/prod/ Music Production General

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Forgot this
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLtD67ljlaeXQMV4sb-YzNA/featured

>>72905056
is this a live set or his home recording setup?

can't imagine him writing such good stuff on such a messy awkward setup

>>72905235
This wouldn't be 1% of his shit.

>>72905270
i'm talking ergonomics

i couldn't be arsed programming my ms20 if I had to reach over that MPC i need literally everything right next to me with no straining or it's useless

https://clyp.it/pkstusar
very raw wip, it starts falling apart at 2:00

pls r8/subrscribe/smash the like button

In Ableton Session, how does one repeat MIDI tracks the same ways loops are automatically repeated?

>>72905297
You get to the stage where you can't have everything set up ergonomically. If you know what sound you're looking for on an ms20 you won't be leaning for long anyway.

https://clyp.it/ggmhfgw4
Reworked the intro synth and sketched a new drop, i didn't make anything worse, r-right? Also gonna fix the kick since this time around it seems too short.

>>72905334
Click on the clip and make sure the loop button is highlighted. Make sure the brackets are the right length. It should be automatic tho no?

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>>72905334
i dunno if i get what you ask, there's a button that says loop

>>72905334
i dont think they automatically repeat, you just have to duplicate (ctrl+d)

>>72905349
>https://clyp.it/ggmhfgw4
sounds sicky in yir mouf bruv

love the buildup/drop

>Gonna buy some VCO's to modulate my euro rack

>>72905303
>https://clyp.it/pkstusar
Really like the percussion in this but not so sure on the other sounds, but i don't really listen to much of this type of music.

>>72905349
>https://clyp.it/ggmhfgw4
Pretty good, reminds me a little of rockit with that synth and that drop is pretty good. Don't really like the gaps of silence though


https://clyp.it/5jkbzcyr
My first project that i've felt like sharing. Just got started at production so any tips for this song or in general would be appreciated.

shared this in the last thread but would still like some more thoughts on it

https://clyp.it/2e15bxhe

>>72906188
sounds a lot better than i was expecting from a first project.

it took me 6 years of using ableton to finally know how to curve automation lines

its alt, you hold alt key

>>72906188
>https://clyp.it/5jkbzcyr
very nice
the beat that comes in at 0:54 doesnt fit, especially that offbeat

not really a fan of the resonance at 2:00+, but if thats what you're going for then thats cool

>>72906188
>don't really like the gaps of silence though
Oh yeah, i thought it would help making it sound like amon tobin but i ditched the idea. Pretty happy to see appreciation though, thanks

>>72905033
noice

>>72906209
>https://clyp.it/2e15bxhe
vocals need to come down slightly
is this sampled or your own recordings?

very nice. one of the percussion bits sounds like a phone notification, i'd get rid of that or tone it down

Stupid beginner question here:

What's a good mic to get some clean accoustic instruments sound?

>>72906272
got together with a friend, it's her vocals!

haha you're right about "phone notification part"

>>72906209
>https://clyp.it/2e15bxhe
If i click anywhere in this song it sounds good, but i feel the suspense made at like 2:30 is killed by the drop between 3:28 and 3:34.

>>72906215
thanks man been messing around on FL for a little bit and watching tutes and such but making something longer is a lot more work

>>72906188
sound wise is very good, but i think it kind of builds too slow

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What would you do if you were messing around one day and accidentally wrote the best song in the world

>>72906292
thats p cool man, sounds awesome, it gets better and better as it goes on as well. how long have you been producing?

the laughter part is slightly jarring, maybe just record her while shes off her tits and get something that fits better

>>72906529
Upload to youtube i guess, then shill to give it some views and the people who hear it will start sharing. That's assuming everyone who hears it likes it and not everyone is greedy of music.

>>72906529
write a song about writing the best song in the world

>>72906556
well if its the best song in the world it will be far too deep for the masses and only the greatest of patricians will appreciate it, encasing the notes in leather and burying it in the richest mahogany to preserve it from the dirty plebeian ears

>>72906725
and scaruffi will give it a 9/10

What are some essential Ableton keyboard shortcuts you guys use on a daily basis?

>>72906871
i mapped my metronome on/off and my session record button to / and * on the numpad

>spent almost 10 years producing hip-hop
>don't almost even like hip hop anymore
fuck my life

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I just bought a Launchpad Mini at a car boot sale for 20$ and it came with no codes or serial number.
What do I need and where can I find the shit I need to make this work on my windows PC?

>>72907025
there should be some kind of code on it check again
then find the user manual online
these kind of things usually install themselves then you update the drivers

>>72907025
you shouldn't need either of those things to make it work on your computer, they're just for registering it on the website and downloading bundled software if there is any

>>72907052
These things uusally come with 2 serial numbers, one for the device itself and another for the software.

Both are required to download drivers and programs.

i just want to be as loud as s3rl withtout putting my frequencies to shit. did i do it right?

https://clyp.it/0bty10uc

>>72906984
then you can come at a different angle within a different genre which others don't have

>>72906984
you are doing it horribly wrong
mix genres

>>72907159
I'd say quite well done.

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Is there a way to clone these markers?

>>72908059
Try to highlight another zone and give it that same behavior, whatever it is.

https://clyp.it/4frcg4ni

Looking for opinions on this

Not sure if this is the right thread or not but what do you think of this so far? When it's finished it'll be the audio for this final writing project I had in uni. I'm writing it in Milkytracker.
https://clyp.it/dfum22rh

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>>72908645
nigger this is kek music, good fucking job

>>72908850
>nigger this is kek music
underage pls go

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>>72909032
fuck you mang im old enough to bang ur mom

>>72909397
>i'll tell him i could fuck his mom, THEN he'll stop thinking i'm an edgy 16 year old!

>>72904932
I like how he opens up the gear to trick people into thinking he's doing something clever.

