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Better yet, lets post alpha pianists which thus weren't jewish

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This is now Stravinsky thread.

>>72980483
Reminder that stravinsky (with no capital s) composed at the piano

>>72980589
SHOCKING TRUTH

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Just getting into Bach, what is his best String Quartet, Requiem, and Opera?

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Just getting into Mozart, what is his best chorale prelude, his best work for solo violin, and his best work for solo cello?

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Just getting into Lizst, what is his best piano work and transcription?

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>Schubert and Schumann early works

They sound more like exercises, rather than works of art
I wonder to what extent they've appreciated their first pieces in their later years, especially Schumann.

>>72981505
Schubert probably didn't have much time to reflect on it since he died super young

>>72981505
>Schumann's early works
>exercises
have you listened to them at all

>>72981543
Yes, and they are amateurish at best up to Op. 13 and 14, and even then they are still clueless and borderline laughable (Schumann in these years was actually a laughing stick for French composers) if compared to his later works.

Still, he started composing in his 20s, so I think it's excusable.

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how do i make a musicc

is this /pseud/ general?

>>72982353
read fux's gradus ad parnassum, do the exercises, read schoenberg's fundamentals of musical composition, go to university / college

>>72981777
Y-you take that back, op. 14 is lovely.

>laughing stick for French composers
Sauce me on this pls.

>>72982362
If you don't listen to at least a little bit of classical, you're not a music fan at all

Can anybody recommend me some joyous sounding organ music? A few days ago I heard
>Schumann's
Six pieces in canon form, op 56 and I enjoyed the first one.

>>72982362
Yes, everyone who doesn't listen to your pop trash is a pseud. So true.

>>72981520
And Schumann became insane super young

>>72983077
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0FhT39zqlQ

>>72983410
Thanks. I'm just getting into Brahms big time now so I'm looking forward to this.

>>72983091
He got insane when he was 46, that's not super young (unless you're talking about his bipolar personality disorder).

Strauss bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXIsMt-FPhw
>>72984118
Most people don't go crazy at all and if they do it's because they get Alzheimer's at an old age.

>>72984528
Well, it's still 18th century Vienna: lots of people in Schumann's generation went cracy way earlier than him due to syphilis. People of his time would have not said that he died young.

>>72980483
Les Noces > Rite of Memes

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What are some really melancholy stuff to listen too? Or tragic sounding? I've been listening to a lot of Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 6.

Would like to be bombarded with recommendations.

>>72980483
reminder that Stravinsky was a one-hit wonder who never recalled that original success

>>72985284
Mahler's sixth symhony

>>72980904
ha .. ha

>>72985284
>>72985536
Neither of these pieces are melancholic.

>>72985590
>Or tragic sounding

>>72985590
Then recommended me some that are.

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Why do people like Tchaikovsky? I've listened to his last 3 symphonies, and they bored me to death: I always have the impression that too few things are happening in any given passage. Even if I still have not memorized his music, every passage of his appear to me as stale, generic and overly simplistic (sorry if I'm stressing it, but it was way too uneventful for my taste, there was not even a single moment that really fired my neurons).

Another similar case is Chopin. My mom, who is way more naive than me as a listener (she mostly listens to pop music) will actually cry while listening to Chopin: on me the most common reaction is boredom.
There is a big chunk of the repertoire that pleases most are actual magnets for the general population, real crowd pleasers (Tchaikovsky, Chopin, Mendelssohn, early Liszt), and I simply don't understand it. The only link I can see is that most of these artists uses often repetitions, are not that radical in their thematic treatment (if it's there at all: Chopin, for example, frequently adds unrelated ideas to his musical flow, not that I've ever seen non-musicians complaining about it), and the amount of actual content is fairly low in quantity. how many complex pieces have been written by the aforementioned composers? Their composition may be sophisticated, but they're all simple in nature (not wrongly so, since this simplicity seems to be a prerequisite if you aant to reach the general public).
If you think that I'm too concerned about complexity, I'll admit that it is probably a prejudice, based on a purely phisiological response. I'm not interested in complexity for complexity's sake, but past a certain treshold simplicity becomes almost untolerable (for the same reason I have always has troubles listening to popular and underground band music, since those repetitions that are usually not a problem for most listeners, were truly irritating to me).

