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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD4C1voDDfU

Name five (2x10-15) pieces that are undoubtedly patrician in any way possible. I'll wait

>>72855916
Four seasons - spring, summer, fall
Canon in D
Two steps from hell - Heart of courage

>>72855916
Petzold minuet
Variations over a theme by C. Petzold
Fugue on the name Petzold

Petzold

>>72855916
In The Hall of the Mountain King
Ride of the Valkyries
Hungarian Rhapsody 2

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Bach = Telemann + Vivaldi

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>*plays octaves on low registers and scales*

Wow, what a genius.

>>72858594
nope.

>>72859437
Why are you only listening to his meme concert pieces?

>>72855916
Carmina Banana
Coronation Te Deum
Finlandia
Mysterium
The Nutcracker

Or did you mean just from Liszt? I was just following the others' leads.

how do we fix /classical/?

>>72861100
What do you mean? Newcomer here. Just been downloading some music recently and it's been so moving, so I figured I never come on /mu/, I should check it out.

>>72859437
Isn't that a strawman for all music?

Kys

>>72860014
Liszt is almost 100% meme concert pieces.

>>72861363
Who's a non meme piano concerto composer?

>>72861371
mozart

>>72861363
>Années de pèlerinage
>Nuages gris
>Die Zelle in Nonnenwerth
>Die Trauer-Gondel
>Via Curcis

Just off the top of my head
Give them a try

Liszt sucks ass, let's be real.
>>72861400
This. The last ten of his piano concertos are simply extraordinary. Especially 21 and 23.

>>72861749
He sucked Chopin's ass, but their love was pure and it in no way stops his late compositions from being great

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IKy0iDkK6w

>>72862550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_tXqQlFdcQ

There's no better aria than this one, prove me wrong.

pro tip: no one can

>>72863247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7ZtSFfXfqg

>>72861855
>>72861749
>>72861363
Fuck y'all. Liszt is great.

>>72859440
>nope
???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEqX8UXimYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79etYWWA3r4

>>72855916
Les Preludes
Lohengrin
Akhenaten
Trouble in Tahiti
Billy Budd

>Not paying attention to Furtwängler, who was rehearsing a symphony, Rachmaninoff sat down at the piano, looked at his watch, and thunderously struck a few chords. Perplexed, Furtwängler stopped. He looked at Rachmaninoff, who showed his watch and said, ‘My rehearsal time was ten-thirty.’ With no further exchange the rehearsal of the concerto commenced. After five minutes or so, Rachmaninoff walked to the conductor’s stand and began to conduct. The orchestra had two conductors – Furtwängler, bewildered, and Rachmaninoff, swearing in Russian.

Kek

>>72861363
Even in the "meme concert pieces" Liszt is fascinating. The 1st piano concerto has a very intricate structure, for example

Finished Fischer-Dieskau's book on the relationship between Wagner and Nietzsche yesterday. Really fascinating how it all functioned, although reading about Liszt's death was particularly saddening: how he basically sat through a performance of Tristan whilst dying of pneumonia, trying to suppress his coughs, trying to keep Cosima happy. A hugely interesting web of relationships overall

>>72866879
>how he basically sat through a performance of Tristan whilst dying of pneumonia, trying to suppress his coughs, trying to keep Cosima happy

Now there's an example all concert-goers should follow. All jokes aside, that's pretty tragic.

>>72855799
>General Folder #8
Hey, creator of General Folder 8 here. Uploading the complete prokofiev symphonies performed by valery gergiev.

Btw, laughed my ass off at "loves the yellow piss of DG on his face"

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lemme know if you want more recs

>>72861100
get the old posters back. we keep leaking posters for some reason.

is this /pseud/ general?

>>72867333
Yes.

>>72867224
Does anyone have that ravel orchestral works album? It's not on soulseek.

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Bach-sama

>>72867333
classical is objectively the best genre. sure, we have our pseuds but what general doesn't?

>>72866931
Yeah, the dynamics are really interesting. You've got Cosima living with (and having children with) Wagner while still married to Bulow. Then there's Nietzsche who is Wagner's #1 groupie for many years yet who also cultivates a close friendship with Bulow despite this.
But Liszt, who had previously been very close to Wagner was estranged as a result of Cosima and Wagner's relationship (Princess Wittgenstein hated it even more, even though she had done something fairly similar herself). Eventually he is reconciled towards the end of his life when Cosima and Wagner get properly married, at which point he's become a religious man and goes to Bayreuth not as the great virtuoso but more as an anonymous figure amongst the crowds of Wagnerites.
And then after he dies he is buried in Bayreuth. Weimar, Hungary and Rome all demanded that he be buried there, but Cosima would only allow that if certain criteria were fulfilled (in Weimar, he had to be buried next to Schiller and Goethe, who were themselves buried next to the royal area; in Hungary, he had to be given a full state funeral). It's almost like he becomes buried under the Wagner mythos.

>>72867376
I always had the impression that Nietzsche was close to Wagner, but that it was one-sided affection?

>>72867404
It was sort of a two-way street. Nietzsche originally saw Wagner as some Schopenhauer's philosophy on art/music made manifest, believing that Wagner was going to bring balance to the Apollonian/Dionysian model which had been steadily decaying in modern times.
He was brought into the Wagner household as a young man partly because Wagner needed a propagandist to help him fight his corner in the musical debates going on at the time, leading to Nietzsche basically torpedoing his scholarly reputation in The Birth of Tragedy which took a long time to recover. There was however genuine affection between the two, even if Nietzsche probably cared more about Wagner than the other way round.