>>72908645
this is good
reduce the cling sample volume

>>72910839
What's cling sample volume? Sorry if it's a dumb question, pretty new to production shit in general

Anyone got any tips for a clean-sounding mix? Been producing for ~3 years and finally getting there lel

Here's what I generally do depending on what the track is:
>EQ everything as best as I can
>high pass everything below its range
>use a multiband compressor to compress the highs (above 4k) heavily then boost them a bit
>use a stereo imager to make lows (below 200) mono, and everything above 2k a bit wider

>>72911101
Get a rough start by playing pink noise and soloing each track and adjusting the volume until it's just barely audible. EQ to make things stand out by removing frequencies from opposing tracks. Don't just EQ solo tracks, listen to them in the full mix. Really sharp high passes can sound unnatural, don't go for some sort of 48dB highpass and do this before some sort of compression or limiting on the channel.

>>72908645
Fucking
DED
E
D

>>72907089
>they're just for registering it on the website and downloading bundled software if there is any

Well where can I find this bundled software?

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does this feel hollow to anyone else?

https://clyp.it/eh20xv0t

feedback and general opinions welcomed

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So a lot of the links in the OP are for FL studio, any particularly good beginning tuts for Ableton?

I can probably figure out a good part of the interface itself on my own. I'm an electrical engineer grad and mostly wondering how I can learn the workings of (the waveforms of) the sound itself. Maybe then I'll try my hand at putting together some actual songs but I want the basics first.

I'm currently halfway through the New York School of Synthesis video, but a lot of this stuff I feel like I know the theory of already and would like to know how to play with it in ableton.

Would anyone be able to hook a poorfag up with Ableton or whatever their program of choice is? I want to get writing but I don't have half a grand or more sitting around to buy a good program with

>>72912733
i dunno what comes with launchpads these days, but i'm guessing it's something along the lines of ableton lite, maybe wavelab le, or some vst instruments. all stuff you should easily be able to torrent the full versions of
>>72912935
i still don't even really know what i'm doing with synthesis despite producing for like 6 years now and knowing what all the individual functions of a synth are for. i found sampling and effects to be a much more intuitive way to do sound design

>>72912935

Tom Cosm's guides are pretty useful and cover most aspects - part 1 below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2IErEHa7A

>>72906536
been producing for about 6 years now.

cheers, I get that there are jarring parts to the track. Might edit em out later

https://clyp.it/4zoseexg

Thoughts?

>>72913511
Thanks much, I'm checking this out now

>>72913022
Pirate bay.

>>72912842
I like it, pretty unique sounding imo

>>72912842
Fuck around with instrumentation, especially the piano you're using. I think at least part of any "hollowness" you're feeling is stemming from cheesy/cheap-sounding voices. With a different/better piano sound I think the whole thing would be a lot less nasal and I'd vibe with it more.

t.never seriously produced anything, so take that with a grain of salt if it sounds bullshit

>>72914826
To add to this anon, try adding some natural sounding imperfections to the piano to make it sound more like someone has played it

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I made a new version because it felt wrong

https://clyp.it/n0bpee5b

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>>72912842
thank you

>>72914826
yea i agree, i switched pianos on this one did more sound design

>>72916158
yea but everything looks so nice and tidy with it quantized haha, there's a humanize function in logic that randomly changes the velocities and takes it off the grid i put it on this one, it think it sounds a little more lively

>>72917569
>https://clyp.it/n0bpee5b
i much prefer this version, sounds super tight.

I added some lyrics to this, what you reckon?
https://clyp.it/2qcslixi

give me 1 good reason why I shouldn't just use all white keys and the modes associated with them 99% of the time

>>72918200
you can't use g minor

>>72918200
>>72918225
BTFO
/thread

>>72918152
thank you

yo this is great dude, like really good

how do you get everything so sound so realistic?

i like how airy and light it feels, the live sounding drums go great with everything

vocals nice too the singing really fits the mood and atmosphere of the song

do you have a soundcloud?

i'd love to hear more

>>72905303
definitely sounds grandiose... i'd have liked to hear some deeper ugly sounds thrown in there for contrast

>>72907159
it's quite bright

>>72908327
i think you need a different/louder hat.... the groove didn't really match the music that well imo, or it sounds off with those double hits

>>72914408
I was bored for most of the first minute until the beat started getting busier desu

>>72906285
condenser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2edewYkE_f0

>>72918399
Thanks dude, appreciate it.
Idk the snare, hats and bass are sampled, the rest are just vsts.
I do but most of my recent stuff hasnt been released yet cause im mulling them over; here it is anyway: https://soundcloud.com/inter_vals.
I've got some clyps of my recent stuff, thats probs a better place to listen if you're interested.

>>72906285
mxl990

Any thoughts on this? I want to add actual guitar and vocals still but I'm drunk at the moment so I'd just like feedback on how it stands so far

https://clyp.it/tqvu1olz

>>72919182
something feels off

i cant really figure out what tho

also since you're drunk i'd recommend writing now, its easier haha

"write drunk edit sober"

>>72919322
its definitely the drums that sound off, i'd redo them if i were you

>>72919322
I think the introduction of the strings might be jarring but I don't know how to fix it exactly

Also I'm unsure about my xylophone samples

>>72919353
Thanks man, I'll give that a try

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how do i stop fl studio from changing my microkorg patch program when playing midis with it? (midi out)
i only want it to play my fucking notes, i don't want program changes

>>72919958
i don't know why but i want to see her cry

>>72920013
There are plenty of videos of her doing just that

>>72905303
>https://clyp.it/pkstusar

Like the other anon, I like the percussion. Actually I like all the sounds in/of themselves, it sounds reminiscent of something from the movie Push or Lola Rennt

I can't really give any constructive production tips, but from the way the first couple minutes builds up it seems like all you really need, structurally, is a bridge/breakdown or something before fading out or going back to the intro beat. Seems well suited to a simple song structure, basically.

