/dark/ General: Day After World Goth Day Edition

>>72941169
Excuse me, I meant darkstep not darkcore.

no one answered me in the last thread:
is bones /dark/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4oApBlw7Gc

>>72941558
Yes, Bones is witchhouse.

Bump.

What does /dark/ think about Zola Jesus?

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>>72943739
also here's another rec. Bain Wolfkind. He's done stuff as a member of Der Blutharsch as well. Very fucking noir, with an eastern european gangster feel at times. New album came out this year (or late last year, can't remember) and it's p. good


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWVXArLOgTE

Is Ghost /dark/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Ao4t_fe0I
>inb4 metal

>>72943913
Gost is, but idk about Ghost past their first album which has a lot of fun hits but i don't think it's really /dark/ in the way that bands like The Devil's Blood and Year of the Goat are.

>>72941558
>>72942973
witchhouse is not dark, so no

also kys

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What happened to the last /dark/ thread?

>>72943913
Fucking faggot no, metal bands aren't /dark/.

>>72944257
Witchhouse is /dark/ just not Goth. I peg it under Post-Industrial with Gothic influence.

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>>72944468
>ghost
>metal
no u

also /dark/ was originally founded to include black metal as well, u goof.

>>72944286
It 404d.

>>72944480
*was* these /dark/ threads instead focus on dark music culture genres, ghost belongs with metal culture.

>>72943739
Too pastel/hipster goth for my liking.

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>>72944497
i agree with that when it comes to ghost but there's metal that falls under the /dark/ umbrella. a lot of atmoblack, shit like urfaust for example. maybe even some doom.

speaking of,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_XaFAW51QU

How do I into gothic rock?
Im trying to find good shit to sleep to or chill to. Currently my two favorite bands are Sleep and Sunn O))), but I desire something a little more structured???? Idk.
I really like Bela Lugosi's Dead, but idk where to go from there.

>>72944698
Start with essential shit like the three albums by The Curr after their first one, listen to "Closer" by Joy Division, try "JuJu" by Siouxsie and the Banshees, then "Talk About The Weather" by Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, then after you've heard all the Post-Punk oriented Goth, go to second wave gothic rock with Sisters of Mercy, Fields of the Nephilim, and Danse Society.

>>72944731
*The Cure

>>72944698
Not /dark/, or at least, I don't think so, but check out Earth.

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>>72944698
glad you asked

>>72944823
DCD's first album should be on this, i think.

>>72943913
Technically I would say no, but I'm okay with it.

Some Great Reward is underrated

>>72944872
I like Blasphemous Rumors.

Currently relistening Blitzkid's discography thanks to the one Anon a few threads ago who wanted me to explain horrorpunk to him. Have to say they are much more "horror punk" than Misfits and have done more to develop the post-2000s sound of the genre. They mix the sounds of Danzig + Graves era Misfits extremely well.

>>72941169
Neofolk is not really a precursor of those styles, it's a prominent form of post-industrial...
Kudos for finally including it though.

>>72943913
>>72944257
>>72944477
I think we can include witchhouse and anything that is obviously trying to be /dark/.

>>72944480
This. All this purism is completely out of place. Metal and goth culture are inseparable in real life and there is a lot of crossover. Ghost can be considered /dark/ simply for their un-metal pop appeal and aesthetic. Although I don't think they should be posted either way since they fucking suck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuxPSNOLkjg

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>>72944993
>Metal and goth culture are inseparable in real life

>>72944993
My written diction was interpreted wrong, I didn't mean to say it was a precursor but a lot of people don't know Neofolk is Post-Industrial.

>>72944993
>metal and goth are inseparable in real life
Kys, seriously, that's almost as bad as saying emo and goth are the same IRL.

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>>72944993
>metal and goth culture are inseperable in real life

>>72944698
For sleepy music you should try bands from the "wave" categories in the OP. Maybe try Autumn's Grey Solace and go from there. I'm really against treating music as a checklist.

Just ignore this: >>72944823

Does Tool count as /dark/?

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>>72945050
>>72945033
have you ever gone to a metal or a goth show i mean come on. especially black metal.

related, there's a project called Liar In Wait that has members from a few metal bands that draws heavy inspiration from Soror Dolorosoa and Asylum Party. Material's not as polished as it should be, but the upcoming full length is supposed to be a lot more well thought out, at least according to what I heard from the principal songwriter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH_LHSHCvps

Another rec, too. Saw these guys play with Chelsea Wolfe last time she toured the west coast USA and they killed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsju5wQQml4

>>72945096
Are you kidding? That chart is literally the foundation of the subculture.

>>72945033
>>72945050
>>72945077
Do you know any actual goths in real life? They are not that uncommon here. Go figure, we still host the biggest Goth festivals worldwide. Crossover with metal, especially folk/pagan/black metal is a thing, hence the constant presence of such bands at gothic festivals. I'm not talking about lone internet goths like you guys here, this is about people who actually partake in goth culture, which is inseparable from metal culture.