The more I read about Wagner the more he comes off as a son of a bitch. Awful man, great music.

>>72867523
Sometimes I feel as if he took his most "asshole" qualities and put them into some of his heroes (Tristan and Siegfried)

>>72867523
I thought that at points, but I'm more convinced that he was just so focused on his music that his awfulness was more a side-effect than his actual goal. I mean, the whole thing with Ludwig II is quite saddening, how he basically spent his whole life trying to buy Wagner's affection by acceding to all his demands for money, but to be fair it's not really Wagner's fault that Ludwig decided that was the best way to achieve it.
But taking the anti-semitism for example: it was probably down to Cosima more than Wagner; there's a letter from Levi (Jewish conductor who was very good friends with Wagner, conducted the first performance of Parsifal - although Wagner himself conducted the ending, which was apparently quite something) in which he basically says the Wagner's anti-semitism stems from some "loftier" ideal about preserving art and whilst it's very misguided, it's not necessarily malicious.

>>72867579
>says the Wagner's anti-semitism stems from some "loftier" ideal about preserving art and whilst it's very misguided, it's not necessarily malicious.

Yeah, it's pretty clear from Religion and Art that he mostly dislikes their faith, not necessarily their race.

>Obviously, it is not Jesus Christ, the Saviour, whom our military clergy praise as a paragon in front of the assembled battalions, before the beginning of the slaughter. Even if they name Him, they really mean: Jehova, Yahweh or one of the Elohim, who hates all other gods other than himself, and who wants to be enchained to his beloved people.

Cosima is another case altogether.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOAGAZIsieQ

>>72867329
crudblud is obviously posting again

>>72868266
which tripfag was that again, i forget

>>72868281
used to do classical sharethreads years ago

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This is your Beethoven for tonight.

>>72868266
how do you know?

>>72867329
>we keep leaking posters for some reason.
Final exams? I don't think the last 3 threads even broke 100 posts. We're in as pitiable state as /jazz/ at this point.

>>72868706
compare general folder 3 and 7

liszt is the bomb! chopin is better, but he was one fine musician

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>>72867364
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3630171
Should have all that double album and a little more

What is a "meme concert piece"?

If I liked Rite of Spring what should I listen to next that's similar?

>>72869981
More Stravinsky, of course. Go for his other ballets, Firebird, Petrushka, etc

>>72869981
Bartók - The Miraculous Mandarin
Varèse - Ameriques

And, if you're feeling particularly adventurous, Harrison Birtwistle's "Earth Dances".

>>72869981
I wish I knew, if you want some great orchestrations try Daphnis et Chloe

>>72870247
>>72870330
>>72870446

Thanks a lot. I don't know much about this sort of music since Rite of Spring used to make me nauseous for some reason when I was young, so I just stayed away from him and similar music until recently.

money

Seinfeld (underrated)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V2sBURgUBI

>>72866521
This is acceptable only when you're a actually good composer.

>>72872472
Rachmaninoff is safe then.

>>72872472
Or a good conductor, which he most certainly was. He was offered more than a few lucrative conducting posts, including the BSO, but he turned it down because he preferred being a soloist.

According to Stokowski, Rach was also a huge troll. The kind that plays it so straight, you'd wonder if they were joking or not. He was honestly probably just fucking with Furt.

>>72872580
lol

>>72872656
>Or a good conductor, which he most certainly was.
He probably was no Furtwängler.

>According to Stokowski, Rach was also a huge troll. The kind that plays it so straight, you'd wonder if they were joking or not. He was honestly probably just fucking with Furt.
Any source on that? What was Rach like?

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Post Bach

>>72872925
Not him, but I suspect he's referring to this (2.38)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbiHIb2OXSc

Hi anon, can you please recommend some avantgarde-ish, but melodic orchestral music like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogJgsQwVXgw

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>>72868381
Cute.
>>72867523
>great music
lol

>>72873794
Thanks anon.

>>72874755
>Wagner
>not great music
What are you a jew?

>>72874840
>30 minutes of orchestral wankery going nowhere with some tiny sprinkles of inspiration once in a while
>great music

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>>72874840
I find Mahler to be a much better sleeping aid. At least his music ends after I've fallen asleep.

>>72874893
>30 minutes of orchestral wankery going nowhere
That's cute.
Try 3 hours instead.

>>72874893
>I'm too stupid to understand the order and structure in Wagner's music, so I'll just pretend it's all random

>>72874893
That's the point you philistine.
It's almost like you don't like edging.
Go listen to some Tchaikovsky you damn plebeian.

>>72874940
To be fair getting used to Wagner is anything but easy.
That said once listening to Tristan und Isolde becomes effortless, and once you can study his scores, you're in for a great ride, in fact one of the best rides available to human beings.

extremely ded

How do we resurrect /classical/, fellows?

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>>72876353
With anime

>>72863247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nALKce_oU6Q

>>72876517
Was late Beethoven the absolute madman?

>>72876607
no

>>72876636
o-ok

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl8H_m3m0Eg

Beethoven's 8th > 9th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tne33CUd0U

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>>72876353
Listen to more classical music. Then you'll have something to discuss about.

