/classical/

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg89iVXuQk4

Toscanini > DeSabata

>>72763502
Petzold*

>>72764492
sometimes, sometimes not

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDBPfhG-gVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tHqbdO04_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSKkglNwQEU

Nth for I haven't even started on my Vivaldi chart yet.

Which Bach cantatas are the best

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>dude counterpoint lmao
>dude harmony lmao

Was he a hack?

Rare Schnabel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9SI9d7ihyM

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>>72766394
DUDE
SLOW AND NON HARMONIOUS MUSIC

WEIRD AS FUCK AND MODERN
SO GENIUS

>>72766570
Yeah, I hate renaissance music too.

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>>72766615
>renaissance
>non harmonious
t. retard

>>72766686
Why are you calling people names?

>>72766017
BWV4 is my fav out of the ones I've heard

>>72766295
>Was he a hack?
the exact opposite.

more like
>dude tasteful melodies lmao
>dude 10/10 harmony lmao
>dude immaculate chord function lmao
>dude immaculate voice leading lmao
>dude fugues that still haven't been topped 200+ years later lmao
>dude perfect balance of technical and emotional lmao
>dude I just work as a servant for god and the church lmao, nothing to see here, move along
>dude I defeated a bassoonist with a rapier lmao

>>72766295
No, pleb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv94m_S3QDo

>>72767083
>>72767317
You god me fugg >>>>>:((((((

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I know they're cheesy as shit, but I really enjoy these kinds of music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJNN5bc66Gc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfu1EOaDQ0M
Anyone have more of this style?

>>72767849
This one from Bernstein's Candide is kind of similar to the witness one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip9x-HlBsZY

>>72766017
Apart from the obvious 140, 80, 51 etc. I'd strongly recommend you to check out the chorale cantatas, especially the opening four (20, 2, 7, 135), if only for the difference in the character of the opening choruses. Apart from those four the truly outstanding chorale cantatas are probably 38, 78, 101, 115, 125, 127, and 139. And those are just the ones composed in the 1724-5 year. The later per omnes versus ones are all masterpieces, and you can go throough them at your leisure. If you're into choruses the 6 cantatas composed for Trinity IX onwards in 1723 would be a good place to start, namely cantatas 105, 46, 179, 77, 25 and 69a. All of them open with choral fugues. Also the obligatory solo cantatas 54, 56, 82, 199, and 178+180 are pretty great as well.
It's generally a good idea to have the text/translation available while you listen because Bach often uses the music to make a specific point about the text which you might miss if you're not paying attention.

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Is Macron our guy?

>>72768263
of course a flaming homosexual would choose a degenerate composer

>>72768263
>namedrops the operas but doesn't mention the themes in them he likes or how that would relate to his candidacy
>chooses a non-French composer
Super pleb.

>>72768292
you forgot
>mentions bach at the end
mega pleb

>>72766686
In the narrow sense, yes, actually. The Renaissance was actually very similar to the 20th century, with many people experimenting with music.

>>72768263
No, he is /cringe/. He's obviously parroting 3rd hand opinions and has no idea what he's talking about. Fucking manufactured puppet is what he is.

>>72763330
When is /classical/ not autistic?

Are Gesualdo's late madrigals some of the best music in the classical music canon?

>>72768637
Yeah

Just woke up, got my tea, sitting in the rising sun in my robe. What should I listen to?

>>72769887
Pastoral symphony.

>>72769887
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jycdQEkKK60

>>72769950

this is good

>>72769887
Das Rheingold Prelude.

>>72768292
>non-French
Rossini's last operas basically kick-started the French romantic operatic tradition. He was Italian, but he had a huge influence on French music.

>>72770059
Siegfried is the most summer-y of the Ring cycle

Just got Leibowitz Beethoven cycle, how wise was I?

>>72770241
It's probably the best overall cycle available. And it's really well recorded too. It's a good choice.

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>Liszt only composed half of his transcendental etudes

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKs4JV9-qo

>tfw Fritz Wunderlich will never record Winterreise

Do you support OVPP theory about Bach music? I'm not sure which versions should I listen to...

Say it with me:

SCHOENBERG
IS
UNDERRATED

>>72770985
>Do you support OVPP theory about Bach music?
No.

ded thred is ded

>>72770985
I'm currently reading a book by Butt (who has recorded a lot of OVPP Bach) which I'm hoping will shed some light on the situation. It's pretty heavy-going though and thus far it's mostly concerned with saying "Taruskin was right and I only slightly disagree with him"

I'm a noob. which composer do I start with guys?

