/prod/ general

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i dont know what the fuck ambient techno is supposed to be but if you want it to have a 4/4 kick with snares and hihats while having say some long pads and synths on the background just use frequency and attack to create some space for the ambience or whatever. Trial & Error

anyway this one girl gave me a vocal and i tried to make a beat around it, its 150 BPM and i got almost everything except the drop and after drop drum loop done

So like feedback would be swell if you guys have time to spot any stuff that sucks so that i can mod that fucking stuff out
>DnB?

https://clyp.it/zejieltv

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>>72732816

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>>72732890
its not going away so stop being a baby and talk production

fucking derailing troll shitposter

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>>72732986
Give up your aspirations, degenerate. You don't have the magic.

Which of the 3 bass variations is the best? Any specific notes i should change?

https://clyp.it/5p1tqqq1

>>72733000
what i need for you is to shut the fuck up and get out
this kinda faggots are why people go to jail for murder

>>72732816
>4/4 kick with snares and hihats while having say some long pads and synths on the background
So is sytrus good VST for creating those in long run? Or am i just wasting time while making all those pads and synths from scratch.

>>72733541
why wouldn't it be good? it's a workhorse. subtractive, additive, waveshaping, fm, rm, multiple filters, effects, envelopes, LFOs, modulation, it's one of the most powerful synths out there.

>>72734191
So sticking on it will eventually make possible to make better sounds than on other plugings? I is there any other VST's i should try to learn to use?

>>72733097
First one is the best if it has to be a loop, the other 2 would only be good as a variation at the end of a bar, not as a main loop.

>>72734540
Better is entirely subjective. Listen to the demos of various synths, find one you like and thoroughly learn how to use it. That'll put you in good stead should you then decide to move to a different one because there isn't a whole lot of difference between how most synths work.

The worst thing you can do is getting a load of vsts and falling into the trap of just preset surfing.

https://clyp.it/n2psxfor
pls r8 h8 and crit

I've been trying to remix a track from the Ex Machina soundtrack and I'm stuck, not sure if the pauses work or are they just empty unused spaces so any kind of feedback is welcome.
Don't mind the intro for now

https://clyp.it/ul1bdybv

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How to achieve this synth sound?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6YtGJ1GMFI

except the cassette recording artefacts of course

i'm using pic related

>>72734812
Could you specify which sound you are aiming for? That piano like melody?
Because it sounds like a basic casio player "piano" preset

>>72735213
yes. its more proeminent at 2:30
is there a vst for that casio?

What you think of this song /prod/?

Posted in the last thread to rave reviews such as "I hate this style of music"

Done a bit of work on the mix since then, I think it's almost finished.

>>72735544
https://clyp.it/1fkhve4e

Whoops, here is the song

>>72732648
Nobody listens to those genres. Good luck though friend.

>>72732816
This could be good if it wasn't shit. The songwriting is interesting enough, it's just your sound design and mixing that lets you down. It needs to be padded out with way more stuff and add a bunch of reverb to it too.

>>72733097
They aren't really different enough to matter desu. Go with the first unless you are adding some more stuff that might be able to use the extra space that the other ones leave. And quit being so pedantic.

>>72733296
He got a pretty good post number though, you can't argue with that.

>>72734540
I'm pretty sure everyone is using serum now

>>72734807
I kind of liked the pauses. Sounds fine.

>>72734540
Better is subjective and is ultimately in the hands of the user. Contests like One Synth Challenge make that really clear for anyone with a shred of doubt.

If you have Sytrus and you learn to use it well then you won't need anything else since it's basically every synthesis method in existence except the memey stuff like spectral resynthesis that noobies cream over since they've never heard it before.

Don't bother trying to learn a bunch of synths, just get good with one and Sytrus is a great choice with a low cpu hit and high quality. Don't worry about the VST of the Month or what anyone else is torrenting, the clyps in these threads should make it clear it doesn't help them for shit.

Go watch some tutorials about subtractive synthesis, then frequency modulation synthesis, get comfortable with the fm matrix and modulation.

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>tfw dude with an old sample pack you lost years ago comes online in soulseek

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>>72736176
>tfw it aborts halfway through

Anyone remember an effect that looked for landmarks in the waveform and tried to recreate it with discrete cosine transforms? Wanted to fuck with it but I can't find the damn thing.