I for one stopped posting because that guy with the /pseud/ memeposting is right. Getting discussion going in these threads is extremely hard. I had to samefag for a dozen posts before anyone actually riffed off one of them. To actually do anything here besides share links you have to LARP as a curator of the thread, come up with personae with different musical preferences to try to figure out what jives with others and what doesn't, and then come up with the perfect hook-up line... And most dialogues I had were with 2 people (a singer and some other guy, a pianist if I'm not wrong) to the point where I can now almost discern who I'm talking to just by their wording style.

When a handful of people (3 or 4, pretty much) make 90% of the discussion here, you know the general is pretty much running on fumes. No point in a glorified share thread imho, especially when people post the same shit over and over again.

It gets boring.

>>72876912
Pastorale > garbage > the rest of his symphonies

>>72867373
>classical is a genre

>>72876912
the final movement of the 8th is Thoven's best final movement

>>72877070
>When a handful of people (3 or 4, pretty much) make 90% of the discussion here, you know the general is pretty much running on fumes
It shifts throughout the year, honestly. We have some pretty ded moments, but sometime last year around the end of Summer there was considerably more postings and IPs in the thread.

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Best classical crossover

>>72877070
Yeah, the job of "curating" used to be the domain of the trips who were able to generated conversation through their personalities which were often designed to be quite provocative in order to merit discussion. Actual discussion happened because there were genuinely knowledgeable people attracted by the posting, but the job of bumping the threads was done by CLT and friends, with a combination of shitposting and some actual discussion.

In other news, Cinquecento seem to have been the only group to do a recording of Willaert's Quid non ebrietas, which is interesting because it's a piece with a fair bit of scholarship concerning it which usually means it will get recordings.

>>72877234
a genre with genres

>>72873059
Whoever designed this piece of shit cover or whatever it is needs to be shot in the back of the head.

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>>72877889
fucking Doremi covers, man

>>72877969
Why

>>72877889
at least it's a good rendition

I've gotten really into Kreisler in the last month, where do I go from here?

Is Kempff a meme?

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>>72878204
nah

I have an album of Bartok's 6 string quartets, which I love. What should I look into next?

>>72878315
bartok concerto for orchestra

>>72878315
Shostakovich's quartets.

>>72869016
Thanks.

>>72878315
Most other string quartets besides bartok and debussy and ravel suck. Look no further, your search is over.

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>>72878165
Early Kreisler or late Kreisler?

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What is /classical/'s opinion of Carlos Kleiber? Is he overrated or is he one of the greatest conductors of all time? The sadly meager amount of work that he's produced, his beethoven's 5th and 7th symphonies, and brahms 4th (among his wagner tristan und isolde and schubert symphony) absolutely blow me away every time I listen to them. I also love watching recordings of the man play. This is as a person who too orchestra in high school, but was never very serious about my pursuits and never studied music that much. So my opinion is non expert, but I still find myself wishing he had released more music.

Do you think there is an equivalent, more prolific conductor? Perhaps Herbert Von Karajan?

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Visiting /mu/ for the first time in a while and, gotta say, it was nice to see this thread.

Anyone check out Kacso's B-minor sonata? She's easily my favorite Liszt interpreter next to Berman

>>72878926
>What is /classical/'s opinion of Carlos Kleiber?
Certainly a great conductor.
>Is he overrated or is he one of the greatest conductors of all time?
On the basis of his studio recordings, yes. He kind of has this over-exaggerated "legendary" interpretation about him -- as if he were some sort of divine conductor, or something. But a few of his studio recordings can be quite disappointing. And, as you say, the repertoire is too limited.

In my opinion, every single one of his live counterparts are more interesting, and sometimes easier on the ears (his Beethoven 7th, for instance)

>Do you think there is an equivalent, more prolific conductor?
Carl is Carl. There aren't really any other conductors who are precisely like him. On the basis of their reputation, though? Furtwängler has a similar "legendary" reputation - especially amongst conductors. Karajan is a bit more of a polarizing case, but there's no denying his influence on mid 20th century conducting (which is really just an extension of Stokowski's influence)

>>72878930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA5XfMO06zA
check this

>>72878926
I would also like to add that, strangely, I did not know about his enigmatic reputation when I first listened to him. I became interested in him when I first listened to his recording of brahms 4th symphony, and then saw a recording of him in the great conductors of the 20th century documentary (if that's what that documentary was called).

Was on my family's sail boat today, standing on top of it seated on it's trailer in the yacht club parking lot, polishing off and sanding it for the season this year. I listened the same thing I've been listening to for the past 3 days while I do my work, beethoven's 9th symphony (furtwangler's recording yesterday, karajan's 1977 today, the 1963 recording on the first day, and fricsay's also on the second day), as well as the first disc of the two disc set of bela bartok's string quartets (the tacaks quartet recording), and "Le Sacre du Printemps (Orchestre National de l'O.R.T.F, Boulez, 1963)" which is in folder 8.

It was nice. I used my Echobox Finder X1 earbuds, and wore them under ear protectors (I think they were around 32 decibel rating, something like that). It isolated the sound very well, even with the power tools, it was enjoyable listening to music in solitude up there.