You *could* throw in some discordance, but it would seem weird to include in its current state

>>72920295
are there actually? who is she

i like seeing pretty smiley all the time girls cry sometimes, not to be mean.... i can't understand it

>>72920422
Brittany Venti, the cutest hammerhead shark in the sea. She's a ""redpilled"" attentionwhore but she's still a cute

>>72920422
Like anon said, brittany venti. search for vids of her being trolled by 4chan

I think I've finished, what do you all think?
https://clyp.it/0inlbbfd

https://clyp.it/h1i5e1il
thoughts? feel like it needs some vocals but idk, kinda wanna try using my own but i cant rap so idk
FFO: machine girl, death grips, iglooghost (maybe?)
>>72920495
sounds like the soundtrack to a wonky 2017 re imagining of final fantasy
kinda cool, but kinda cheeseballs

>>72920600
That's bloody sick dude, i don't think its eclectic enough for igloo though

>>72920690
didnt think so either, just been listening to a lot of him, so i figured it came out a lil bit in the music
thanks for the love tho fella

>>72919182
I'm this guy, slightly adjusted version

https://clyp.it/3kdbc0ki

Slowed it down, changed drum samples, actually tuned them this time, made string automation a little smoother, etc

>>72920600
The cheese was intentional, the professor's Stacey as shit so I'm hoping I can get some extra points out of "AWWW IT'S SO CUTE"

>https://clyp.it/h1i5e1il
That beat's pretty nasty, I could hear some Death Grips-tier shit going over that.

https://clyp.it/h15eqred
Is this beat rappable? I don't do much hip hop. Peace.

>>72921759
>https://clyp.it/h15eqred
I don't know about it being rappable but it does well on its own, I think.

>>72921835
Damn, I feel like it needs a lead instrument or something, or singing, I don't know, it feels like it needs something.... so I thought rapping would work fine. Hmm... I'm kind of stuck then.

https://clyp.it/lhi2gcvx

I've just made this, I'd love to get some feedback on the levels and also if it's any good musically.

I've only listened with my beyerdynamics so far

>>72920495
I think it sounds fantastic, respect for making something with a proper melody and whatnot. It sounds like I just beat a snes game (a good one)

Alright, posting the newest version of this, I'd love some feedback

https://clyp.it/0j5svftg

>>72923013
I enjoyed this. I'm not a huge fan of the clap you're using though, it really dominates over the rest of the drums. Otherwise, a very nice, fun track, although a bit short.

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If you wanted to get into the hybrid synthesizer Cobalt but found the GUI to be a little cramped and unfamiliar, try this skin. It's a little more usual.

https://1fichier.com/?lq3gaztn2n

Cobalt's on http://www.lesliesanford.com/vst/plugins/ if you still haven't tried it. It's great for 80s stuff.

>>72923727
https://clyp.it/dyb5htz0

Shit melody, just want to demo the sound a little.

>>72918413
explain plz man, you think its too cheesy? or you are using grandiose without negative connotation?

im going for some kind of ambient disonant wire-hum, got the main sample (thing it starts from) from here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGOqIYo9cBE

then started adding layers of heavily processed harmony and melody

>>72920419
yeah im rythmically going for sth like that plus some zion-rave-tier percussion, and the delayed kick game; was watching the matrix before i started it and yeah, its the same 90s dark jungle of lola rennt


>from the way the first couple minutes builds up it seems like all you really need, structurally, is a bridge/breakdown or something before fading out or going back to the intro beat. Seems well suited to a simple song structure, basically.
will work on this!

thanks for your feedback m80s

>>72919958
>posting trannies

>>72921759
every beat is rappable if you got the right rapper

anyone wanna share some max patches?

Beginners question here but what would be an ideal computer for music production? Or does it even matter?

>>72925994
Not really

>>72925994
Any of today's PCs work, only thing is you will overwhelm the CPU with too many high usage plugins like vocodex.

>>72924790
This is b urself-tier advice, some tracks or beats just work better as instrumentals than something with vocals, even the ""right"" ones

>>72923346
Thanks! After listening again, i think I see what you mean. I'll post around with some other clap samples or lower it.

And i think I would like to extend it, glad you enjoyed it so far :)

>>72906984
Just do electronic music.

https://clyp.it/rv4rgrhy

what have i just made??
excuse the clipping im very excited

what's the best place to start if i'm chasing that late 80s/early 90's slow jam sound

stuff like the intro/lead synths on Come Back to Me by Janet Jackson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5ecZWwO_hQ) or Can You Stand The Rain by New Edition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7flrKMGfwjw)

From what i've been able to chase down, it looks like i should be looking for a Yamaha DX7. Any good VSTi out there that can get me close to that sound (or at least can somewhat accurately emulate a DX7)?

>sit on train
>faggot fuccboi with sunglasses and beach hair enters
>gets out macbook air and ipod earphones
>starts up daw and starts nodding his head like he's some kind of DJ doing a live gig
>mouthes lyrics and snaps his fingers, fingerdrums on table
>this has been going on for half an hour now
I hope you guys don't ever fucking do this, holy shit I'm about to whack this fool

>>72926139
no is not, is a "b-fucking-creative" advice, if your beat is out the norm then get a fucking rapper worths his salt who can work with your beat, or change your beat

in this life you either take decisions or are a bitch

>>72926550
>someone else enjoys their hobby and makes time to pursue it while travelling
>local autist is enraged

>>72926475
Dexed is a strong DX7 replication, even loads its presets. You'll also want Synth1, a Nord Lead 2 emulation with extra features, and Cobalt, a hybrid synthesizer with authentic 80s hybrid synth waveorms. All free with low CPU hits so don't be afraid to stack instruments to play the same thing.