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>>72735675
its still a wok in progress so i add stuff to it as ideas come in

but yeah padding sounds good so gonna go thru options for pads, synths that could work as a pad and plugin options for mixing and reverbing elements but atm its sorta like this

https://clyp.it/b35fb41y

>added gate to intro synth, more kicks, kicks after drop etc buncha shit. hopefully not a lot worse than the fucking "original"

>>72735555
i wish you´d edit it less 8bit army game and do something to mute the wubsynths high frequencies. It sorta reminds me of castlevania or PS1 video games. I really like whats going on during that short period around 1 minute before you speed it up for no reason at all.

Also you have so much shit going on mozart that idk if this is gonna be rememberable a week from now, its too complex and theres no hook. Nice 80´s snare btw

whats a good midi keyboard? id use it for wrting notes in my DAW but i also would like to start playing the piano

>>72736955
any used full size (88 key) hammer action stage piano

>>72736176
Got it, the electrophunk oneshots pack from 2005. I have a real strong memory of this pack because I was going through some samples at my plastic and particle board desk with my XP box and one of the snares was really familiar, reminded me of Daft Punk.

https://mega.nz/#!woM22IKB!HlvGaxuSR0_uJ1mkurvh4QhQmKDF2n4GXR1r_GvKGzg

Bunch of kicks, snares, and hihats. Different from the modern sheen stuff you get from Loopmasters or whatever's popular now.

>>72736994
damn id better find one used theyre expensive. but thank you, i was off buying the first large keyboard i saw

Charlatan's got a nice buzzy sound, too bad it has a tendency to glitch out when the instrument is cloned in FL and you switch presets, and rarely notes don't trigger if the start and ends connect.

I think it may be worth it to deal with the issues though, good general purpose synth.

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i don't know why i do these things

https://clyp.it/qr5ddxo2

can we get some thoughts on this track of mine? it's intended to be a slow burn.

just some thoughts on the overall progression / development of it.

https://clyp.it/f5zinasa

PS. my music is fairly diverse and weird. What's the best way to market music like this? I feel like labels are extremely genre-specific nowadays and my music is more linked by 'the feel of it' than it being part of a genre. Any advice? Bandcamp self-releases aren't really sustainable because I'm shit at marketing

>>72737870
because you don't have the integrity to make proper music besides flavour-of-the-month bad and boujee flips

Serious question concerning which DAW to get. I've downloaded the free trial of ableton and its confusing as fuck. Idk if i'm willing to spend the time and money to figure it all out. Should I just stick it out and learn how to use it or should I just get something simpler/cheaper like FL Studio or some other DAW?

>>72738837
stick with it and learn. it's probably the most rewarding of all the DAWs. that's coming from a logic user.

>>72738837
FL Studio isn't simpler, if you think Ableton is confusing then it's the same with all of them.

Could someone with studio monitors check the mix? Aside from the obvious lo-fi meme of course.

https://clyp.it/5bny50f5

>>72739202
Not on studio monitors but just wanted to say this is some fire ass techno, I think you're lowpassing your snare more than you're lowpassing the kick which isn't to my liking but other than that good shit man.

>>72739202
oohh the track clips when it gets busy, i.e. around 2:35 and 3:38. best idea here is make room for all the instruments

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lads imma need your help with this. I've listened to my own track almost 80 times now, and i've gotten sick of it, the "wow" factor is gone. it's now gotten to the point where I don't even know if this is catchy enough for first time listeners.

https://clyp.it/rgow2fwi

i've been working on 5 tracks non stop for the past week, i think imma need a break haha

>>72740115
I like it although its extremely generic. Might as well name it weeb mix #99999

>>72740115
Ouch, that treble in the beginning is too much, other than that yes this shit is lit senpai, reminds me of Snail's House.

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>>72740115
if its getting you mad already just mix down any too loud sounds, increase volume in too quiet elements, slap few mastering apps to it and release

you dont have to waste more time on it if you feel like youre done with it

i finished this track up right now
i tried to do some work on the critique i was given last thread
any better?
https://clyp.it/t42pqdbr
and just general criticisms as well

Where do I even start?
I want to make my own beats in Logic Pro X, but I don't even know where I learn how to use it.
Is this like programming where I can read a book to learn?

>>72741199
Just download it and play around with it. It's pretty intuitive at first.

>>72741120
I hear some Chaka Khan.
The main issue with this is that it sounds very cheesy, the ideas are there but the execution is amateur. That piano sounds so cheap and quantized, the little pluck you have is barely there, the drumming is very basic and sometimes slips out of rhythm.

>>72741199
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU5XhG5Ywbk

>>72741286
thanks for the response
and being cheesy, what do you mean by this?

DJ Yung Vamp ish track in the works. Looking for mixing advice and overall production tips, also just opinions on track so far:

https://clyp.it/tjhhrfpk

>>72741735
Like, everything sounds straight out of Korg Legacy, very fake sounding and quantized.