>>72945101
Nah. APC is closer but still no cigar. Kinda have to be underground otherwise why make such a broad thread.

>>72945128
>here
I mean Germany.

>>72945110
Metalheads usually don't associate with goths. Black metal shares some aesthetic qualities, but the culture is totally separate from anything goth.

>>72945111
Doesn't mean everyone who gets into a band in one of the genres we talk about here has to listen to every single album on it just to say they did. If you already have an idea as to what style you like then you don't need that vague chart.

>>72944993
me too senpai. some of their really early shit sounds way too much like misfits though. their first demo is pretty much green day + misfits which isn't too bad.

>>72945128
Yes I do fag, crossover doesn't mean they go in tandem, it means a bunch of people with common interests from both sides congregate but neither are tied. Metal even existed before Goth, there's no fucking way they go together because death/doom metal enthusiasts wear makeup.

>>72945139
Like I said, that's not been my experience at all. Anywhere I've been with any sort of /dark/ and/or metal scene has a ton of crossover at events and shows and people I've met have always had mutual friends in both scenes. Maybe that hasn't been your experience, but like it or not, extreme metal and goth is intertwined in many ways.

>>72945167
It really isn't, as is the old goth addage:
"Just because it's played at a Goth club, doesn't make it Goth."

>>72945128
...and industrial metal of course. Lots of crossover.

>>72945153
what >>72945167 said. Obviously crossover exists or pagan and industrial metal bands wouldn't play at goth festivals and gothic metal wouldn't exist. You'll find plenty of people belonging to both cultures without perceiving them as separate. There exists a culture in-between that can be extended either way. Out of curiosity, where do you live?

>>72945191
USA in a place with a thriving Goth scene.

>>72945191
They play those festivals because it brings in money, not because of an inherent connection. The closest Goth and metal get is Christian Death citing Black Sabbath as an influence.

>>72945110
C'mon anon. You should've worded it better.

>>72945128
There is L I T E R A L L Y a goth club in my city.
The ONLY cross over are people into both music, and shitty metal bands that don't know what they are yet.

>the biggest Goth festivals worldwide
If you're talking about Merra Luna, then no shit you see metal bands there. They'll fucking let any alternative music band play at these fucking festivals. Meraluna was fucking headlining KORN this year. FUCKING KORN. They had no reason to be there. Fucking Dark Funeral was playing Wave Gotik Treffen last year. I love Dark Funeral, but what were they doing there.

Goth is rock. Metal is a separate thing. The only reason the goth subculture has been playing host to stuff like EBM, Aggrotech, Industrial, and metal genres is because there are people that like both and want to hear/experience them at the same place.

>>72945213
Okay, let's chalk it up to regional differences. Here in Germany and most of Europe the two are joined.

>>72945239
Can't let you do that, just because people over there choose to associate doesn't establish subcultural connections.

>>72945235
Here, this will be shorter and probably be easier to understand.

It's like this thread. There is a reason it is /dark/ and not /goth/. Because people want to listen to/discuss more than just goth. Other genres that they like that are dark alternative music.

Not because they are all heavily intertwined.

>>72945251
Let me rephrase:
Doesn't establish written in stone connections. Goth is gloomy rock from the 70s, metal is intense guitar music from the 60s. One came from Blues as a concert culture, the other from Punk as an English club culture. They are fundamentally different.

>>72945258
Metal is not dark alternative though, it's its own seperate spectrum and scene. The /dark/-est metal gets is Industrial metal, but it still remains another world of music entirely.

>>72945191
As a death/black metal enthusiast in the US, I haven't noticed any overlap between the subcultures. Death metal surely has nothing at all to do with goth generally.

>>72945304
that's my point

are they goth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmwDaFdVd8U

>>72945310
no, that's psychobilly

>>72945310
GTFO

>>72945251
>choose to associate
>doesn't establish subcultural connections
What do you think a subculture is? It's not some abstract concept, it's a group of people. I don't know how else to tell you this but metal and goth subculture are heavily intertwined, there is constant exchange between the two, thesocial circles are joined. This necessarily reflects in the musical realm with musicians from both more or less clearly defined genres incorporating elements of the other.

>>72945273
I am not saying they are the same but this is not the 60s and 70s. Amalgamations of these and other genres exist, even if the result are shit like Rob Zombie and The 69 Eyes.

>>72945308
True, I'm not saying all metal is part of goth culture obviously.