>>72771186
You start right here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3217H8JppI

>>72771186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NzQUPmwjc

>>72771243
>not glenn gould
laugh my fucking ass of, pleb.

>>72766394
Is it stupid to think that the Second Viennese School and their followers were going for a "brooding" atmosphere with their music?

>>72771675
I think it's difficult to say, because so much of their music has been used in media to represent either scary or brooding moods, to the point where I no longer know whether or not I associate it with those things because of media, or because of the music itself.

But, I mean, Schoenberg and friends enjoyed a cheery tune just as much as the rest of us. Hell, his 3rd and 4th string quartets are actually kinda whist-able.

It was a good time to be brooding, though. Cynicism was definitely on the rise in those days, pretty sure everyone in the SVS saw battle and served in the war.

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>>72771775

>tfw Fritz Wunderlich will never record Winterreise

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>>72770502
>>72772101

>>72772101
>tfw Harnoncourt will never record Glagolitic Mass

>>72771775
How did the SVS feel about their representation in the media? Did they ever even talk about it?

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>>72771827
>that face

I get his music now.

>>72771210
Terrible advice
The 9th symphony is a destination, not a starting point.

What's the most dark and depressing symphony you can think of /classical/?

>>72772771
Any one of Pettersson.

>>72772764
It's both.

>>72768225
BWV 35 also an obligatory solo cantata.

>>72772872
Nah.
That guy does not listen to classical music, probably he does not even have the attention span required to actually listen to the 9th Symphony for its entire duration.

It makes more sense to link him Beethoven's sonatas and short Mozart's symphonies.

>>72772935
>he does not even have the attention span required to actually listen to the 9th Symphony for its entire duration.
That's a depressing thought.

>>72772980
He can still get improve it.
I started listening to classical music 3 years, coming from albums that were popular on /mu/, and now I can sit down and listen to 3 hours of music in which I'll transcribe mentally and feel every single note I'll hear, without ever getting tired. At the beginning I used to struggle to finish individual sonata movements (which is fair, since I was so used to 2 to 3 minutes, more repetitive music).

Give him time, if he loves it he will eventually master the discipline needed to be a good listener.

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>>72772935
>Mozart symphonies instead of the superior piano concerti

>>72768637
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dVPu71D8VI

>>72771243
I strongly disagree with this interpretation.

>>72773217
Why

When was the last time a 9/10+ was composed?

I've found some old-ass sheet music and I have no idea how to determine its age or value. Does anyone know how to do this? It's Edition Peters Nr. 1731a, Mendelssohn Violinkozert in e moll.

what is the best version of Beethoven's 9th symphony on Spotify? (there's loads)

>>72773567
Nvm I'm stupid, I didn't notice the year of copyright

>>72773699
Karajan or Furtwangler

>>72773567
https://cycleback.wordpress.com/2013/02/10/identifying-and-dating-paper/

>>72773699
Ferenc Fricsay
>>72773764
>Karajan
lmao

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>>72773699
No such thing exists. Making the godawful 4th movement fit the rest of the symphony is a godly task indeed.

>>72773764
I must very much pic related.

>>72773791
>That absolute mess of a finale
What was Beethoven thinking?

>>72773804
He was thinking about many things, he just wasn't hearing them.

>>72773825
Kek

>>72773764
the audio quality on furtwangler, jesus crhist

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU_tiVS06ao

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>>72773791
>>72773764
>>72773781
what is wrong with Karajan? Also wtf is experimental audio in disc 6

Best Petzold: https://youtu.be/aNck4vhkecM?t=6s

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rateyourmusic's top 10 classical pieces of all time

https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&genres=Classical+Music&include_child_genres=t&include=both&limit=none&countries=

>>72774033
I'm surprised some obscure avant garde bullshit isn't #1

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classic FM

listen to this shiet and tell me what you think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sj-NKqR0tw

rec me a documentary about classical music composers

>>72773791
>anons keep parroting Verdi's opinion, without keeping in mind that Verdi was one of the best choral and vocal composers ever existed, and that his criticism can be shared only by composition virtuosos like him

You're a joke

>>72774161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkKd1fjgqKI

im patrichian for enjoying te works of vivaldi......... right

>>72774033
>Steve Reich #1
Absolute cancer.

>>72774118
Don't like the singers and the choir, soloists and orchestra are not always in sync. This one's better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkSK9tEUTxU

>>72774103
http://www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/music/5th-symphony-crescendo-listen/
>this whole page
Incredible

>>72774166
Piss off. If the choral parts were the only ones lacking there it'd be grand. The subjects from previous movements are very awkwardly reintroduced for example, medley-pastiche-style.

