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first for classical is dead
>be more specific
you know what I'm talking about retard

>>>>>72715304

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>>72715229
>K-On
>light
Maybe I should start drawing a manga about female Mozart who´d hang around with Bach-chan (gets called baka after le light music after school hours class for le trole XDDD) and Beethoven would be that basic bitch nobody likes but whos eventually forced to work with her nemesis n shieet

>>72715330
Nah:

Yui = Mozart
Azusa = Beethoven
Mugi = Haydn
Mio = Schubert
Ritsu = Liszt

https://youtu.be/KJbg9V2KnD8

I've listened to this like 30 times in a row. How long til I can play it?

Anime images again, fuck shit fucking nigga piece of shit

>>72715475
How old are you? How long have you been learning?

>>72715560
23. 7 months. I give myself 8 years.

>>72715579
Do you practice everyday?

>>72715590
Yes around an hour everyday

>>72715611
If you have a teacher to guide you and correct your mistakes, if you can practice in a way that makes you better and don't waste your time and if you have a little talent for music...

10 years.

>>72715229
left to right = anon, s/t, SWMS, spyro, dubman

Top 5 classical song power rankings
#1: Requiem for a dream by Mozart
#2: Dark knight theme song
#3: I dream a dream by Susan Boyle
#4: Chopins nocturnes (good study music)
#5: moonlight sonata (really pumps me up)

Bonus track: ride of the valkrise from apocalypse now

>>72715677
You forgot river flows in you by yiruma

Haydn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeyS72SZC3s

>>72715696
omg I'm actually crying

>>72715730
my friends ^_^

>>72715677
>song
You're misusing that term. In classical music "song" refers to a piece for solo voice and accompaniment.

A top 5 classical song power ranking would look something like this (just an example, don't look too closely):

#1 Frühling by Strauss
#2 September by Strauss
#3 Beim Schlafengehen by Strauss
#4 Im Abendrot by Strauss
#5 Gretchen am Spinnrade by Schubert

>>72715553
Do you know what site you're on?

Which version of Bach's Mass in B minor would you people recommend? So far I've listened to Harnoncourt, Gardiner and Suzuki; I'd like to listen it by someone else.

>>72716096
Richter, Jochum and Klemperer

>>72715330
Don't give Japan ideas. They might go and do it.
Also, Bach would be called Bacchan.

>>72716096
Check Celibidache if you are feeling adventurous.

>>72716117
l might try Klemperer, I've heard too many things from Richter already.
>>72716143
I'll try it, but is there another HIP among the must-listen? Otherwise, I'm interested in not so well known orchestras/conductors (as I know that I'll eventually listen to Leonhardt, Koopman, Herreweghe and maybe Pinnock), for what I read the Dunedin Consort might be an interesting version.
>>72716323
Dear sir/madam: I'm always interested in a little adventure, but going to war with a stick and a stone as you suggest is just too much for me. I hereby beg your pardon.

>>72716411
What are you trying to say?

>>72716411
Hengelbrock's version is pretty good if you're looking for another HIP.

>>72716428
Great, thanks a lot.

>>72716411
Rifkin's mass recording is the HIP to listen to as it was one of the things that started the HIP trend. Kuijken is another favourite of mine.

Hey so I composed and co-wrote a musical last year in my college program, and while people really liked it it was, frankly, shit. Especially musically.
I'm not gonna show you my sheets, because they are horrendous and ugly, but what advice would you give with regards to learning how to arrange/compose properly?
I believe my biggest issue is that I'm not trained on piano, and as such haven't seen enough piano music to properly, yknow, write music for piano. I do know my theory, it's just sitting down and doing it I guess.

How did you guys start composing?

>>72716462
Technically Harnoncourt's was the one that really kicked off the hip trend - Rifkin started the OVPP trend.

Though Harnoncourt's earlier Mass recording is kind of funny since it doesn't even sound like Harnoncourt conducted it (and apparently he didn't)

>>72716411
Yeah, Dunedin is p. good. I disagree with Butt on some things, but he still has produced some great stuff with the Dunedin.

A "novelty" recommendation would be the '29 recording (the first ever apparently). Mostly because it's got Friedrich Schorr singing the bass solos which is always a treat. The whole thing is rather stately but it's a nice antidote to the recent Gardiner "Gotta go fast" recording. Interesting a piece of history generally. I think it's all available on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXOZVCkOU

>>72716516
I think that Harnoncourt is the one that kicked the popularization of the HIP trend, specially among youngsters. But the trend started developing even before he was born, dating back to Dolmetsch in the late 19th century.

Haha fucking nerds

>>72716613
I like the Wagner and Beethoven interpretations of that era, specially Furtwängler and Erich Kleiber.

>>72715475
Good on you for learning! I always look to great pieces too hard for me as inspiration to improve.

>>72716462
>>72716516
I've been meaning to listen some Kuijken for a while, so I'll take your advice (if not the Mass I'll sure listen something else).
Didn't know about Rifkin. The only OVPP group that I can remember of is the Scholars Baroque Ensemble, their versions of the Motets and the Messiah are among my favorite.

