Why have they never contributed anything to the development

>>72659429
They're all autistic

>>72659446
What is this?

>>72659429
They have. You just don't leave your pathetic Anglo-oriented safety bubble.

>>72659446
This is complete horse shit

>>72659429
noise music

>>72659500
>who is Luigi Russolo

Recommend some jap experimental rock

your ignorance is cute

>>72659446
Wow, you definitely need to learn how to properly design a graph, you retarded fuck.

Your question is absolutely stupid, OP. But in any case, they don't need to contribute anything to music: they have already contributed a shit-ton to film and literature.

>>72659429
Yellow Magic Orchestra were as important as Kraftwerk.

>>72659429
Because they're more interested in experimental music

>>72659446
bwahahahaha

>>72659429

Yellow Magic Orchestra exist.

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i don't know about you OP but while this album hasn't had a massive influence on the industry, it's a fucking fantastic album, and deserves a lot more recognition

yo yo yo
they created the 808 howboudah

>>72660329
>they don't need to contribute anything to music: they have already contributed a shit-ton to film and literature
No?

Japan has its own music. It doesn't really get marketed here because casual lads won't buy something that isn't in their vernacular. Everyone in Japan learns English in school and youth culture was born in the anglosphere and imported to Japan by the occupying US forces so Japan would actually have a larger and more internationally aware pop music scene than the English speaking world.

That's probably why they're making the best pop music now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAgQ5InIO_Q

>>72660397
its posted literally a hundred times a day. it got plenty of recognition

>>72660577
No what? Are you saying that they haven't produced good cinema and literature? Japan has the most consistent national cinema produce of any country in the world and modernist Japanese literature rules hard.

They also make loads of good music, though, it just isn't exported to nearly the same extent.

>>72659429
they're more comfortable with imitation than the western world which places value on innovation

>>72660928
Are you actually fucking retarded? All western music is about imitating the music of the past. This isn't the 70's anymore, dawg.

>>72660948
zoom out from your tiny pop music bubble and you'll see what i mean

>>72660699
>he thinks popular music = pop music

>>72660397
What album is this?

>>72659446
this picture really proves a point: racists are retards

>>72660990
Great post, you almost actually said something. Keep trying, you'll get their eventually.

>>72659442
what do you mean ohpee

>>72661005
reverse image search

>>72659429
>what is the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack

>>72660987
Dude, just because The Velvet Underground innovates something and then 5000 artists from the west copy it doesn't mean the west favors innovation

The same thing happens with Japanese music, one band innovates and a thousand bands copy them, that's just how music works everywhere

>>72661118
the west certainly favors innovation. being first to something is equally important, if not more so, than being the best at something. you see this everywhere in music, sports, academia, everything. this isn't reflected in the east.

>>72659429
>Why have they never contributed anything to the development of popular music?
>Yoko Ono

>>72661160
Okay, if you want to argue the west favors applying innovation to those that stole from others, I can go with you, but actually encouraging it is another thing altogether and just flat out wrong

>>72661160
I don't know why you made up this weird argument but you're a fucking retard,

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>>72659446
THIS IS WHY MACRON WON

their jazz fusion game is out of this world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edc2yVHRHiQ

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>>72661118
>The Velvet Underground innovates
>The Velvet Underground
>innovates

>>72661041
You misconstrued OP and I pointed out why, clearly you're just stupid and I shouldn't have bothered

>>72661401
No I didn't. They have their own indigenous popular music as well as anglophonic popular music. They made their own and now make stuff informed by both. Very clearly what I wrote.

Calling someone stupid because you can't read is pretty ironic mate.

>>72661456
But POPULAR MUSIC does not equal POP MUSIC
The term "popular music" refers strictly to how the music is distributed and encompasses much of modern music, your talk about the "pop music scene" is irrelevant.

>>72661511
Why are you sperging out about semantics?
Pop music literally means popular music anyway, regardless of pop becoming a genre in its own right.

>>72661610
But you were specifically talking about pop music the genre and not popular music, meaning your point had little to do with the question

very dumb post

Ryuichi Sakamoto. Ask Bowie about him

>>72661648
Not at all. I wrote that they developed their own popular music - this is now the third time I've written that. That is literally the answer to the OP. The music that was popular in Japan was made in Japan.

Learn to read, stop getting upset for literally no reason.