>classicfm
>rym

FUCK RIGHT OFF YOU FAGGOTS!

so what do you reckon is the all time greatest crescendo (that will induce goosebumps)?

Why do people cum left and right for crescendos?

>>72774166
>without keeping in mind that Verdi was one of the best choral and vocal composers ever existed
How the fuck is this relevant? Beethoven also wrote some great choral music. Ever listened to the Missa Solemnis?

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>>72774253
pic related: you

>>72774291
I know, a good diminuendo is harder to pull off
>1.54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-RrG4sfdis

>>72774297
>How the fuck is this relevant?

It's like Michael Jordan shitting on the second best basketball player ever existed. It tells you a lot about the skill of MJ, but very little on how much you should disregard that second best player.

The 9th symphony, all movements included, is a masterpiece, nothing short of it. The fact that the chorale is not the best chorale ever written does not discard this statement, just like Verdi being a pathetic harmonist does not mean that his operas are worthless.

>>72774306
>>72774358
Absolute plebeians. Verdi wasn't even shitting on Beethoven. As usual numbskulls talk about people, while the able-brained talk about the ideas themselves.

>>72774444
wasted quads

>the 9th's 4th movement, not so good, here's an example
>muh Verdi
>muh redditard reaction images

Here's my muh: go back whence you came.

>>72774118
They used to sing the last chorale of this at my church every time someone got baptised.

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Buona sera mia famiglia, how are you on this fine spring Sunday?

What are you listening to right now?
Who is your favourite italian composer?
Who is your favourite italian interpreter?

>>72774118
>>72774218
No, this one is --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW1NCbFMwmE

Give the the rundown on Classic FM, why am I supposed to hate it?

>>72774761
Easy listening station for plebs. I have it on during thunderstorms/fireworks because it keeps my dog calm.

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>>72774237
>Dudamel

>>72774493
He gave us no example

>>72774761
http://halloffame.classicfm.com/2017/

>>72774813
>Inception- Hans Zimmer
Say no more, you have me convinced.

>>72774808
>>72774253

>>72774837
That's not an example, he just hinted at what he did not like without being specific enough

>>72774833
>>72774813
I should have held off replying, I didn't realise it got worse
>GoT
>War of the Worlds soundtrack
>Superman theme
>Viva Pinata
>Elder Scrolls
>Legend of Zelda
>Pirates of the Caribbean
>World of Warcraft
All assembled in some random thrown together order.

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>>72774813
>#1 is RVW's The Lark Ascending
>#3 ..... Fantasia on a theme by Thomas Tallis
>#4 Elgar Meme Variations
>#11 Elgar

Anglotards are so cute.

>>72774890
One year the top piece was Aerith's Theme from FFVII.

>>72774920
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>classicfm
>classic

>>72774813
>video game music just manages to sneak into the top 50
It's still awful, but I was scrolling through it optimistically thinking that I might get to 50 before Final Fantasy or whatever inevitably appeared.
I would greentext everything else I find abhorrent about the list, but that would be a waste of time. It's particularly annoying how parochial the whole thing is. I'm not sure if VW liked the fact that he was adored by Middle England, but they really have deified him.

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>>72774813
>(includes [most famous passage from the work])

Good Lord.

>>72774697

>What are you listening to right now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUfj3aJonrs
>Who is your favourite italian composer?
Giovanni Sebastian Bach
>Who is your favourite italian interpreter?
Pollini

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>>72774813
>>72774833
>>72774890
>>72774909
>>72774920
>>72775133

>>72774118
>>72774218
>>72774697
This cantata is amazing I listened to all 3 versions please recommend me more like it.

>>72775573
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3pSDJEPGeU

>>72775573
>>72768225

>>72774813
>>72774988
Actually, I'll pick out a few particular highlights (leaving aside film soundtracks/video game music for the most part)
>Suite from the Victorian Kitchen Garden - Reade
The only reason I know that this piece exists is because I played a bit of it when I was about 13 for Grade 5 clarinet. It was the soundtrack for some awful horticultural TV show. The fact that it "beat" pieces by Shostakovich, Tchaikovsky, Brahms, Liszt and Chopin should be ample evidence to disregard this whole thing immediately.
>Christ Has No Body Now But Yours - Ogden
Upon looking it up, it's basically a Wesley verse anthem that doesn't even have the redeeming feature of being written in the Victorian era when such things were acceptable. It's also unison for the most part, apart from a middle section where it uses the most bland harmonies imaginable.
>Slovak Suite - Novak
Sounds like film music. Written in 1903, at which point Janacek had just finished Jenufa and was a couple of years away from his Piano Sonata. Janacek does not feature at all in this list.
>Gaelic Blessing - Rutter
Rutter's music is pretty awful in the first place, but this one is particularly bad. It's the piece that is always sung at weddings for a bride and groom who don't really know much about choral music but still want some included. The number of times I've had to sing this means I have an especial hatred of it, although admittedly the occasions when I sing it usually do pay quite well
>Did you not see my lady? (Silent Worship)- Handel (arr. Somervell)
Turned a qt baroque aria into some easy-listening monstrosity for amateur musicians.
>Jerusalem - Parry
Inexcusable
>The Seal Lullaby - Whitacre
Quite amazed that this is the only Whitacre to make it onto the list. Even by Whitacre standards, it's pretty boring.
>The Wasps - Vaughan Williams
There is no need to cram as many Vaughan Williams pieces into the list as possible, particularly one as mediocre as this

