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feedback on the mastering of this track
https://clyp.it/uxwrwtwn

A couple of concepts im throwing around any opinions are welcome.
https://clyp.it/zeibpnsx
https://clyp.it/gcjqcgra

>>72998932
EQ almost everything to be a lot brighter. Sounds a little washed out. Otherwise good ideas. I'd also speed up the bpm a tiny bit, not but much, but a little bit.

https://clyp.it/nzkszfp0

I got high last night and somehow did this weird Imogen remix that I got to wake up to and wonder what the hell this is.

probably not gonna touch it again, feels disgustingly dramatic?

>>72998932
sounds cool dude

http://www54.zippyshare.com/v/naYMVQN0/file.html

TAL-U-NO-LX and TAL-BassLine-101, Juno and SH-101 emulators with lower CPU hits than Lush-101. Don't need to use the keygens, keys are already in the NFOs in the R2R directory.

>>73000135
thanks, m8!

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>>72999721
>https://clyp.it/nzkszfp0

I dont know the original but it sounds chill.

Any opinions on this?
>DUNE themed psychedelic kind of song
https://clyp.it/zuwezsva?token=82464c30b3eba65083f6eba08fb14107

how come there are so few girls producing music?

>>73001144
I don't know, you'd think there would be lot's, but there isn't many. If they do, it's usually shitty ukulele covers on youtube.

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2017/05/26/roland-intros-spd-one-electronic-drum-pad-line/

check it out guys, roland put their ear to the streets and gave us what we've all been asking for: fucking $400 drum pads that let you play one sound at a time and come with a bunch of hits you probably already have in a sample pack somewhere

>>72996875


F E E D B A C K 4 F E E D B A C K?

https://clyp.it/gwiuec0i

>>73001144
Because most girls are used to having men do the hard work for them

>>73001235
#meninism amirite? XD

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>>73001245

What are you even doing here tumblr?

>>73001272
>g-get out of muh saefspace, this place is only for peepl who agree with me

>>73001296
>ask a stupid question
>respond with a factual answer
>resorts to mocking
>Argue against your point with physical evidence
>resorts to mocking

>>73001314
>/pol/spergs think everything is as formal debate and also that they're wanted anywhere outside of their containment board
>call contextless graph "physical evidence" of whatever point you're trying to prove
we get it, you're 16 and you know about some totally redpilled youtube channels. you're not special or different

>>72996875
Not on /mu/ usually, so sorry if this is not acceptable in this thread, but what are /mu/'s favorite DAWs? Any good FOSS DAWs?

I used LMMS a while ago for a bit, can't say I liked it very much. FL Studio is the only one I used enough to get used to and I do like it, just wanted to see if there's more good options.

>>73001327
>we get it, you're 16 and you know about some totally redpilled youtube channels. you're not special or different

Be mad, and stay mad

>>73001399
>why wont they listen to muh graphs? brainwashed librul faek news tumblr feminists le btfo XDD

>>72996897
this is trash my dude

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>>73001343
posting some classics

>>73001550
*holds up tuning spork*

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>>73001343

>>73001550
That's pretty spot on actually.

>>73001225
Sweet sounds. In a perfect world every hip-hop/trap kick sounds like that.

>>73001550
Andy Morin uses Ableton

>>73001225
Sounds groovy, love those string trills. Are those a VST or just sampled?

Also >>72997572 is me, would appreciate some feedback.

>>73001830
>AVERAGE ableton user
>AVERAGE

not

>EVERY ableton user
>EVERY

>>72996875
gonna go full blown autism here OP, but I would love to hear our guy release something predominantly consisting of a haloween/ghoulish vibe

any /modular/ here

is stereo worth the hassle or rack space? or is it pretty standard to just send the mono signal into some stereo fx.

I want to make an ultra cliché satirical trap album, but the beats I made so far were pretty barebones and empty.
What do the big boys do or what effects do they use to make the beats semi-varied like what you hear on Migos?

>>73001972
>satirical
get out

>>73001972
no effects
just vengeance sample packs

>>73001982
>cliché
>trap
of all these, "satirical" is your biggest problem?

https://clyp.it/iemb3i21

automating delays that have a pitch setting is fuuuuuuuuun

>>73001972
Believe it or not finding good trap samples that doesent sound pre-2010 can be tricky

Which program should I download for producing? I really wanna create a good pop instrumental like
this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhx5kI87I-k

>>73002061
People talk shit about trap music being simplistic whilst making shitty 4/4 house lmao

>>73002061
>>73002084
I'm gonna be tbqh with you, trap is harder to make than regular hiphop

>>73002084
new wave trap is extremely hard to pull off and ive yet to see someone on /mu/ even get close to getting that eestbound or boi1da sound, but then again, its not a very sound design intensive genre other than keeping an eye on your levels. it has more soul in a way that you have to know where to put all the drums and still having that headbob.

Ah fuck it, 4/4 techno is pretty braindead compared to trap and ill prove it to anyone other than people that like analog gear. Really the only reason you are supposed to make dat deep white label techno berghain bla bla bla is if you are into analog knob twiddling.

>>72997572
>Synthwave track
Up the tempo 20 bpm, remove the "guitars"
>Ambient/Soundtrack track
Pretty good when drums kick in but the guitars are too robotic. Reminds me of My Sleeping Karma (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbtaFW6Lh5k)

Here's some of mine
https://clyp.it/xuoizk5w
dumb fast techno
https://clyp.it/fr33mbpw
cloud trap

>>73001847
>Sounds groovy, love those string trills. Are those a VST or just sampled?

Some of them are sampled

>>73001806

Thanks senpai

>>73002183
>https://clyp.it/xuoizk5w
bring that shit down like 6 or 7 semitones and 10 bpm and i might consider playing doom with it playing.

>>73002139
>>73002138
>>73002084
>>73002061
>>73002018
>>73001991
>>73001982
>>73001972
All the bullshit aside, every genre has different levels of "good music", its easy to make a half-assed rendition of almost any genre and tick the boxes. If you really want it to sound good then you need to have a decent set of ears and a good creative drive; and know the genre.