>>72985284
The Adagio from the Hammerklavier Sonata, played by Pollini.

>>72985675
>ywn never have the makings of a varcity academic

>>72985702
What?

>>72981777
Its Schumann, you don't listen to the Sonatas, symphonies or anything with classical forms, you go for the tone poems he composed on the piano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnHweMY54oQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEjhA3QVdJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDBsOgwnhnU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeAf_Sdw2ow

also fuck off Op. 13 is amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NG7cryFsdA

>>72985734
Sopranos reference faggot, that's Junior in your picture

>>72985768
>Schumann was an amateur until he composed his third piano sonata
>"not true, to prove my point I'll post here 4 composition he composed after his third sonata"

>>72985779
I'm not that guy, I just did not get that reference.
Chill out.

>>72985794
I'm agreeing with you faggot, Schumann starts to get good when he disposes of classical forms and writes miniatures and songs

>>72985794
Oh and Fantastiestucke says hello

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZxdOW45As0

>all this Schumann underrating

Worst than Liszt underrating senpai

Papillons and Fantasistuck are the best pre Op 15 Schumann compositions, Schumann was trying to find his footing that's all

>>72985955
Schumann was still in the middle of his formal training (which he always valued immensely, always taking pride in the erudition that he attained later on his life): the favt that there are decent compositions in those years do not really discredit that anon's point, which is that Schumann was an amateur until his Opus 14.

I'm pretty sure Schumann thought the same in his 30s and 40s.

>>72985192
That's rite.

>>72985289
Quality is not equal success.

>>72985284
Rigoletto

Robert>>>>>Clara

>>72985284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGVaVxnf2gY

Mozart's requiem is average at best
Why is it so popular

>>72986778
gay

>>72985192
The Mass, Petrushka, Symphonies of Wind Instruments, and Scherzo a la russe>>>>>>all

>>72986778
Anything Mozart is a meme.

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>finished 4th movement of a piano sonata last night
>3rd movement already done
>only 1st and 2nd are left
We're all gonna make it lads.

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This will trigger HIPsters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dPSAK7TwmY

>>72987215
Be sure to post it here so we can all laugh at you.

>>72987240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJWLU1ja_1Y

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You and some friends are having a discussion about techno being edm (one of your friends doesn't agree). His argument boils down to: I'm right because I know more about music (because he listens to more music genres according to him). So you ask him what an interval is, he doesn't know.

How do you respond?

>>72987440
How do you respond to the question of what an interval is or to your friend not knowing what an interval is?

In the case of the prior, why would you respond? You've made your point.

>>72987460
Latter, prior, same thing.

>>72987440
>How do you respond?
You unfriend the shitstain.
Plebs need to be gassed.

>>72987313
This is even more triggering. Feels good.

>>72986778
It's popular because it was what he working on when he died so everyone knows it for that.

>>72987667
Are you a bad enough man to use a grand piano as the continuo instrument to perform the Brandenburgs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScgFj9jBjvw

Buxtehude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gin5FekQE0o

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>>72987274
Here's the first page. Roast me.

>>72988463
Where should I start with him?

>>72988661
>those dynamics
Show your compositions only to your teacher until you've finished all of your homeworks.

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>>72988742

>>72988742

yeah, he should have every note rapidly fluctuate between fff and ppp

>>72988798
>he only uses serial processes when composing for pitch and not for dynamics, rhythm and articulation
kek

>>72988772
It does not mean that you're not gonna make it, it just means that you have still much work to do. Hurry up, the clock is ticking!