>>72775712
>>72775785
>>72768225
Thank you.

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>>72774697
>What are you listening to right now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUpZWXqsAXA&t=0s
Honestly prefer Simon Standage's interpretation.
>Who is your favourite italian composer?
Vivaldi
>Who is your favourite italian interpreter?
Giuliano Carmignola

hey guys, what's the best final fantasy song?
thanks

>>72776136
Dancing Mad. FFVI in general is Uematsu's best work. It's still mediocre compared to a good piece of concert music though.

>>72775785
>Ave Maria - Schubert
The only Schubert song that made it into the list. Really made me think
>Rusalka - Dvorak
Nothing against its inclusion, but it's only there because of Song to the Moon. I suspect most of the people who voted for it have never listened to the whole opera.
>A Country Suite - Bennet
Sounds like budget Einaudi
>BWV 208 and 147
The only two Bach cantatas included. Again, just beggars belief.
>Divenire - Einaudi
I suppose if we're going to have budget Einaudi, you might as well include the real thing. I believe his piano concerto no. 1 was premiered on ClassicFM as well. I had forgotten about it until this point, now I'm going to have to listen to it
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-jzvqNIrA)
>Seven Wonders Suite - Mitchell
More film music. Along with this bewildering video of the piece in performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7N6M_F1LSU
>The Land of the Mountain and the Flood - MacCunn
It's Pomp and Circumstance but for Scottish people and not nearly as famous. It is rated above Shosti 5. George Bernard Shaw was at the premiere and eviscerated it in a review.
>Adiemus - Jenkins
Jenkins is perhaps the greatest hack to have achieved success as a classical composer in recent memory. I'll get to him properly when we encounter the Armed Man Mass, which finished in a ludicrously high position. In the meantime, enjoy this magnificently composed Dies Irae.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBseM98EQQ
>Hallelujah - Leonard Cohen (arr. Tom Hodge)
Good to know that the pieces don't actually have to be classical to be included, it's enough to arrange a pop song for strings and it'll get included.
>Stay with me Lord - Will Todd
It's like Rutter but even worse. This is more popular than K.488, the Goldberg Variations and D.956

>>72776177
I used to think Dancing Mad was a masterpiece of video game music but then I took a real good look at it and realized that it's a mess of bland ideas, repetition, and lack of development. Just look at the second "movement" for an example, it literally just repeats one idea for ages, then has a section of almost-counterpoint where the subject sounds like someone mashing on the keyboard for a few seconds. The fourth "movement" is the best out of them all, but that's because it sheds the pseudo-classical feel that it fails at replicating.

>>72776345
Oh yeah, it's not great by any stretch of the imagination, but pretty much all game music is mediocre out of context because it can never be interesting enough to overwhelm the game itself. In a way, that's the mark of good soundtrack composition, it marries to the thing it accompanies so completely that it cannot function on its own.

>>72776183
>Einaudi piano concerto 1
Well, I gave up 7 minutes in. Too much ostinato, the orchestration is too simplistic, zero interplay between the soloist and the orchestra, etc.

Kill it with fire.

I have no idea what I was even expecting from Einaudi. He's the perfect composer for generic incidental music.