>>72659429
best noise/ noise rock comes from japan

>>72661803
Not true for the noise rock part but they certainly do a lot for noise music in general

>>72661698
>they developed their own popular music
That is heavily derivative of Western popular music, congrats

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Japan is literately the only Asian country worth a damn musically.
Korea is just some weird abomination of the jpop system and american pop music were all the acts make watered down western pop music and get plastic surgery to look like white people.
And i think in china they only let you sing communist songs and if you dont they take you to a room were there is one hanging light bulb and the last thing you hear is a gunshot.


The japanese were pioneers and contributors to electronic music.
The pioneers of electronic music were artsy fartsy and academic white and japanese guys

>>72662017
t. brainlet who doesn't realise Japan existed before WW2

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this music is 50 years ahead of its time

>>72662097
Please hammer, don't hurt 'em

>>72662017
google "Ryūkōka", uncultured swine.

Japan appropriated western music but put a Japanese spin on it.
The Japanese also have a lot of musical variety, they make experimental weirdo music but they also make garbage pop music.


You look at korea and its just Asian people imitating white people imitating black people.


And if you dont know who yellow magic orchestra is, city pop, shibuya kei. I want you to give me your badge and your gun and go back to reddddit

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>>72659446
>>72659446
>>72659446

>>72659429
Literally Nirvana wouldn't sound what they sound like if it weren't for boredoms.

Onkyo

>>72659442
You're just mad you don't have a fidget spinner

>>72663049
So you're saying that boredoms contributed towards the creation of bad music

GLORIOUS NIPPON MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvD3CHA48pA

>>72663350
I wanna fuck all three of them, no homo.

>>72659429
>never invented the 808
>never invented the jazz chorus
>never invented the cs80 or dx7
>never made cheap trick famous
checks out

>>72663465
MOAR GLORIOUS NIPPON MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TkHpvaO09c

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Wagakki band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all western music

>>72663487
You need to get the pro wrestlers who are also idols band too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6B_oEtBhnM

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>>72664120
>tfw you'd totally let her choke you the fuck out

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>>72664146
She's actually pretty good, too.

One of these is also a wrestler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c34H3NcqFWY

Japanese popular music crosses all media.

YET MOAR GLORIOUS NIPPON MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2OtgpKYSP8

>>72662097
So did westernization brainlet

>>72664508
>innovations in Japanese music don't exist because I think the good old USA is responsible for everything.
Stop posting forever, senpai.

>>72659446
>Miles Davis
>Kendrick Lamar
>In the same list
Make your baits more believable at least.

>>72664576
No one said that. There is a distinct Japanese spin on it but it is completely taken from western pop. You think their music would sound anything like it does without exposure to the west which they made a point to emulate?

I like their soundtracks a lot

Also nip metal is good.

>>72662083
retard

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>>72659429
?

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>>72659446
WE

>>72659446
The white people/black people thing is debatable ofc but I think this chart brings up a legitimate point that the Japanese are great imitators as opposed to innovators.

>>72664624
>this thing from Japan made by a Japanese person is 100% Western and not Japanese
Stop. If you want to make an actual point word it properly, right now you're just being a retard.

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>>72664694
!!!

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>>72659446
>merzbow is better than mozart
>the beatles are better than miles davis

>>72664745
Stop being a mad weeb, you are spinning what I'm saying. Japanese people wouldn't even argue it.

i love japanese lyrics *slits wrists*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GtFMeM63h0

City pop is uniquely Japanese.
Shibuya-kei as well.

I like Tatsuro Yamashita. But Japanese music really was only good during the bubble era.

>>72664784
city pop is just jap'd adult contemporary though

>>72659429
YMO was instrumental in the development of techno and a major influence on hip hop

>>72664772
You haven't made any sense, mate. You keep saying that everything made in Japan is Western which is retarded.
So music played in Japan in the 1400s was from the West? Does music only include commercial recordings?
That's without trying to make sense of your weird "ideas belong to this Western nation" narrative implying that an awareness of or even implementation of parts of music that existed somewhere else first negates the creation of new ideas in music elsewhere.

Take your meds, lad.

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>>72664830
But the synths

List of Japanese classical composers on par with the Western greats:
>...

List of Japanese non-meme jazz composers on par with the American greats:
>...

>>72661106
Nigga yes, I honestly cannot listen to the intro song without a massive fucking grin on my face

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>>72659429

>>72664784
>But Japanese music really was only good during the bubble era
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLL91md6Y_o

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>>72664873
>non-meme jazz composers
???

>>72664904
You just proved my point.

