did they deserve it?

>multiple allegations
>pride yourself on being a bastion for social justice and queer rights
>don't deny the allegations

I mean if they didn't do it, why wouldn't they just deny it?

>pretends to be queer to get pucci and success
Whatever happened, they were definitely /ourguys/

The way the music scene handles these things is so lame. I am not a fan of any band who has been accused, but it's sad that accusations are all it takes for the whole scene to turn on you and condemn you

I like their music, gonna get back to it later this year when they are erased from the face of earth

I said in the thread yesterday the music seemed really calculating and try hard.
They cultivated an audience of sjw's who think everything is rape and think men are guilty until prove innocent.

They went down fast because of who their audience is, eternally agitated snowflakes.

What did these guys do?

He did it for the nookie

>>72766907
<the music scene

lol, this is only if you have an audience of tumbler fags.

chris brown beat the shit out of rhianana and he still has fans

>>72766907
in their explanation letter they didn't deny that the guy did the things he was accused of -- quite the contrary actually.

>>72766832

It's nuts that accusations without any concrete proof are all that it takes to get you slandered

As soon as the story came out I saw so many fans of the band on facebook "disavowing" these guys

It feels like you can tell these people anything and they'll believe it no problem

>pretending to care about a scene that you don't you don't actually care about just because you like to chase drama

protip: you are just like tumblr

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I can't believe the dopey CEO of nu-male central Stereogum made such problematic comments about this - very sad!

>>72767000
i dont care, im just loling at a bunch of libtard imploding.
The germans call it schadenfreude you plebe

>>72766996
The flipside though is that it can be dangerous to not believe anyone who makes these kinds of allegations. Rape allegations are a very boy cried wolf situation but the truth is that there are a lot of people who are sexually assaulted/raped by people they previously knew and they never do anything about it because they're too traumatized and they're worried that the perpetrator will somehow harm them again. I'm usually wary on these things (I didn't turn on Gira when Larkin Grimm went crazy) but with the combination of number of allegations and the way they responded, it points toward Ben being guilty

I finally figured it out, the lead fags singing voice reminds me of they might be giants, but like a shitty version that sings about emojis and texting and being a millennial snowflake

>>72767056

That's true, it's important to not treat these people like they're invincible just because they're celebrities

On the other hand it's a little unnerving how quickly some of these people will turn on somebody they liked previously as soon as allegations come to light

Reminds me of the whole debacle with the mattress girl at Columbia where it turned out the guy didn't even do anything but still got dragged through the mud for months

>>72767099
I think the difference this time around is that there's been multiple people coming forward at this point. While it could be people joining in just because, there have been people who are part of their scene/people who went to Bard with them that have been making some of the claims against their character. There's a huge difference between one person's story and a bunch of people coming together. It's crazy how fast it happened but that seems to be because Ben would frequently say things like "kill your local rapist" and "our concerts are a safe space"

if i were a musician i wouldn't want sjw's as an audience, then you have to live by their standards, i want them to think im god and they were wrong for not pleasing me

i call it the hillary clinton special

>>72767000
they're worse

>>72766996
what kind of proof would be sufficient?

>>72767355
semen

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Well, looks like the scheme to bring back rock music as sjw garbage failed

>>72766939
>snowflakes

>>>/facebook/

>>72767029
Why would he say this when After Laughter literally came out on the same day?

>>72766832
The guy was a fucking idiot for being pals with feminists and fooling around with them

>>72766855
excellent reasoning friendo

>>72767388
I came to the Epiphany the other day that the music elites rejection of rock music has made them lose control over the rock and metal genres, no one takes p4k seriously on those genres anymore.
The age of poptmism, edm, and trap is getting stale.
I smell a scheme were they were trying to bring back rock music but only really faggy sjw rock music.
But now its died in the womb because the sjw audience are idiots.

If any of the 6 corporations that control mass media are reading this can you manufacture an industrial rock revival?
Been on a real nine inch nails kick lately.

>>72767355

Dunno, but I'd still prefer if somebody's word wasn't all that was needed to ruin somebody's career

>>72766939
>try-hard

'try' reading a book you fucking mongoloid.

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>>72767219
kek

>>72767773
the big thing here is they didn't deny it

any innocent person would've started off by denying it. they literally just started damage control immediately and that's what killed them.

>>72767171
Where are the multiple people? Only one person was featured in the Jezebel article, and the rest are "friend of a friend of a friend"

>>72766832
no idead what they did but i thought ppl were done with the 'dropping' vowels from their names

The only queer kids I care about are the thin cute biologically female but androgynous ones, the rest of the scene can grow the fuck up

>queer album is hyped
>/mu/ hates it
>rape allegations
>suddenly /mu/ oves it
well, I guess /polmu/ isn't a myth

>>72766832
I used to think they didn't deserve it, but now the more I look into it it begins to look more and more like Ben really did do it and Liv helped cover it up.