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>>72945258
this. my phrasing is irrelevant to the thread at hand. most of what i listen to is /dark/. a lot of what else i listen to is metal. and a lot of it has feet in both sides. as such i'll post recs and discuss what fits the theme of the thread in terms of aesthetic and attitude. Anyone who doesn't like it, eat it. Obviously we're not going to discuss fucking Autopsy in these threads, I mean get real, but sure as shit bands like Spektr or Pinkish Black are going to get mentioned eventually.

that being said, the following is a collaboration between the vocalist of Draconian and a member of several metal and post-rock bands including Crippled Black Phoenix. Elements of dream pop and dark ambient. One of my favourite EPs of the past few years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWOMVC-Hjm8

>>72945325
thanks
>>72945330
goth the fuck out

>>72945340
>it's a group of people

Yeah, a group of people that listen to goth rock, post-punk, deathock, darkwave. The rest is bonus.

>The 69 Eyes
We don't say that name around these here parts.

>>72945340
Again, the crossover doesn't make them intertwined, there are set boundaries for these fundamentally different people and are both distinguised.

>>72945426
No, that is simply incorrect. You don't know how subcultures work.

What the fuck do you mean by intertwined?

I think this is the problem here.

>>72945340
>there is constant exchange between the two, thesocial circles are joined.
Most metal guys who are an active part of the subculture and not just tourists wouldn't be caught dead associating with anything labeled goth.

>>72945436
Motherfucker, that's exactly how subcultures work. Goth belongs to dark culture and exists as an offshoot of Punk, metal came from blue rock and hard rock and has established itself as its own cultural spectrum entirely. Just because some Black Sabbath fans and Sisters of Mercy fans happen to be at the same festival doesn't make them "intertwined."

>>72945486
That sounds more like you're talking about music genres. You should read up on subculture theory.

>>72945453
Cultural markers, how do they work?

I'm tired of this argument, I'll go listen to some music now.

>>72945517
kek

>>72945517
The culture is defined by the genre and exists as a physical representation of enthusiasts for the style of music. That being said, there will always be boundaries dividing Goths and Metalheads.

Where are all the industrialists anyway? It's mostly been goths and that one moron who thinks goth and metal cultures are inherently linked.
>btw gothfag here just asking not big into Industrial and Post-Industrial

>>72945635
Good question desu.

Seems like it's harder to find Rivetheads than goths on 4chan.

Gonna go see Front242 play with Laether Strip in September, then KMFDM with ohGr in October

>>72945665
You have fun anon, hope it goes well.

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>>72945665
>Gonna go see Front242 play with Laether Strip in September, then KMFDM with ohGr in October

Post goat electronic industrial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetWu1ayous

>>72946659
mah nigga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvoENpR9cCQ

>>72943739
Her set at Moogfest was pretty good, she has great music taste too.

>>72946659
>>72946800
I already know these 2 albums well. is there something to complete the trilogy?

>>72945273
>They are fundamentally different.
Deathrock is American and a lot of the bands were basically punk bands playing stuff that was heavier and more distorted than the English goth bands and didn't sound that distant from metal. It's not all cut and dry.

>>72945635
>>72945665
I frequent these threads and I listen to industrial more than goth.

>>72947147
Distortion=/=metal.

>>72947253
Why do you hate metal?

>>72947253
>Distortion=/=metal.
This is often said.

>>72947253
>>72947305
Is there metal without distortion?

>>72946909
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ww9Jv9ugXc
This way not only do you have three great albums, you also have the same three guys involved on each in some way.

>>72947401
Fuck, now I'm down a nostalgia hole listening to Skinny Puppy again.

>>72947288
I don't, but to say metal and goth culture are heavily connected because of some crossover is absurd.

>>72947680
They're much more connected now than they used to be 10-20 years ago.

Switchblade Symphony is old.

Dissolve

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I crave floofy goth gals

what are some bands with maximum floof?

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>>72947749

>floofy

Wut

I got you on goth girls, desu.

Lacuna coil
The birthday massacre
Crystal castles

>>72947707
I'd argue the opposite given metal and its culture has gone more experimental and goth and culture has gone full blown 80s nostalgia.

>>72947765
floof is important

If you're in a chill mood, go to the goth club.

If you're feeling aggressive, go to the metal club.

You won't look out of place in either one, but they are separate.

Goth club is the femme scene and metal is masculine.

>>72944872
I totally agree, anon. Lie to Me, Blasphemous Rumors and Stories of Old are among Depeche Mode's best

>>72947849
More like androgynous for goth but yeah.

>>72947765
probably talking about the back-combed hair

>>72947869

Yes okay, androgynous for goth.

>>72947849
>metal club
shit do those even exist? I haven't even heard of a club holing a one-off "metal night"

>>72947914

No, not really. I was just drawing examples.

Maybe the right tattoo parlor is an unofficial metal club.

>>72947797
>metal and its culture has gone more experimental
yeah but we're just starting to grow out of that phase. When the whole avant-garde experimental boundary-pushing thing gets stale, all that remains is metal-thrashin' mad oldschool 1st-wave blackened pizzadeath motörspeed crust-n-roll turboriffs with phlegm-heavy throat-rasping ÖOGH vocals.
And also glam and power metal I guess.