>>72741823
me x SOUDIERE
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0T0Lu2ozIiN

>>72742166
Sound lit but can't give you any feedback through that recording.

>>72742200
ye didn't feel like exporting it lol

>>72738723
>flavour-of-the-month
what did he mean by this?

what do you people sheeple meeple think of this?

https://learningmusic.ableton.com

Is it a good electronic internetical tutor?

>>72732648
sytrus is really good... there are no short cuts in making music you just have to keep experimenting

>>72742249
Reminds me a little of inudge.
I don't think there's much to be learnt from it that you couldn't learn on your own by experimenting with synths and instruments.

>>72742166
aw fuck that keyboard sound is sooo fucking good. reminds me of zodiac shit

>>72741823
Sounding good. That snare in the end is too loud though.

>>72741735
Yeah that dude pretty much covered it. Things you need to do:

>Make your real instruments sound more real by varying the dynamics, play them into a midi keyboard if you have one.
>make your synths more better. There is no surefire way to do this, just add more effects to them and modulate them throughout the different sections.
>add reverb to make it sound more full and lifelike, a bit of saturation maybe wouldn't hurt either.

>>72742166
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0T0Lu2ozIiN

I dig this.
At the end, I would layer kicks onto the 808s at the end though.
Also, do you have the 808s cutting themselves? It sounds like they overlap in a weird way at the end.

>>72734807

I love the little percussion bit around 30 seconds.

How do producers isolate instruments in samples so cleanly? Do they have the master tracks?

>>72742446
yeah i accidentally solod the 808s. that isn't part of the song

>>72741823
I hate when white people make gangsta shit, it's pretty lit tho bruh

>>72740115
Sounds fine other than being weeb shit. If your main goal is to be catchy then establish a simple motif and don't vary it til you've repeated it a bunch, what you have already may stick with you more from hearing the full song though I dunno.

>>72737870
It sounds dank but I don't dig the weird timing on the deep kicks

>>72738600
>https://clyp.it/f5zinasa
This is the best thing I heard on this thread but its just too long is all. The voice effects on the singing are perfect.

>>72737870
I see what you were doing with the kick but it doesn't work. Other than that it's fine, but so many people are making stupid fucking music like this it might as well just not exist.

>>72738600
>my music is fairly diverse and weird. What's the best way to market music like this? I feel like labels are extremely genre-specific nowadays
The best way is to make genre specific music. Nobody wants to hear an 'artist', they want something at the right tempo with the right sound so DJs can play it in a setlist with other generic bullshit.
This shit you are doing has very limited appeal. I kind of like the vibe but the mixing could use some work, that honk honk honk sound especially jumps out way too much and sounds retarded.
Don't expect anyone to ever care about your music if you keep making shit like this.

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>>72734812
>>72735383
Fiddle with a synth generator enough and you will get it. Any will do.

The way i'd do it is i'd generate a waveform that sounds like a bell, short attack and a moderate tail. Then filter it, give it a high pass.

>>72740115
>https://clyp.it/rgow2fwi
11/10 would fuck a 2D girl to this.

...for real this is great excellent use of 4 on the floor.

>>72736398

Is it SPEAR?

http://www.klingbeil.com/spear/

>>72736666
It's getting there. Get that kick slamming a bit harder bruh, maybe add another layer with some high pop to it so it slaps a bit more.

>you speed it up for no reason at all
It's quite clever what I did, it's playing triplets then in changes to regular but with the beat on each second triplet rather than changing the division in between the established beat. The synth and guitar kind of hints at it as it comes up but you wouldn't realize til after it happens, shit like that is lost on most people but I like it.

As for the high frequencies I think you're right I could probably do with a bit of a shelf on them. I tried it but it seems to take too much energy from the track, it does fuzz up the mix though so I'll have to find a balance.

Thanks for the feedback m80.

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>>72742631
hm, came up with this tone
https://clyp.it/ur3egcpi

>>72742471
Depends, there's only so much EQing can do, you're gonna need the mastertracks after a point.

>Go to soundcloud thread
>Post my song but don't listen to anyone else's
>No one listens to my song either
>But I didn't listen to theirs heh heh heh

Did I succeed in making a bold statement against their self-indulgent faggotry?

>>72738723
>>72742548
>>72742626

without the vocal?

https://clyp.it/iakhkons

>>72743149
Bring up the pitch. Maybe up an octave?
It also sounds a bit buzzy. Either try increase the voice and detune a bit or add a phaser. And filter a bit more so the buzz is less prominent.
Just so you know i'm not completely educated in synths, so we're pretty much figuring this out together.