So yes, they 100% deserved everything.

>>72766855
This

>>72767041
Absolutely pathetic

I've no idea who these people are

>>72766832

Well if the allegations are true then yes. If not, then no.

>>72766832
It sounds a bit like a load of rubbish , i'd have had them play on

>>72766907
Assaulting minors that are their audience isn't a thing to come back from usually. Don't make advances to underage children.

>>72767029
>you can't enjoy music because of things the creators did

kek

>>72766832
Can someone give me a quick rundown?

album is still good tho.

>>72767029
>too bad yr not my editor
Based

>>72766832
canada is so fucking retarded and gay

>>72766907
I think it was less the accusations, and more how they handled it, as >>72766855 said

>>72767650
He's not wrong

>>72770052
>Ben (guitarist/singer) is accused of raping a girl
>PWR BTTM put out a statement encouraging people to email them to talk through the accusations
>Statement doesn't actually include any sort of denial of the allegations
>People start to think that he actually did it
>They start getting dropped by labels, tourmates, etc

>>72768191
>suddenly /mu/ loves it
Really? Pretty sure most of /mu/ has never heard of these faggots before this.

>>72770186
they did do it. its normal in the queer/lgbtq community for this shit. but the media keeps it hush hush

Copying and pasting this from the last thread:

What's come out is sadly enough. The issue with accusations like this is that they only have to be made for them to have an effect. Releasing these statements and choosing not to go to the police is always the best movie if you're looking to take down someone, as SJWs have a book of excuses to leave out the law because it theoretically brings up trauma for the victims. Then, if the accused wants to sue for libel, since, you know, their livelihood is being ruined they will look like an asshole no matter what.

The truth is, if you're a budding artist with legit chances at success, you should just shroud yourself in mystery out of your music. Only stay in the DIY scene to play shows, then live out your personal life completely detached from that scene, as it's chock full of attention-starved SJWs waiting for the next "abuser" to take down so they can get a week's worth of self-satisfaction before they fall back into their worthlessness.

The reason Larkin Grimm didn't succeed in ruining Michael Gira's career is that he's already 60 and has spent over half his life building relationships with his bandmates, fans, past lovers and industry people, enough so that they could all speak to him and infer for themselves that the accusation was most likely false. In addition to that, he had already confirmed that Glowing Man was gonna be the last true Swans album, therefore the last thing for music media to hype, so there wasn't as much of an impact to be had from taking him down. Even so, Swans still missed out on a BNM and lost fans anyway.

My guess for this whole PWR BTTM thins is that all the attention they were getting went to Ben's head, to the point where he was acting like any generic musician asshole in his social circles. Someone with a grudge to bear noticed he was very friendly and open with his fans, and decided to crack the perfect accusation and time it just right to throw everything into shit.

>>72770186
Aren't they a queercore band though? Why would they rape a girl? My only assumption is that at least one of them was pretending to be homosexual to make their wrongdoings appear unlikely - or at least something of the sort.

oucch

>>72770206
>The truth is, if you're a budding artist with legit chances at success, you should just shroud yourself in mystery out of your music.
are you kidding me. you can't do that anymore unless you make electronic shit.
mac demarco rode to success based on being the complete opposite of that.
these guys are fucktards. stop giving bad advice

>>72770220
queer has NOTHING to do with being gay/straight.
you can be queer and straight

>>72770237
What, I always believed they were synonymous, or is this some new pro-LGBT thing?

>>72770250
no its never been like that. its the equivalent of thinking all black eat fried chicken 24/7

>>72770205
well he probably did, but I was just going based on what's verifiable

>>72770257
So queer is just another way of saying you're confused?

>>72770220
There's really two possibilities: one is that he's bi, the other is that he's straight but is using the whole queer thing to get laid and get successful, which I really, really hope is the one that it is.

>>72770271
pretty much. tho obvs pwr bttm marketed themselves harder on the gay side for profit.
but they could still be bi-sexual with a strong preferences for underage girls while being queer

LMAO literally just listen to Bowling for Soup if PRW BTTM is too problematic for you now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K38xNqZvBJI

they even did the tranny shit first

>>72767029
The fact that we're 5500 years into civilization and we still can't separate an artist's output from their personal life is pretty funny.
>fans assuming the worst because of some unproved allegations and missing denials
>their label trying to play the good guys by dropping them without proof and giving money to organizations as if they were some kind of literally-hitlers
is pitiable conduct.