>>72926616
t. fuccboi who committed the described act

>>72926616
if you wanna enjoy your hobby don't be an obnoxious faggot about it
I produce while traveling too but I do it discretely and to myself

>>72926550
besides the snapping/fingerdrumming, there's nothing wrong with any of that

>>72926960
Bohoo someone isnt producing the same way i produce; quit being a prick

*finger drums on the thread*

*silent mouthing*
dick big like a car, whip it out 10 feet at a bar
she scrub my knob like she sponge of the bob

*silent mouthing*
girl got depression like a shy nipple
cum like a rope fuck her brain neuronormative (ugh)

>>72927088
>>72927144
>>72927231
are you done yet?

*silent mouthing*
scrimmy bingus, my girl killed ten fetus
chungy bungy, i'm hung like a donkey

I found this from a little before I started university, not sure if I posted it a while back or not. First full thing I wrote in a tracker, mixing's a little shit but eh
https://clyp.it/4w1tyc13

*silent mouthing*
my dick real scarry my girl asked if i'm done
i pop her ovary but i only busted one

ONLY COUNTRY VAPORWAVE BELOW THIS LINE

---------------------------------------------

some vaporwave i've been working on

https://clyp.it/xjkknjhf

>>72926983
>there's nothing wrong with producing on ipod earphones

>>72927468
well i mean, yes there very much is, but i meant in terms of being obnoxious in public

>>72927468
There isn't. The only thing you need monitors for is mixing and mastering, and even then it's possible to get a decent-sounding mix using any earphones if you know what you're doing

It's a vaporwave thread now?

https://clyp.it/idyrwtmh

Some chainwave

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what the fuck are you people doing?!
all I ever do is play 3 to 5 note melodies on my keyboard!
I can't make anything longer than a few seconds!
with one track!
help me, please.

>>72927579
quit resolving with the root note so early then

>>72927579
Learn some things about theory/composition. If you know literally nothing you won't be able to get much past looping 3 to 5 note melodies and putting a beat over it. When you know even just the basics of writing melodies and chord progressions, you can do so much more with your songs/beats.

>>72927608
truth, gotta learn how to expand melodies. practice and master the scales, maybe even try shifting to a relative key sometimes. nust get creative with it

>>72927579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl-V2IsUprQ

i think all you need to know going in is what root / tonic, second, third, etc is. they're just the number of the note in the scale, like c major is c d e f g a b and back to c so c is root / tonic, second is d as it's the second one, e is the third, etc. it gets a little more complex with flat fifth and whatever but i don't think you'll need to worry about that right now.

yeah it's 30 minutes long but it's really not bad to sit through as a guy with attention difficulties

Can this be found on torrent sites?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB9OofxPDUM

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>>72927683
wait.
you can plan out the structure of a melody in advance?
...
I mean, it makes sense when someone explains it to you, but I never would have thought of doing that by myself.

Are there any innovative artists that produce EDM, whilst still retaining the four on the floor kick pattern, commonly found in house and techno?

https://clyp.it/k3muyqyo

I've extended my thing. ԅ( ˘ω˘ԅ)

Here's what I think it needs still:
1) intro - probably a single chord just before the first iteration of the melody
2) add another melody or something to the bridge (part with just chords)
3) tweak the melody/ theme at the end for a bit more interest.

Good ideas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-OzELPUXqQ
I fucking love the sound/tone of Herbie Hancock's electric piano and I think this is the best example of it. Are there any plugins/VSTs that can help me get that sound? Or any tips on recreating it with a synth or something?

>>72929269
Keyscape has tons of classic sounds like this one, maybe you'll find it there.

Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svX6WRWBP8o

>>72928578
Feed Me i would say. New album of his was released this Saturday by the way.

>tfw you will never be as good as Jacob Collier
Reincarnation is the only solution.

>>72927468
>>72927551
>The only thing you need monitors for is mixing and mastering
>>there's nothing wrong with producing on ipod earphones

I can't understand lying to new producers like this. Like yes it's *possible* to make something decent, (once you're amazing) but it's about 1000x harder to hear what you're doing and making it unnecessarily harder on yourself when spending just a couple hundred bucks will make it that much easier for you

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gentlemen we have to bring Joe back 2 life

What are your favorite MIDI controllers?

>>72926380
I WISH I KNEW CAUSE IT WASN'T FOUND

>>72927447
i'm not sure what i'm hearing besides a slowed down song.... but i hate the way the singing sounds honestly

>>72927554
?

>>72928841
yes decent ideas. also i can barely hear the lower synth. it makes the whole track kind of weightless, needs to fill it out more

>>72932533
>MIDI controllers
>going out of the box ever

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Ok guys so I have been looking at different things to buy, and it stands between a Korg kaossilator or a great midi controller and software. So the reason I thinking the kaossilator is that I tried it and it seemed very easy to get into and intuitive. I have also tried different DAW's but it seems that the kaossilator is easier, but don't come with the expandability that a DAW does. What are your thoughts?

>>72904976
Max is pretty great, but kinda meh for sound design. I know technically you can do "anything" with it because it's a programming language, but everybody who uses it makes really generic ambient, IDM, or Academic "experimental" shit that's basically "Let's add a laptop to chamber music".

Even one of the folks from cycling 74' who spoke at my school was like "Yeah, it's kinda meh for video and kinda meh for audio but nobody else does both as well as Max".

Idk. I'm just not really able to wrap my head around being so meticulous that you do shit like make your own reverbs or delays...I mean, I can but I don't know who really would want to. I feel like I'd get so into it that I'd abandon sound design, production, and composition solely to make synths...

>>72906529
kill self immediately because fuck life if I already peaked THIS early.

>>72932889
if you ever want to be serious about recording and mixing music learn a daw dude

if a kaossilator suits you for writing though have at it.

>>72933135
max is my wet dream for modulation right now shutup

>>72933228
sorry, I just had to take a class with composition majors who knew fuck all about live sound, mixing, or mastering. My group's composer mastered our shit so badly that it was clipping...the subs were doing the subby distortion thing they're not supposed to do and it sounded so awful.

