Why does /mu/ hate pic related? What recent jazz albums are better?

it doesnt

I honestly don't hate this record at all. But there are a lot better records. Check works of Chris Potter, Dave Holland, Elliott Sharp, Fred Hersch, Seamus Blake, Conrad Herwig etc

>>72957570
I just can't really imagine anybody thinking it's much better than average if they follow current jazz even a little bit.

RYM confirms this. Look at the profiles most of the people giving it four stars and above and most of them have heard less than 10 jazz albums, and almost all from between 1950 - 1970.

>>72957678
Most of these are good suggestions, plus Matthew Shipp, Myra Melford, Tony Malaby, William Parker, Orrin Evans, David Binney, Peter Evans, and Craig Taborn.

Shabaka Hutchings, Ellery Eskelin, also Idris Ackamoor is still active

>>72957570

I don't, it's great.

Since we've got some Jazz posters itt, what about Colin Stetson's sruff? Is he respectable or actually not jazz?

>>72958081
It's not necessarily jazz, more experimental. But I still dig it.

>>72957570
Clair de la Lune from it is just embarrassing.

>>72957919
the RYM reviews are so cringey. my favorites are the ones that are like "I don't know anything about jazz but this is definitely the best jazz release in 30 years and is saving the genre."

>>72957570
I'm pretty sure most modern jazz is made to be listened to by other jazz musicians. They're pretty much the only ones spending money on it. Most of it is really complex and there's all kinds of subtle shit going on that most casual jazz listeners would need 3 to 4 listens at least to pick up on. Of course they're not going to bother listening to it that many times, so they listen to it once and say it's boring.

So then Kamasi comes along and has some mainstream recognition already from having played on some major hip hop albums and releases some shit that sounds like a hip hop band trying to play 70's spiritual jazz. It's simple shit that people can nod their heads to and enjoy without having to really listen to it.

Should be no surprise at all that it got so popular.

>>72958528
can you give examples of these "complicated" artists?

Jazz Albums Better than "The Epic" (from the same year of release)
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/boldfaure/favorite_jazz_albums_of_2015__jazz_albums_better_than_the_epic_
>>72958081
Post-Minimalism.

>>72958528
more like he is a more digestible, hip hop inspired take sun ra. dude is still talented

>>72958621
all the ones mentioned by
>>72957678
>>72957919

>>72958528
this is exactly why jazz is dead

>>72959149
So you think jazz artists should dumb down their music for the sake of popularity and commercial success?

>>72958203
>>72958639
Thanks for educating me, boys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVN36Ou4BUU
is this jizz?

I really enjoyed Black Focus by Yussef Kamaal

>>72958528
accurate

>>72958690
he doesn't sound anything like Sun Ra...

>>72958081
The only possible reason I can think of that people sometimes refer to Colin Stetson's music as jazz is because it involves a saxophone. It's so far removed from jazz, it's like calling Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez rock music just because it involves a guitar.

>>72961412
This is fair. I asked because I'm really unaware of the modern trends in jazz and heard the label attatched to him a couple of times so figured I'd ask.

>>72957570
I expected something great but in the end I just thought it was all samey and bloated.

>>72959149
>tfw jazz became too brainy to survive
Wew

Pleb filter: the album

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Have you listened to this, OP?

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>>72957570
DHE EBIN :-D

>>72963508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eitYYfcODw

I don't like The Epic at all. It sounds like a CEO's idea of Jazz. No hate towards anyone that likes it though.

>>72957570
kinda like ppl who love childish havent heard funkadelic...the guys who won't stop gushing over this dont know mahavishnu/return to forever & really dont listen to jazz at all

>>72958690

I wouldn't say he's like Sun Ra at all aside from maybe aesthetic choices here and there. He's more of a fusion between Pharoah Sanders and Max Roach.

>>72957570
Because it's a shiny production watered down long ass version of Pharaoh Sanders.

>>72957570
jazz snobs hate The Epic because it didn't come from the institutionalized world of "real jazz"

part of why Kamasi became popular is because the mood of the music and live performances is inclusive, not exclusive, "serious jazz musicians/fans" want to be in their own secret club

>>72963836
As I recall this was the session band on To Pimp A Butterfly and that's why it was popular. It was anticipated before it came for that reason.

>>72957570
Sunbather of Jazz

>>72963854
yeah, while it's a stretch to say that it was To Pimp A Butterfly's session band, the popularity of The Epic was strongly aided by band members playing on TPAB and also Flying Lotus' You're Dead

The Epic was also released by FlyLo's Brainfeeder record label, so it was marketed to a wider group of media compared to jazz specialist labels

>>72963836
Explain to me what makes The Epic inclusive and what makes other jazz exclusive

>>72963991
this comes through in the live shows and interviews - Kamasi talks a lot about community and family and that sort of stuff. His live shows include stories on how the musicians are old friends and all that. It's a very different vibe from the typical jazz gig.

>>72964038
But you said "the mood of the music"... and the live show. What is it about the actual MUSIC that makes it inclusive.

And anyway what were the last three "typical jazz gigs" you've seen?

>>72964038
>His live shows include stories on how the musicians are old friends and all that.
That explains a lot. Maybe the album would have been better if he had gotten some decent players in the band rather than guys he went to high school with.

>>72964065
the music is relatively simple as far as jazz goes - there's not a lot of rhythmic variation or harmonic complexity, the rhythm section has more of a r&b/soul/funk feel which makes it approachable for a wider audience, even in the long tracks the music is easy to follow for people not used to listening to post-bop

basically there are not a lot of surprises that make a hiphop/r&b listener think "I don't understand this music"

also the use of a gospel-like choir gives it a more inclusive feel - gospel music has a lot of communal connotations

so basically it got popular and is hated by more hardcore jazz fans because it's relatively simple which makes it approachable, but also predictable