>>72742843
Nah, it was a VST effect with an oscilloscope and I think it had an overlay where it approximated the waveform with a few points.

Could have sworn I found it a week or so ago by just looking up DCT VST.

>>72743786
You just pissed in an ocean of piss.

>>72743149
Where'd you even get that, all I can find are people talking about it from 2003.

Where the fuck are you even getting your plugins, your copy of Synth1 was mad outdated too.

>>72744053
heh heh heh, suckers will have piss all over them

>>72732648
bump

can i get mixing critique?
thanks
https://clyp.it/or00j5xm

>>72745593
>https://clyp.it/or00j5xm
Your percussion is way too compressed and it makes the song sound kinda bad. If you're going for a hip hop feel, make your percussion louder and maybe try and get your kick to sound deeper.

Do we have a /prod/ discord?

>>72747245
Let's not turn this into a circlejerk.
Anonymous is good.

>>72747245
It would be useful for sharing resources and whatnot, but I see your point

>>72741199
Pretty sure my Logic ProX Came with a manual. Maybe you could start by fucking reading that.

>>72747264
this, please

>>72742471
They don't. They either crate dig until they find something that is soloed in the original track, or use stereo tricks/eq to get half decent separation and then either hide the artifacts in the mix or learn to accept them.

>>72742471
>>72749332
It should also be noated that reputable/famous producers often request pieces or stems of the original multitrack and often get them. You and I could ask Metallica for an isolated guitar track of the guitar solo from enter Sandman and be ignored, but Calvin Harris would get it.

Rich people win again. 1% of the population owns 99% of the isolated samples.

>>72747245
>>72747264
>>72747332
We do tho, do you not want me to share it here?

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Any advice is much appreciated, specifically concerned with room/spacing though. Also what genre would y'all put this in?

https://clyp.it/rzasndbq

>>72750007
Sounds like something i make when im tripping on LSD.
I feel like the next Beethoven until the trip ends and i shamefully delete the abominations that i created.
Basically, i have no idea what genre this could be.

>>72750184
Haha guess the years of psychs linger, most of the abominations get deleted but figured itll help coherence to get wisdom from the glorious hive mind.

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>>72750184
forgot pic

>>72742249
its looks just like messing around with ableton's factory loops/sounds

>>72743971
i liked this a lot, only thing i woud add, and it was by chance, at 0:50 throw in this guy's intro >>72745593, you already are getting in some high-freq melody? there, but that one, maybe high-passed a bit, sounds good

>>72745593
this has a good drowsy feeling
throw some extra reverb+delay on the intro it kind of lingers and i fear it might make someone just change the track cause it stalls too much, the drums need more punch and swing, also the mids are too resonating you should fix that

>>72750007
this is nice, i liked it, but i think the bass freqs are too overpowering, and i think it would benefit with some upper freqs on the kick, maybe layer it with a 909 or sth? also open a bit the filter on the snare that enters at 0:40 or up the res; like overall its good but it needs stronger mids, the bass eats up the lower-mid sounds and some of the higher mids that are lower in volume

maybe i would put a rythm change at 1:30, would also put a saw at that time, and maybe saturate+delay the groovy hick sounds to up it a notch in intensity

>what genre would y'all put this in?
hickgroove
moonshinecore

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https://clyp.it/wjatsbvh

Plz feedback me

Its free-LANDRed (cant master for shit) and i also threw in a bunch of returns with reverb, delay, multiband and compression to make it stick out, might have fucked it up but im too drunk to tell

Im specifically looking for structure feedback, i think it kind of goes nowhere by the end, plus loses listener-focus at the middle??

>>72743996
>Bring up the pitch. Maybe up an octave? It also sounds a bit buzzy. Either try increase the voice and detune a bit or add a phaser. And filter a bit more so the buzz is less prominent.
sounds like these settings will sound good, will try that when i go work on it

>Just so you know i'm not completely educated in synths, so we're pretty much figuring this out together.
:-)

>>72744148
anon rommended it, as a better sounding vsti for the same synth (Nord Lead)

that outdated Synth1 was from the first google link that worked

I wanted to upload a track to soundcloud to pass it to a friend and i forgot what mail i was using for my account, so i went through my email list and reseted all passwords that had an associated soundcloud account and in the process i found an old soundcloud from 4 years ago, i didn't know shit about production, and my experimental band had just left me so i was blindly trying to recreate what we made on ableton by my own, it kinds of sounds way less gay than the bullshit im doing now, plus a lot louder, i don't even know how or why


