>want to be a musician >everything you write is shit

>open DAW
>fuck around with the settings a bit
>change the theme
>close DAW

>>72955884
>thinking being good ever matters

>>72955922
it kinda does, at least to me

>open daw
>make something
>leave it to rot
>repeat 300 times

>>72955884
This

become a critic

>>72955884
>wants to be a "musician"
>"writes"

maybe you should play music instead

>open daw
>make shit music
>put distortion on everything
It's good now

>>72956262
true facts

>>72955884
>try to program drums
>sounds like shit
>close DAW

>>72956213
it me

>>72955884
>want to be a composer
>willing to settle for indie video game music composer
>have a huge portfolio of music and resume
>don't know where to begin looking
>my anxiety is preventing me from looking for an opening

JUST

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>>72956169
~"I for one believed that if I was good enough and practised enough and was into music enough as a musician and a writer that the best band in the world would show up and beg me to be in their band. But that didn't happen"

>write

You're doing it wrong.
Try improvising.

>>72956727
i don't know theory for shit
i just play

>>72955884
I don't give a shit you talentless turd. You think just writing good material is enough? Once you have good songs it's quite a bitch to draw people in to your shows. Especially if you play any genre that is not simple indie pop/folk/rock/punk or hardcore. Other bands will flake out on you and probably won't want to help because most scenes are cliques who look out for other bands that will draw them people and fit into their style. It's tough.

>>72956820
i don't care about playing to other people. i just want to create music and i can't. i come up with shitty ideas every once in a while but i can never build off of/complete an idea.

i don't give a fuck about playing for others. i gave up on that dream a long time ago. been playing guitar for 11 years now and i've never so much as played in a band, let alone a live show. i just want to make something for myself

>>72956855
>wants to become a composer
>doesn't know jack shit about theory
>can't even do something as simple as read music and relies on tablature
>expects it to just "happen"

Absolutely disgusting, how about you start with baby steps and learn a thing or two before you walk like an adult, faggot.

>>72956897
>composer
no one said that, you dolt
also, >implying you need theory to create music

>>72956922
You're actually retarded.

What is your idea of composer? Someone who strictly writes classical music or something? God you're fucking pathetic. This is what I'm talking about, you don't know jack shit. Have fun sulking in your "waah waah I just want music to appear and sound good" mentality for the rest of your life.

>>72956971
thanks buddy, good luck with the autism

>>72956855
>>72956922
>>72957088
tfw dubs 3x in a row
tybg

>>72957088
I'd rather have autism than willful ignorant, you wannabe "musician".

>>72957132
confirmed for autistic as fuck lmao

>>72957186
t.wannabe shit slinger

>>72957220
Fuck off I agree with you, what do you think of university music courses regarding this?

>>72957297
this is not op btw
t. op

>>72957088
you're the one with autism here man. even though theory isn't necessary to write music, you should at least know it if you actually want to "write"

legit like if you haven't written a song after playing around any instrument for a couple weeks you're probably not creative enough to be a songwriter. forget 11 years lmao

that's perfectly fine btw, creativity is a bitch. 2/3 guys in my last band were not creative and if it was 3/3 we might still be together

>>72957329
when i said write, i meant come up with songs, not sit down and construct a formulaic song w/ theory

>>72957361
i write shit, but i never like it enough to finish anything i come up with. shout out depression

>>72957368
okay but simply knowing the basics of theory makes coming up with songs like not hard at al

About a month ago I got really creative and came up with a concept for an album and I have recordings of ideas for like 10 songs for the album. I keep trying to go back and build off those ideas and turn them into full songs but it's like I used up all my creativity and everything I write out add to it now sucks

So now I'm stuck with a bunch of really good sounding recordings and ideas that aren't full enough to release and they're just going to sit there and never come to fruition.

Feels like shit

>>72956677
>rest of soundgarden btfo
>rest of temple of the dog btfo
>all chris' backing bands btfo
>rest of audioslave btfo

>>72957396
i understand this. i plan to try and improve my theory knowledge at some point in the near future, but it's hard to know where to start, seeing as my theory foundation is spotty at best at this point. there are certain things i remember, but a lot that i don't.