>>72776183
>The Musical Zodiac - Wiseman
More film music. This time, each movement represents one of the signs of the Zodiac and "the characteristics and personalities of each astrological sign. From Pisces to Aquarius, every piece reflects the personality of people born under each sign." Basically The Planets' Suite for a modern age with added idiocy.
>O Magnum Mysterium - Lauridsen
To be fair, he did get on the neo-tonal, choral music-with-lots-of-suspensions-so-it-sounds-more-sophisticated-than-it-is train early on, so he's a little bit more acceptable. Weird guy though.
>Adagio in G Minor - Albinoni
Placed above Tristan and Verdi's Requiem
>Concerto Antico for Guitar - Harvey
Like the other guitar piece on the list, seems to have been made famous by John Williams playing it.
>Piano Concerto - Hess
Better than 24 of Mozart's piano concerti (No. 21, which has already appeared in the list and the other 24 which don't appear. However, not better than no. 20 and no. 23)
>Three distinct pieces by Ronald Binge
Literally who
>More Jenkins
>More Einaudi
>Dangerous Moonlight - Addinsell
A soundtrack that is literally pastiche Rachmaninoff because Rachmaninoff wasn't available to do it. Ranks above Mahler 2, Brahms' Requiem and Cosi Fan Tutte
>Two pieces by Marquez
Only famous because of Dudalel
>Eine Kleine Nachtmusik and A Musical Joke feature above a number of other Mozart compositions
At least they're not underrating him, right?
>Canon in D at #21
>Jenkins' Armed Man """""Mass"""""" at #13
Dude let's use the Muslim call to prayer in a mass setting lmao. This piece is so awful that I think it retroactively ruins any mass based on the L'homme armé tune. So tough luck Ockeghem, Dufay and Josquin

Time to create a flowchart based on the Hall of Fame to help newcomers to /classical/ get introduced to the genre.

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>>72776455
The best bits are when the soloist looks at the camera with a guilty look as though realising that there is going to be evidence of her taking part in this performance. Honourable mention for the slow pan-in on the viola "part"

>>72776585
>suites structured after the zodiac

There are actually good pieces done in this manner. Crumb's Makrokosmos and Stockhausen's Tierkreis, for example.

>>72776677
holy fuck that viola part has to be some parody

>>72776455
>tfw Einaudi is a formally trained musician

I refuse to believe he is intellectually honest. I know that deep down he knows that all of his music is pure shit, and that he has made the world a worse place with his art. If there is a Hell for artists Einaudi will eventually get there.

>>72776677
>pic related

I laughed out loud. What a miserable hack.

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>>72776677
>Contemporary music isn't a joke!! Honest!!

>>72776695
Yeah certainly. Both of those pieces use the Zodiac as the starting point of a structural framework which is then made more and more complex via other means (like the usage of numerical sequences in Stockhausen)
Unfortunately that's not really present in this composition, which just uses the concept of "Star sign determines personality" and doesn't appear to go any deeper than that.

>>72776810
Come on, Einaudi is elevator music at best.

>>72776677
>Brought to you by the man who studied under Berio

>>72776811
Sounds truly miserable.

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>be me, 19
>live in a shithole village
>only one piano teacher available, a old Russian virtuoso who had a nice career going for a few decades (he really knows his shit)
>start taking lessons with him
>tfw he wants me to play ONLY russian music
>tfw have learned Beethoven's 19th sonata without his support
>tfw when he discovered it he dropped me for 3 months, and started giving me lessons again only after my dad begged him to do so
>tfw he instructed my dad to let me play only the music he gives to me

What the fuck is wrong with him? I mean, I'll keep studying with him, since it will be certainly better that studying by myself, still he is a real piece of shit and I unironically hope he'll die soon.
Now I can't even fucking play Bach's fugues on my piano because as soon as I'll start doing it my parents will storm out and ask me if I really want to lose this teacher again.

Sorry for the blog.

>>72776931
Sounds like the basis of a good film script. Build a relationship and let him tell you all about life under the commies who made him the way he is today.

>>72776931
Russians have this weird nationalist inferiority complex. You can hear it in their musical language since the 19th century, and they have a very passive-aggressive relationship with music from other countries and cultures. That's why Gergiev is shit at Mahler, for example.

Where to start with Bach's cantatas, recording-wise?

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Post only the best Piano Concertos.
I'll start with Richard Nixon's Piano Concerto no.1, Op. 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCsGSMze_6Q

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Post only the best minuets.
I'll start with Vladimir Putin's Tragique Minuet no.5, Op.71.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1huM1Y_XFqY

>>72776183
>>Adiemus - Jenkins
>Jenkins is perhaps the greatest hack to have achieved success as a classical composer in recent memory. I'll get to him properly when we encounter the Armed Man Mass, which finished in a ludicrously high position. In the meantime, enjoy this magnificently composed Dies Irae.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBseM98EQQ

What the actual fuck

>>72777327
is this straight from the 70s?

>>72777425
2005 apparently

>>72777327
I didn't read the title so was unaware of what to expect. When the vocals came in I audibly laughed.

>>72777293
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zomb7itNZyQ

>>72777219
Better than Einaudi's. I'm not trying to be cheeky here.