So i thought you lads would like this cause you like weird shit

https://clyp.it/sifockrf

>>72750842
look for bazille, the serial is on google

Give me the harshest critique/opinion you want
i'm trying to make this sound as best as possible

https://clyp.it/wmklmb5f

>>72750858
needs more air/release man! its too dry
also i find it kind of grid-dy
i would add a reverb return with medium tail and send shit there accordingly, specially the chords and the drums, specifically the intro

but besides that i like it, its fun, maybe throw a beatrepeat on each track and automate to add some lunacy

i specially liked the part at 5:17, maybe also throw it as a drop mid-track?

i dunno

my subwoofer pops whenever a fan gets turned off somewhere else in the house (happens with bathroom fans and the desk fan in my room, doesn't seem to be affected by any other electronic devices in the house). anybody have any idea what the fuck that would be about?

>>72750973
if its not connected to the same power strip then ive got no fucking idea

>>72750948
>needs more air/release man! its too dry
can you elaborate on that
i think i know what you mean but i'm not sure how to improve this
>also i find it kind of grid-dy
the eternal struggle of working in fl

>i specially liked the part at 5:17, maybe also throw it as a drop mid-track?
idk really, the track was 7 minutes at the start, i already cut a lot of fat out, don't really feel like adding more parts, sorry :/
it's the same thing as at 2:37 anyway

really appreaciate your critique, thanks!

>>72750948
>>72751005
btw, what's a beatrepeat?
i already got so much automation my track is taller then wide

>>72751005
>can you elaborate on that
either reverb your hats/snare and chords, or up the release, same with the stab-chords

>the eternal struggle of working in fl
move some hits forward/backwards some milliseconds

>it's the same thing as at 2:37 anyway
yeah, but its solo, i kind of liked it i dunno

>>72751037
>btw, what's a beatrepeat?
its an ableton audio fx in which you set a specific bar measure to repeat and a chance value, and you can use filters and pitch changes and it kinds of makes fills for you

>really appreaciate your critique, thanks!
your welcome

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>>72750424
so im hearing this now with ipod ear-plugs and it kind of sounds like i fucked up and used too much reverb, it sounds "far away", can someone plz tell me if they hear the same or my shit is broken?

>>72751037
>i already got so much automation my track is taller then wide
no such thing as too much automation

>>72751074
>either reverb your hats/snare and chords, or up the release, same with the stab-chords
i'll try some subtle reverb, i still want kind of a sterile sound

>move some hits forward/backwards some milliseconds
sounds spooky

>yeah, but its solo, i kind of liked it i dunno
maybe it will find it's way into an extended cut :^)

>its an ableton audio fx
muh fl

>>72751199
>sounds spooky
it is, but you've got nothing to lose, save the project with another name so you can go back if you fuck up, and try it, i dunno exactly what movement to do with your track, try muting the drums and hitting the table like it was a drumkit following the track's groove, maybe you can even record it and see how it relates to the grid, but for example blues has the 2 and 4 laid back, like the snare falls a little bit backwards and that gives it the characteristic swing

>>72751199
>i'll try some subtle reverb, i still want kind of a sterile sound
then maybe try a very short delay, barely up 30ms (with less you get phat)

Protip: Make your digital synths sound more analog with a strong allpass filter.

You can do this with Disperser http://www55.zippyshare.com/v/7DyQCCfB/file.html or with any phaser whose LFO you can stop, adjust the frequency of, and add 8 or more stages to.

An allpass filter lets all frequencies pass through but it delays the frequencies under the cutoff frequency by a bit which adjusts their phase. Do this enough and you can smear the sound so that high frequency tones come in first and then the bass which can add a wet analog tone.

When I tried out Discovery Pro and compared it to Synth1 that was the main difference in sound beyond having to turn down the tone knob in Synth1. Otherwise it was just Synth1 with less features and less CPU optimization.

>>72750842
Your copy of Discovery is outdated. current version is Discovery Pro.

>>72751656
>2017
>still trying to make things sound analog

whats the name for the pass filter that filters both high and low

>>72751918
If you mean high and low pass through then notch. If you mean high and low don't pass through then band.

>>72751933
dont pass.
but band boosts a certain frequency. what cuts both high and lows?

>>72751954
Band doesn't boost a certain frequency unless you combine the wet signal with the dry.

>>72751976
band is the regular eq where it can boost or cut a certain frequency without affecting the others

>>72751992
You're thinking of EQs that work by adding or subtracting the result of a bandpass filter.

Use a basic bandpass filter.

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>>72732648
How many aliases do you have and why?

I've gone through 4 now, each one is a different genre and focus. But my most recent is a culmination of all those genres.

