is this post-punk or protopunk?

It's basic classic rock. Sparks is more punk than Television.

Damn...
btw what the fuck is "Art Punk"? How is that genre not covered by New Wave and Post-Punk?

>>72731847
Its boring lmao

>>72731865
Basically for bands that aren't either, like Suicide, even though synth punk is more accurate in terms of actual sound.

Art punk as a whole was and is just really clever marketing to college students.

historically, proto-punk would be a better label. you can't call something recorded in 1976 "post-punk" really.

>>72731855
This is the only correct answer. Television has nothing to do with punk.

Sonically it's pre punk. it was just made after punk

>>72731847
It's rock.

>>72733381
Correct. This is also why it was never overly popular in its day. Because when it came out it was already kind of stale to the die hards. It's just people from this era who like it never lived through that era so they can't tell and can see it for what it really was, a master piece

>>72731912
>Art punk as a whole was and is just really clever marketing to college students.
And punk rock was the only real and innovative genre under the punk label? Come on.

idk what to call it. it sounds like a prog band ripping off the velvet underground. it good. and they came up at CBGB's around the same time as Talking Heads, Ramones, Blondie etc so they are categorized as punk

>>72733389
Pretty much this
It's only lumped in with punk because they're a CBGB band, but stuff like this and Lust for Life are rooted very much in traditional rock music

Television is post punk but post punk is such a misnomer in general
The post punk sound was around in the form of art rock before punk even really got going

>>72731865
Art punk was the term used before post punk. It still serves as an intermediate between punk and post punk though

For example: Wire - Pink Flag is commonly called post punk but would have been considered art punk previously. It's still sometimes called art punk because it's close to the punk sound (short songs, punchy riffs, shouted vocals) but strays away from punk by being cleaner more pop driven and slightly less formulaic. It isn't close enough to post punk though as it doesn't incorporate enough of other sounds in order to warrant a seperate sub genre. Hence its state in between which really isn't a genre but more of a descriptor (art punk)

>>72731865
Think early Talking Heads

If it's rock, where is the blues and sex? No.

>>72731847
it's protopunk, protopostpunk, postpunk, art punk and art rock