>>72777293
Why does Xi Jinping have an out of tune piano?

>>72777327
>I bet all the losers who comment filthy comments here aren't able to compose 2 notes and not even able to enjoy real music - losers who tried and failed because no one wanted to listen to their crap
lmao he got us

I love classicfm, it's a natural treasure. The way it it manages to trigger idiots all over the internet with its low key, middlebrow simplicity is genius. It's a pop classical station, aural wallpaper for people who have hardly ever heard a full Beethoven symphony. But all they have to do is publish a list and it makes angry nerds wet themselves to see a Japanese video game composer above Bach.

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>>72777745

>>72773854
It's only really bad if you're talking about the 1942 recording. Both the 1951 and the 1954 recordings sound pretty good.

>>72777161
Suzuki, maybe? Taruskin makes a good case for Harnoncourt's Bach, though. I think I still prefer Suzuki's overall since the sound and organization are more to my preference.

am i the only one who finds bach, and baroque music as a whole to be boring asf?

>>72773699
cobra, without a doubt

>>72777977
A lot of Baroque music is pretty boring (overstuffed but simple melodies played over filler), but Bach? No way.

>>72778069
good meme

>>72777977
A lot of baroque music is shit, yeah. Bach has a lot of good stuff though, try the solo violin sonatas/partitas for starters. I enjoy them a lot more than his ensemble/keyboard works on the whole.

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>>72773699

>>72773699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tBIkADzHhI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5FeKFKLvwA

wtf i love bach now

>>72778361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad3dNY2ABOk

>>72778400
>1:01:22
Oh yes

>>72778361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFunx2E2on8

>>72778512
>1:54:12
Oh yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoINrtIWpTA

>>72778361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0xtPpsXmLE

>>72778555
>This is the real Beethoven. Forget all the other interpretations and listen to this very intensely. Let this music stream through yourself and the tears come out.

Is there a logical progression of pieces that would ween me from Mozart to Wagner while having some semblance of an idea of what's going on?

>>72778538
Schulhoff is fucking hilarious. Hella underrated for one of the best and most original pre-war composers.

>>72778585
Mozart ---> Rossini ---> Weber ---> Berlioz ---> Wagner

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>>72778579
>there is no negative comment

>>72778624
>literally set the Communist manifesto to music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAujsDBZByA
Also, he was a better bogposter than bogposter could ever have been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h_P8YfVAjo

>>72778651
Can you please use some other reaction image set or avatarfag with something else?

>>72778681
what?

>>72778681
feels guy is so commonly used on this board you really can't identify an avatarfag out of it

dummy

>>72778713
The pale man of emotional contemplation is annoying.

>>72778538
That's cheating.

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>>72778754

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>>72778815
This.

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>/a/ and reddit proxy wars in /classical/
I have the perfect solution: Nazi pop --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqhrnqRZSiM
(link not related)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUGvRzTW2ME

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I have a mega folder with all of this in it I uploaded yesterday if anyone wants it. These are selections from my library of my favorite classical works. Just ask and I'll post it.

>>72777977
Yes.

>>72779170
Please post.

>>72779199
>>72779199
https://mega.nz/#F!DlRSjQaS!SzxR-CUyK4AYPknI1LYgdg

Uploading a couple fritz wunderlich recordings and the complete brahms symphonies.

>>72779233
Thank you!

>>72779271
You're welcome. Cheers.

>>72779233
Very nice, thank you for sharing.

I put this folder together mostly over one day about a week ago, have added a few things since then. Hope it's of use to people here.

https://mega.nz/#F!pWR0zABY!xCwF1rEfXiyEy5HuhTDP0Q

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXHSU8FRwCk
>those accidental left hand pizz's
He's getting old lads...

>>72779295
Thanks anon.

>>72779295
>>72779233

thanks lads

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLO-cSr1qZc

>>72771186
fantasia nigga

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*repeats a 6 hours exposition*

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>>72780550
*does it again*

>>72780598
>writes 14 minute-long scherzo

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>>72780830

>>72781034
>a literal cuckold

>>72781292
Maybe if he hadn't forbidden Alma to compose she wouldn't have started fucking architects behind his back.

>>72781350
A whore is a whore, there's no excuses.

>>72781998
Your mother's not relevant here.

>>72781034
More like Walter Gropeherass.

>>72782031
>defending an adulterous whore

Are you a woman by any chance?