>>72752238
what's the point of switching aliases if you're not even famous

>>72752018
ah bandpass, not band

>>72752296
I have concept and themes connected to my aliases so when I feel a series of albums is complete, I move on to a new alias.

>>72752238
A few over the years, changed whenever I noticed a change in quality and or my taste in aliases changed. Not like it was really hurting anything by changing, never got more popular than a few hundred plays on generic electro tracks back when fidget house and the bassy saw jumping octaves was popular.

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Hi, literal prod noob here, have never made a song or anything but I really want to start experimenting.
I've lurked in a thread like this once and found out about this thing called "Iris 2 Izotope" and I have played around with some sample sounds etc, but I have no idea how to get these into FL Studio for example.
The perfect scenario for me would be if I could just record bits of samples etc that I pick in Izotope, and then export them to FL Studio, to piece together into a whole song. Does anyone know something about this? Or what is this Izotope really for, since I can not record anything in there?
Like I said; total pleb, i literally have no knowledge or experience at all regarding making music, but it is something I would really like to get into.

>>72752506
Iris 2 should be able to run inside FL. If it's not in the plugin list then you didn't install it right.

Channels > Add One > More... > Refresh > Fast Scan > Look for Iris 2, check it, add it.

>>72752238
2 soundcloud accounts:

A joke one with a stupid name, god awful songs I made just fucking around when I was still learning, half assed shit that I decide isn't good enough to be 'real' songs and unfinished versions of my 'real' songs.

And my actual soundcloud where I post my best stuff. The joke one has about 10x more plays, followers, downloads etc. Most often if I post a song to my real soundcloud it doesn't get a single play.

Why do I even try.

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Trying to get into that chill lofi shit

What do you think of the sound, overall?
Any advice on the mixing? I'm really prone to screwing that up

https://clyp.it/xyebc2mi

One of these is an 80 dollar vst, one of these is free. Both are programmed as equally as I could manage with different units appearing on the knobs.

https://clyp.it/ejbvk4dq

Can't believe people bother pirating, let alone buying, subtractive synths.

>>72752629
Trick that's helped me with mixing is playing pink noise, soloing channels, and adjusting the volume of each until I can just barely hear them.

http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ TestTone can generate pink noise in your effects channel.

I don't care for the sound, the drums are up close but lowpassed and the synths are far away but bright. Don't care for the melody either. None of that's objective though.

Try Iron Oxide 5 from http://airwindows.com/ its effect on bassy drums when the IPS is set low reminds me of putting a spatula in a new tub of peanut butter and smushing it to the side.

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>people actually buy synths

>>72752781
>people actually name their synths 'synth1 VSTi # 1,2,3,4,5' etc

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>>72752781

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>>72752781
>People actually still use FL

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https://clyp.it/vsdgv32y
Some shit i made in the last hour or so
I haven't made future garage in a while, so I thought I'd try it again
Thoughts?

I get that there are good free hardware emulations and basic subtractive/FM synths, but surely there is nothing free that can compare to Serum and Massive and the like? I mean like fully free, not limited versions of paid software.

>>72752563
thanks, but I can't find this. Where do I find the first "Channels" you are talking about?

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>>72753064
>>72752563
also meant to post this, it's what my FL studio looks like and there is no "Channels" title anywhere

>>72752818
that's the default names you fucking plen

>>72753077
I guess they moved it to Add.

>>72752962
Compare to what aspects of them? They're just wavetable synthesizers and the quality of sound coming from the synths, paid or free, is going to rely on who's programming the patches most of all.

Regarding Serum, take away the fancy UI with the hologram oscilloscope and it's just two oscillators that fade between two preset shapes / clips of a wav, a basic oscillator, a white / pink / etc noise generator, a filter, and some envelopes and LFOs to modulate them.

The main draw of Serum is the spectacle of the UI and professional presets.

>>72753198
>>72753287
Serum has infinitely customizable wavetables as well as custom envelopes and LFOs. Massive has some pretty complex waveforms, a stepper and performer modulator, both have some fairly good effects and routing capabilities.

>>72753287
>two preset shapes
can't the wavetables have like 100+ positions that can all be different shapes? also i think serum has the best effects section of any synth i've used so far

Is bit rate the same as sample rate?

>>72753704
The waveforms are just the output of basic synthesizers looped and faded between two clips, they're really the least impressive aspect of them. What brings a patch to life is modulation and performance which Serum and Massive have, but it isn't unique to them at all.

Infinity isn't impressive either when most of it is going to be similar. It's a lesson we should have all learned from No Man's Sky.