>>72878746
(not true, by the way)

Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPrxV77Nonk

>>72867523
>>72867579
I don't know how you can stand his operas unless you actually know german. The singing has the disjointed tempo of talking more than it carries a rhythm. As a person who is not afraid of compositions written in foreign languages (das lied von der erde is possibly my favorite composition of all time), I find tristan und isolde incredibly boring. I listened to the whole thing once, because it was my 90,000th last.fm scrobble (I've revealed how big of a nerd I am), and I was bored to tears. I tried to sit in my chair and listen to it without distractions for a while, but before long it became background noise for me.

I understand that it is probably written to be more of a play than a serious piece of music, but there is nothing epic about it from a musical perspective to me, begging mahler, beethoven, stravinsky. I do not judge a person's music based on their political beliefs, I would like to enjoy Wagner. However, I do find fascism repulsive.

>>72879752
>tfw no Mengelberg/Arrau recordings

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>>72879835
fug

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>>72879788
>I understand that it is probably written to be more of a play than a serious piece of music

It's a musical drama, only the preludes and overtures are meant to be self-sufficient.

>but there is nothing epic about it from a musical perspective to me
Because you're missing 80% of his compositions, by listening only to the music. For example, leit motifs will just go over your head, since you won't be able to associate, for example, love potions to their themes.

Still, there are countless DVDs, and on youtube and torrent sites it is easy to find live performances of high quality. Listen and watch them, study his scores voraciously and try to understand the librettos. Give it a try, Wagner is one of those few composers that deserve it.

>I would like to enjoy Wagner. However, I do find fascism repulsive.
Wagner may have been anti-semitic, but he was anything but a fascist.
Ideologically he was closer to anarchism, personally he was an opportunist (he followed the teachings of Schopenhauer, which meant that to him his art had the priority over literally everything else).
It's certainly a flawed character, but to associate them with the Nazi and Fascist parties of the XIX century is both unfair and useless.

>>72879991
>he was always there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQgso74jvG4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1QWxHOpaD4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLp4xzC88vU

>>72878926
His Beethoven 5 is about as ferocious as you can get but I disagree with some of the more idiosyncratic aspects of the 7th (plucking the end of the allegretto for an example). I don't deny that he's a great conductor though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnlaCenlNHk
wtf i love baroque music now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF8TAiIHLpk

What is, in your opinion, the definitive version of beethoven's 9th symphony? Is it the ones you would expect, fricsay, karajan, and furtwangler, or something else? Which is your favorite, or which do you think is "the best"?

>>72881828
There's very few recordings of anything that I would consider completely definitive, I'm not sure if I even have one.

When it comes to the 9th, there's a lot of good ones. Fricsay, Klemp's live ones, Furt's various readings, Abendroth's late account, Schuricht's (Conservatoire), Leibowitz, Fried (for that great singing), Mengelberg, Tennstedt, etc. etc.

>>72881828
>What is, in your opinion, the definitive version of beethoven's 9th symphony?

The one conducted by Beethoven in 1824.

>>72881961
It was a fiasco, and it was not balanced by Beethoven.

>>72881828
the one that destroys your ears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uk7UZGMUoE

>>72881521
Finally you've been enlightened anon.
If you like powerful dissonant stuff I have a few recs for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAD6lUivz10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAY4cMlZ7mc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwfMSJiSFl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIztKXrmOMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Ftp4vVAmM

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>dude sustain pedal lmao

I'm trying to get into classical music. What's the best way to listen to classical music? As in, should I bother listen to albums, or is it fine to listen to individual pieces?

Also any general recs? I mainly listen to piano music like Chopin, Liszt, Satie, and Schubert.

>>72870446
doy. What a great composition.

>>72883185
Well, there's nothing wrong with either way, just bear in mind that if a piece was written individually it was pretty much meant to be heard on its own, not in the middle of an album full of other stuff.

>>72883185
>What's the best way to listen to classical music?
Go see a live concert.

Listen to individual pieces. Often "individual pieces" will have multiple movements anyway

>>72869661
Beethoven 5. Mozart 40. Any piano concerto from Mozart, Rachmaninoff or Tchaikovsky. Pretty much any well known classical or romantic period piece.

>>72879788
>I do find fascism repulsive
Who said anything about fascism?

rate my new ballad

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1cn6XlY86fk

>>72874266
Meow

>>72874266
miraculous mandarin

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>when a chorus rolls their R in unison

>>72885962
Thank you! That's perfect!

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>>72885994
>when the soloist bounces the melody line back and forth with the continuo before ending the solo in a flourishing cadenza

>>72885994
I need to hear this

>>72886577
https://youtu.be/lOu6l7PzYes?t=66

>>72879788
>I understand that it is probably written to be more of a play than a serious piece of music,
You understand nothing. It is "serious" music, but to you it lacks context because you, for some retarded reason, listen to opera as you would listen to a symphony.

Does anyone have the live recording of beethoven's 9th by otto klemperer, recorded in 1960, released in 1988, under the philharmonia orchestra?

It's not on rutracker or soulseek.

>>72887600
The one with Wunderlich?

>>72887621
If there is a beethoven's 9th with fritz wunderlich then I definitely want to hear it. I was talking about this one though https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/philharmonia-orchestra-otto-klemperer/sinfonia-n_9-1/

>>72887644
Yes, that has Wunderlich credited. It's from an entire cycle he did in Vienna.

