Prog rock vs. post rock

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>>72834488
What exactly is the distinction between the two?

>>72834503
Post rock is what post rock fans grow into when they discover atmosphere.

>>72834529
I assume you mean prog rock fans, and that sounds about right.

>>72834488
Post rock, prog is for faggy dweebs

prog rock (most of the time) puts the emphasis on technical skill as opposed to creativity while post rock isn't really defined enough.


prog rock definers
Yes
King Crimson
Genesis
Jethro Tull

Prog outliers and bands that are progressive but not in the style of the bigger bands

Pink Floyd
Soft Machine
Magma
Can

Post rock definers
GYBE
mogwai
Sigur Ros


Post rock outliers
Swans (soundtracks for the blind and a couple live albums)
talk talk
disco inferno

I prefer post-rock. Haven't really heard enough prog to really say I'm huge into it, but post-rock is really just the natural progression from Prog.

>>72834488
prog rock could be tiring and overblown, but it's quite interesting

post rock? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. only drone is more boring than this stupid genre.

prog rock is better

have the underage faggots already got in this thread yet

first wave postrock

>>72834488
Post-rock is a subgenre of prog rock

>>72834783
Have you listened to GY!BE?

Prog, post-rock is punk musicians realizing prog is better but they don't have the talent needed, so instead the play one or two notes for extended period of time and get their music journalist buddies to come up with some pretentious label.

>>72834798
Post rock is a sub-genre of rock, and there is a distinction between prog and post rock.

>>72834827
epic post man xdddd

>>72834827
>I've never listened to post-rock

>>72834830
>there is a distinction between prog and post-rock
Yes, the former is broader and encompasses the latter.

>>72834856
Post rock is progressive, but when you say prog rock you're not talking about post rock. Are you just not able to answer the question in the OP, do you not have an opinion??

>>72834914
Maybe if you're a pleb who conflates prog with symphonic prog. In that case post-rock is clearly better.

>>72834827
Even if all post rock artists were less talented than prog rock artists, that would just show that talent doesn't always create enjoyable music.

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Well, this exists so post-rock wins by default. Krautrock and avant-prog have a fair share of gems worth picking through.
>>72834798
Yeh.

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Name one(1) post-rock album better than pic related

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>>72835085
Laughing Stock

>>72835108
This. Also perhaps Lift Your Skinny Fists. Which isn't to say I don't also love Close to the Edge.

>>72834813
yes. boooooooooooooooring. i'd rather stick to something good like fsol and autechre.

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>>72835159
All that shows is your taste doesn't span a very wide range.

Prog Rock, obviously.
Post Rock is good but 70% of it sounds the same and most of its fans are just a bunch of faggot teens.

>>72835201
I mean, you could argue that 70% of most music sounds like it others from its respective genres

>>72834813
>I don't like [genre]
>Have you listened to [most entry-level and overrated band in aforementioned genre]
Are you retarded m8

>>72835225
>Prog
>Metal
>Jazz
Even Metal subengenres have subgenres as well and they sound totally different. Same with Jazz, but not as much as Metal desu. Idk if you get my point.

>>72834488
Prog of yesteryear > Post rock.
Post rock of today > Prog of today
Post Metal of today > post rock of today

I like prog rock but I gotta admit that outside of bands like King Crimson and Rush the genre's kind of lame

>>72835262
They're famous and their fans are pretentious as fuck but come on, the band is still pretty good.

>>72835267
We'll if we're going to go with that, all post-rock is a sub genre of prog rock, making it more specific and differentiating it from all the other rock sub genres that are out there

>>72835201
Pram, Talk Talk, Slint and Tortoise sound nothing alike

>>72835276
You haven't listened to enough Prog then.

>>72835298
Give me some bands to listen to then

>>72835286
I don't remember saying 100%

>>72835310
Porcupine Tree / No Sound / Votum / Sylvan / Riverside / Regent / Deep Limbic System / Frost* / Thank You Scientist / The Pineapple Thief / Iamthemorning / Subsignal / Tiles (very similar to Rush) / The Mars Volta

>when someone around me implies that post rock and progressive rock aren't the same thing

ummmm, yeah no
i dont think so sweetie....

Just a little FYI..
All of the below genres are SYNONYMOUS with progressive rock:


>Experimental Rock
>Psychedelic Rock
>Art Rock
>Post Rock


That means everything from Radiohead to The Swans to David Bowie is progressive rock and falls under the same umbrella definition for the genre.

>>72835570
stop saying they are similar. post-rock is minimalist whilst prog is inherently maximalist.

>>72835605
Explain how Close to the Edge is maximalist. I'll wait. Oh, let me guess, you only count things as prog if they fit your narrow view of the genre?

Sigh...

Go back and read the definition for the term "P R O G R E S S I V E" and get back to me little one ^^

>>72835605
Both wrong.

>>72835605
>minimalist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5rAwQmCwJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMezOwBpuh8

>>72835605
hes right. any rock that progresses the genre above classic rock/blues/southern rock is progressive rock. that includes experimentation, psychedelic influences, artistic composition, minimal production, etc

>>72835605
>swans is minimalist

>>72835641
TOP KEK. You realize that the album was released after 2 years of pioneering the genre right?
also
>it's wrong because these couples of bands do not apply to that rule.
yeah...

Prog

Post rock is a meme

>>72835726
ok so you admit to being wrong. NICE!!

who wants to try next?