>>72957436

don't worry, if it makes you feel better your ideas might have just been shitty anyway

>>72957537
Those don't count though since he formed all of those bands

>>72957578
if they were good, he would have finished them
t. musician

>>72956971
not him but there are many musicians who wrote stuff by hear

>>72956213
>implying it's not 3000 times

I have upwards of at least 1000 projects in my daw and I have at least 500 that are usable and 90 percent aren't even finished

>>72957537
>btfo
I have wilfully avoided not knowing what this abbreviation means for years now, successfully

>>72957394
what you're saying is you need bitch boys to help you

i was stuck in the same rut from 15-19. eventually i learned i needed other people's help in order to finish my songs. not everyone is a bedroom pop genius who can just sit down and make a whole fucking track
>>72957436
what you're saying is you need bitch boys to help you

i was stuck in the same rut from 15-19. eventually i learned i needed other people's help in order to finish my songs. not everyone is a bedroom pop genius who can just sit down and make a whole fucking track

>>72957640
blown the fuck out idiot

Listen, man. Shit is not easy. It never will be (with extremely rare exceptions).

It's simply a matter of working hard and believing in yourself. If you can't handle that, you'll never EVER be a musician, much less a successful one.

SO, with that said, quit bitching about things and wishing they were better on an image board, and go put in some fucking WORK on music. You'll thank me later. Trust me.

>>72957329
>>72957368
>>72957396
>>72957541
the thing with theory is, you will learn it on your own without trying if you're actually out making some fucking music.

this is how ive been learning theory, never once set out to do so for the sake of just learning it, but always researching whenever something pops up in composing that I wish I knew more about. Which is quite often. also its helpful to retroactively examine parts you write for tracks or the whole track itself when you're done to figure out what techniques you've inadvertently pulled from theory that you haven't learned about yet. looking up stuff like that as you go can be a great way to get over writers block.

Although eventually I did get to a point I wish I knew more about the vast majority of it, but the thing is, if you try to force that mindset before youve been making music you wont know how to apply ANY of it and it will go totally in one ear out the other. i make at least one track per new theory thing i learn, as many as I need to be totally comfortable using what I learned.

so if you want to get good, get off the fucking thread and start making some music.

>>72957394
it took me years before i finished a song. pretty much immediately after that I started finishing 1 in 10 of my projects. finishing tracks is more of a barrier to overcome in the learning process than anything else (though i have depression too so maybe it is that). but anyways, its not worth finishing a song if you cant come up with a good 4 bar loop and you dont know how to transcribe it if youre playing real instruments for some reason and you have no idea how you'd add other bits and pieces to it and arrange it and record it and produce it and all that bullshit. focus on what comes immediately next in you getting good, dont worry about making good finished and polished tracks, worry about making yourself a good songwriter and make every track a practice track.

>>72957968
this anon is giving good advice

don't get hung up on making a track and being like "this one is gonna be fuicking amazing" because it's probably not. dylan had duds.

Random thought, but I've realized that I know that I've gotten good at creating a particular form of art when every comment on 4chan about advice or ideas for creating that type of art makes me cringe into a black hole.

>>72957644
yeah i know but i don't have people to play with. clearly i wouldn't have this problem if i had musicians to bounce this shit off of

>>72958096
then you need to find them

if you live in a big city it should be easy. if you don't live in a big city, you're a fucking musician, what are you doing. move

>>72957735
i can work hard, but major clinical prevention gets in the way of the believing in myself part. it's the same reason why i give up after 5 minutes of playing the guitar a lot of the time -- that voice in my head won't stop reminding me of how lame i am in general

i'm also noodling in between posting so do not worry friendo

>>72957968
thanks for the advice, my man. i tend to get waaay ahead of myself. i'll come up with something and dismiss it because i can't see how i'll be able to make something unique or cool out of it. looking at the big picture instead of building off that idea

>>72958118
i live in a major city

>>72958121
>prevention
depression* lol

>>72958182
idiot!