My experience with Max users is that they're not practical people. They like doing everything the hard way, even when what they're doing is shit. They're like the guys who drag giant eurorack modulars out to make shitty house, harsh noise, or electrouacoustic wank, except they have macbooks.

>>72931009
>have a good idea for a melody and basic structure
>have laptop with me
>oh no i cannot possibly do any kind of work on this song because /mu/ says I have to use monitors for everything

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hey guy's i'm looking to buy a sampler
i want to use it for drums and percussion mostly, but i want capability for other kinds of samples. i have a lot of field recordings and things i want to use it to work with so lots of sample manipulation is important
i use ableton to record, but i do most of my songwriting on guitar not on the DAW
any recommendations would be really great

do you guys know if clyp compress the sound if i upload a flac?

>>72933754
well i mean wav, i just realized i doesn't accept flac

>>72933754
Don't think so, and if you make the file downloadable people can get the original

>>72933794
thanks

I think I wasted my time today with this, just random samples from /mu/core mostly. I like it but it's too erratic. Try to guess the samples, if you want.

https://clyp.it/mczwfona

Also is my waveform supposed to be a brickwall instead of this

Getting interested in making my own music, is FL the best program for a beginner? If not what are some suggestions for someone with Windows

>>72933794
>>72933785
>>72933754
the stream is without a doubt MP3 codec

>>72933896
Yeah the file is compressed for streaming, but the audio itself isn't compressed

>>72933873
FL Isn't very intuitive actually. Ableton would be better if you wanna learn stuff on your own. There are plenty of fl tutorials on youtube though so if you're down for learning that way fl might be better.

>>72934069
>FL Isn't very intuitive actually
What do you mean? Like as an Ableton user trying FL after a few years?

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>>72933852
Clyp.it's waveform display works by average the amplitude of the samples for each bar, we're used to waveorm displays that show the loudest point. Here's your track with a hundred or so millisecond blur to average peaks, it's about how it looks on Clyp.it

I assure you, your MP3 is still very much smashed.

>>72934119
the visual aesthetic, layout, and shortcuts a DAW has impacts your workflow and productivity more than you could imagine.

I personally can't use FL because of how separated everything seems...clips/loops are separate from a linear arrangement, etc. There's no obvious visual cues as to how they are connected.

I use SONAR X2 for mixing, but Maschine for sequencing because it's similar to ableton in that you have a variety of clearly laid out, well marked "views" that can switch between a linear arrangement, and a grid of each sequence for you to mix and match sections of your song to perform or experiment with the structure.

>>72933135
ive only ever used max as a sequencer and that's it

>>72933583
Emu E4Xt

>>72934311
...But don't you have to build it from the ground up? Is the sequencer a simple complex of metro objects, bangs, and toggles? or can you change time signatures per pattern, change the lengths of shit, automate BPM changes?

I just can't see how that'd be useful. I'd want to use max to trigger lights, audio cues, or other shit within the context of a theater or even a DIY art event but I still cannot see Max as a useful tool for someone who just wants to write music.

>>72933559
>>oh no i cannot possibly do any kind of work on this song because /mu/ says I have to use monitors for everything

I didn't say anything like that lol

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hi
ive been screwing around with some synths and made this (still wip?) but im not sure what to do with it. i cant record vocals myself (nor can i sing at all) and i dont know how this sounds really.
if i could get some feedback or ideas for what to do with it thatd be great
ty

https://clyp.it/kqp1fssu

>>72934069
Thank you. I'm looking through Kijiji right now and found someone selling an Akai APC 40, with Ableton Live, do you think its a good idea to buy this?

>>72932889
Isn't a kaossilator just an effects unit? Not sure how you'd even write with that?

any good books about electronic music aesthetics

like when subotnik talks about new music vs new old music

>>72905033
Just started a eurorack, guess my studio is going to look like that in a few months time!

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Wich should I buy, the akai apc key 25(pic related) or the novation launckey mini.
For ableton.

>>72932729
SORRY HERE IT IS!!!
https://clyp.it/eih4qtm4

>>72934788

akai makes excellent controllers man i would play it safe with it's versatility

>>72934627

honestly it sounds like nintendo music. not bad nintendo music i guess but definitely not a sing along

https://clyp.it/upoejwo0

Not sure what genre, but this is my first track. The mix is in mono for now while I practice my mixing. Any feedback would be great.

I'm new to writing melodies and structuring songs in general. Can I get some feedback on this piece?
I haven't mixed it yet nor have I worked on humanising the midi.
https://clyp.it/u4ohetqa

>>72935468
cut the 20 seconds of silence

>>72934777
just remember to keep enough for rent each month

>>72936466
thanks tips

>>72935483

I like it.

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it's..... done.
https://clyp.it/0iaqtwhp

>>72932729
You were right! I added another layer to the bass, I think that pads out the lower end.

>>72935483
Not bad. Has a very avril 14th feel to it lol.

>>72935468
Decent considering its your first track. Interesting percussion elements for sure. But it feels like there are too many chords, if that makes sense.

I think there must be some synth playing fifths or something. I find it just makes the harmony in the "drop" part a bit too overwhelming. Chords should generally be sustained over a bar or so

hi

i made it in earbuds so levels are probably way off. thoughts? im new to this :(

https://clyp.it/eldh5uts

>>72938476
what part are you referring to as the "drop" part?

>>72935483
sounds like some undertale shit haha nice

>>72939740
I know its not really a drop, but the thickest part of the waveform. Around 2:16.

I'm looking for anyone's personal experiences producing with MIDI drum kits and how they compare to drum pads like Maschine, Nord Drum, and Akai's line. No budget. I've only ever used drum pads before.

Do you feel it's easier to lay down more expressive beats with a drum kit, or does it not make much difference once you master the pad/kit? Is it worth the extra money and space?
Or is this something I should really just try for myself to see if I like it more?

