Sampling

>>72971772
Depends

>>72971772
change the pitch m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zehvICx-Rsg

Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_surrounding_music_sampling

It has nothing to do with how much you change it, all that matters is that you legally clear it with the copyright holders. If they permit it you could theoretically completely rip it off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hPLJ6aYylE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJxVIUm8ivU

>>72971783
I know depends is the answer to any question anon but could you give me some different sides on what it depends on.

>>72971803
this is probably a better example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpy400TrIjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAcUzwaLXg

Is a cover band sampling?

>>72971848
no, they are covering

>>72971791
>>72971803
The reason I put the Avalanches as the thumbnail is they used hundreds of samples in their album. Did they seriously have to get all of that cleared by the copyright holders? That would take years of legal battle to complete.

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you're talking about what counts as plagiarism. it comes down to transformation. the artist has to transform the artwork to a certain extent in order to make a new statement, invoke a different feeling, or create a different image.

pic related is a classic example. use your judgement, there's no empirical way to tell if something is transformed or not.

as for sampling, i think you'd agree that these samples are transformed and pieced together enough to create an entirely new song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zehvICx-Rsg

but this is much more questionable
song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgoqrgc_0cM
sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PmyTqM0xuE

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god i love the avalanches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpWjNuMGh8I

plenty of ways to flip a sample without giving away the source

>>72971812

Meaning that it's still getting litigated; there isn't an easy answer. It used to be a free-for-all, but then people started suing and winning, and now they generally get clearance and pay for samples to avoid the headache.

So yeah, it depends. You can flip it and try to make it not sound like the original, and that might help you, but it won't protect you from getting your ass dragged into court where you'll end up hiring musicologists to explain how what you're doing is legal.

>>72972056
Do the Avalanches have to go through this when they put out stuff?

>>72971888
yeah they hire a specialist whose entire job is to clear samples for them. They've said they don't actually clear everything though. Like if it's completely unrecognizable and they know they'll get away with it they don't clear it. Usually drums and small sound effects from movies and stuff

option A: change it enough you don't get caught
option B: hedge your bets and pay royalties

mix A and B to taste

I'd say in most cases it's best for big artists to get permission

Another good sampling example is Kanye
On School Spirit, the copyright holder wouldn't allow him to use their song as as sample in the song unless it was clean
That's why even on the explicit version of the album when Kanye says nigga, fuck, etc it's censored

just sample people that will never know your music exists and you should be fine. really doubt most hip-hop producers go around getting rights for obscure library music made 30 years ago

>>72971772
Technically you need to get permission from the rights holder (i.e. the original label or artist). But if you're making underground music, people don't usually care enough to sue.

>>72972603
option C: don't change it that much and hope no one sues you. usually works out for smaller artists.

>>72971888
They did clear everything, and the ones they absolutely couldn't clear they had to remove. There's a really interesting article on the woman who cleared samples for them here:

http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2016/08/pat-the-detective-shannahan-interview