>>72955884
Thanks for reminding me about Wilfred, anon. Now I have something good to watch tonight.

>>72958121
You think you're the first wannabe artist who's battled depression before? Not to belittle the suffering that depression can cause, but you HAVE to overcome it if you want to achieve your goals.

That all starts with living a more conscious, healthy life. I believe in you, anon. Don't disappoint me by throwing excuses around. No one is gonna do it for you but yourself.

>>72957644
Yeah samesies as other guy. None of my friends are musicians and I don't want to just get some random person to work with

>>72956213
This so much
>come up with chord progression
>make bassline
>come up with nice melodic guitar line
>can't think up lyrics that don't sound like shit
>fml

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You guys take this shit too damn seriously, You just have to have fun with it. Don't overthink it. Let the garbage lyrics flow to your mind and expel them. I mean listen to my shit, I can make beats and samples fairly well but I have a voice that only a mother could love. I've been taking all of the old tracks that I've started and ignored and decided to finish all of them. Then I'll start fresh. It's the only way.

https://soundcloud.com/saturnsgold

>>72959191
keep doing that man <3 good stuff and i like your vocals

>>72959375
Fag

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>>72959494

>>72956897
Jimi Hendrix didn't know theory or how to read music

>>72959575
Well that's cause he was black, that's different.

>>72955884
you should participate in "/mu/ makes an album" threads
I see a lot of people calling it good songwriting exercise

plus it's all crap anyway so no one will judge you
https://thememefriends.bandcamp.com/
https://hangingdong.bandcamp.com/
https://suicideisanoptionrecordsc2016.bandcamp.com/
https://installafriend.bandcamp.com/music

>>72957220
you guys are both autistic lol

>>72959575
he also played seriously for 10 years before he got famous. you're just being lazy.

>fully compete several albums worth of music
>never actually release it
> be the only one to listen to it

Fuck

>>72959922
Quit being a fucking pussy and upload it to the Internet.

I have this weird thing of having some musical talent but rarely actually enjoying music

>>72955884
If you wanna get paid it's unfortunately not a one man show. Pick one: either you're on the pioneer mixing for the singer, or you're a dj which isn't a musician unless you know actual module and analog synths, or be the singer, the guitarist, or drummer in a group, and start making cash from touring at the pubs. Daw musicians, don't make money... (Unless they get a singer for one of their beats and they register it with ascap or BMI,) BUT then it's usually a duo, like alunageorge, or marian hill...there's a lot of routes you can go...but regular old daw music with zero vocals... can be reallllyyyy good, but people will always want some lyrics, and stations will always want it to be legal.

>>72959191
me too:
https://soundcloud.com/user-655852679

>>72959575
so you expect to be jimi hendrix "just cuz"

just keep sucking, you get better with practice

>>72955884
good, you realize that you suck. just stop now and dont go any further down the rabbit hole. its a bad game man, go learn how to do something useful

Is there any software out there best for making music or should I just get a daw?
I would like to think I create rock music but I only know bass with a a bit of guitar. Is there some software out there to help put together all the instruments so I don't have to go out and record myself playing drums/guitar/anything else. Last time I fucked with a daw it was ableton and it appearsd to have pretty much every instrument. I would think that could work but also open to any other suggestions

>>72960388

no, you need to actually buy an instrument and record it. If it were that fucking easy nobody would play real instruments.

>>72960388
there are lots of software plugins for drums. ezdrummer is a good one and you can get it sounding pretty real with alot of tweaking and smart programming

you can probably get a plugin with guitar samples but its pretty unlikely youre gonna get anything that sounds decent

>>72958466
you're welcome my man

>>72958471
thanks. i'm trying to make changes and shit

>>72958910
kill me

>>72959191
i take everything too seriously though

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>I want to make music
>open DAW

Theres your problem.

This is not a digital vs acoustic argument.

Most of you cant compose, most of you dont practice composing, most of you cant play an instrument that makes composing streamlined.

Learn the fucking piano, sit down, write tunes THEN produce them.