>>73002199

This is really why I don't get genre bashing. It just shows insecurities and if you're actually working in a professional setting you're going to have to deal with all sorts of different people with different tastes.

Take any professional trap producer and they'd probably run circles around any EDM producer itt.

>>73002199
All the bullshit aside. Trap is a very restrictive genre. If you wanna sound good you have to have dem good samples that are approved by the masses and have that xanned and leaned out fire with diamonds in the track. Every small detail can make the whole beat that you thought bumped sound like shit. In trap theres fire and theres straight trash, nothing inbetween, and only a few handful of producers have that mojo. Even beats that sound so simple cant even be fathomed how much removing and putting back drums there was during the process. Maybe i just drank too much coffee again but knowing trap as a genre takes obsessive dedication, because rappers are divas. And if you think this is subjective, think again, or better yet, ask someone that makes trap "How did you make this banger" and the answer is usually "I dont know, it just became like this" which is an oddly experimental (sort to say) answer to the question. Trap is weird and i think everyone should dip their hand into it once.

TL;DR trap is very specific and no one knows why.

>>73002226
Exactly. I wish more people on /mu/ understood that, especially patricians with dubstep and what they call "brostep".

>>73002269
>rappers are divas

This made me chuckle. Those who know, know.

>>73001847

Sounds a tad repetitive and the mix is a little too squashed imo.

https://clyp.it/050amtph

The guitar sounds a little too dry to me. Maybe needs a tiny bit of distortion.

https://clyp.it/jutfykwy
I made a 12 minute abstract hip-hop mix

>>73002199
>knowing the genre.
good point, I need to take this advice
half assing & creative drive has never been my problem but I'm trash at listening to relevant new sounds from others

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mouthbreathers

>>73002561
???

>>73002199
false
good juke doesn't exist

>>73002467

sounds like you made it in 12 mins.

>>73001956
I figure having an output module is is a piss in the ocean if you are spending money on any kind of module setup. You can pick them up for around £100 so it's a no brainier for me. I'm guessing an standard 3u setup will be way over £1000 when full so it's probably worth getting one? You could just run the output of the last device in the chain to your audio interface or like you said send it to a stereo module.
An output module with a headphone jack will be my next purchase for my modular. Also if you are half decent with a soldering iron you can pick up a Befaco output module for £50

>>73002644
yes
but some of the sounds were made by myself, like the guitar at the end or all the noises

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>>73002269
>no one knows why
yeh man what a mystery

>>73002199
Ay! My favorite genre is shitmusic which is literally just recordings of people pushing shit out their rectum. I didn't know you were a fan that's awesome!

sample roulette??

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>>73003001
You mean this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-6yTHRsXOA

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How come some days my projects are really good and other days i can't even make something halfway decent?

Does anyone else get this? its pretty frustrating

>>73003124

ART IS OVER!

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is this cringe fellas?

https://clyp.it/tono1uc3

>>73003562
no, i liked it

feels like the hats loose their rhythm sometime tho

>>72996897
this sounds like a poorly constructed ripoff of an early arca track, right down to the chord progression
work on your fundimentals then work on experimentation imo

fuck malcoml gladwell
fuck ira glass
i want to be making good music tomorrow by the latest
how to start?

>>73001144
Men are hardwired to like technical things, while women are hardwired to like social things.

Obviously it's not a black and white distinction, but more like tendencies, so it's rare to find women naturally interested in technical things, just like it's rare to find men naturally interested in social things.

That's why female musicians are usually singers or instrument players, because they usually have no interest in sitting in front of a computer being autistic about the phase of a kick for two hours and shit like that.

>>73001550
I don't get it.

Is Ableton a hipster DAW?

>>73002139
>that eestbound or boi1da sound
Care to post a few examples?
Really interested.

>>73003023
What is that?

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Does it have to be impossible to find a cheap, no gimmicks, no preamp, regular ass line input to usb adapter that at the same time doesn't ruin the audio quality?

It's as if everything is either scam level terrible, or super fancy and expensive.
Where is my simple, no fuss, no bloat equipment?

>>73004897
>women are hardwired to like social things
but music is communication and then women should be super at it

>>73004515
Find a good unknown producer on Soundcloud and pay him to ghostproduce for you.

If you want the music to be actually yours, rob a bank and use the money to pay for celebrity producers to mentor you.

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>>73001550

>>73003023
you just gonna keep spamming that here and not giving anyone any explanation? Expect that to go over just as well as it did the first two times.

>>73005063
I didn't say women don't like music. Just that they like other non-technical types of it.

See the 1st sentence of the 3rd paragraph.

>>73005119
yeah and not a single man enjoys non-technical musics, right?

men can only relate to idem and insane guitarshred, right?

>>73005158
Did you even read my post?

Are you trying to misunderstand everything on purpose?
Because I specifically said that it's not a black and white thing, and it's more of a tendency thing (meaning that the number of men that like technical things is higher than that of women who like them, not that it's 100%).

Of course there are technically-inclined women, and there are men who aren't technical at all.

>>73004515
>tomorrow by the latest
lol have fun never learning any skill

>>73005062
just buy an interface like a normal person

>>73005227
you dont need to be some obsessive turbosperg to be a producer just dl some vengeance drumkicks and some prebuilt pads by native instruments and you're good to go

>>73005347
We're talking about how things appeal to men and women.
If you're not technically inclined and had to choose between playing guitar while singing, and staying in front of a computer, you're definitely going to like the first the most.

And even if you produce the simplest shit ever, just knowing your way around the DAW is far more technical than being a normal musician.
And non-producers don't really know that. Some think it's super hard and nerdy, and some think it's super-easy because the computer does everything for you, and when they start, they quickly find that it's actually more difficult to make something that sound decent, and if they're technically inclined they start grinding to get better, and if they're not, they give up.

>>73003911
yo thanks i hear that now

>>73005481
girls already behind their computers all day instead of picking up the guitar which is arguably a lot more technical than slapping some tropical loops together and putting it to a stock 808 conga beat.