>>72782161
You're not even talking to the same person anymore.

itt: good bach interpreters

I'll start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k9rnAaQHfs

>>72782480
https://youtu.be/3NbPdRj_9gs

>>72782480

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-0aOomtS3A

>>72782480
Reinhardt Goebel

>>72772771
Sibs in A minor is pretty depressing

>>72774118
That fourth movement is the best thing Bach every wrote

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>>72781034
*throws him off the top of the himalaya*
i am god

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>>72784698
Let em know Scriab

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>>72784725
>>72784698
not so fast, scrubs

>>72784698
*trips*
*slightly cuts upper-lip*
*dies*

>>72772771
Prokofiev's second

>>72773699
Furtwangler's 1943 one done for Der Fuhrer.

>>72774033
>3 versions of Beethoven's 9th and 2 versions of Reich's Music for 18 Musician in the top 15

>>72774697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pUKVW5aJeo
Puccini
Toscanini

>>72774761
Their greatest classical music lists are usually filled with video game and movie soundtracks ( and not even the good kind like Prokofiev or Bernstein).

>>72785066
>burnstein
>prokofiev
>film music

>>72776931
He probably was alive during the Great Patriotic War and saw his parents burned alive by Dirlewanger. Older Russians hate the Germans and Germany for that war and the crimes.

>>72777219
Whoa, I didn't know James Maddalena played the piano too.

>>72778675
Kek. Weill had joked to his wife he hadn't been able to set the Communist Manifesto to music. Schulhoff literally did it.

>>72785149
Bernstein did the soundtrack of "On the Waterfront" and Prokofiev did Lt. Kije and Alexander Nevsky.

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>>72785465
Wow three soundtracks. Really sounds like Prokofiev and Bernstein had a large impact on film music

Even Holst was more important to film music

>>72785499
I didn't mean they had an impact on film music. I just listed them as having created the good movie soundtracks compared to shit like John Williams.

>>72785499
Yes, but his non-film music is utter shite

>>72785499
*hold that double bass line for 12 minutes*

>>72785499
Nevsky was definitely an influential score.

>>72785571
John Williams is actually better than Bernstein and that's saying something
>>72785573
Holst never wrote film music

>>72785607
>Holst never wrote film music
that's the joke

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>you finally ''get'' Mozart

>>72785824
no, you're the joke anon

>>72785877
>Hacklst fan on suicide watch

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>you finally "get" Mozart

>>72785898
t. anon who still don't ''get'' Mozart

>>72785897
haven't any interest in your inept suicide attempts

>>72785912
I've passed kindergarten, thanks. Good luck though.

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Daily reminder that hating on Mozart is truly the mark of the uneducated, tone-deaf untermensch: treat Mozart haters as sub-humans if you care about the quality of this general.

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>Daily reminder that hating on Mozart is truly the mark of the uneducated, tone-deaf untermensch: treat Mozart haters as sub-humans if you care about the quality of this general.

>>72786164
>ABACABA
What did he mean by this?

>>72786164
>Daily reminder that hating on Mozart is truly the mark of the uneducated
>hating on
Thank you for butchering the English language, you uneducated swine.

>>72786558
ABACADABA is the magic spell for a good rondo form

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Telemann is so fucking underrated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XLOC-CsF3M

>>72787503
Nah.

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>>72787503
It's a neat little concerto. A shame you posted a poor performance on shit instruments.
>fsss
>puffssss
>queek
>quack
This is what an oboe should sound like -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j3ai3SOIY4

>>72774697
Don't impersonate me you asshole.

Best version of rachmaninoffs piano concertos? Also which is the best?

best /classical/ podcast?

>>72787983
>which is the best?
The 3rd
>version
Horowitz.

>>72787269
>D
u wot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jkfrILR0ng

>>72771827
>Posted 23 hours ago

>Posted 17 hours ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/6b5q47/schoenberg_in_wwi_in_the_austrohungarian_army_he/
Interesting.

>>72790928
Well that's not me, that's for sure.

>>72790928
Why did you post it to reddit. Why do you even visit reddit? Why, anon, why?

>>72791183
come on dude it's not 2007 /b/ anymore, wake the fuck up, 4chan and reddit are equally shit, there's no reason to neglect parts of the internet that share the same value of content as 4chan.

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>>72791225

>>72791225
>4chan and reddit are equally shit
Because people forgot to tell you to Get. The. Fuck. Out.
And stay out.

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>>72791225
fuck off

4chan is for intellectuals like myself with an iq two standard deviations above the mean, go back to plebbit

Is there a book I can read to undertstand music theory? It could have have practice problems, but im more looking for a book about the history of music therory and making sure you understand it.

someone explain to me the petzold meme. newfag here.