>>72988708
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e39toz6o_8E

Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S63HpAmCt0

>>72985284
Barber Adagio for Strings
Borodin Nocturne
Rach symphony #2 3rd movement

bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvDraXJjyfI

>>72980904
unfortunately he wasn't talented enough to write in those forms

Now that the dust has settled, which composer does /classical/ think is the most:
>underrated
>overrated
>reddit

>>72988661
>key signature
dropped

>>72991293
me
ur favourite composer
u

>>72991293
Mozart

>>72991293
>underrated
mozzart
>overrated
Rach
>reddit
'thoven

This is objectively true, don't (You) me.

>>72991293
>underrated
scarlatti
>overrated
petzold
>reddit
shopin

>>72987240
Why?

>>72991293
>underrated
Dvorak
>overrated
Wagner
>reddit
Rachmaninoff

So I'm depressed, /mu/. Real life has mostly been a bitch, from early bullying to a life full of failures, and I'm in one of those days where it's hitting me.
That being said, what would you recommend for uplifting early music? I know, I should become an hero, kms, all those nice memes that 4chan always have for disgraces like me; but if you have it in your soul to feel at least a little bit of compassion to a fellow /classical/ listener, share with me what you listen when you need to feel better.
I mostly listen to baroque music, some classic and romantic here and there, so that's my preferred frame of reference, but if you have anything from either before or after I don't mind.
Have a nice day.

>>72991791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ktw6bYVz_U

>>72991791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jlzEFg-zkY
>>72991817
what a head banger

>>72980904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o5r5G1ScEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ00agLjPT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBH1SIMtKnc

>>72991293
>underrated
Morton Feldman
>overrated
Chopin
>reddit
Paganini

>>72991293
>underrated
my favorite composer
>overrated
my least favorite composer
>reddit
/classical/'s favorite composers

>>72991293
>underrated
Frescobaldi
>overrated
Boccherini
>reddit
Corelli

>>72992218
>Feldman
Are you a hipster?

>>72991817
>>72991870
Thank you both. Great composers and great performers.

>>72992447
No.

>all that pleb modern and firetruck garbage ITT
It's like you guys aren't even trying anymore.

>>72991791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vkhzVNn5xE

>>72991293
>underrated
Mozzzart
>overrated
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
>reddit
Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart

>>72992540
Strange, the only people who like Feldman are try-hard hipsters.

>>72992032
good joke

>>72992751
...which is why he's so highly rated on rym.

>>72991293
soler
handel
vivaldi

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>>72992751
MTT likes him

>>72991293
Weill
Chopin
Zimmer

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>>72992842

>the only people who like Feldman are try-hard hipsters.

>>72991293
>underrated
All Russian composers who aren't Tchaikovsky, Rach or Shostakovitch
>overrated
Debussy
>reddit
Mozart

>>72991293
>underrated
Martinů
>overrated
Carter
>reddit
Mozart

>>72991791
The march at 0.48 never fails to cheer me up.

>>72994679
Forgot the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9FYgLvKTbc

what you guys think of Weinberg?

>>72994155
fuck off poly

>>72992404
>overrated
>Boccherini
go fuck yourself

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>the Bb up to G in the final minutes of Mahler 2

>>72985536
only listened for the hammer

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*blocks your path*

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>>72995914
>Dvorak
>good
pick 1 friendo

How does /mu/ feel about modern artists reinterpreting classical works?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oYWfJuMGMA

>>72996117
Dvořák is an underrated genius. Get with the times gramps, Czechs are people too.

>>72996151
>Czechs are people too.

Let's not get crazy here, Dvorak is a good composer but he was still just a Slav.

>>72995794
E P I C
P
I
C

Unironic, serious Q:
What does /classical/ think of Ligeti?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os-cHI9G2KU

And Arvo Part?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ6Mzvh3XCc

Are they just for hipster dilettanti?