>>73005254
this

you'll never go deeper than the surface with anything having that mindset

>>73005254
>learning things is required to be difficult
actually, i'm going to have a lot of fun learning a lot of skills :^)

>>73005618
>girls already behind their computers all day
Doing what?
Certainly not technical things usually, unless they're the rare case in which they like it or they do it despite not liking it (for example at work).

>picking up the guitar which is arguably a lot more technical than slapping some tropical loops together and putting it to a stock 808 conga beat
Difficult =/= Technical
Just because something has more complexity it doesn't mean it's more technical.
I remember watching a documentary a few years ago about this (it was just a part of a larger documentary that I haven't watched the rest of).
It's about the nature vs nurture argument of boys and girls being interested in their respective fields, and at one point they went to some researchers who showed that even newborns had a significant difference in which things captured their attention the longest. Girls liked to look more at human faces while boys liked to look more at robots (or something similar, don't remember exactly).
There wera also numerous other arguments that showed that boys were more interested in things with complex inner workings and girls were more interested in things that had to do with communication and interactions between people.

If anyone knows what documentary I'm talking about it would be very helpful.

>>73005926
okay
happy friday
you win

>>73004515
>i want to be making good music tomorrow by the latest

Although setting deadlines is a good thing and it will ultimately be good for you I think you might be overdoing it here a bit.

>because they usually have no interest in sitting in front of a computer being autistic about the phase of a kick for two hours

I kek'd

>>73005062
see >>73005284

>>73005618
>slapping some tropical loops together and putting it to a stock 808 conga beat

The equivalent of this would be playing chopsticks on the piano.

>>73005744
>learning a lot of skills
not if you only put 1 day into each

>>73003473
lack of inspiration bruh. try something new

>>73005953
And to you as well my friend.

>>73005961
so 'tomorrow' was an exaggeration

but still: what's the fastest way to git gud

i want to release sick tunes and i don't have 10000 hours to waste on this shit

>>73005989
youll get good in 5-10 years if you practice every day

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https://clyp.it/1a4i5dgr

Lads i've been trying to autotune her voice but it still sounds a little bit off for me, especially during the buildup. is it because of my chords?

>>73005989
>waste
you probably won't get good if you view putting a lot of time in as a waste. it should be something you enjoy spending lots of time doing.

learn the basics of your daw of choice and maybe grab some plugins beyond the stock ones and learn those too and then basically just do it... a lot

>>73006005
>https://clyp.it/1a4i5dgr
yikes

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>>73006004
>5-10 years
>1,825-3650 days
>43,800-87,600 hours
somehow that is less than 10,000?

>>73006004
>5-10 years

depends, some people got good in 1-2 years, does >>73005989 have any kind of musical background?

>>73006005
The voice is way too fuckin loud and you gotta de-ess it, those s's tear my eardrums apart. I like the song tho, has super good potential, just pull the vocals back a bit, also where'd you find the vocalist?

>>73006063
you're not gonna be doing it 24 hours a day

Should I get a Waldorf Microwave XTk or a Waldorf Q?

>>73006090
so why'd you say every day then

>>73006127
because doing something every day and doing something for 24 hours a day aren't the same thing?

>>73006004

That might be true for you lol, some people have 10+ years in this and still suck ass. Conversely, some people get really good in 2 years.

>>73006076

fuck either i'm deaf or i'm retarded but i don't find the high end ear raping at all. my hearing's supposed to be okay

>>73006179
do you have good speakers?

>>73006127
>>73005953

My god, why is there so many stupid people on here today?

>>73006160
then why even bother

>>73006076
yeah i took piano lessons but i've abandoned western harmonic theory entirely because it is a dead end but besides that not much

>>73006193
rokit 5s, dt 880 for headphones, with dac

>>73006179
yeah it's not your ears, it's the system you're listening on. If I wear headphones it sounds fine but on speakers, if I turn them up loud enough the S's absolutely rape my ears.

>>73006205
>i've abandoned western harmonic theory entirely because it is a dead end

Uhhh, what?

>>73005989
This depends on what you already know, how dedicated you are (meaning how many hours you're going to put in it), your mindset, the people who surround you, etc.

There are multiple classically trained musicians (or any kind of non-electronic musicians) who already knew a lot about the "music" side of music production, so they only had to learn the "production" side, and got to a pro level in a year or even less.

There are people who didn't know anything before starting, and got mentored by someone who was already good, so they got to pro level in months.

There are people who got good in the same amount of time by doing things on their own for a number of reasons.

But chances are, you don't have any of these advantages, so you either grind A LOT, or you try to get someone very good to teach you everything.

>>73006051
anon please i've spent so much time fixing her tone, is it that bad?

>>73006210
hmm... i also have dt880s. i find them to be a little soft in the high end sometimes so maybe that's why you aren't hearing it. alternatively, maybe the other guy is listening on something where that frequency range is hyped up so it sounds worse to him? i dunno

>>73006179

Just checkd it out as well, yeah lower the vocal a few dbs and raise the whole track. Didn't sound like you needed a ds but I'm listening on mobile so take that how you will.

>>73006223
yeah im forgoing music theory so i don't need to waste any of my hours with that

>>73006225
i know next to nothing because i figure that's the best way to start-- without any indoctrinations

any programs to help? like gameshark for ableton?

>>73006205
>then why even bother
i dunno, do you wanna learn or not?
>i've abandoned western harmonic theory entirely because it is a dead end
oh jesus lol what are you going on about now?

>>73006256
>yeah im forgoing music theory so i don't need to waste any of my hours with that

U dum

>>73006256
>like gameshark for ableton?
oh my god this needs to be a troll, what is happening in this fucking thread

>>73006271
not interested in hacking together formulas, chief

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>>73006256
>gameshark for ableton

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>>72996875
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>>73006244
>>73006236
>>73006223
>>73006193
>>73006076
thanks lads for feedback, the high end ear rape probably came from mastering. but the thing i'm worried about is the tone though, i keep having this feeling like the vocal is out of key

>>73006229
i don't think her tone is too bad
i just don't like the song

>>73006317
appreciate it anon, shame my music didn't suit your taste tho :(

>>73006286

Well be interested is wasting time lol

>>73006304
>implying it wasn't a deliberate aesthetic decision to make the thread look more distinguished

>>73006229
It's not bad mane, like I said it's a good song and her tone is nice, just pull it back and take off the S's and it's done.