>>72787983
Go for Alexis Weissenberg, Kissin and Earl Wild.
Also decide for yourself

>>72787983
>rachmaninoff
Listen to better composers

>>72789772
Anyone?

>tfw Fritz Wunderlich will never record Winterreise

>>72795209
Who the fuck listens to podcasts? What are you, 60?

>>72796320
No. I usually subscribe to a secret classical recording club, that sends me a new vinyl record of selected recordings of classical music monthly, and I send the money in by mail. I am 80 years old and this is the first time I've used a computer, my grandson set up speak to type for me.

>>72796436
*play melody with right hand, harmony with left hand*
*repeat it, switching hands*

>>72774890
Just because the music being assessed is attached to a video game or movie, doesn't make it a bad piece of work.

What are some good singers
at the moment I like Fritz Wunderlich and hans hotter

>>72796676
Fuck off pleb

>>72796676
No one was saying that. It's a general observation: incidental music for video games tends to be poorly composed.

>>72796844
>>72796676
And people who vote for video game soundtracks usually have no point of comparison for their shit. It's just
>muh fond memories with this vidya

>>72796844
>tends to be poorly composed.
Correct, so you understand that exceptional works can come from music for video games. I'm not advocating for any particular song, I'm just observing how close minded and pretentious these opinions are.

>>72796915
>exceptional works can come from music for video games
In theory. It has yet to happen in practice.

>>72796915
Has it ever happened?
Is there any Beethoven in soundtrack music?

>>72797022
>Beethoven is the pinnacle of music
>Implying it's not Bach
>Implying if you're not as good as Bach or Beethoven, you're shit
>Implying talent in music is a dichotomy and not a spectrum
>Pretending you aren't dumb fuck with an inflated ego

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5PU97xMIc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCBFWNrfiJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbREakKFTow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkcLgA9jd3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqB7A39yAKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4LJfp9jDhM

>>72796710
Depends so much on the rep. If you like those two try Gérard Souzay

>>72796710
Andreas Scholl

>>72797060
t. anon who listens to lots of bad music but still don't want to admit it

>>72797232
Do you even know that "t." stands for?
And no, I don't seek out and listen to video game/film music, I'm stating how retarded it is to completely label an area of music as trash.

What's a good 20th century piece for guitar?

>>72797327
>it's retarded to label an area of music as trash even if everything in it is trash

Who cares about hypotheticals? When a real genius will validate this area of music I'll change my mind: until then I'll just state the fact that video game/film music is mostly trash, and won't probably amount to anything good, given the mechanisms and processes of video games and movies production.

>>72797372
>mostly trash,
Can't even maintain continuity in your own opinions. Done.

>>72797386
I was thinking about certain movie soundtracks that are now 70 years old, no video game soundtrack.
Even then, those neat soundtracks were mostly composed by actual composers, nothing you could find nowdays.

>>72796320
This general is shit

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Haydn is probably better than Mozart

>>72798899
Not even Haydn thought that.

>>72796710
Dorothee Mields, Christoph Pregardien.

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>tfw Nietzsche never met Scriabin

Fuck.

>>72799214
>tfw Sofronitsky never met Scriabin

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This is my taste. What would you recommend to me if these are my favorites? I'm looking for full pieces, not just songs. I mostly listen to things in album form.

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>>72799534
That yellow

Proof that you're a patrician.

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>it's another ''anon has not touched his piano for a week'' episode
>tomorow there will be another ''piano teacher looks at anon with contempt and make passive-aggressive comments because anon has not practiced this week too''

>>72799746
>at anon with contempt and make passive-aggressive comments
>tfw
>tfw you also were eating like a fatty and gaining weight
>tfw teacher also called you fat and that you should lose weight
>tfw you knew you were a fat ass

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>>72799534
>that much DG

Man when I look at these threads it's like people are speaking a different language. I'd totally get into all this stuff but it seems like such a huge undertaking with new terminology and theory stuff and all that.

>>72799911
Literally what?

>>72799228
>but that hack Horowitz did

>tfw Fritz Wunderlich will never record Winterreise

>>72800113
Well then maybe you should fuck right off then

Was glenn gould a hack? Who was the biggest hack in classical music? Herbert Von Karajan?

>>72800649
srsly?

fuck my shit up

>>72800113
>wah coddle me and show me everything

Everyone here learned everything and discovered it all for themselves, before even coming here. If you really loved the music, you'd do the same.

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>>72800708
He was just a guy among thousands of great pianists who decided to have it his own way. It's not like he ruined the musical scene, and many of his performances are worth studying.

That said, he totally hated the Romantics because he could not play them. He even admitted it in his diaries.

WHERE'S THE NEW THRÄD???