>>72664784
>Shibuya-kei (Japanese: 渋谷系?, "Shibuya style") is an aesthetic[6] and an eclectic form of pop music[1] which flourished in the mid to late 1990s.[3] Emerging as Japanese retail music from the Shibuya district of Tokyo,[4] artists purveyed a cut-and-paste style that was inspired by previous genres based on kitsch, fusion, and artifice.[7] The genre was strongly influenced by 1960s culture and Western pop music

>>72664852
Music from 1400s is not relevant today or to the discussion. You started with an argument that "Japan existed before WWII" which implies you believe the music since then is highly westernized but Japan started rampant westernization in the 1800s, which included culture.

>>72659429
Their traditional music is comfy as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LojH3rFw0

>>72664905
exactly

>>72664931
Shit taste, anon.

But the Japanese gave us this amazing album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSCwoYcp0IY&t=537s

>>72664946
>the experts™ in /jazz/® have shit taste
whatever you say weeb

>>72664973
Tbh Kenny G is the pinnacle of jazz.

I like Hiroshi Sato
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phQ3KMHVXUs

>>72664918
Wow, so you're a massive, tasteless pleb.

>>72664925
>Music from 1400s is not relevant today or to the discussion on the development of popular music
>Music that was popular in Japan doesn't count because I say so
You can imply whatever you want, you can invent arguments you imagined all you want. That doesn't discount the fact that music existed in Japan before any alleged Westernisation. Regardless even then of your autistic obsession with elements of Western music existing in another country, that again doesn't discount that people in that country made music with an awareness of it. You are literally arguing nothing.

>>72665049
Japan makes good music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eePIT3fHEac

>>72665061
You are shifting the goalposts. I don't know what your argument was with the other anon, I'm only saying that Westernization happened LONG before WWII and I guarantee you were not referring to any music before that when ou were making whatever point you wanted to.

>omg they had pre-historic music

your logic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRgLhEGEetc

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>>72659429

>>72665134
>I read an arbitrary date in this discussion and have assigned it a total value demanding that the conversation is about a specific date
Just picked that because the US occupied Japan and implemented their onto them culture afterwards. Japanese music existed before then - hundreds of years before then. I don't need to specify because saying that every sing;le piece of music ever made in Japan is entirely derived from Western music is so completely fucking retarded that it shouldn't need to be explained to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k0wyAIkPhM
>so American
fuck off

>>72659429
He says this as he plays his japanese designed instruments

>>72665242
You said "Before WWII". That implies the time when they were already highly Westernized which is the ONLY period I was referring to. You are making up arguments I never made, including your fixation on America when I used "Western" literally every time.

>>72665355
Let's do a quick recap of this discussion, shall we?

>>72660699 is my point. You are arguing that Japan doesn't and hasn't made it's own music ever because it's all American in response to this.

Shut up.

>>72665242
>so American
Chinese*

>>72659429
ARE WE SERIOUSLY FORGETTING YELLOW MAGIC ORCHESTRA EXISTS!??!?!

>>72665451
Retard I already told you that Westernization, including music, existed pre-WWII, the era YOU highlighted. Whoever you argued with before was another anon.

Mad ass weeb.

Japan #1 at soundtracks for adapted material that rely on creating the music and not just picking songs to fit it

https://youtu.be/73WWpKyuWL4

>>72665599
PUT YOUR GRASSES ON

>>72665582
You're a fucking retard, mate.

>>72665724
>bring up valid point
>anon spergs out about 1400s in a thread about current popular music
>bring it back to the actual point
>anon continues madass weebotry

Cannot fabricate

>>72665902
>Post in thread explaining that Japan has its own popular music
>Autistic American spergs about about pop music
>Explain to him that he's being an idiot
>He spergs out pedantically about the history of trade relations between Japan and Western countries
>Re-explain that music indigenous to Japan existed all along which was the only point being argued the entire time
>"Haha, what a weeb! I sure showed him with my inability to read or understand the discussion!"
Bravo mate.

>>72666038
Are you still talking about someone else? How many times do I need to tell you that I only made ONE point and you were arguing with someone else previously you dense motherfucker.

>>72666086
I made one single argument, lad. I don't care how many people that you pretend not to be, it doesn't change the fact that what you are ranting about is nonsense and nothing to do with what I posted.
Learn to read. Don't take things so hyper literally. If you can't follow a simple discussion then you surely can't understand music so you should probably not be on this board at all.

>>72666137
Oh fuck off lmao

You made your argument on Japanese music being distinct based off pre-WWII when Japan already had Westernized culture and music. And then you shifted the goalposts to old ass music which has nothing to do with the topic and is based of Chinese culture anyway. Here, wanna seethe especially hard?

>weebs hate America
>Japan hates weebs
>Japan are Americaboos

The absolute state.