>>72753786
All I've seen is a blend between two shapes, which you can slide between with 100+ positions of fading. But even if it's scanning a long complex waveform like a granular synthesizer that's not very impressive either.

The onboard effects may be nice but you can put any effects on any signal in any daw with a mixer and plugin support.

>>72753831
No but they are related. Bitrate describes how much data is transferred / read each second to play the sound, samplerate describes how many samples are used each second which controls the range of frequencies that can be recorded and played back. You may be thinking of bit depth which determines the quietest sound that can be recorded and played back.

>>72753897
All the free ones I've seen only have the most basic waveforms, the extra tonal possibilities from having dozens of different forms in massive is huge, and serum you can adjust every harmonic of your waveform to get the exact tone you need. And then make another one or two or 100 and merge seamlessly between them. Surely this is miles beyond the capabilities of synth1 or whatever?

>>72753897
What bitrate would correspond to 44.1kHz sample rate and 16 bit depth?

>>72754115
Of course it's beyond the capabilities of Synth1, but even against the simplest synthesizers having hundreds of options you think you can meaningfully control doesn't guarantee it'll make your sound better.

Individually these features aren't unique, though to be honest I can't think of any free synths that have them all packaged together.

And to be honest I've never heard anyone but the professionals that made the presets put it to good use.

>>72754173
Mono uncompressed, 705kbps. Stereo uncompressed, 1411kbps.

>>72737335
for the time being a large cheap whatever keyboard at goodwill works too, as long as it has midi in/out. i used a big goofy casio for a while as my midi keyboard and it was just fine. it was even velocity sensitive and i dont think i spent more than 10 bucks on it

>>72738837
well whats confusing you about it? tackle your issues one step at a time. you arent going to grasp the full depth of any daw at once

>>72754173
Also just to make sure you know since we get loose with the terminology, kbps is kilobits, not kilobytes or kibibytes. What we're used to seeing on measurements of file size is bytes, kibibytes, mebibytes, and gibibytes, which are the power of 2 (1024) versions of metric kilo, mega, giga, and byte is of course 8 bits. Data streams are measured in metric collections of bits for whatever reason. 1411kbps, the bitrate of a stereo uncompressed wav at 44.1kHz and 16bit, converted to kibibytes like you would see in Firefox's download speed meter is about 172KiB/s.

This is something I had an issue with years ago with streaming video, I couldn't understand how my internet connection was handling these huge numbers and it was because it was in a different unit.

>>72754267
Is the ability to make custom wavetables not unique?

>>72754447
It's not. Sytrus, Harmor, 3xOsc, Cybermath, Zebra, and countless other VSTs from random programmers online can make and import custom wavetables. They don't all have morphing options but they can have custom wavetables and even import them from WAVs. Last I checked, this was years ago, Zebra needed a special program to convert WAVs into a wavetable format for it but it worked very well.

>>72754447
Plus like come on, it's 2017. We've been making software synthesizers for over a decade. Of course making a custom wavetable isn't unique, Xfer isn't some pioneer in the forefront of WAV playback technology.

>>72754504
Also while Sytrus can only import one cycle waveforms you can import several to different operators and fade between them, that's all the wavetable morphing is. You can even do that by crossfading two 3xOsc instances.

>>72754504
Are any of them free?

>>72754553
Sytrus, Harmor, 3xOsc come with FL Studio so they're only free if you have FL, Cybermath is free.

http://vst4free.com/index.php?plug-ins=Wavetable You can look through seven pages of wavetable synths, there's going to be several on each page with wavetables you can draw or import like Anawave, BlueZ, GrooveBoxII, Dominator, etc.

>>72732648
Marazmator is free and fucking great for ambient shit. You'll need to mess around with the paramator a lot before you find something you like but it offers a lot of range. Hope this helps.

>>72738837
Look at MuLabs. Cheap, intuitive, and small enough that you can actually chat with the devs if you want. I bought it, started it up and all my midi shit was already configured too, which was nice.

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Ah yes, the pythagorean comma

>>72734751
NOT FOUND

>>72738600
wtf I actually really like this.
sc?

>>72739202
no offense but did you purposely try to make it sound like shit..? checking on monitors and the first thing i noticed was those hats and how narrow it is...

>>72740115
yeah man carve out that high end... a lot. or rearrange

>>72741120
I still think you need to reevaluate the chords. like whenever they start to get interesting and build dissonance you immediately go back to that root and it feels like it's just pointless and not going anywhere

>>72745593
you should definitely use a different kick

>>72750424
yes definitely too much reverb. try automating that delay feedback too, it gets predictible. you're right about losing interest in the middle. I really wish there were some poppy vocals with this.