I'm not interested in a drum synth and rarely ever use traditional drum sounds in my music. I'd be using these to play synthesized percussion and samples. Don't care about any samples or presets that come with it.

I'm also only interested in the feel and response of the pads/drums. Bells and whistles like mixers or sequencers (like Maschine) wouldn't factor into my decision.

I understand playing a drum kit well (even a MIDI one) has a steeper learning curve than a drum pad, but I'm willing to put in the effort if I think it's worth it.

>>72935483
The melody is really nice pitch-wise but the rhythm and dynamics are pretty boring and flat.

>>72927447
it's shit
it falls too much into the "just slowed this old track down and put reverb and delay" cliche
sounds really dissonant and gay

>>72927554
this is shit too
no musical elements at all
if you're going to be abstract about vaporwave at least post a context or synopsis about/behind it so we can tell if you're trying to convey feelings with it or not

https://clyp.it/s0hd0u0s

not to suck my own dick but this is good

Anyone know any tips on how to make experimental electronic music? Also, can a song be effective without any basic song structure and theory?? My production is usually based off sound design and would like to make my productions more worthy.. Any recommendations on production techniques??

>>72940755
The others are worse but that's some pretty fucking terrible vaporwave you've got there yourself, bud

>>72940782
You don't need to know theory necessarily, but you need to have an intuitive grasp of song structure.

All songs have a structure, even the most experimental and avant-garde ones ever (with maybe a few exceptions).

All that said, a statement like "My production is usually based off sound design" is super super cringy. Try to understand what's wrong with that statement.

The best sound design ever will sound a trillion times worse with a bad song over a good song that's nothing but generic MIDI sounds.

The best way to make experimental music in your position is probably just to repeatedly listen to experimental musicians you like, try to understand what they're doing or at least the general techniques they're applying, and then try to emulate and later innovate on that.

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Waddup /prod/

Just bought a pic related, anybody have any tips for recording with a 4 track/using cassette tapes?

>>72940890

Darn, looks like the "music" that I make fails miserably then. I guess i'm better off learning to make traditional basic electronic music. blah..

>>72940917

TAPE LOOPS!

>>72941179
You need to master the traditional techniques before you can experiment with them in meaningful ways.

>>72941179
Definitely going to make some of those. I'm also going to experiment with using the 4 track in tandem with my effects pedals

>>72941212

thank you sensei

>>72940890
>"My production is usually based off sound design" is super super cringy. Try to understand what's wrong with that statement.

yeah that's highly dependent upon what you're writing dude. you can easily write a hip hop song or anything industrial hanging onto one chord with slight variation, it's not that hard

HOWEVER >>72940782

just learn theory and don't be lazy wtf. even if you want to be "out there" and experimental it's easier to do when you know what you're defying.

>recommendations on production techniques
>experiment

no rules kid. learn your synths inside and out though, don't be ignorant

>>72941311
>yeah that's highly dependent upon what you're writing dude. you can easily write a hip hop song or anything industrial hanging onto one chord with slight variation, it's not that hard

But there's always going to be more to it than that.

Yeah I could make a song with a simple melody and little else, or only one or two chords, but most of the quality and interest in that song is still in the song structure. The rhythm, the dynamics, the overall structure and timing and feel and how things interplay.

Sound design is orthogonal to all that. Sound design is a major factor in my productions and one of the biggest reasons why I like making music, but it doesn't make any sense to consider sound design the focal point of your track.

It's fine to start with sound design, or create the song based on where your sound design takes you, but sound design is pretty much like lyrics. They can add an extra layer of sentiment and semantics to the song and enhance it, but they're not really "the song".

>>72940890
>>72941212
>>72941311
>>72941455

Original poster here, thanks for the input. Here is a little taste of my "music." Any advice welcomed!

https://clyp.it/endqmmej

if i go through this fl studio basic series from seamlessr will i have a good enough understanding to make songs?

>>72904932
Anyone own a MS20 and can help me? Since it's impossible to sync the modulation generator frequency to my DAW's BPM. How do I recreate a plucky bass sound without the modulation generator. Messing with the attack only does so much.

guys im having this weird problem where the only songs of mine that sound good are ones that rely totally on samples made by the top .01% best musicians/songwriters/producers.

why it doing this????????

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https://clyp.it/mhzocejv

bringing back witch house, but it feels like it's missing some "umph" to make it stand out.

Once it's all finished and polished i plan on bringing in a friend to lay down some vocals on it, but i don't really want to bring her in to record until i'm happy enough with the track

>>72943108
is this a joke?

there is no way to sync the LFO to BPM it's not digital

you can trigger the ms20 with midi if it's a MS-20 mini and use a short decay on the filter envelope

>>72943309
Very flat mixing. Most witch house is mixed loud and pads are the main thing you want to make loud. Add lot's of stereo seperation on your lead and mix it to be the loudest part in your mix. And an easy way to get the oomph you want, side chain the kick to your leads and put some subtle distortion on it.

>>72943337
I said that I know it's not possible and I'm asking how to create the same plucky sound that the modulation generator creates.

>>72943309
hihats are a bit loud imo, as is the highend of the snare. maybe it's just loud in comparison to the rest but regardless it's really overpowering.

this isn't a house beat either, this is some weird trappy broken beat thing.

the constant midrange legato synth is really repetitive and boring and seems to never change. once i heard 10 seconds i heard the whole song.

needs a better melody or performance of the melody, alterations of the melody, modulation of the synth over time. needs some more variety in the sounds as well, nothing stands out to give it any sort of umph because it's all the same midrange synth and trap beat.

>>72943108
Learn to patch it and use the envelopes...

>>72941455
Hmmmm, I think the separate views we express are partially due to my narrow use of "theory"

Normally when people talk about not knowing it, they're referring to things like harmony, chords, scales and intervals etc while ignoring the talk about rhythm and structure because those tend to come naturally to them.