Goths grew out of experimentalism in the late 2000s when they saw that it had mostly resulted in mallgoth nonsense.

So at the end of the day both scenes end up connecting a lot through their roots.

>>72947914
there are some in large metropolitan areas.

We're all familiar with the "goth" aesthetic, and we're less familiar with the music.

Both are important to keep the culture and trend alive.

>>72947998
true

>>72948058
cause it's pretty cool

it's got a pretty cool image and pretty good basslines

>>72948087
Ok, I rest my case. Thank you.

>>72948058

>real music

>>72948058
Save this for the emo threads bud, /dark/ is clearly incomprehensible to be.

>>72948721
*you

>>72948058
Come on, you're generalizing a lot of music here. /dark/ can incorporate many musical styles like industrial, metal, horrorpunk, neofolk etc and all of those have different substyles and many artists putting out music of differing quality. I doubt anyone here listens to all kinds of /dark/ music and if he does he probably listens to all kinds of music.

Just be happy that goth is making a come back. Emo couldn't cut it.

White people need a scene where the aesthetic is theirs.

As for the music, generally I see approval for goth music but then you get that one hipster who listens to rap that likes to harp on anything non-rap pretty much.

>>72948058
>/dark/
>shit
Bet you feel pretty stupid right about now.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0YdMHt0xNEM

>>72948882
The hipster goths can go fuck themselves though.

>>72948882
it's not so much that people approve of goth music, it's more that they're condescendingly okay with people liking it

>>72949079
you mean the tumblrgoths who listen to Bones and Witch House?

>>72949095
Or the ones that make shitty post-punk that sounds exactly like an album from The Cure or any other entry level goth band.

>>72948882
>White people need a scene where the aesthetic is theirs.
why did goth get so big in mexico, japan, and peru then?

>>72948882
Fuck off faggot, goth is somethin agreeable to any group given darkness is indifferent to race.

>>72949121
>Or the ones that make shitty post-punk that sounds exactly like an album from The Cure or any other entry level goth band.
Yeah this.

>>72949141
>>72949182

I just said the aesthetic was theirs, not that other races couldn't emulate it.

People who make the music are whites.

Posting favorites/some locals. Lotta deathrock/hardcore/dark punk

>Savage Blind God
https://youtu.be/LW3wsYHstcM

>Fex Urbis
https://youtu.be/WDl6mbVC6xE

>Exit Order
https://youtu.be/FI6EivGjZ08

>Way Out
https://youtu.be/Y8xU9uUVKFA

>Dame
https://youtu.be/9y7m2vpDkH8

>Slimy Member
https://youtu.be/YvA21QXMJM8

>Public Service
https://youtu.be/hPZXFx9PsMk

>Hairspray Queen
https://youtu.be/xfhHKZlaE-U

>>72949207
>Whites make the music
>implying only whites make the music
>being this retarded

>>72949245

I didn't say that. You're picking a fight where there isn't one. Congrats on taking the bait.

>>72949184
That crap annoys me where they jerk it to the 80s to seem cool and fit in but do nothing original with the sound except recycle shit that was done 30 years ago.

>>72949265
>doesn't know what implying means
Retarded indeed.

>>72949305

I didn't imply that either. You're triggered and picking a fight.

Anyone with a brain can see the goth aesthetic and sound is uniquely white.

Prove me wrong.

>>72949217
Thread needs more posts like this, less autistic bitchfights

>>72949184
>>72949121
>>72949277
originality is overrated, and jerking it to 80s goth rock is quite literally the best thing you can do as a goth. When we try to innovate, ugly things happen.

I agree with The Cure being a pretty boring band to imitate, though.

>>72949337
You don't have to intentionally imply something to do it anon, saying the music is made by whites suggests only whites make it, which is false.

>>72949360
Back to tumblr

Just proving my theory that some people out there hate anything original being accredited to white people, especially music.

Real white people dont even bring it up because they're aware of it on a deeper level.

It's only non-whites that bring it up and bicker.

>>72949337
>prove me wrong
the Japanese goth rock scene and its worship of medieval and Taisho-era Japan are perfectly valid. In fact, stuff like big fluffy hair and weird slant-eyed makeup tend to work better with Japanese folklore visuals than with European ones.

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>goth kids thinking they're 2kool4metal

>>72949388

I covered that already, I said other races can emulate the goth style but I give credit for the original trend to whites.

>>72949400
But tumblrites really like innovation and ugly goth rap nonsense.

>>72949421
>not understanding subcultural differences
This always was a terrible board.

>>72949420

But Japanese vocals won't ever come close to the soft and haunting style of white goth music.

They can make good shoegaze but not the kind of goth music we're talking about.