Or else you will just make disposable dank soundcloud beats for the rest of your life.

>>72960657
but i make guitar-based music so...

>go to guitar center/music store
>pick up guitar and start playing your own riffs and songs you wrote
>everyone asking me what band that is so they can look it up/download it
>it's just a song I wrote, haha

music for this feel?

>>72960752
So? So what? Get a shitty Casio or something.

>>72960767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

>>72960752
> most of you cant play an instrument that makes composing streamlined.
>most

Great, you play a guitar.

Now practice and learn composition.

>>72960861
any recommended theory books/sites?

>>72960884

if you can't figure out what you need to know through google alone, you will never make it bruh.

Part of being self-made is knowing how to know how to learn.

>>72957585
>he founded audioslave

>want to be a musician
>write lyrics
>no band is looking for a vocal

Ungrateful fucks.

>>72961028

post lyrics/vocaroo

>>72960884
learn the circle of fifths, then work your way from there.

>>72956818
why don't you learn some? learning curves are never comfortable but it's an investment in the end

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>want to be a musician
>everything you right is amazing

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>everyone says you'll eventually find your own "sound" if you keep making music
>have specific taste and a decent idea of what I want to make
>can't make anything even vaguely like it and everything always ends up sounding completely different from what you intended
>going on 4-5 years and every single track in your slow unreleased output is completely different yet still all sound like shit
>tfw the only consistency in your entire music output is that they all inexplicably sound like garbage

The reason why your songs are shit is because life is a simulation, you are an NPC and the admin is saving CPU cycles on the creative processing in your brain. You probably dont even have a main character name like trent reznor.

>>72960949
i'm just asking for suggestions, i'm clearly capable of using google but it doesn't hurt to ask others for advice
stop being a prick

>>72961158
see:
>>72960884

>>72961270
Learn theory and train your ears. It'll let you pinpoint the notes floating around in your head.

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Honest Shit /mu/tants are my lyrics shit?
Artist: Edible Moon (me)
Album: Edible Moon
Song Title: Analgesia

Lyrics: Will you help me mend?
Relocated to the back of my mind
Where have you been?
Detrimental devotions are all I find

I linger in the rain
I welcome the pain
Raindrops embrace my remains
The darkness in my life stays the same

Will this ever end?
My facade masks my sorrow
Where have you been?
Will I see you tomorrow

I linger in the rain
I welcome the pain
But the rain does not feel
The rain does not feel

>>72961794
thanks for killing the thread

succ

>>72961028
Where do you live?

good music is like memes

music theory is like astroturfing or think tanks trying to study how to force a meme

>>72959575
I can't tell if your memeing because that's a commonly said phrase by morons, but Jimi knew at least basic theory. Just didn't know the name for it. He knew what intervals make what sounds and could create music from that. That's basic theory. He learned that by constantly playing for like a decade.

>>72957368
>when i said write, i meant come up with songs, not sit down and construct a formulaic song w/ theory
Please leave. No more of this "music theory limits my creativity" glorified shitposts.

>>72962022
can we just stop with this shit please

its every time with this shit, we already know

>made some really good songs with my friends
>Think I'm Brian wilson (I'm not)
>....
>112 over dubs later
>It sounds like shit

Fucking IDIOT

>>72961986
Congrats on writing the worst thing I've ever read in my entire life. Honestly impressive.

>>72961794
This is going on r/4chan lmao

>>72959575
You're so fucking stupid, how about you actually pick up a biography of Hendrix and find out that what you just said is horseshit.

>>72962041
people who are academic and bookish about music make the worst shit ever

>>72962103
I'm not saying music theory is bad btw, I'm saying the theory nerd types make bad music

>>72956213
>>72955909
you should learn to play piano or guitar and write with chords
>>72956337
learn to play the drums m8 fuck computers
>>72956561
JUST fucking look for an opening you have nothing to lose

>>72962103

people who don't know shit about theory could never write an entire song. Well they could but it would just be a mess of garbage.

music geniuses know how to use music theory as a tool to supplement their creativity.