However, I think sound design can influence how you make use of the (remaining) theory you meant- a simple example being a tempo synced lfo or snappy envelopes, and maybe a bit more extremely with pumping compressors, some wacky reaktor patch, or some generative stuff.

>>72904932
Anyone know of good tutorials that explains how to use the Korg MS20?

>>72944006
if you don't know the basics of synths already you should start there

And if there aren't like a hundred on YouTube try searching for specific sound tutorials or patches for it

Or even how to patch a modular so you can apply that

>>72943403
im assuming the plucky sound means the MG is sending a ramp wave to the LPF modulation in

where it says cutoff frequency modulation under the lowpass filter turn the EG2/EXT knob up and on the envelope generator 2, set attack 0 decay 1.5 sustain 0 release 0 and set the lowpass cutoff frequency to around minimum

>>72944038
Alright, I've had it for about 6 months and have been making really basic but nice sounds with it and am ready to move on to patching.

Another question, do you guys record your synth raw and then add effects in your daw, or do you an effects board? I'm thinking about moving to physical effects hardware but don't know where to start with buying pedals. I have a few behringer ones but they're pretty shitty and introduce a lot of noise.

>>72944164
Thank you, that's exactly the sound I was trying to make.

>>72944179
Plenty of people use outboard effects, but it's far more of a cool fetishized thing to do. There are literal shit loads of free effects, stock effects that are excellent, and more cost efficient paid vat effects as well. If it suits you go ahead and buy pedals though man

Synth output SUCKS

Resampling RULES!

>>72943108
use ur hands bb

>>72944338
what's the point of having a synth then

>>72944359
you know what i mean.

>>72944365
Sampling your own synthesizer?

>>72944392
exactly!!!!

>>72933135
>>72934348
imo max is for getting shit to do stuff that isn't supposed to do

for example, i got a drum machine with a nanokontrol2 thanks to a couple of max patches and midi/instrument/audio rack cleverness

>>72944179
http://www.korganalogue.net/korgms/manuals/ms20/20pp.html#top

https://ask.audio/articles/unraveling-the-korg-ims-20-patch-panel
It's made with the ipad model in mind but a lot of the ideas transfer.

>>72940890
>The best sound design ever will sound a trillion times worse with a bad song over a good song that's nothing but generic MIDI sounds.

no, this depends a lot on what kind of music you are doing, some genres are extremely fucking simple musically and only stand up because of sound

>>72941591
nothing special about the sound design. just sounds like sub-par techno with a weak kick

>>72941591
how is this experimental this is literally techno

>>72934314
>Emu
Sorry I forgot to mention I'm Australian so this is most definitely off the table, can anyone recommend something similar?

Looking for any feedback on this. Hard drum & bass, think Limewax, Cooh, Counterstrike, Synthakt, etc.

>>72944392
Sure. You often use resampling in electronic music. You build a sound in your synthesizer, then record yourself playing some riffs or modulated mishmashes. Then manipulate the recording as audio, tearing it apart and putting it back together in new ways with new processing as well. I actually didn't use a synthesizer at all in my track up there. I just have a big library of sounds designed to be used in this way.

>>72928578
If you forget the EDM part, there's a lot of innovation in the more industrial and terror corners of hardcore.

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>>72904932
https://clyp.it/0m33kojy

>Dark Ambient

Can I get some feedback on this? Been working on it for most of today. Been inspired by Alessandro Cortini a lot lately.

Made with MS20 and Virus Access.

>>72945328
no soundcloud links

>>72945501
Well fuck me I didn't see that rule. I just already had it up there so I thought I'd use it. Sorry guys, don't want to be a shill.
https://clyp.it/w2l5zu4q

bamp

>>72944338
I disagree, synths are awesome. Come at me.

I'm >>72937992

>>72946697
SYNTHS ARE COMPUTER GENERATED NONSENSE. LEARN A REAL INSTRUMENT LIKE A GUITAR

>tfw no qt synth gf

>>72944338
>>72946874
fuck off

>>72946874
Pshh, I'd much rather write note sequences into my laptop than have to use my hands on a piece of wood like some sort of monkey

>>72946874
*tips fedora*

>>72937992
>https://clyp.it/0iaqtwhp
It has potential, but it does lack clarity in the sound imo. I hear some sort of buzzing, resonance or whatever you want to call it throughout the song that is tiring to listen too.

Considering picking up Heavyocity's Scoring Guitars, has anyone used it for anything?

Also posted a super early version of this a week back I think, getting pretty close to finished now.

https://clyp.it/xtri4jju

What are the best and most extensive sample packs for acoustic bass oneshots?

>>72945320
this is really good anon, all around. i can hear the cortini inspiration.

I like the 2nd harmonic on the strings that come in later, creates a cool horror flick vibe. But i almost feel like there is too much dissonance going on there. What if you tried doing those strings an octave up so the frequency wobble isn't so large? Or maybe just introduced a 5th to bring back some consonance. but all of that might kill the vibe you've got going. either way great work.

>>72944179
even with hardware effects, you should still record a clean signal.

ideally, you'd have enough in/out on your audio interface for a Send/Return loop. That way you can use the pedals for anything in your daw and don't have to get your pedal effects perfected before you even record.

https://clyp.it/kfiz5bgq
just trying to do some stuff, how's this so far

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aag-9Itidgc

How can I get drum machine sounds like this?
Aside from loads of cheap reverb of course. I just can't tell what drum machine it actually is

>>72948801
It's not a drum machine, they've got a real drummer: Lia Simone Braswell. Any dampened snare you can add reverb and / or gated noise to really. Just EQ it and distort it similarly.

>>72948896
I thought there were still a few tracks on their first two where they used drum machines on the recording.

I'll try it though. I think I just need to find a new drum kit or two, I kind of hate the ones I've been using.

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Been listening to a lot of prog rock lately

tried cookin up something similar

https://clyp.it/trhamsfh

opinions?