>>72949448
>This always was a terrible board.
Agreed

>>72949410
non-whites tend to be very neutral about the goth subculture. A few are enthusiastic about it, most just dismiss it as silly, but none of them hate it.

Those who hate the goth subculture are overwhelmingly white, either because they think it's creepy or because they think it's gay. Non-whites don't get offended by it.

>>72949435
Not really, they like aping old sounds and erroneously claiming spooky edm is goth.

>>72949388
Mostly whites then. Can we at least agree that Neofolk is made by whites?

>>72949465
You mean the "goth crooner" vocals?
Yeah it's true that I've rarely heard it in Japanese goth music (unless you count Dir en Grey). However that's not a requirement, they can easily do the decadent gay Rozz Williams vocals and that works just as well.

>>72949478
But that's a far cry from post-punk and goth rock revivalism.

>>72949448
>not understanding subculture theory
Not really a 4chan-exclusive problem but hey, you're probably studying real science like economics instead.

>>72949420
Well a lot of goth comes from vampire fiction. Before Kei took over goth that was what multiple Japanese goth bands based their lyricism on. The aesthetic was very European too, specifically getting inspiration from early baroque up to the late 1800s when Dracula was written. A lot of crosses and that sort of shit.

>>72949486
Idk anon, Hispanics are en masse socially right wing so I'm certain there's an obscure Hispanic Neofolk artist somewhere.

>>72949495

I'll have to get back to you. Dir en gay just sounds like hair metal to me.

Yes the crooner vocals. To me, that sound is made by and only white peoples.

>>72949550
Dir en Grey went through a lot of phases, their recent output includes soft haunting vocals.

But yeah I guess the goth crooner vocals are specifically a white thing. But it's just a tiny part of goth stuff.

>>72949533
I've always found that 80s goth visuals were more inspired by expressionism than by dark romanticism, to be honest.

>>72949511
Aping old sounds is in reference to said revivalism.

>>72949550
Not even sure what that means. I mean, do you even have any examples of what jap goth bands you've listened to?

>>72949596
>I've always found that 80s goth visuals were more inspired by expressionism than by dark romanticism, to be honest.
I was talking about the jap goth bands. If you translate their lyrics and look at them, those are the themes they got attached to, because they couldn't understand the English themes. You see a lot of that in Mexico too.

>>72949613
yeah but here's the thing: either they completely suck at revivalism, or they aren't actually trying to revive post-punk and goth rock. Cause most of what I've seen get praised by tumblrgoths are shitty EDM and soundcloud rap with an edgy aesthetic and lots of reverb. And occasionally shit like Vampire Weekend.

Either way it doesn't change the fact that 80s worship is the best approach.

>>72949666
Nice trips, but the issue is that the concept of revivalism is doomed because you end up making something different.

>>72949655

Jap goth isn't goth goth. The language is different for one.

And no I don't, because it doesn't exist. Do you see any "foreign" goth music being posted here? You don't, and there's a reason for it.

"Dark" lyrics doesn't make it goth.

Jap goth is just emulating the real thing.

They make good shoegaze though.

>>72949666
>80s revivalism is the best approach
That's your opinion man, at best it serves as a good transitionary phase before the next innovation.

>>72949698
>Do you see any "foreign" goth music being posted here?
Yeah two threads ago.

>>72949698
>implying goth isn't sung in other languages
Huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

>>72949733
Or was it three? One of these went down real fast because of Chris Cornell shitposting.

>>72949747
>>72949733

Senzafine by Lacuna coil is sung in Italian. But it's more influenced by metal music.

You can sing dark lyrics in other languages with the right sound, but it's just a knock off.

>>72949776
>it's more influenced by metal music
THEN IT CAN NOT BE GOTH
NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST
LEAVE /DARK/ FOREVER
YOU STINKING METALHÆD BRUTE

So I'll say it again- goth music and culture is uniquely white but other races can try emulating it and adapting it to fit their own.

>>72949776
>not knowing about She Passed Away or Spanish goth bands
You have very arbitrary standards.

>>72949801

You didn't even listen to it before you tumblrd out.

Italian is a Latin/white language.

>>72949805
So is banana bread. Try to argue against me in this two dozen poster niche music general thread. Protip: you can't.

>>72949805
Ok Richard Spencer.

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Say something nice about this album

>>72949849
Great for winter time.

>>72949834
>>72949837

I'm not white. I forewarned this a few posts ago.

She passed away has a good, clean sound like 80's electro pop. Vocals are just grunts.

How is black metal not /dark/?

>>72949719
That's your opinion and it's wrong. Innovation is only worthwhile if it actually sounds at least as good as what came before. Most of the time it doesn't hold up and its only appeal comes from novelty value, which is short-lived.