>>73006256
>yeah im forgoing music theory so i don't need to waste any of my hours with that

kek, it's not a waste of time though

>>73006305
The tone is perfect, it's probably ear fatigue for working on it for too long, I have that sometimes too where shit sounds out of pitch.

>>73006256
>any programs to help? like gameshark for ableton?
i have just the software for you ;^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPV8c9rVQpg

>>73006256
>i know next to nothing
Then follow this guide:
https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/39367482/#39370429
Read Samuel's posts.
It's a bit old, but still relevant.

>any programs to help? like gameshark for ableton?
The closest thing that comes to mind is Syntorial, which will teach you how to use a synth.
To learn Ableton just watch Sadowick's course:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa9ASr8n5idArGa1uaBExM-lI-nO1P959

If you're even more braindead and lazy and want it even easier, start here:
https://learningmusic.ableton.com/
You'll learn the basics in an hour. It's pretty fun too.

>>73006357
a combination of this and Cthulhu will do it.

You'll never git gud though. You might get lucky and drop a big track and make some money but that would be the extent of your career.

>>73006381
not planning on a career

just need some hot tunes to prove a point

>>73006381
Cthulhu will sound all over the place if you don't know what you're doing though.
It's one of those tools that make it easier to sound better, but won't do all the work for you.

Trying random things with Ableton's piano roll with the Scale midi device is easy enough for him, and will yield better results with no theory knowledge.


>>73006418
Read above.
You can have more Scale presets here:
http://www.covops.org/chords_and_scales_for_live_8/

>>73006418
Lol just torrent vengeance and use all the loops

>>73006418
>to prove a point
What point?

>>73006418
>to prove a point

Now you have us curious lad

>>73006430
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYCuPafLUEQ

how to make trap music using ableton ?

>>73006668
Learn to use Ableton and once you're good enough to turn your ideas into actual music, make trap.

Alternatively, buy/pirate trap kits and loops, so you put together the premade samples and can have trap songs to all yours (even if they're not).

https://clyp.it/m2ppplch?token=14b2bc7adf87110bf072f0a137166b3a

horrible mixing and quality aside, did I early 2000s correctly? also Cheers by Obie was a really nice album not a lot of people talk about.

>>73006709
i do know how to use ableton. all the sounds are fucking shit and sound like chainsmoker songs.

>>73006668
this >>73006709

>>73006728
Yeah sure.

>>73006120
XTk imo

good luck finding one for a good price

>>73006808
Then practice by recreating songs you like.
It's a really good excersize that makes you experience everything that went into creating it.
Think of it like an advanced deep analysis of the song, so you can know exactly what makes it the way it is.
Then see the difference between your music and those songs that you've analyzed, and work on every single aspect of it until it's as good as those songs you think are good.

Do this a few times and you'll be much better than before.

>>73005284
>>73005955
But they're expensive. I already have a couple. Buying another should not be necessary.
Why is it so hard to fine a plain and simple line input with no added fluff?

>>73006808
ableton beat tools pack has some nice sounding drums

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How do you go about adding a "sub melody" to a track that already has a sampled melody? I don't even know where to start. Do you need to use the exact scale the sample is in?

>>73006960
the sub bassline has to play the bass notes of the chords or whatever is going on.

>>73006913
You can't practice recreating songs. Trap producers don't use ableton without plugins. The native sounds are fucking pop shit.
>>73006943
i dont have money for that

>>73006921
>I already have a couple.
why would you buy multiple entry level audio interfaces? you could have gotten an actual good one with more than enough inputs

>>73006992
I'm not talking about a sub bassline. I meant like a second melody, to kind of compliment the entire melody.

>>73006999
you can probably find it on a torrent thats how i get all my samples

>>73007090
i've tried looking on piratebay but their are no results

>>73006999
Where did I say use Ableton's default sounds?
I personally never even installed the packs (only the device presets and the piano, which I only use when I'm too lazy to load up Kontakt).

Obviously, unless you're Getyoursnackon your end result won't sound exactly like the original, but you can get pretty close depending on your skills, and in doing so you can gain a deeper understanding of how the song came to be.

Also, arrangement and musicality (the midi shit so to speak) are more important than you might think when it comes to getting a "sound" or genre right.

>i dont have money for that
https://audioz.download/samples/125454-download_ableton-beat-tools-v11-for-ableton-live-v971-alp-synthic4te.html

>>73007026
I have a cheaper one and a more expensive one. One at work and one in my garage.
It's not about the number of inputs. If that was it then I'd more than make do with just one of them. It's about ease of use. I don't want to have to take it with me whenever I need it.

I just want a plain and simple line input for my laptop. For when I am out.

>>73007139
i use rutracker im sure they have a bundle of live packs

>>73007154
been using logic for a year now. i've noticed ableton sound selection is awful. drums aren't an issue for me.
>>73007169
i'll check it out thanks

>>73006999
>i dont have money for that

Just torrent shit

>>73007043
Well think of it chords and just pick the note below the top one.

>>73007154
also for that DL you need to give them yor credit card..fuck that

Already have a decent understanding of production thanks to guitar and vocals but I wanted to start making beats and shit

How is the MPK249 as a keyboard controller with a drum pad?

>>72997572
I dont know if I had low expectations but that synthtrack got me going, although I feel like the conclusion is a bit of a drag. I didnt feel satisfied at the end

>>73007258
Sound good mane.

>>73007193
Nobody uses Ableton's default sounds dude. Certainly not the pros.

For real instruments get Kontakt libraries (or if you're gay get Nexus).

For synth sounds get Serum (it's an all-around good synth, but depending on the sounds you want to make there might be other ones more appropriate).

For various samples get Splice packs by famous producers, and check out the Converse Rubber Tracks Sample Library (a pain in the ass to download but they're worth it, and are also free).

>>73007212
You need to click on the peeplink.in links, and it will give you the actual downloads.