>>72835570
Wrong. Progressive rock necessarily has progressive song structures. Experimental rock and art rock are both vague umbrella terms that hardly mean anything. Psychedelic rock is music that attempts to musically replicate the effects of psychedelic drugs that can have the simplest of pop structures. Post-rock is a subgenre of prog that places a focus on timbre and texture and is clearly distinct from the likes of Yes and Gentle Giant.

prog rock, the only memorable bands I've heard from post rock were tortoise and early stereolab

prog rock has floyd, faust, can, king crimson, and robert wyatt in the genre

>>72835745
did it pass over your head or something? jeez

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>>72835776
>swans and gybe dontt have progressive song structure

>>72835795
but post has gastr del sol, slint, talk talk, and starfuckers

>>72835804
thanks for replying but the point still stands that you are
!Wrong!!
give me another if you'd like ;9

>>72835085
L I T E R A L L Y all of them

>>72835812
you're so dumb aren't you?

>>72835776
doesn't that make captain beefheart progressive

>>72835177
>implying i posted all my fave artists

>>72835795
t. never listened to Pram, Dirty Three, Talk Talk or Gastr del Sol

having some prog elements doesn't make a band progressive rock. is it progressive (by the literal definition of the word)? yes. is prog rock? no

what if it's a progressive post-rock album

>>72835891
big if true

Post rock musicians draw those prog elements back and keep the musical limits and boundaries at more of a minimum (with the exception of bands).
Prog rock musicians can put some ambient or metallic elements in their songs, does it make them Metal or Ambient?

>>72835904
progressive post-rock album >< progressive rock album with post rock influences

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I prefer Post-Rock desu. I can't really get into Prog. It's too campy.

Also, I thought Post was a subgenre of Prog?

>>72835812
Who are you quoting

>>72835958
can be prog metal

>>72835993
maybe old prog metal. MOST new prog metal is just wank and djent-ing around with super annoying vocals.

>>72836029
but the question is not old vs new, it's whether or not.

>>72835963
it is. progressive rock is just any rock that doesn't sound like dadrock. thats the fact and /mu has to pretend to be special snowflakes and circlejerk their nu-male post rock shit and pretend its something new and groundbreaking

>>72836046
but post-rock can be something new and groundbreaking

Post rock is Ambient Rock which is by definition the same thing as Prog Rock. That is all.

>>72836075
but post-rock doesn't mean ambient rock

>>72836066
lol
>>72836087
^wroong~

>>72836096
there's plenty of post-rock releases that aren't ambient though

>>72836042
The Mars Volta and Porcupine Tree use ambient elements quite often, does that make them Ambient? no
but to answer your question tho.. if it's on the whole album and the metallic elements are dominant and appear more than prog elements then yes, that does make the album a Prog Metal one, or it can be just a song.

>>72836075
here goes the dumbest shit i've read all day.

>>72835159
>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>boooooooooooooooooooooring
>mentions completely different bands in completely different genres
Can we please ban this faggot

>>72835262
that would be Slint

>>72835274
only 1 of those is correct

>>72836414
Prog of yesteryear > Post rock
yeah, we know...

>>72835673
the point of the word 'progressive' is that it is unified in concept and is intended to be interpreted the same way a story would be, with a beginning middle and end. post rock throws this out the window; in fact collage and disparate genre changes are to post rock what indulgent instrumentation and pacing are to prog.

>>72834488
prog is for people who are too dumb for jazz and post rock for the ones who are too dumb for classical (or too young etc)

>>72836494
what about modern classical

>>72836096
There's a "shitpost" and then there's a "shit post".

This is the latter

>>72836494
t. doesn't listen to jazz or classical

>>72836597
What about it?

>>72836597
i think that's an either/or my friend

>>72835435
Damn you got nice taste anon

>>72835904
>>72835958
You mean like Crippled Black Phoenix

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>>72835262
>most entry-level and overrated
Good one, my dude.

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>>72835435
Don't forget Yes.

>>72835667
Are you actually calling Sweet Trip post rock?

>>72835869
This is a thread about rock genres and you're talking about Autechre. That's all I really needed to know.

>>72834488
Gy!be is the only good post rock band though

>>72837202
And maybe mogwai

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>>72837237
Talk Talk?

>>72834488
Post is more patrician because at least prog rock has some catchy songs.

>>72834813
that's the one I tried to hear. Kek

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>>72837202
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>>72837202
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>>72837245
nope all three suck my ass

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>>72837483
Don't discredit an entire genre just because of your personal preferences.

>>72837502
oh damn son i'd want to suck your ass haha

*slrups*

>>72837502
how about u suck my ass, faggot.

>>72837706
>>72837673
>>72837502
oh my, all this talk of sucking ass is GIVING ME THE VAPOURS oh lawdy yes haha

THE FATHER VERSUS THE SON
THE CREATOR VERSUS THE CREATED
DAY VERSUS NIGHT
GOD VERSUS MAN

>>72834529
It's more like people start listening to prog rock after being introduced to classic rock when they were younger, then they discover post rock afterward when they explore indie/alt rock.

>>72837120
yes, though that particular song is especially post-rock-ish

>>72834488
obviously prog

I thought post rock was a name to described an area of rock music using newer/ more advanced techniques, not necessarily a genre. Wouldn't most post rock music fall under prog rock anyways or am i missing something??

>>72839959
post-rock is the natural progression of prog rock

>>72838230
Yep this describes me to well

>>72834488
I'm going to do something for myself today and not read this thread.
People hating post-rock is one of the few things I just can't handle.

>>72834665
That's the most wrong thing I've ever heard

Creativity and technical skills are both equally valued in good progressive rock

modern prog rock > modern post rock even though both of them suck dick

classic post rock > classic prog rock

post rock is only good when mixed with math rock

but it's still better than prog rock.

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I like my favorite Prog albums more than I like my favorite Post Rock albums.