And it just so happens to be that 80s goth rock still sounds good, but that since its repertoire isn't unlimited, the best we can legitimately hope from the scene is to keep indefinitely producing more 80s goth rock.

>>72949689
the formula they're trying to follow is loose enough to last a few more decades (if not centuries) before it's completely exhausted. It's less doomed than innovationism, which is built upon the misconception that things can get stale for everyone forever. Which is proven wrong by the existence of revivalism.

>>72949801
Metal=/=Goth, stay triggered fag.

>>72949849
Kickass album and band. The Burning Circle Then Dust is probably my favorite of theirs though.

>>72949870
They already have their own thread with the metal pals. I don't understand why we can't all get along t b h

>>72949876
Except opinions can't be wrong, genius.

>>72949870
it's inspired by Kate Bush. That's why.

>>72949916
I'd like to cum in Kate's Bush.

>>72949899
Burning Circle has too much filler imo

Shouldn't have been a double album

>>72949916
Goth is inspired by Kate Bush you mean.

>>72949902
Yeah they can. An opinion is a belief, which can be formalized as a statement, which either matches the facts, or doesn't. Even if it's not effectively falsifiable, it's still something you think is the case. If it's not the case, then it's wrong.

>>72949934
That's fair.

Why are they so f***ing awesome?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok3vUDQmPdY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8HV-xt19JQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-gEsa4rT2o

>>72949937
No, I mean Black Metal. Varg and Quorthon said so.

>>72949951
I really love this track though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbCg4JeBxbo

>>72949949
You're trying way too hard to assert your ideas as objective truth and it's not working. If I think revivalism isn't the way to go then I'm neither right nor wrong given music is subjective to begin with. The only way I could have a wrong opinion is if I have a factually incoreect belief that I assert as an opinion, which I have not.

Euro synth pop sound + masculine or femme vocals = goth

Masculine vocals + weird interpretative instrumentals = not goth, but metal

Femme vocals + metal instrumentals = "goth" ( like the birthday massacre)

Y/N?

>>72950073
No.

Goes to show that /mu/ doesn't really know what goth 'is' or what defines it.

>>72950073
who cares.

>>72950073
Is Tom Waits metal?

>>72950090

Not /mu/, just me. I don't speak for anyone else.

>>72950073
>>72950090
Remember when you guys posted in the /goth/ thread? I don't, because it never happened.

>>72950127

I'm leaving now. I'm more into Avril Lavigne anyway.

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>>72949954
Lost Boys is guilty pleasure listening but really they're not that great.

Anybody dig Mary Goes Round? Contemporaries of Asylum Party and Little Nemo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltsPCtI9eMY

>>72950140
See you later, boy.

>>72950036
>music is subjective
fuck no, taste is subjective, music is very much an object that can be accurately described. Taste isn't whether something is good or not, it's whether you like something or not.

You're confusing a lot of shit right now, you're confusing taste, opinions, and music quality.

And since it's quite clear that your belief is factually incorrect, your opinion is wrong.

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>>72950073
So that means SCOOTER is goth?

>>72950166
only their less interpretative tracks
those are metal

>>72950134
Again with the tryhard shit. Do you even know where my opinion is founded? It's founded on "I think 80s circlejerking is dull." That can't be factually incorrect, because it's my preference. Additionally music is subjective because it's art, and art is subjective. I don't know why you're so buttmad someone doesn't like what you do, but there is no right or wrong in this discussion.

>>72950142
No but I dig that song you posted. It does sound a lot like Asylum Party in particular.

>>72950166
Not really, but they did use a neofolk sample at one point, and Celebrate the Nun was your standard moody New Wave, kinda like early Ministry.

>>72950221
Really? What sample?

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>>72950166

This is the only Scooter I know

>>72950073
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real.

>>72950204
No. Your preference is "80s circlejerking FEELS dull to me", which is an illusion.
"I think 80s circlejerking is dull" is your opinion, and it's counter-factual.

I'm not being tryhard, just using words the correct way instead of arbitrarily assigning meaning to them.

For example
>art is subjective.
is an arbitrary qualification. There are tons of ways to objectively determine what art is and isn't.

And I'm not being buttmad, just assertive and peremptory. It results in a dry writing style but I assure you I'm certainly not angrier than you are.

Simply put, there's a right in this discussion (my opinion) and a wrong (your opinion), and all your attempts to prove otherwise rely on grossly incorrect semantics.

What is some good goth metal?

>>72950304
I take it you weren't popular in debate circles in schools.

>>72950335
What kind of shithole country has "debate circles" in its schools?

>>72950373
Well it was good talking anon but this conversation is going nowhere.

>>72950407
Probably should've figured that out earlier.

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>>72950325

KoRn

>>72950325
Chingy

>>72950325
Type O Negative.