>>73007167
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PODStuGX

>>73007274
Is there really anything else I should buy in addition to that? I already have a DAC and Amp with studio monitors plus a Shure SM58

I want to make Jon Hopkins style shit, budget isn't really a problem

>>73007258
You should find your own drum pad/keyboard to accommodate for your space/budget and whether you want a shit ton of knobs and sliders and whatnot. Do research instead of asking

>>73007312
Don't know how to get Nexus for Ableton but i'll check out Kontakt and Serum. Thanks.

>>73007312
nobody uses presets dudes. certainly not the pros.

>>73007331
You literally only need an ok computer to make all the fire you want, a controller helps but you don't really need anything else.

>>73007339
How can you not know about those plugins?
They're some of the most popular ones.

How long have you been producing?

For the record, Serum is a good synth, but I suggest starting with something simpler, like Sylenth1 (get Syntorial and do the exercises, and you'll become a bomb with it) and maybe Massive (strongly suggest reading Massive's manual, as it teaches you a lot).
Kontakt is a popular sampler, for which there are entire companies dedicated to make libraries.
They are top quality and easy to use.

If

>>73007362
But they do.
Maybe not the ultra-technical producers, but many popular ones are famous for using presets.
Even Daft Punk used an unchanged Gross Beat preset for Derezzed.

If you're being sarcastic, Using presets is different than using Ableton's default sounds, simply because Ableton's sounds suck.

>>73007331
>I want to make Jon Hopkins style shit, budget isn't really a problem

go modular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyD7BZ-vQIw

>>73007515
Well I'd be able to do a good cover of Idioteque I guess

>>73007496
>simply because Ableton's sounds suck.
you mean you don't understand synthesis

>>73007515
>go modular

kek

>>73007450
I've been studying digital production at college for a year now. Never got to use them. Only used Logic. I don't want to spend a lot of money on plugins or anything.

>>73007625
You mean you don't understand English.

I'm talking about default samples and presets in Ableton's library, which are subar compared to third party stuff, and are rarely used compared to third party presets and samples.

I'm not talking about Ableton's native devices, which are mostly used with custom settings.

>>73007676
Almost everything software can be pirated.
I've used hundreds of plugins, samples, presets, tutorials, etc. and never spent a single cent.

Almost always downloaded from AudioZ (website linked above), and more recently on http://fresh-stuff4u.com/ (sounds like a sketchy website but it's legit).

lotta talk about trap itt I like it
listen to my trap

https://clyp.it/05ylrstk

What's some good VSTs for just some nice sounds? Got my eyes on Korg M1 vst at the moment, cheap and what not, but anything else?

A lot of modern VSTs with the exception of the expensive ones just sound way too aggressive too me, too 'EDM'

>>73007751
Do you use ableton? Do you have nexus for ableton? Do you make trap?

>>73007774
This is fucking awful my man

>>73007806
y

>>73007776
If you're trying to use the VSTi for its presets, you can try Serum, Sylenth1, Diva, and Zebra.

You can try samplers and romplers like Nexus and Kontakt if you don't care about customizing your sounds much.

If you're good with synths, you can make any kind of sound, so choose whatever.

Do you have anything against piracy?

>>73007774
Not bad, fuck the haters.

>>73007792
>Do you use ableton?
I do.

>Do you have nexus for ableton?
Nexus isn't for Ableton. It's just a plugin you can use with whatever DAW.
https://refx.com/nexus/

I don't suggest it though.
Get Kontakt instead.

>Do you make trap?
Not really.
I've made a couple of halfassed trap-sounding songs in 2014/2015, but other than that not really.
I can upload them if you want.

>>73007942
Sure. I've tried installing nexus for ableton, didn't work

>>73007774
not awful, i think the background ambience/atmosphere has potential
the problem is the drums aren't hitting where they should be and the pitch bending subs aren't sounding like i think you want them to, get some better percussion samples and work on the pitch bending

>>73007966
Here is an old one I've made in about 5 days (so don't expect any polish):
https://clyp.it/zogthcfe?token=27f4d06c391cd742b8b10c14918d30e9
Any feedback is still welcome.

Note: The sub is pretty low, so use headphones or a subwoofer.

>>73008305
First 20 seconds were extremely good, was expecting some hard hitting drop. I would change the drums and delete the 2nd half entirely. Good sound selection

>>73008344
>drop

fuck off, EDMfag

>>73007922
thanks what keeps it from being great?

>>73008010
what do you think I t5hink I want it to sound like ?
whwy dont you like the perc

>>73008374
i don't listen to edm.

>>73008305
Damn the drop sounds sound so bad there (on Soundcloud too).
Here's a 320kbps version if you want:
https://mega.nz/#!zs4DGAgB!ZJgWtKbJME71wbqYF3nNDZ2nsu2gI9_i-FEOd_3P4fc

>>73008344
I like the 2nd part actually. Didn't want to make a hard hitting drop, and the feel it has is what I was going for.
I agree on the drums though.

>>73008305
Another trap-ish song from about the same period:
https://mega.nz/#!D8YBjazY!JTOKBFyj7ECX_Nd7FQONU7eqQkk57Drzb6JhIzwpOE8

Feedback welcome here as well.

>>73007689
>doesn't realize "presets" are patches for ableton devices

you mean you don't understand synthesis

>>73008609
>You have to understand synthesis to use presets.

Am I not understanding you?

What I mean is that the use of Ableton devices is popular, while the use of their presets is not, because they're largely considered to not be very good compared to third party stuff.

Can you please explain your point in a less concide manner?
English is not my first language, so maybe I'm the one not understanding.

>>73006960
You need to work out the key and harmony of the sample and then use that information to compose an appropriate melody.

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anyone have this thing? do you like it?

>>73009081
I played one of these around the time when it came out. Superficially it was pretty fun to jam on. Some of the sounds were big but others were like clicky 70s drum machines. I usually prefer samples to drum machines in all honesty.

>>73009635
samples are too static sounding though

>>73009999
Not him but there are ways to make them less static.
If they're atonal you can slightly randomize the note they play at, or you can put an eq with a freerunning LFO, or you can add different FX to them and make multiple versions from the same sample so you can alternate between them.

Of course that applies if you only have a single sample to work with.
If you're using decent sample libraries they'll have multiple samples for each note to make them sound different each time.