>>72716660
Well Schorr is often listed as one of the finest Wotans ever, so that should give you an idea of what you're in for. Compared to Hotter for example, he's a lot more baritone-y, but still has the requisite gravitas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZLMaEh95B8

>>72716756
I'm sadly not well versed (scratch that, almost not versed at all) into singers. I tend to follow directors. Then again, I'm not one who listens to a lot of opera.

>>72716756
And unlike Hotter, his diction is actually good

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Is this a patrician playlist?

https://open.spotify.com/user/11100768023/playlist/1XiCkB4WDqvXbmBHumHcUf

>>72716833
Younger Hotter's diction isn't bad, it's that it gets worse as he got older

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post Schubert

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>>72717957

>>72717957
https://youtu.be/xNTva5JCHuM

>>72715229
thoughts on neoclassical guitar?

A "finished" version of Schubert's Unfinished:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTnX-T9o_UY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxtQ-XAjS-k

Kind of interesting.

>>72715330
>Beethoven would be that basic bitch nobody likes but whos eventually forced to work with her nemesis n shieet

>Beethoven
>basic

Beethoven is textbook tsundere. The basic bitch would be someone like Schoenberg.

>>72719398
Musical forgery, what is unfinished is unfinished.

>>72719822
It's 95% Schubert, though.

>>72719841
Not 100%, forgery.

>>72719900
All performances are forgeries, then.

>>72719913
The score is 100% composer.

>>72719934
And a score is subject to interpretation. You will not find a single performer that agrees on every little thing, there will be variances, large or small, in regards to tempo, dynamics, phrasing, etc. Especially in those days before composers became obsessed with lavishly decorating their scores with exact metronome and dynamic markings. It will never be 100% the composer unless you go in a time machine and listen to the composer himself. And even then, composer's often took completely different viewpoints from their own written scores, just look at Debussy's piano rolls and compare them to the written scores. Completely different.

>>72720035
Sure, but the source and substratum of the interpretation is the same for everyone and was finished by one person, with the same idea throughout.

>>72720098
It's literally just an arranged version of his sketches for the scherzo and a slightly edited version of the Rosamunde Entr'acte for the finale

Do you also think editors and arrangers should be put to death?

>>72720106
>Sure, but the source and substratum of the interpretation is the same for everyone
Not really true. There's plenty of editions of Schubert's works now. Many old recordings utilize the editions penned by Brahms, which are now looked at as containing too much "touch-ups"

What makes Mozart so good? I keep hearing here that he's really good, but I always found his music pretty shit.

keep posting weebshit, so i know when to not even look at the post.

>>72720253
It's just a marketing schtick, you autist. None of the music there wasn't penned by Schubet, anyhow. It's all his notes.

>>72720343
You could play his symphony backwards and say it was all his notes. Doesn't mean it was Schubert.

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>>72720270
>insecure
lel are you running out of angery words?

>>72720253
>tfw Brahms should have been tortuously killed

>>72720373
You can do better than offering a terrible hyperbole for an argument, anon. It's not even comparable.

Jeez, you must blow a gasket everytime you listen to pre-romantic era music. The idea of editions moving around notes, deleting notes, etc. is hardly a novel one, and becomes increasingly more and more common as we go backwards in time. Yes, even Beethoven has numerous editions with variable changes.

>>72720488
He deleted stuff from Schubert's music when he felt like it, and restored stuff to the music when he felt like it too. He also re-orchestrated various parts. It's not that much different.

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>>72720035
>tfw Beethoven used to improvise on his piano sonatas
>tfw you will never hear those improvisations
>tfw you will never hear any improvisations of his at all, because even if they were considered miracolous no one ever transcribed them down

FOR
FUCK'S
SAKE

>>72720627
t. Brahms

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>>72720098
>>72720253
>>72720425
>>72720553

I like this guy.
There's at least one anon who gets all the nuances in your shitposting: rejoice in knowing that at least one person here understands you.

>>72720685
>quoting your own posts

>>72720461
You accuse me of hyperbole and then type this gibberish? I was just pointing out "all Schubert's notes" is silly. I have no problem with transcriptions, interpretations or editing or anything like that.

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>>72720708
nice attempt

>>72720745
nice mspaint

>>72720620
Wait, there's literally no transcription of his improvisations? Seriously?

What the fuck? Am I supposed to live and die without knowing how Beethoven's improvisations sounded like? This does not sound fair at all.