>ywn be a teenager in mid-80s UK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5jmB4xgNWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS33yAqMeCc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQhTvPpATiU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SXeJ9GfUJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPc7b5P4oqI

why live

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>tfw the only goth rock band from near where i live now relocated to oakland and now pretends like they've been from oakland this entire time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iotHO7fHEhA

>>72952353
where you from?

>>72950325

Hawthorne Heights

>>72952380
Currently half an hour north of santa barbara. moved back here about a month ago.

>>72952448
California is the home of goth in the US though, the LA scene is nice, but there's other bands on the West coast either in Sacramento or Washington.

On the east coast everything is around Mass/CT/RI. New England is nice and creepy.

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Why were the Yugoslavs so good at making /dark/ music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07PpcCt90TY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usUPr_c1pGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMynLsfJ63I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOh4h5b1CTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJsaWXt9GqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVUvuiwBl_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF7pp_lLlG0

Up and comers www.youtube.com/watch?v=78OQC47bNiw

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>>72952853
communism makes people depressed i guess

>>72952893
why are you so upset that you have to post this to so many threads on /mu/, did these guys gangbang your mom or something

>>72952910
relevant to my interests

>>72952853
because yugoslavia became a massive shithole very quickly once tito died and things were only gonna get worse in the 90s
makes sense that the countercultural music of the time would be pretty grim as a result

Is this their best cover?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e21TwVAPCbA

Yes. Yes, it is.

>>72952853
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMynLsfJ63I
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOh4h5b1CTw
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVUvuiwBl_8
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF7pp_lLlG0

All this shit sounds like no wave. How the fuck did records by Teenage Jesus and DNA find their way into Yugoslavia?

>>72953458
aw fuck i forgot all about these guys. so good.

>>72952699
>New England is nice and creepy.
Well it's nice and sunny right now. Went for a few walks today.

>>72953528
>How the fuck did records by Teenage Jesus and DNA find their way into Yugoslavia?

yugoslavia was a fairly modern and liberal country as far as communist states go, and getting your hands on underground music wasn't all that difficult as long as you knew where to look
i know a serbian guy whose dad collected records and tapes by gg allin and industrial bands like whitehouse and nurse with wound all the way back in the 80s

>>72953695
I still remember the scene from that shitty Owen Wilson movie when he meets the kid who's wearing an Ice Cube shirt.

I've listened to Joy Division, The Smiths, Gang of Four, Mission of Burma, Wipers,
What are other post-punk essentials?

>>72954039
Echo and the Bunnymen

>>72954039
Siouxsie & The Banshees - Juju (but basically everything this band ever did, especially during the 80s)
Killing Joke - Night Time
Public Image Ltd. - The Flowers Of Romance
The Fall - Perverted By Language (but again, you can actually listen to pretty much everything they ever did)
The Sisters Of Mercy - Some Girls Wander By Mistake

VEILED BEHIND SCREENS

>>72954159
fuk u

ALL EYES ON MEEEEEEEEEE
ALL EYES ON YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ2XcEhpfts

>>72953695
Sounds like a pretty based dad to have.

Collapsing societies like 80s/90s Yugoslavia and 90s Russia always fascinated me.
It's pretty bizarre to think that you had full-blown death camps in Bosnia at the same time when the biggest concern in the UK was whether Blur or Oasis were the country's biggest pop band.

>>72952150
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SXeJ9GfUJo

They were so fucking good live back then.
I like modern Killing Joke fine, but seeing them live in those years when they still played that sort of savage, primal post-punk must have been life-changing.
Geordie Walker and Paul Ferguson are some of the most underrated musicians in post-punk.

>>72954436
There's a reason why the "sell out" cries were so loud.

>>72944823
So I just listen to all these albums?

>>72954583
I wouldn't.

>>72954471
Yeah, I remember watching some old DIY documentary on UK punk in the early 80s and seeing an impressive amount of Killing Joke leather jacket patches and graffiti all over. I can't imagine many of those guys responded very positively to songs like Adorations-

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QUICK NAME YOUR FAVORITE ALPHAVILLE TRACKS

Speaking of "sell out" Killing Joke...

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1nIK9tCbho

>Do you think it's hard for credibility of a chart like you to chart?
>No.
>So you don't mind Killing Joke going for number one these days?
>Well, we don't like fascists.

What did he mean by this?

>>72954849
Damn son.

>>72954849
IIRC there was some controversy surrounding Killing Joke and their politics in the mid-80s as a result of some of the shit they said in interviews and them recording Love Like Blood, a song that was an ode to Yukio Mishima, a highly conservative, highly traditionalist Japanese writer(and also one of the most celebrated writers of the 20th century, whose work is respected by plenty of people who don't share his political convictions).

I think that comment had more to do with Eldritch wanting to trip up the competition than with him genuinely believing KJ to be fascists desu.

>>72941169

Learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If4PMcEX2BQ

>>72949217
Fex urbis is "bomb", thanks.