>>72998339
i think you could do with some mixing practice man. cool sounds though

>>73000371
MY OPINION IS FUCK READING DUNE IN HIGHSCHOOL I'LL READ SCI FI WHEN I WANT DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO READ

samples are too loud. the main synth line is a little too... obvious sounding? after 1:45ish it gets much more interesting.

>>73004897
i think you're oversimplifying it with that first sentence but there's probably some truth to what you're saying... the sexism argument about how women would be "discouraged" socially doesn't really make sense considering you can produce in isolation without having their face attached to anything...

>>73001225
kick is too loud or something... i'd soften it up at least... chill beat man

>>73002269
>TL;DR trap is very specific and no one knows why.

itb music requires a lot of attention to detail. minimalist music even more so, becase it can sound repetitive more easily

>>73001327
what are you so mad about lol <.<

>>73002052
>0 replies

this is my kind of shit. i long for more experimental music in these threads :(
also i'm resampling you THANKS MAN

>>73003562
>is this cringe fellas?
not at all lol. you should add more too it though

>>73009999
Just use swing or a light stereo phaser, the main problem I run into is when it comes down to changing the pitch on the drum. That happens with stuff like linndrum samples too though.

>>73010605
>i think you're oversimplifying it with that first sentence but there's probably some truth to what you're saying... the sexism argument about how women would be "discouraged" socially doesn't really make sense considering you can produce in isolation without having their face attached to anything...
The documentary I talk about here [>>73005926] Is precisely about that argument, and they come to the conclusion that it's both genetic and societal (which I think happens because the genetic part in the first place).
As I said throughout the thread, it's not "all men like X and not Y, and the opposite applies to women".
It's more that a more or less higher percentage of men like X and a more or less higher percentage of women like Y.

Obviously if you only read the first sentence you're going to get a completely unnuanced black and white argument, which is not what I made here.

https://clyp.it/qzgx2lqd

At the 2:00 minute mark there is a transition from a dark and cold atmosphere to a warm chord. I want to make it sound like the dark atmosphere is moving away from the chord. I want to make it seem like the listener is moving away from the dark atmosphere and into the warm one. If anyone has any tips to make sounds seem like they are moving toward and away from you, that would be kindly appreciated.

>>73010741
lol i'm not trying to read or discuss in depth; the gender disparity in interests is a silly thing to get worked up over. like you said, not all men not all woman.

>>73011094
Of course.
I'm not getting worked up over it.
Someone asked why there aren't as many girls interesting in music production, I told him what I think is a major reason why, and now my autism forces to pedantically respond to everyone to explain myself.
I sometimes wish I could let go and ignore the responses but I can't help it.

lisen to my soundcloud cuh

www.soundcloud.com/

>>73011181
Damn Alex, all of it?

>>72996875

how do I synthesize the main sound at 22:43?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdL0vNtwcQw

the one that is kind of resonant and whistley

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I seen Oatmeal recommended a few times in the past but after seeing its clusterfuck UI I didn't even bother.

But now that I'm using it with a nice skin, it's got a lot of features with a pretty low CPU hit. Custom waveforms, plenty of envelopes, sequencer, LFOs, XY pad, up to 16 voice unison, bunch of filters, damn. It's a nice subtractive synthesizer.

Website's down so you gotta get it from here now http://www.vstplanet.com/News/2012/oatmeal_v38-1

And here's a skin to make it usable http://www.vstskins.com/skins/fuzzpilz/oatmeal/40-lumina-r8 it looks really good.

So I been listening to Song Exploder over a week or so and it's real good, lots of cool interviews and a look into the individual parts of the songs.

http://www.maximumfun.org/shows/song-exploder

Definitely worth a listen.

>>73012660
Shit it even has sync and FM under the osc mixer.

Fuck dude

Guys, how do I find instruments like the ones on Oneohtrix Point Never's "R Plus Seven"? I have good songwriting ability, grasp of melody/rhythm/etc. but I'm weighed down by dogshit instruments and lack of ability to do my own synthesis beyond minor tweaks on a sine/triange/square wave.

Help, pls.

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How am I doing?

https://clyp.it/awrhp4qc

>>73006960

Use your own ears anon

>>73013304
Idk that opn album but you kind of just admitted to not knowing synthesis..????? Learn to program wtf. Also samplers

>>73002467

I like it anon, keep up the good work :)

>>73013304
O M N I S P E R E
I think he used a D50 and some analog synths too, but nothing really sounded analog on the album.

>>72998339

literally sounds like musical diarrhea, friend

>>73013767
>omnispere
>D50
checking these out, thanks anon

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this are knobs and light-feedbacked buttons

how would you map them as a synth/midi record controller?

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https://youtu.be/44iE34xPo3o

Havent Mastered it yet but how is this nooB OC

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https://youtu.be/_wlzZZtM4yU

Biggie Smalls Dead wrong high pitch...

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>>72996875

Vocals not great, drums not great in some places, guitars sound decent, anything else?

https://clyp.it/2tfyjxk3

>>73014184
You've never heard musical diarrhea. https://youtu.be/XSU1wM96040

croony thing I made in my bedroom where I can't sing very loud

https://clyp.it/ptrplrwr

Can people let me know if the instrumental can be improved? Other feedback welcome

Bamp

>>73008608
Anymore?

>>73017288
>mega link

why can't you function like a normal person?

Music illiterate here.
I was trying to replicate this waveform effect for a game:
https://youtu.be/Jm932Sqwf5E?t=2359 [Embed]

But after downloading the song and seeing its waveform in some other software, it doesn't look the same as it does in the video (way more chaotic, not so cool).

So I think the effect is kinda faked/exaggerated.
But on the other hand, the video is 2 hours long, so whoever made it probably figured out a way to automate it.

Any ideas?

>>73017623

They probably used the "Audio Waveform" layer effect in Adobe After Effects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsYXPQwbBjY

how do i get over the learning curve of switching my daw/learning new programs? It fucking sucks and i miss being able to spontaneously make music

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wich should i buy, the apc key 25(pic related), or the launchkey mini?