I have the full set.

>>72887656
I would be very thankful if you uploaded that. Please do, thank you.

>>72887673
You wouldn't happen to have an invite to one of those what.cd successors, would you?

>>72887678
I don't, I'm sorry. I have been wanting an invite to passtheheadphones for a while now.

>>72887704
Oh well.

https://mega.nz/#F!hLY2zTpZ!VFEbcLiexi3p11Oem2Gt9w

>>72887720
Thank you very much.

>tfw fritz wunderlich will never record winterreise

>>72887810
Learn necromancy

>>72887853
It's okay anon. According to some people who were brainwashed from an early age, I will live on after I die and go to heaven, where fritz wunderlich will be waiting for me to sing winterreise. I don't really believe that that will happen, but it's a nice idea.

Hey everyone. So I have the complete Deutsche Grammophon The Originals - Legendary Recording collection, volumes 1 and 2. I am not sure where to upload it though, as it's quite large. I meticulously tagged every single album on it, the whole thing is completely tagged with album artwork, album (composer - piece - conductor (and/or performer), orchestra - year (if applicable)), with the composer under the "artist" tag, so it shows up on last.fm as the composer when you scrobble it on last.fm.

I also made a 320kbps rip from the lossless files, of the exact same collection.

>>72867404
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner

>>72888002
mega or soulseek

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>>72887885
Don't forget to bring your fedora.

>>72888047
Trying to download that on soulseek would be ridiculous and horrible for my bandwidth. Maybe I can make a second mega account.

>>72888064
how big?

>>72888169
It's 28 gigs in total. It's over 100 CDs. I could fit it onto one mega account, but my current mega account has no space left.

What is the most intense recording of beethoven's 9th?

>>72888385
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoINrtIWpTA

>>72888397
>>72888397
Is this a joke? I was thinking something much more explosive. This is the slowest interpretation of the 9th I've heard.

>>72888470
This is the way Beethoven should be.

>>72888478
LOL okay

>>72888498
You just don't get it, pleb.

>>72888385
Furtwangler 1942.

>>72888534
I think there's two separate recordings of furtwangler playing the 9th in 1942. I believe one is rather low quality where he plays for himmler and the head of propoganda of the nazis, which is in low quality, and another which is comparatively higher quality.

>>72888385
Markevitch with the Lamoureux Orchestra is pretty fiery.

>>72888385
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tBIkADzHhI

>>72888582
March 1942

>>72887885
>implying people will want to sing secular music in Heaven
Sorry lad.

>>72879788
Just because he disliked jews he wasn't a fascist.
He was very liberal, especially on his late period.

>>72884017
You just gave me examples, thank you, but you didn't define what makes them "meme concert pieces".
Just because they're popular? Because they're "loud"?

So, I can never seem to find a good recording of brahms piano quartet in c minor op. 30 III andante. The only good recording, which I feel is a good interpretation of it, is on youtube uploaded by smalin, and a recording with Menahem Pressler at verbier festival (which has a far superior version of schumann's piano quartet than the one he recorded with the emerson quartet).

I feel like all the versions recorded with the most famous recordings artists are just bad interpretations, totally throwing off the feeling of the music. I hear versions with yo yo ma and isaac stern, and arthur rubinstein, and they play it at this horrible stately tempo. The piece is meant to be the most passionate piece, like it's being played in the throws of the deepest love. So many people seem to fuck up this precious quality.

>"Music should humbly seek to please; within these limits great beauty may perhaps be found. Extreme complication is contrary to art. Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. " Debussy
Opinions?

>>72889735
Well, that certainly is how it feels listening to debussy's music. It's nice to see someone who accomplished what they expect out of music. I think he's right, and anyone who says contrary is a contrarian, and nothing more.

>>72889735
Seek to please whom? The composer? An imagined audience?

>>72889837
The audience, obviously.

>>72889837
THE PERSON LISTENING TO IT YOU MOTHER FUCKING SHIT FOR BRAINS! It wouldn't kill someone to have some reading comprehension now a days, for fuck sake.

>>72889868
Relax, aspergers-kun.

>>72889868
Calm down friend.

>>72889908
>>72889915
I was just joking.

>>72889957
Uh-huh.

>>72889859
>>72889868
Debussy has then failed me by his own criteria. It's stupid to imagine that the composer can "seek to please" anyone but themselves, any receptive ear beyond their own is a bonus.

>>72889783
>anyone who says contrary is a contrarian
that's some airtight logic

>>72890013
So you don't like Debussy?
Just him or you just don't like impressionism?

>>72889735
I don't get debussy. I listen to his music and don't understand why he is so popular

>>72890391
I admire Debussy, mainly for his "neo-modal" approach to harmony, which is about as important to 20th century music as German late romanticism and the Second Viennese "emancipation of the dissonance", but find his actual compositions largely uninteresting. I am a massive Ravel fanboy however. Both composers disliked the term "impressionism" but they're usually lumped together under it anyway. I don't have much of an opinion on it because I've never really understood what it was supposed to be.

>>72889721
Isn't the Rubinstein recording quite fast, though?

>>72890815
Fastness has nothing to do with it. By stately I mean it's played at a steady waltz, like it was some dance at a fancy ball room ala a disney princess movie.