>>72750844
it's kinda cool. too much weird dissonant freakoutish for me at the end lol.

>>72750858
it sounds like you aren't that comfortable writing chords. I can hear the vibe you're going for really clearly but then it misses opportunities to be really catchy, especially in the middle part. that part coming after 3ish is the best imo.

>>72752688
I mean it doesn't matter if you're making a basic patch like that lol. the difference is negligible until you get into the details, you're right. second is darker, it took me a few listens to notice.

>>72752952
sounds like you really like burial. way too bright and lacking in low end... and crazy reverb and deep pads. too airy.

I must have sampled this rapper ten times by now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtBRZTs4-iA He's got no business being so infectious.

https://clyp.it/sh53fyuf

whoops getting a little close there

not sure if this is the right thread to ask this in but
if i need to churn some shit out relatively quickly for a uni assignment what should i use?
and would using the trial version of whatever it is i should use get me in any trouble for using it in my assignment?

>>72757268
no trouble with trial versions, but some like ableton don't allow you to save, which sucks
use what ever you like

Does my bass sound ok? I tried to match it to the chords I sampled but I don't know any music theory so just going on what sounded good

Any help/advice would be great, I'm using Serum in Ableton

https://clyp.it/d45dmgld

>>72757268
Depends on what you're churning out - if you just need to record then use Ableton but if not then get the trial version of FL Studio to play some basic instruments on. The easiest would probably be Garageband but it's only for mac. You should be fine with a demo version for your assignment, they won't care that it's a demo and they would have no way of knowing anyway.

>>72757268
I think FL Studio would get it done fast since it comes with synths. Just can't save your projects, you can only export the finished audio. You aren't going to get in any legal issues for using a trial in a school assignment.

I'd just pirate the damn thing so you can save your projects so you can tweak them later.

>>72757268
i think the real question is why are you in university for a program that requires you to make music if you know nothing about it?

>>72754605
Ah that's pretty cool thanks for that, although it still seems like Serum offers some things that these ones don't. I'll check a few of them out at some stage, I'd like to try making a few tracks using only free plugins.

>>72757353
Anybody?

>>72757353
First note in your loop sounds out of tune with the chords. I think you're playing an F, the chord is a C# Major so F is in it but it's a third and not a great choice for such a low bass. Try G# or go up an octave and use C# so the first bar isn't bass heavy, making more contrast with the rest of it.

>>72757584
It's been eight minutes, slow down.

>>72757326
>>72757353
>>72757367
cheers, just saved me a chunk of time reading eula bs

>>72757428
uhh, it actually doesn't require me making any music, but it does need me to have some short music files
and i'd rather do it myself than look around for someone and ask if i can use their stuff and then put credits and shit in the documentation of the assignment

>>72757612
Thank

So how doez piano music get named? I don't understand how theze classical tracks get named. I'm trying to make "serious music" with "serious" names.

tfw ur clyp gets featured

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>0 results

ok i cleaned it up guys let me know if anything sounds off
https://clyp.it/r3qhjmub
sorry for using my account i'm just too lazy to convert wav files to mp3 to upload anonymously

>>72757929
The type of composition it is and then the number of them you've made thus far and then the key.

Ragtime Jig #59 in C#

Or something in another language.

J'ai Plongé dans la Mort Pour Apprendre Solitaire

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>>72750414
Thanks senp, some of the most helpful advice ive gotten

>>72757929
lots of possibilities
form/function - sonata, prelude, fugue, etc
(baroque or whatever origin) dance style - menuetto, mazurka, candombe etc
tempo - e.g. adagio, allegro, largo, etc (mostly to label movements in bigger pieces)
not giving a fuck - fantasy, toccata, klangstück, music for xx musicians, etc
and so on
basically the only way to label your piece is knowing your way around a lot of classical music, the more you know the more accurate your title can might be
one of the many reasons why every musician including composers that study at a conservatory learn a lot of music history

>>72758081
whelp i can already hear a couple things to fix upon relistening
automation errors ffs

>>72758081
3:13 onward lost energy and tension, just meanders rhythmically. Drums at 1:26 could come back later, they were cool, better than the amen imo.

>>72758336
yeah definitely agree with the meandering section, could use more chopping

maybe i should try chopping up the intro drums too then, good idea

ty

>>72754983
damn it's 404'd. But I'm >>72738600

but sure here's my SC: soundcloud.com/hambling

>>72758500
how long have you been producing man? this shit's really good

>>72758605
thanks man! I started in like November 2011 so I guess... wow it's been almost 6 years, time flies