>>72955099
I really don't like the intentional vinyl noise.

anybody have recs on more developed goth music, past joy division and the cure and such?

>>72955212
neofolk

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This is still the best horrorpunk album of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lzGejdzhlg

>>72952353
Crushed. Anyone know any other non aggrotech acts from sf/bay? I don't get out much.

>>72954583
Not necessarily. This small chart is of albums that basically makeup the basis of all the diverse sounds in goth rock proper, and are the "essentials".

So you could listen to one album and think "I want more like this" and go from there.

I mean, if you were really into goth, you'd listen to most of them. I've personally heard 18 of the albums here.

>>72955403
I asked for more gothic rock, not a separate genre.
Also I'm not a fascist or a natsoc.

>>72956103
chart up above is pretty good.

Here it is
>>72944823

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Some FaceBook page (goth memes or the World Goth Day page I think) posted this image. It was originally just the right side + the girl, but I edited it to look like this.

>>72956273
e.i. I edited the left column in

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>>72956273
Lol halloween sound effects

Thank you anon who was posting Drab Majesty in the last thread. I'm officially in love now and angry I didn't know about him earlier when he was playing only an hour away from where I was staying for a few months

>>72941169
What about Doom or Gothic Metal?

>>72957715
does go to metal threads

>>72956273
Goth metal and dark ambient will always feel goth to me regardless of popular opinion.

>>72957855
k

>>72957875
Well, what do you think of Type O's October Rust? It might not be goth music but it certainly encompasses the feeling of goth. Again my opinion.

>>72957900
I like Type O Negative. I know what you mean.

I think here it is important to remember the distinction in the use of the words Goth and Gothic, as well as the literary use of the terms.

Songs, bands, and entire genres may not be goth music, but they very well can have gothic qualities and/or inspiration. Some may even have goth inspired visual or thematic qualities.

>>72958094
Like, that's why Gothic Metal and Dark Ambient are in the Vaguely related category in that chart.

They are only vaguely related in that they might have gothic qualities or inspiration, but other than that, they're a completely different thing. They are their own thing.

>>72958210
>>72958094
Hmmm... this is actually the most comprehensible way I've seen this phrased.

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Glad to see after a break from /mu/ /dark/ is becoming a thing. My soulmate tuned me into neo-folk in middle school and its been an amazing ride ever since.

I think you all should listen to pic related. It's pretty meloncoly sounding. Its also a hip-hop album.

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>>72959706
>don't you ever talk to me or my navel ever again
fucking lol
i do wish i had a deathrock gf though
ive never seen one, its as if they completely dont exist

>>72960361
lmao I didn't notice it till I read that part

same

>>72949217
damn, public service is pretty good
also, i like exit order's self titled more
really good shit

>>72959706
I'd hang out with her. We'd judge each other very harshly and get hammered all the time. And I'd have her give me haircare tips.

>>72956273
What the fuck is terror EBM?

Is it just harsh EBM? If so it's unarguably cybergoth

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who /UNTZ KRASCH UNTZ KRASCH/ here?

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>>72961516
>modulate and yade remixes
BRRRUUUUUHHH hahahah holy shit
>tfw I have those
>yade remix sorta sucks desu
>tfw yade completely disappeared

>nu-combichrist and aesthetic poseur shitting on anyone

>tfw tank9 broke up with Mary, stopped making Industrial Dance videos, and became a Mormon or some shit

>>72961667
Combichrist's industrial metal is better than anything they've put out before.

I welcome nu-Combichrist and their Pawn Stars aesthetic.

>>72961516
>at least he's not playing every single version of Straftanz in a row like last week

STRAFTANZ KOMMANDO
STRAFTANZ ENGEL
STRAFTANZ KULTUR
STRAFTANZ PUR

EINS
ZWEI
DREI
VIER
LOS!

>>72961667
>just like it's okay to like your first two albums and nothing you've put out afterwards

it's not just okay, it's mandatory.

I mean his early stuff wasn't stellar but there were some strong tunes. Now it's just flaccid futurepop.

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>>72961792
Tbh. He had potential back then. Shame

I wouldn't even call his new stuff futurepop.

He's a real drama queen on Facebook too

>>72961889
>anime profile pics are for losers
they really are
especially ironic trapfags

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I recently just found back this little thing.

It's from a christian industrial rock band that largely imitates early Marilyn Manson. Mostly influenced by Portrait and ACSS, but with clumsy vocals and demo-quality production. And bible-thumping rants during their shows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeHkGDVo7zg&t=0m30s

still good stuff for early Manson fanboys.

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Why is Chibi from The Birthday Massacre so fucking cute

>>72962062
looks like a random-ass daria-wannabe indie cunt to me

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>>72941169
>2 days ago
color me impressed, ive never seen a dark thread last this long