If anything, it shouldn't be rushed, but with more feeling. I especially think there should be more weeping in the violin section. This piece should be played with a burning passion.

>>72890914
>but
but [played]

>>72889721
https://a.uguu.se/IReZ3oHBXQo6.mp3

Try this one.

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I'm not sure it if the right place to ask, but I have this $50 violin that I rarely use. I used to use it for school, until I rented a proper one.

The tailpiece is all kinds of fucked, the bridge isn't cut right and neither is the nut and it has trouble staying in tune. The brand is Crescent

Is there anything I can do with it to get it up to snuff or is it trash?

>>72890955
This piece is good and has a lot of characteristics I like. There's not so many parts I disagree with, as much as I don't know I feel about. I do like how this piece is played with a lot of feeling, not like that waltz crap which ruins the piece as you noticed me saying, which is, I assume, why you chose this piece to show me. There was also the part some time during the middle of the song, during the piano build up and then the strings sort of suddenly climaxing and then briefly fading away, where I did feel that the piano was a bit too slow when it returned. That's something I'm not sure I agree with. I also don't know much much I agree with some parts where I felt that the violin was holding a note for too long, the violinist has the right idea, but the execution feels a bit too generalized. There were times when holding a note for a bit briefer would have given the piece more variety. The mixing quality is also not that great.

7/10. Strong performance, a few disagreements or questionable choices.

>>72891058
I don't know much about violins, but I know that with cheap and poorly made guitars it's usually much more expensive to have it fixed into working order than it is to just buy a new one of good-ish quality.

I just went to rym and punched in "classical music" into the custom list bar, and selected the 2010s. What the fuck is all this garbage? It's literally just soundtracks and miscellaneous post rock shit like "a winged victory for the sullen" and more of that fucking minimalist shit. This is depressing. Please convince me that there's more than absolute garbage being produced in classical music now a days, or more realistically, when the fuck is classical music going to see a revival? Maybe when people stop being fat and stupid, or when pigs fly.

>>72891114
Welp. That's all I have, actually. I thought I had one or two more versions of the piece, but I guess not. Anyway, the performers were the Hollywood Quartet if you want to seek out the set, I think it's on the odeon blog.

>>72891384
Thank you, I will definitely look for it.

>>72891312
You could always check out Donaueschinger Musiktage. It's a festival that sees a lot of premieres from "important" composers, they put out box sets of recordings of their premieres each year. Hit and miss, as you'd expect, but it's about the best you can get in these confused musical times.

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leave Beethoven to me

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>>72891528
psh, step aside kid

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Fideli-what? You call that an opera? That's cute Luddy, but let a pro handle this

>>72891384
>odeon blog
?

>>72891707
http://recordedmusicweb.blogspot.com/

ctrl + F "odeon"

>>72891723
Thanks.

Mendelssohn's F minor quartet makes me feel the sturm und drang in my pants

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Alright, recoment me some stuff by this faggot that's actually good and doesn't sound like boring second rate mozart.

>>72891862
Late Masses, The Creation

>>72891862

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeyS72SZC3s

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>>72891862
>Second rate mozart
>Im-fucking-plying
Listen to his piano sonatas.

>>72891862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCXg8xo31h0

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favorite Liszt performers/recordings?

>>72892222
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCojNjuX0D8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x_qfSF7WWU

>>72891888
>>72891955
>>72891984
>>72892154
thanks

Reminder to listen to all 99CDs of Howard's complete survey of Liszt's piano music if you want to consider yourself a true Liszt fan

>>72889735
Debussy, being Debussy, had very precise artistic goals, that fit perfectly his personality, talents, attitudes and desires.

As such, this advice is useful only for Debussy, while it would be useless to Ravel.

The source of art in that statement is not the content of that statement, but the existence of the statement itself. Once you have an idea, a comprehensive vision of what music should sound like, you can progressively and deliberatly tend to that idea theough your craft, and that's what Debussy did. If you've got a different vision, you'll get to a different, excessively specific definition of art.

>>72879788
>das lied von der erde is possibly my favorite composition of all time), I find tristan und isolde incredibly boring.
what the fuck. das lied wouldn't even exist without tristan

>>72893072
It's better, that's all I'm saying. Btw, people seem to think that I study compositions. I'm flattered, but I don't study music. Tristan und Isolde is what, 5 hours long? Not to mention it has no memorable parts whatsoever. I've gathered from a comment in this thread that it's meant to be watched along with listened to, and I imagine that it would make more sense if you could understand the language it's sung in. I'm sure it's brilliant and exceptionally good in terms of it's lyrical content. However I don't even read the lyrics when I listen to Das Lied Von Der Erde, and I still enjoy the hell out of that performance, because it is just so well composed. I think Tristan Und Isolde is an extremely boring composition, I sat through the entire thing once and it just became background noise to me. Plus, I did not slog through that gargantuan album only to be pestered, if anything I deserve praise, for having so much patience.

>>72893649
You're a massive plebeian. Das Lied Von Der Erde is a pseudo-symphony. Its poem is entirely secondary to the music. Again: why would you listen to an opera as you would listen to a symphony?

>I deserve praise
You deserve being called an idiot because that's what you are.

>>72893858
Oh, how could I have been so naive? Your excellence, yours is truly the superior mind. I cower and cringe in your presence, for my mind is but an insignificant humunculi compared to yours. Please, use my mouth as a toilet.