It's pretty short, i always seem to lose my momentum around the chorus and can't think of anything else to do ... any tips for this?

>>72940917
check out how NIN uses their 4track as an instrument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMXEvNUjgCg

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is there any way to fix this shit on ableton live?

i'm talking about the enormous top preview.

unfortunately, the large number of tracks is unavoidable on this (and similar) projects as the clients can come in and ask us to change anything right up to the end.

>>72950200
jesus, is this for comping, tracking, or mixing?

>>72950273
foley/sfx work

Try coming up with a simple story as a framework for a track.

>>72950291
what are you working on a film or something..?

this doesn't seem right

>>72950808
i wish it was something conventional like a film - it's short, packed with activity, client likes *everything* to have sounds. there's a little bit of waste in that there's layering which hasn't been resampled (accounts for ~15-20% of channels), but again, they're picky so even that stuff changes sometimes (i'm having to change something like that right now).
the large number of tracks is unavoidable

sup boys

https://clyp.it/edsow12j

can someone with good gear tell me if this sounds good to you? I mean the mixing and the mastering. I'm afraid I used too much multiband compression but I'm kinda new to post production so I wouldn't know.

Thanks.

>>72951669
there's a distinct lack of sub on the bass imo.

use waves' bass rider or something similar and see if you can get some more weight in it.

if something like that doesn't work, just layer sine wave sub under there.

>>72951669
>I'm afraid I used too much multiband compression

what are you using it on? That's usually used for very specific instances where eq or compression can't fix it alone

>>72951051
(short film?)

i can't even tell if you're grouping tracks it's so zoomed out lol

>>72951850
(something like that. 'animated' is all i can say, so there's literally no sound on it when it gets to us)

grouping as much as possible.
really hoping they let you put groups inside groups in 10.

might consider switching to another DAW unless we can figure something else out since we might get something significantly longer.

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>>72904932
Do I sound out of tune? I'm teaching myself how to sing and I'm not sure if this works or not, feedback much appreciated.

https://clyp.it/hyhhv5ty

>>72951770
idk lmao I'm just messing around with shit I saw on tutorials

>>72952658
>https://clyp.it/hyhhv5ty
its cringy as fuck dude

Anyone know how to get audio out of ableton when using ASIO, particularly with a Focusrite?

>>72952712
how do I git gud?

>>72952658
you sound okayish albiet quite strained. maybe go down half a step if you're more comfortable there.

just grab a copy of melodyne and you can see for yourself where you're flat.

that mix is absolutely horrendous tho, even if you're going for that a e s t h e t i c digitial distortion feel

>>72952719
out to where?

>>72952752
>that mix is absolutely horrendous tho
It's shit, I know, I'm mixing on earbuds, kek, just came here to ask about the vocals, I'll check out melodyne, thanks.

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>>72950200

Turn it off?

>>72952852

I'd add that the overview can be enabled/disabled for either or both Session View and/or Arrangement View

>>72952929
>>72952852
i fucking love you.

>>72952775
Literally any output device so I can hear it.

>>72953020
preferences > audio > output config > enable 1/2?

>>72953030
Nah already been through preferences > audio fuckery to try to get some noise out of'er.

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>>72953053
this werks for me

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>>72953106
also, check what your ableton master out is going to

>>72934788
just buy an apc40 secondhand off ebay: it's bigger buttons and got actual knobs and it's better
the fuck you want a keyboard for anyway, m-muh expressiveness? lol

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>>72933135
>everybody who uses it makes really generic ambient, IDM, or Academic "experimental" shit that's basically "Let's add a laptop to chamber music".
100% on it XD XD XD

>>72953106
Yeah same settings, but the levels on my playback devices don't even respond to anything playing in Ableton.

>>72953168
Yeah my ext. out is going to 1/2 and it's responding with the little level indicators, it's just that Ableton doesn't seem to be sending the audio to my computer's jack output speakers, nor my Focusrite output, so I have no idea what it's doing with the audio or why it's not sending the sound to any playback device I try to select for it. Tried googling it and the guide just says to turn off other applications that might use the soundcard which is just super helpful 10/10 "have you tried turning it on and off?" tech support.

>>72953311
what does your scarlett mixcontrol look like?

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>>72950664
>programme music
not even once

>>72953343
No Mixcontrol, 2i4.

>>72953493
try the beta drivers?
http://beta.focusrite.com/

i'm running out of ideas

>>72953558
also, i'm assuming a few things here:
>you're not on direct monitoring mode
>your 2i4 works normally outside of ASIO

have you tested a different application that uses asio?

>>72953624
Literally don't use ASIO for any other applications. Only switched from DX on Ableton because recording audio into a channel with DX has immence latency and ASIO reduces latency to a couple ms, in theory at least.

>>72951051
if you are only doing short clips, why not pull all of these sfx into an instrument rack and just trigger them like you would samples.

>>72953717
that's not a bad idea. although since >>72952852
has pointed this out i'm not too fussed now.

i might try out the instrument/drum rack approach out on the next project tho. thanks.

>>72904932

Lads, I'm interested in sound design and synth stuff but I'm the laziest of lazy shits and need more than watching YT tutorials to get me motivated to do anything. I saw a list of tutorial programs and other shit on here http://edmprod.com/10-best-sound-design-resources-net-today/
Any of these worth looking into at all? Pls

>>72953711
might be worth a shot, just to know if it's ASIO or ableton related (don't see how it could be desu). if you've got kontakt or something that can run standalone try and see if it works.

https://clyp.it/xf3guvz0
Beat maker here
Working on this thoughts?

>>72953758
What did it for me is going through the synth manuals and understanding every term and thing they talk about on there, as well as how to apply it on the synths.

>>72953711
is there another computer you can test the interface on? did it install without any problems on the computer you're using?

>>72953758
git gud

>>72953758
git good