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>>72720760
I've just cropped it, you fucking delusional schizo

pic related

>>72720824
>damage control

>>72715229
Left to right:

>Eminem
>Mozart
>Bach
>Beethoven
>Vivaldi

>>72720942
>taking a whole 10 minutes to do additional mspaint

>that fugue at the end of D.940
It never gets any easier to accept Schubert dying young

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>>72721399
>Schubert dying young
>Bach dying in unbearable pain, without having the chance of finishing his Art of Fugue
>Mozart dying while writing the Requiem
>Beethoven and Mahler dying while writing their 10th symphony
>Debussy dying before being able to complete his last 3 sonatas
>Scriabin dying young for something as trivial as a shaving infection
>Ravel losing his mind just 1 year after having written the G Major Concerto
>Schumann hearing heavenly music while being not coherent enough for him to write it down

Post some other tragedy in classical music.

>>72721567
I think you posted all the ones that matter

I would add Gershwin dying young, and Ives losing his abilities to compose as well

>Debussy dying before being able to complete his last 3 sonatas

This one hurts the most, as well as Ravel dying a slow death

>>72721567
Would've been interesting to see how Rott turned out too. I wasn't completely taken by his symphony, but his quartet is pretty good - especially for his age.

>>72721567
>Alain killing 16 Nazis before getting gunned down and depriving us of further organ music
>Purcell dying because his wife was a bitch and didn't like him staying out late
>Wunderlich tripping down some stairs and cracking his head open

Less tragic because they died at an older age, but still prematurely:
>Webern getting shot by a silly American
>Finzi dying of Hodgkin's disease

More "trivial"/not really related to death:
>Sibelius destroying his 8th symphony
>Bruckner not writing down any of his organ music/improvisations
>All the lost music of the Renaissance

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>>72721729
>>Webern getting shot by a silly American

>Webern never got the chance to see virtually every Western composer of the last 70 years following his musical philosophy

>>72721761
Might've hated it just like Schoenberg did.

>>72721826
Source on what Schoenberg thought about the academia going full avant-garde?
I'm very interested in his point of view.

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Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYttNtZKkaQ

>>72722151
>"I was never revolutionary. The only revolutionary in our time was Strauss!"
>"My works are 12-tone *compositions*, not *12-tone* compositions"
https://youtu.be/btlxxfXcXR0?t=2825

This entire "portrait" is worth watching if you want a better perspective on him as a person and a composer.

>>72722286
Thanks, I'll listen to it tonight

i'm looking to get into classical, what are some really eccentric composers i should check out

>>72722963
really wild, unusual, very experimental

>>72722988
Bartok, Stravinsky, Webern

is this /pseud/ general?

>>72715444
>Beethoven is worst girl
delete this

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>>72715229
>actual anime op
We've come far.

>>72723230
so far these are all pretty good, cheers
>>72723261
i'm not exactly sure how to describe the sort of sound i'm looking for. however, anamorphosis definitely hits the mark. the other two are also great, but the first one is definitely the sort of stuff i'm looking for

Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUkafxQbWtU

>>72719822
>Musical forgery, what is unfinished is unfinished.
What a terrible way to think about music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm7tCxRJlss

>>72722882
Webern is pretty eccentric as far as "out-thereness" goes, but why would you want your first introduction to a genre to be its eccentricities? Listen to the "classics" first, then move on to stranger territories.

>>72723974
nowadays it's somewhat impossible to not have heard some of the "classics" through other mediums, and honestly they don't interest me as much as the stranger territories do

>>72723756
these are really good, cheers

>>72724182
Of course ! Magyar traditional songs like czardas are in minor scale as some russian songs

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>>72724182
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z4Lz1DYcnE

>>72724182
I don't think the last movement to Mozart 40 is particularly sad or angsty.

Redpill me on Buxtehude

>>72724492
he's like bach but before bach and is someone to name drop if you wanna impress a hot classical momma

>>72724527
Just give him a quick rundown.

>>72724492
He's like Bach but before Bach was alive and his daughter is so ugly that both Bach and Handel declined the position of his successor as kappelmeister on the condition that they marry her

>>72724756
Buxtehude himself was horrendous.

>>72724792
Dude looked like he had Downs. Probably why he made such good music.

>>72724756
Damn. Being Buxtehude's daughter is suffering. To be so unattractive that your ugliness is a tale for the ages... poor girl.

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>>72725228

>>72715229
thank you for posting an anime image

>>72715677
kys

who is good at chopin's mazurkas

>all those deleted posts
Holy hell

>>72724293
I don't know what that other guy was talking about but I just want you to know that you have superb taste.

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>>72724822

nah

>>72726141
It's always funny when a IP gets all their posts deleted at once. You get to see all their shitposts tied together.

>>72726243
Moar liek Buxtehideous.

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>>72726634

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALOko0VRCqk

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Suggestions for composers like Leo Ornstein or Leo Delibes?

What about works/artists who do works like Debussy's six 'Images'?

>>72715229
I'm a classical music plen. Can anyone rec me pieces similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata?

>>72727718

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN-0DSs9xro

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Am I a pleb if Debussy is my favorite composer?

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>>72728404
Regrettably so anon. I'm afraid the only cure is suicide and hoping that you'd reincarnate into someone who isn't limp-wristed.

>>72728443
B-but my second favorite is Dvorak