>>72893649
>However I don't even read the lyrics when I listen to Das Lied Von Der Erde, and I still enjoy the hell out of that performance, because it is just so well composed

Not half as well composed as any of Wagner's operas. You seem to have a shit attention span and a worse memory.

Too bad.

>>72893903
Yes your magnificence, yes. I beg of you, pee in my mouth.

>>72893898
All you've said is "I get bored" in so many words. Comparing a symphonic lieder cycle with an opera is plain dumb. They're entirely different genres.

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>>72893649
>Tristan und Isolde is what, 5 hours long? Not to mention it has no memorable parts whatsoever

lmoa what? Even if for some reason you don't count the prelude or the liebestod the act 2 duet is still memorable.

You fags are getting baited again. Probably by the same guy who whined about Tristan a couple weeks back.

>>72893981
I'm pretty sure that that's an extremely honest account of how Wagner is percieved by uneducated plebs like him
He is actually telling us his opinion of Tristan und Isolde, without applying no degree of skepticism to it.

Is Liszt the best looking composer of all time?
(no homo)

>>72893649
Tristan und Isolde is 3 hours long iirc.
You don't need to understand the lyrics to appreciate its brillance (they're not that special), in fact, the prelude and the liebestod are one of the most accessible pieces of all the Wagner repertoire.

It might seem boring to you because the impressive thing about Tristan und Isolde is precisely that it goes for 3 hours without a satisfactory resolution, only when the two lovers met from the Act 2 onwards the music approaches something resembling a conclusion, and in the second act it gets interrupted, it's not until the very end of the whole opera that you get the climax.

>>72894042
Oh, it's actually 4 hours long.

>>72894042
You're talking about very different things. That guy could not hear musical development if you held his hand through it. He couldn't care less that the opera has no musical finale until the actual finale of the story.

>>72889735
He's right desu
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esy3zK6L5Qs

>>72893649
>I don't even read the lyrics when I listen to Das Lied Von Der Erde
try reading thru the texts for this with a german and english translation side by side while listening. you think you like it now, the music is informed by the text and vice versa.
then do the same for tristan und isolde. you'll discover something new about both, i promise.

>>72891862
https://youtu.be/eDxiNSV5V-E?t=3942

>>72891862
Stabat Mater

>>72888470
Cobra is a meme

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>tfw getting into Brahms' chamber music

Underrated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8eMrY8xJLg

>>72889151
popular = meme
unpopular = image macro

>>72896367
Brahms' chamber music is infinitely better than his symphonic work. But I suppose infinity X 0 = 0 lmao

>>72889151
>define meme concert piece
A piece that is mentioned a lot for reasons other than the music itself, usually with crossover to plebland for exactly that reason. An example of a meme composition is Beethoven's 9th which is popular among plebs because
>muh he composed the last part when he was deaf
or anything Mozart because
>muh listening to his music makes you smart
or
>muh boy genius

>>72896948
>muh boy genius
Literally this. Pergolesi's shit sucks ass and yet he was hailed by dilettantes just because he was a """prodigy"""

>>72896864
lls

>>72869661
piece that's flashy and technical but has little to no substance

lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9JdSox60o

>>72894071
3'3X if the conductor is being reasonable.

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Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJwkrqZn6c

>>72883158
ayy lmao

>>72896948
Ok, but most of the pieces mentioned on >>72884017 don't have a particularly popular narrative.
Rachmaninoff 2nd is very popular and gets memed a ton and has no story to it.

>>72894031
Yes and I would suck his dick (no homo).

>>72898045
>most of the pieces mentioned on >>72884017
are not memes.

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Any love for Monteverdi here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxcMZl6YwNs

This might be my favourite piece of all time. The sublime part starts around 1:50 but you should listen to the build up as well

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What's the best recording of Stauss' Metamorphosen?

>>72898778
I have Furtwangler, Slowik, and Klemperer and I'm perfectly satisfied with those.

>>72898564
Love his operas and madrigals.

>>72898778
furtwangler, krauss, karajan

What's a good place to start with Schoenberg?

>>72899357
Verklarte Nacht and the First Chamber Symphony, then try the Second String Quartet, the Serenade, and the Piano Concerto.

>>72899465
Add.: With this progression you'll have a fairly easy time following his progression from an accomplished master of German late romanticism to the enfant terrible of modernism, and with the Piano Concerto his eventual reconciliation of the so-called "atonal" style with a kind of neo-classicism.

Things to bear in mind: Schoenberg is heavily indebted to both Wagner and Brahms, as well as Mahler (though Mahler's influence is more deeply felt in the music of Berg, one of Schoenberg's most important associates). He uses a dense contrapuntal style which emphasises constant motivic development, but don't sweat following each line right away, it's rich music that rewards repeat listens.

What would be a good piano piece to learn on about the same level as Dvorak's Humoresque?

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80_%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%84%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9/borodin__liadov__glazunov__scriabin_and_kabalevsky/

anyone have this?

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Post Beethoven

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>>72897017
>Pergolesi's shit sucks ass
DELET THIS

>>72888397
based cobra to the rescue

>>72887885
It's true, when you ascend you are able to sing better than Wunderlich, or summon his spirit if you wanna indulge like that, it's a realm of possibilities

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>>72900207
>Stabat Mater outdone by A. Scarlatti
>violin sonatas/concertos outdone by Vivaldi
>concerti grossi outdone by Wassenaer
>can't do anything right
>literally the definition of a meme
Glad he died so young desu.