>>73018080
Watch some tutorials maybe, push yourself to do new things in the DAW instead of the same old.

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>>73012660
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2014/03/11/oatmeal-free-skin-mrm-blue/

Another skin if this is more anyone's aesthetic.

Daichi mentioned wanting to add skinning capabilities to Synth1, can't wait to see what people make for it.

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>literal children/"teens" getting worldwide tours and to play with martin garrix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fVgZ5aQPPk

usually i wouldnt flip a finger at PC but god damn this makes me angry. is EDM so retarded now that even teen girls are allowed on stage. Spinnin Records is fucking cancer i wanna drown their whateverfucking studio in a pile of shit

So not only this SHIT MUSIC is bad, it´s literally the only thing clothing stores and mcdonalds play.Makes me wanna quit music and start suckerpunching musicians while they´re shopping
Oh yeah and how does it feel guys to know that most views come with the most braindead content? Dont you just wanna do more when you know how cringe the mainstream scenes are (=where money is)?

>>73018129
dont bother with that shite, just save some more money and get better equipment you wont want to replace in a years time

>>73018349
>being this mad

please

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>>73018349

>>73018349
you'll get over it when you're older

>>73018354
what about a launchpad then?

>>73018349

>so retarded now that even teen girls are allowed on stage

This outrage is amusing considering the fact that you are very obviously a teenager yourself.

>>73018496
yeah, launchpads are pretty decent

>>73018549
if i buy a launchpad i have some more money left.
what to buy for more control, when you already have a launchpad?

>>73018559
i dunno, maybe some keys if you don't have a midi keyboard yet. could also go for some thing with knobs/sliders to map... guess it's down to your personal preference of what other kind of device you think you'll get the most out of

Is the nektar impact lx88+ a good keyboard for MIDI and learning the piano? its semi weighted. its the best i could find for 300 (cnat spend more) but i wonder if its worth it.. thank you

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What do you guys think about the TAL-Sampler? Thinking about getting it, cheap, easy to use and make a great vintage sampled sound that you get in old dance and hip-hop records

>>73013667

I like it mate, bit simple but could work as an interlude or something. Sounds BoC-ish, if that's what you were going for.

>>73013304
see >>73013767

When it doubt, remember the most popular synths of all time are Roland D-50, Yamaha DX7 and Korg M1. A huge amount of electronic music use these synths

>>73018737
Pretty neat, lots of samples that come with it, but the CPU usage was higher than Kontakt IIRC. The vintage sampled sound is just going to come from the samples though, the slight crunch it adds from the resampler is hardly worth the price, just put a bit crusher set to 12 bits on a normal sampler with some retro samples, maybe resample those samples to 32kHz. Pirate it, if you use it more than a week then buy it imo.

>>73018801
Cheers for advice

>>73017288
Not really.
These are the only ones sounding like trap, and they barely do.

>>73017404
I uploaded the wav of the 1st song on clyp.it but the compression made it sound like shit for some reason, so I reuploaded it in mp3 on MEGA, and for the second song I skipped clyp.it altogether.
If you make music you know how important it is for your music to be listened to properly, so that people listen to the actual song how you made it, and not a shitty version of it.

>>73017623
The waveform in the video is just a effect like the other guy said, and it's not a waveform but a spectrum visualizer like vid related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg1yqJ_vC38

Obviously it'not made to be accurate, but to look cool in the video.

>>73019385
If you're not a troglodyte you'll know no one wants to bother with downloading an MP3 from Mega to listen to your WIP. If becoming a standard 128kbps MP3 ruins your track, it wasn't good to begin with.

>>73019782
>If you're not a troglodyte you'll know no one wants to bother with downloading an MP3 from Mega to listen to your WIP
It's not a WIP, it's just an old song I posted for that one Anon I was having a conversation with.
If someone else wants to listen and maybe give me some feedback that's a plus.

>If becoming a standard 128kbps MP3 ruins your track, it wasn't good to begin with.
I know.
My songs often have this problem and I have no idea how to solve it.

Sup prod?
Just experimenting with pitch shifting. And new plugins. Who needs mono when you have two speakers? :^)
https://clyp.it/gw4dn2g5

hey guys how can i get the gbv sound?
help pls

>>73020202
Put a stalk of dry celery in your cabinet so it vibrates. If you don't have dry celery, put celery in an oven to dry it out like you would for peanuts or almonds.

>>73019782
>128 kbps
>standard
I used to make the mistake of downloading songs with 128 kbps conversion, they all make a background sound like food getting fried.
192 kbps should be a decent option.

>>73020353
you have to activate the celery first or it sounds like shit

>>73020591
>like shit
Yeah no joke, I tried a cracked celery once and it was just a mess.

https://clyp.it/we5uswek
thoughts on this

>>73021081
keep practicing and don't rely on effects for decent sounds

>>73007312
Installed Serum and Kontakt and they don't even show up. The installation was difficult as well and there wasn't any read me.txt, even made a custom plugin folder and still nothing

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>>73022171
No idea dude.
Assuming you're the Logic guy from yesterday, I take it you're on Mac, right?
I'm not sure how it works, as I've only used Windows.

Do other plugins show up or it's just these two?

Can you please post a screenshot of the "File Folder" tab in the Preferences like in pic related?

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>>73022263
I'm not on a mac. I only have those plugins and none of them work. I couldn't even find the .exe setup for Serum.

>>73022404
>I couldn't even find the .exe setup for Serum.
What do you mean?

When you install a plugin, the installer puts a .dll file in a plugin folder (and sometimes puts other files elsewhere too, that the plugin will use in order to run).
Ableton has to read those .dll files (or a shortcut to them).

Here's a plugin that you don't have to install:
http://ag-works.net/media/Sonogram_SG1.zip
Just move the .dll file in the folder you set ("C:\Users\vival\Music\PLUGINS"), and click rescan to see if it appears.

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>>73022569
How do I open the dll file?

>>73022569
Sonogram is working

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>>73022686
You don't open it.
It just stays there, so that Ableton can read it and put it in the list of available plugins.

You then access the plugins from the "Plug-Ins" menu inside Ableton (pic related).