>>72962133
Not even remotely true in the slightest.

>>72962142
The problem is when your artist persona is theory guy and your music sounds like theory guy

>>72956252
your comment so underrated....

>>72961794
>Edible Moon

cool enough

The lyrics...

>Will you help me mend?

Eh, off to a bad start here, it's not necessarily a bad lyric out of context like this, but starting out with this is going to mean the next lines are going to have to be interesting

>Relocated

Not a bad line, cool

>Where have you been?
Hmmm, seeing a story start to form here

>detrimental devotions

Didn't like this line, the alliteration felt weird and out of place, devotions by itself probably would have sufficed

>I linger in the rain
Okay
>I welcome the pain
Alright
>raindrops embrace my remains
sort of emo sounding at this point

>The darkness in my life stays the same
Very emo sounding at this point. Very on the nose. Now, so far, this could feasibly work as a pop song, but if you're trying to be poetic you need to work at it. "The darkness in my life stays the same" is a really boring line. Ever heard your English teacher talk about "show, not tell" when describing things? That's what you should do

Describe the darkness, how does it sound? How does it look? How does it feel? Is it a person? An animal? An object? Is it nothing? What is the nothing like? Do you understand what I'm getting at? What does the darkness DO to you?

>Will this ever end?
Pretty typical line, whatever
>My facade masks my sorrow
Real basic stuff, though I appreciated the connection between facade and mask
>Where have you been?
>Will I see you tomorrow?
Pretty predictable stuff, which makes me think it functions better as a pop song

>I welcome the pain
>but the rain does not feel

So how can you welcome pain? Analgesia is the inability to feel it. Your lyrics aren't congruent with your title, which can work, but it looks like you messed up to me.

There is something there, but you need to work on your craft. Reading poetry can help greatly. Great lyrics have a good rhythm/poetic feel to them, and yours are lacking in that regard. It's not shit, but it needs work. "Linger in the rain" for example is cool

>>72962142
This, you don't have to be proficient or professional in theory, but just knowing some will help significantly. It's like giving an artist brushes to paint with. If you don't at least self learn some, you will never know what notes go together, what key you're in. It'll be one huge mess of modulation that will never quite sound right.

>>72962215
That's simply not true. People develop an intuition for what sounds right from listening to music. If you don't know what notes go together by intuition you will never make good original music, theory or not.

>>72962258
this desu
theory helps but if you don't have the feel for the sound/feel you're trying to create, good luck

>>72962103
>bookish about music
This physically hurts. Oh, and about that:
https://www.wired.com/2011/12/hit-potential-equation/
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a-machine-successfully-predicted-the-hit-dance-songs-of-2015

>>72962204
I want to eat your ass for breaking this down
Thanks, I will work hard on improving
Everytime i re-read it it kept sounding like shit and now I know why. I first need context and a story.
I don't plan to launch a musical career until a couple of years, I just got into writing
And I'm 100% I can improve now
Screencapped for future reference
Thanks a bunch anon <3

>>72962258
This is true, but unless you have perfect pitch, your ability will be cut short

how do i not succ at music

Does anyone have videos of actual successful artists explaining their creative process?

I nagged a few artists on forums and after gigs and they basically all said there is no paint by numbers method beyond knowing sufficient theory for your needs and knowing your tools and that it's literally about picking what you like to hear

>>72962471
Do you expect someone to teach you creativity?

>>72961794
CRAAAWLING IN MY SKIIINNN

>>72962505
Well there was this really good john cleese video where he explains how coming out with ideas no matter how embarrassing is how to come up with the best ones. That was an eye opener to me because I assumed you should just wait for divine inspiration.

>>72962544
I love Pythons and that's obviously good advice.
>I assumed you should just wait for divine inspiration
I'm not sure if you're implying this, but either way, using the word divine gets you further away from the point you're trying to make. And that's because such beings don't exist. You should always record your ideas or write them as soon as they come to you. Creativity can't be taught.

>>72962544
And by the way, this may be one of the few worthwile replies in this embarassing thread.