>>72899850
meme music for normies who can't listen to counter melodies

'rage over a lost penny is gooood he was a genius xDDDDD'
>actually has a decent melodic idea
>furiously bashes away at voicings instead of creating a counter melody
>repeats theme infinitely

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GET THE FUCK OUT

Is this considered contemporary classical music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYhySafAt6A

>>72900515
It's certainly presented and consumed as such by people whose idea of classical music never leaves the confines of the extremely limited range of pieces broadcast on classic.fm. I don't think anyone considers it to be "serious" contemporary music, however.

>>72900602
Yeah it sounds too I don't know, easy?

>>72900652
It's basically muzak putting on airs. It's a shame that some composers felt the need to go to such extremes to resist the developments made by the post-war avant garde. Surely there is good new music to be made in the space between this and Ferneyhough, but no one seems to be claiming it.

>>72867333
Only thing of value on /mu/

>>72897343
What's substance in music?

>>72867224
Where can I download them?

>>72900847
rihm comes to mind

>>72901586
Rihm is interesting, at least what I have heard, though I can't say I'm all that familiar with his work.

Turbopleb here

Where can I find other stuff like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6bSrGbak1g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OvsVSWB4TI

I've watched the operas those are from but nothing in there really struck me as much as those two songs did

I realize they're super entry level

you DO support your local classical public radio station, right /classical/?

>>72901918
they're kind of awful desu

they play lots of sousa, kinda loud marching music

we're all a bunch of bloody yankees

>>72901740
he is one of my favorite contemporary composers so his name comes easy to me
might as well add in saariaho, rautavaara, and rochberg.

theres one other composer im forgetting but cant remember...

>>72901958
may have been ivan erod. another name is bent sorensen. anyway, point is theres plenty of composers in between who experimented with different styles (old and/or pop). question is just whether theyre good or not.

Anyone have all those Sabata recordings made in Berlin by chance?

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>>72899357
pic related: 5 pieces for orchestra

>>72902206
what do you mean by Berlin?

>>72899465
Best recordings of these pieces?

>>72903729
LaSalle for Verklarte Nacht
Gielen for the Chamber Symphony
Arditti for the String Quartet
Craft for the Serenade
Boulez/Uchida for the Piano Concerto

>>72903729
Too many to choose from.

Verklärte Nacht; Hollywood Quartet (composer approved), LaSalle, Slowik/Smithsonian (both versions are great), Klemperer, Karajan...

Chamber Symphony; Scherchen, Slowik, de Leeuw

String Quartet(s); Kolisch (the "perfect" performance, according the Schoenberg), LaSalle, Juilliard, Petersen. There's also an orchestral version with Mitropoulos that may be worth hearing. It's with Varnay.

Not so sure about the Serenade and Piano Concerto. I don't listen to etiher of those often enough to recommend an interpretation.

>>72903794
>>72903876
Thank you

>>72902531
I'm assuming he's referring to the 1939 recordings he made with the Berlin Phil.

I think Pristine has those all collected on one set, but no one else. I only have the Brahms 4 from that Andante set (flat pitch) myself.

Man, whoever did that Heifetz/Feuermann Brahms Double transfer for RCA needs to be shot

Like, they didn't even try

>>72904104
i have this
http://www.allmusic.com/album/release/victor-de-sabata-mr0002669964
its not that good though, and theres nothing special about the pearl transfers. and i like de sabata.

>>72904370
I'll probably eventually buy the Obert-Thorn Pristine transfer anyway, but thanks.

>>72904370
Original requester here, sorry but I'm still on the train back from class
I don't mind bad transfers, can you please upload? Would be appreciated

Signal here is bad so I probably won't see it until I get home.

>>72896948
>>72898124
>>72898124
There is no set definition of what is a 'meme' piece
I said they were popular pieces overplayed. Other posted said they were pieces where the background is more important than the music.
By his definition, all Mozart is "meme" so its a pretty shitty definition.
Probably there are other definitions: like pieces that are more popular than the music merits - like Holst's planets or Ravel's Bolero.

>>72904201
what?

>>72904432
ill try to find it.

>>72904753
>what?
The side breaks are extremely obnoxious. Not only are the transitions simply not there or half-assed, but the equalization between the breaks can sound significantly different too. Almost to the point where I'd suspect that some of the breaks were recorded on different days, with different microphones; so drastic is the change in the overall sound portrait. To be fair, though, this is mostly noticeable in the first movement.

https://f.lewd.se/fd2Sdv.mp3

I dunno. Just seems like a bit of a lazy transfer. I haven't heard any other ones to compare it to, however.

>>72904911
what album is this on?

>>72904928
It's from that recent box set collection of Heifetz. Which I suspect is mostly just a re-issue of their older set from the 90s.

>>72904955
after the early 2000 or so rach box set i stopped paying attention to any of rca's newer retransfers.

Someone give me some recs for something moving, moody, or sad. Possibly similar to say
>Borodin's String Quartet no2
>Barber's Adagio for strings
>Rachmaninoff's Symphony no2

>tfw I keep hearing what I think is the opening to the final movement of a piano concerto but I just can't remember enough to place it