Why do people talk jazz drummers up so much? The shit they do

>>72889934
You do know you're not going to get any replies that aren't "haha le metalfag XD" don't you?

Jazz drumers rely so much more on tempo changes and interactivity with other musicians than any other form of music. If you don't believe me you can listen what Elvin Jones did on the post-bop scene or what Tony Williams did for the free/fusion era.
>b-but muh blast beats

>>72890024
Yeah, you're right. It's all about the feeling.

>>72889934
I know this is bait but the metal fans obsession with technicality needs to die

>>72889934
they're good drummers, bront

Honestly if you can listen to Tony Williams and not hear immediately what makes him great then there's probably no point discussing this.

That said, jazz drummers need to be a lot more dynamic than drummers in other genres - ready to change up what they do in response to other musicians. They also tend to have a lot less to work with than metal drummers (smaller kits) and still manage to put as much creativity and variation into their playing.

Not even dissing metal drummers here. There are some incredibly talented people out there. But the style in metal drumming - especially the tech-death-type guys out there - tends to lean towards just emulating the guitar line on a stupid array of tuned toms, and that's just really boring to me. Even in metal I'd much rather have a Bill Ward than a Flo Mounier.

>>72889934
Metal drumming is very technical but it's all just muscle memory. Jazz players have to improvise and react all while keeping good time.

>the only thing that matters is technical skill

the mark of the autist

>>72890289
This
Some of the best metal albums are the least technical

metal lacks so much musicality.

Something tells me this is bait, but if you're genuinely implying jazz drumming isn't really technical you might need to stop listening to music.

>>72889934
Boom bap bap boom bap bap

>>72889934
I'm with you OP. I fucking hate jazz drumming. There's no rhythm or flow it's just a random mess of percussion. Then again I don't like jazz in general so I'm probably biased.

Waitaminute, this is gonna be a dumb question, but is there any purely improvised metal?

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>>72889934
Go listen to Buddy Rich and educate yourself.

>>72891161
>it's just a random mess of percussion
you're saying this like it's a bad thing

>>72890555
t. only listened to Dopesmoker and Dopethrone

>>72891248
even if he has (I'm willing to bet he hasn't), those two albums are definitely up there in the best metal albums ever

>>72891268
Maybe if you've listened to a grand total of 10 metal albums in your whole life

>>72891268
>those two albums are definitely up there in the best metal albums ever
not even top 5 in their subgenres

>>72890405
Might be the only drummer in the thread? At least the only one that knows what jazz is.

>>72890405
This. I'd posit that if you gave any professional jazz drummer the music to learn for a metal album that he could go into the studio in one week and play it almost as well as any professional metal drummer.

But if you were to give most metal drummers a week to get ready to record a modern jazz album they would not sound nearly as good as the real jazz drummer.

>>72891248
I actually didn't like either of those albums but please continue to be a technicality autistic Dream Theater shitter for everyone to see

>WE
>WUZ
>DRUMMERS

Reddit really has invaded this place...

>metal
>drums

metal drums are just a glorified click track, where jazz drums are music on their own.

>>72891780
not my fault you have terrible taste
go back to /r/metal fucking faggot

>>72889934
because they are black
you really underestimate white guilt

>>72891780
suck my cock

>>72891161
>jazz drumming.
>no rhythm
It's....but it's jazz though

>>72891161
>There's no rhythm
christ almighty

>>72889934
It's just clown white guilt that some self-loathing whites have.

>>72892166
yep just clown self-loathing whiteys at it again

>>72889934
Bless your heart.

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>>72889934
Listen to this OP, might be up your alley.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL5UfsrCTB4

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All drummers are gay
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mike jonsten book report lesson fucking retarded

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Gotta GET THAT MOELLER ACTION BRO (DOES SOME FUCKING WEIRD SHIT WITH HIS FINGERS)

yeah man, I'm a modern drummer, JoJo Mayer haha *does finger exercise that is literally pointless*

JoJo Mayer more like JoJo Gayer lol I'm jojo an internationally acclaimed performer and educator look at me xddd

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KEITH CHARLOCK FORMER FAT BASTARD

JAZZ DRUMMERS ARE SHIT
FUCK THE DRUMS
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>>72889934
>The shit they do is literally a joke compared to more technical genres like various metal subgenres
Elaborate, if you can (you can't)

What drummers do in jazz is very different than what metal/rock drummers do

Complexity definitely is not the point of music nor should it. Complexity can be an element of course but not the goal of the music. Jazz drummers have very much nuance in what they play that is hard to understand if you do not study the genre. I'm not a jazz expert so I can't say what those nuances are, but clearly you are missing more of what jazz is than most.

drummer arent musicians

>>72889934
Op is underage. Mooooods.