>>73022722
Your Ableton installation is 32-bit (x86) right?
Did you install the 64-bit (x64) version of those plugins?
If you did this then you may have to uninstall them and install the proper version for them to be compatible.

I don't remember how the installation of these particular two works, so maybe you have both the 32bit and the 64 bit installed.

Try to check if you have a "C:\Program Files (x86)\VstPlugins" folder.
They should be inside of it.

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>>73022815
>>73022734
This is my ableton folder, not sure if it's 64 bit

>>73022851
In Ableton click on the Help tab on the top, then on "About Live..."
It's written there.

>>73022894
Got it. It says xfer is in there. Should I extract my other folder to it?

>>73023046
What?

Can you rephrase please?

>>73023068
Should I extract all the files in my custom plugins folder to the default vstplugin folder?

>>73023210
You can definitely try.

I don't know if it will work because sometimes programs only work when all the files are in the place they were put in by the installer.

Perhaps try to locate the serum.dll file, make a shortcut out of it (right-click, send to, desktop-create shortcut), and put the shortcut in the folder where the working plugins are.

>>73023286
And what if that doesn't work?

>>73023286
I don't even have a serum.dll file

>>73023351
You can then try to move the files from one folder to the other.

If that doesn't work either, uninstall the plugins and reinstall them by setting it to the right folder.

>>73023371
Then sorry, if you can't find it, then I won't be able to help you from here.

What's in the xfer folder you told be about earlier?

>>73023425
I'm searching my hard drive for it. Just wondering, do you have Skype or Discord?

>>73023495
I don't.

What's in the xfer folder?

Send me a screenshot of C:\Program Files (x86)\VstPlugins\

>>73023563
Found the Serum.dll, should I put it in the custom vst plugins folder?

>>73023563
Just put the shortcut in the custom folder, still nothing

>>73023639
Don't move it for now.
Make a shortcut and put THAT in the custom vst folder.

To make a shortcut, right-click on the file, then move the mouse over "Send to", and then click on "Desktop (create shortcut)".
This will create a shortcut file on your desktop, which is what you need to move in the custom folder.

>>73023692
Every time you make a change in the plugins folder, you need to click "rescan" in Ableton's preferences.
Did you do that?

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>>73023718
Yes

>>73023736
Is your Ableton 32bit or 64bit?

Check in the Help>About Live... window

Do you have a serum.dll (that's not 64)?

>>73023781
32bit. the Serum is 64

>>73023800
Then it's not going to be compatible.

If you installed both versions of Serum, try to find the 32bit one and put its shortcut in the custom folder.

>>73023837
Re-installing Ableton, 64 bit this time. If this doesn't work I'm moving to FL

>>73023898
NO, don't do that.
Virtually all plugins have a 32bit version, but not all have a 64bit one.

Leave Ableton's 32bit one and reinstall Serum.
Your Serum installation is the problem. Not Ableton.

>>73023934
Got it from piratebay, it was only 64 bit I think. Already deleted Ableton, reinstalling now

>>73024010
Alright.

>>73024022
Do you also have Nexus for Ableton?

>>73024045
Nexus isn't for Ableton. It's just a plugin you can use with whatever DAW.
https://refx.com/nexus/

I don't have it and don't recommend it though.
Get Kontakt instead. It's basically for the same purpose.

Also, I think Nexus is harder to pirate.

>>73024098
I tried getting Kontakt. Same problem I had with Serum lol.

>>73024165
You installed the 64bit version?

From now on, you know which version to get, so hopefully you won't make the same mistake.

>>73024186
I don't think Kontakt has a 32 bit version. Not that I can see on pirateproxy.

>>73024293
This should work:
http://suprafiles.co/k98ls6vo42qr

Found here:
https://audioz.download/software/win/129090-download_native-instruments-kontakt-5-v568-symlink-installer-win.html

>>73024359
Wait, don't download that.
In the comments they talk about a problem with adding libraries.
I'll find you another download.

hey bros,

I'm thinking of getting a chepo midi keyboard to start composing some simple beats.

I know how to use Ableton, so what keyboard would you recommend that is compatible with it?

ive been looking at:

Samson Graphite M25

Akai LPK 25

Alesis V mini

cause those are around what i'm willing to spend. About 50 bucks.

thanks

>>73024405
oh wow, it works after i downloaded 64 bit, thanks for your help my guy.

>>73024770
Alright, if you made it work, then problem solved.

I just found a .torrent file in my torrents folder.
It's not the version I use, but it should be a trusted one.

If you have problems, you can always try it (if it still has seeders):
http://www94.zippyshare.com/v/M09TAsjB/file.html


Just keep in mind when you get the libraries, that they're not made for a version of Kontakt that's newer than what you have.

>>73024868
Not sure how to add library to Kontakt.

>>73025143
Last time I added one was years ago, so I don't remember well eough to give you instructions.

You can look on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+add+kontakt+library

>>73025216
Alright. I thought their would be default ones. Also, these Serum synths don't sound too great. lol

>>73025251
I think when you buy it you get a default library or something but obviously they won't include it with each release because it would be too big to download each time (they're made of samples after all).

For Serum there are tons of third party presets (and settings like for its LFOs, wavetables, etc).
If you make EDM, I suggest checking out Cymatics (choose them from their website and donload them from Audioz or fresh-stuff4u.com).
As you go along with music production you'll find presets you like.

I'm not the best person to advise you on that because I like to synthesize everything from scratch (except real instruments obviously).

You can ask in the next thread if anyone can suggest some cool Kontakt libraries or Serum presets.

>>73025390
I'm just looking for that Drake sound really.

>>73025496
I don't really know what you're talking about (I don't listen to hiphop), but you can look for tutorial of people teaching that particular style, and see which sounds they use, then get those.

>>73024497
Don't get the Akai LPK25 two of my friends who have it had the keys break, you're probably good going with the Alesis.

>>73025143
You can either click on add library on the vertical browser to the left or make a quickbrowser drag and drop by right clicking and bringing that up.

>>73025496
Show some examples? It will be beneficial in the long run to learn sound design/synthesis. It's not as hard as people make it out to be, just go through the manual, try to understand what it says and have fun experimenting :)