>>72996117
dvorak because he wasnt just good he was AMAZING

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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Herr Schoenberg the Atonal? I thought not. It’s not a story the neoclassicists would tell you. It’s a serialist legend. Herr Schoenberg was a Viennese composer, so creative and so wise he could use tone rows to create music… He had such a knowledge of harmony that he could even keep his audiences from feeling comfortable. The serialist method of composition is a pathway to many sounds some consider to be dissonant. He became so knowledgable… the only thing he was afraid of was dying on the 13th of the month, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his students everything he knew, then they went on to write film scores for Hollywood. Ironic. He could save others' music from scorn, but not his own.

>>72997453
Is it possible to learn this power?

>>72996150
I think it's ok; in fact, it was a common practice some time ago. Don't get me wrong, this is vastly inferior than the source material, but even so, it's a nice practice. And as music to listen while your focus is elsewhere this is not bad at all.

>>72996150
Dear god those comments. I keep forgetting how bad Youtube comment sections are and am always surprised.

>>72988708
Listen to membra jesu nostri

>>72991293
>underrated
Haydn.
>overrated
Mozart.
>reddit
Chopin.

>>72996659
Ligeti is the best post World War 2 composer. Part is just ok.

>>72996150
This is better than the original.

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>>72991293
>underrated
Dallapiccola

>overrated
Schumann

>reddit
Tchaikovsky, Holst and Dvorak

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>>72996150
same way I've always felt.

>>72998719
>Dallapiccola

His best works pls?

>>72996659
Ligeti is very good.
Part is a garbage.

>>72992751
Your statement is not true since I'm not a hipster.

>>72994092
I will never get how anyone can think that debussy is overrated

does listening to rach make me a pleb pls response

>>72999837
Yep.

>>72999897
What's a good piano concerto then?

>>72999928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saLFve2frP8

>>72999928
Most from Mozart.

>>72999973
wow so dark and atmospheric xD

Sounds like a 1950s horror movie OST with some extra piano mashing.

>>72980904
Bach was literally musically retarded.

>>72999928
mendelssohn 1

>>72980411
Isn´t there any torrent for all these url from Mega?

Kinda shitty when the limit goes up.

>>72980411
>>Debussy. There is an accompanying chart, available on request.
What's the chart?

>>73000479
Just use soulseek.

>>72999928
Mozart's 9-27
Schoenberg
Carter
Babbitt

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955RrJs5uFo

What's the best op. 1 composition?

>>73001837
I don't think you're watching this for Bach.
>>73001845
Something 20th century, either Webern Passacaglia or Babbitt Three Compositions

>>72989541
Bartok was such an underrated pianist

>>73001845
Webern or Berg

post dank memes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPkZZBDv8Ps

>>72996659
Ligeti' musica ricercara is one of my favorite 20th century pieces

>>72999928

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUQfQV42A10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtH6RCSqMm0
You loud and like poetry
When I fell in love with you
Ala, and I want to love you from the darkness.
Those sound like a cat, and you look so mad
Love ya crazy thing and did not explain
Beauty increase, so metaphorical
I saw gypsy, and she said that you are my oracle.
Advertising label, I feel so good with you, you, my girl
Future perfect when I'm with you
First, you are my queen
When I see you, I love winning and integrate
You good girl, looks like very good girl
So you better than girls in this place, in fact,
So far, the stench rude
Many of them, but the stench is so dirty race
So many so, but you make a good feel mine
Scumbridges love song, but not to touch my heart
Diamond your fucking name
Love your fucking name

>>72999928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjP0_cP8TA8

>>73002240
The next Rachmaninoff.

>>72991293
>>underrated
J J Townley

>>overrated
Rachmaninoff

>>reddit
Beethoven

what are the best recordings of Faure's nocturnes

>>73002348
same guy here, is it just Hubeau or is anyone else worth listening to

>>73002348
>>73002365
Doyen and Collard

>>73002240
This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLhzuCJ4LLQ version sounds pretty great though tbqhf.

>>73002374
thanks
will check these out

>>73002384
no it doesnt