Reminds me of when people on RYM write Burzum reviews and they're like "Damn, this is good, but he killed some people so I guess it's a lower score".
You have the right to make music, it's shit, whatever, you're a shit human being too, but I'd be lying if I said Mark Kozelek was a terrible musician because he harasses women at concerts and he said his fans are trainer-wearing fatasses once.

Let's say I don't stand with them (Their music is probably shit and they're probably shit people too, and only doing it for the money or something like some people are saying here, I won't even give them the benefit of the doubt) but I stand against idiots, corrupt journalist vermin circles and moralists who jump at everything at first sight.

what the fugg is nonbinary and how is that different from queer
what is queer

>>72770220
exactly

he's a predator, like from the movies. he sees the pussy glowing hot in with his infrared vision. Then uses his I'm queer cloaking device to lure the pussy close enough for him to attack.

and he does it for sport, for fun because it makes him feel powerful, like a different species

I hope he gets the death penalty

>>72767000
yea lets have another spiderland thread shall we

reminder "diy spaces" are microcosms of communist societies and this crabs-in-a-bucket thing happens all the time

>>72770386
nonbinary means you're somehow neither a man or a woman and queer is a word for indecisive gay people

>>72770386
queer is just lol im so random nobody understands me. but they crossdress and all come from rich families unlike the poor goth/punk kids

>>72770423
i feel so behind the times
i'm just a vanilla faggot who likes benis

>>72770446
just tell ppl ur queer. for extra points

>>72770446
You're probably just an interesting enough person that you don't need to give yourself 50 different made up labels and walk around with them on a sign above your head while calling anyone who questions them a bigot.

>>72766996
>As soon as the story came out I saw so many fans of the band on facebook "disavowing" these guys
Well, since there are mutliple allegations, there's still no denial, and it seems like they actually tried to cover up the whole thing for several months, I don't think it's unfair for fans to disavow them and for management, touring members and opening acts to drop them like they're doing.

>>72770451
this

invite young girls to your house for innocent sleepovers. Then when they are most vulnerable show her the meaning of hard daddy. Be sure to have an actual hrt Transwoman best friend to help you negotiate the aftermath and lend credibility to the whole routine.

good hunting!

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>>72770582
I like the way you think anon

from what i gather being a queer is a mentally ill straight person who wants to cosplay being a gay victim.

>>72770633
wtf i want to label myself as queer now

Honestly, we should all just be happy that some sjw bitch was raped. That is, if it's even true, which it's probably not.

>>72767355
A rape kit

A report to the police shortly after it occurred, with a detailed account of the assault

Casually accusing someone of an assault months after the fact with few verifiable details makes for a shit case

>>72770633
Wikipedia says it's "an umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities who are not heterosexual or not cisgender."

Lol these faggots were LITERALLY literallywhos until these allegations came out.

>>72766832
>did they deserve it?
yes they did
their victims didnt deserve to be raped though

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>>72767676
>767676

>>72770236
death grips success was based around mystique and "epic black tattoo man"

>>72772328
you realize they're a electronic band right?
those samples aren't coming out of thin air

Are there any good queercore bands whose members aren't fuckers?

>>72770014
this
people on /mu/ still listen to gg allin unironically and he is the biggest peace of shit on the planet

>>72766939
>eternally agitated snowflakes
i'll take good names for a band for 500, alex

>>72773664
both G.L.O.S.S. and HIRS are good, although idk if the members haven't raped anyone

>>72770446
going of what >>72770461 said
plus you have parents that give enough shits about you to give you some form of attention

>>72774623
GLOSS is cool cause trans representation but they make shitty music. hundreds of better hardcore punk bands out there

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>>72774220
>people on /mu/ still listen to gg allin unironically and he is the biggest peace of shit on the planet

i just realized that much like gg allin, /mu/ and 4chan in general are biggest pieces of shit on the planet. They just think its funny when someone does something that "triggers the normies"

This website is autistic as fuck

>>72766880
they would've been /ourguys/ if they didnt rape people probably, desu the fact that he pretended to be gay is pretty funny. the rape however, isnt

>>72775074
This. /mu/ is literally worse than ISIS

>>72766952
Fucked kids allegedly

Does anybody have that pic with Ben and the swastika. Asking for a friend.

>>72775207
like teenagers or actual kids

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>>72775226
Found it

What the actual fuck are these people supposed to be? Trannies? I listened to their music, and it's average sjw pop "punk". Why were they getting such a push?

This generation is fucked if these "women" are supposed to be the the best rock music has to look forward too

Hell yeah

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XE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>72776716
Fuck this guy

>>72775617
Don't cut yourself on all that edge there.

>>72775229
toddlers and infants. some as young as one (1).