>>72664873
what the fuck nigga

>>72664959
also paraiso, best fucking albums to get absolutely shitfaced on tropical drinks to

>>72659446
this is right, don't fool yourselves

>>72664604
They do belong on the same list, I can make a case for it, but just like anyone else on /mu/ including myself, you came to hear yourself talk

>>72666489
jk tho

>>72666226
No one said any of that other than you. You must have some serious intellectual disability. Please stop posting without the supervision of your carer.

>>72666605
>No one said what I said
>the anon who is putting words in my mouth thinking I'm pretending not to be another anon

You're handling this very poorly, Bruce.

>>72666767
>Better derail this entire thread with my autistic rage, invent arguments and rant about them
>Anyone who responds explaining I'm a retard is a weeb and also guilty of posting the argument I randomly made up to whine about
What is wrong with you?

>>72666931
>>Better derail this entire thread with my autistic rage, invent arguments and rant about them

Jesus! About time you had some self-awareness. Good on you, mate.

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>>72659446
Shit graph and no

>>72667001
I hope you enjoyed stubbornly spamming your weird obsession with Japanese trade relations with no regard for logic or the actual point being discussed.

Hopefully someday you'll learn how to actually read instead of scanning for trigger words to rant about.

>>72667123
>trade relations

You aren't implying that Japan didn't go out of their way to emulate Western society as they saw it superior are you? That has everything to do with the conversation where I first replied to you.

>>72659429
Have you heard of these fellas called Yellow Magic Orchestra?

>>72659429
too intelligent to stoop to the level of appealing to plebs

You autism level is at an all time high, OP.
Not only is YMO important to Japanese music, Harry Hosono was years ahead from what every was releasing at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_93SrREKkE

>>72659446
>beatles better than miles davis
kys

>>72667262
i dont think anyone would ever dispute the fact that harry is an amazing artist and that we are blessed to be walking on the same planet as him

>>72667175
Literally was never what the conversation was about.
Most of the poss are, in fact, telling you that that is not what is being talked about which were responded to with more insane nonsense.

>>72667283
You must be mac demarco

>>72664905
I really fail to see what people see in this album. insanely generic elevator jazz

>>72667298
You made it about that you dolt. Holy shit.

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>>72659429
xiu xiu is one of the most ambitious and experimental bands of the 2000s and 2010s how dare you disrespect the Jamie

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Denki Groove is probably the best synthpop/electro/techno unit in popular music worldwide today.
After how Daft Punk started fucking up since 2012, DG had become my main band (went to see them in Tokyo twice already)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duq4chwqTvU

>>72659429

quarter of a century isolated does some dmg.

>>72667317
ive never actually listened to mac, whats the connection with him and hosono?

what is ymo?

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>>72667437
Mac worships Hosono, just compare his album cover to Hosono House

>>72667439
America-inspired weebwank

>>72667416
Actually meant to post this version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsLdnTt2Jg4

>>72659429
It's easy to say the same of pretty much any non-anglophone country in the world, until you realize that you are the one who doesn't really listen to anything else, which is why you are completely clueless about the very thing you are trying to make a point about. So not only you are a pleb who only listens to popular music, you are also a pleb who is stuck into anglo popular music.

>>72667487
lol thats pretty blatant yeah. i think im gonna give his music a chance based entirely on this piece of information

>>72667403
No, mate. There's this thing called the subject of a sentence. You literally need to learn how to read.

>>72667521
You're welcome anon.

>>72659446
>lets handpick a few experimental asian musicians and ignore the mountains of hot garbage that is popular music in east asia

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>>72659429
Oi cunt

>Boris
>Fishmans
>Merzbow
>Akria Yamaoka
>Mass of the Fermenting Dregs
>Grond Zero
>Melt-Banana
>Polaris
>Boredoms
>Malice Mizer

>>72667547
You're off it

>>72667561
>implying hot garbage isn't popular everywhere

>>72667565
>les rallizes denudes

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>>72667565
also add Hisato Higuchi

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>>72667565
>Malice Mizer

These guys were something else.
I still listen to Memoire after all these years and is still as fresh and good.

>>72659442
that makes the question even more relevant, friendo

>>72667588
you don't know pure audible dogshit until you listen to j-pop and k-pop though

>>72659456
iq chart

>>72667558
thanks man. you're cool

>>72667638
k-pop, yes
j-pop, plenty of experimenting and variation

Just look up Marty Weebman talk about it

>>72661679
I can't he's dead
>fucking idiot

>>72667638
I don't like k-pop but I just think it's merely inoffensive generic garbo. J-pop gets worse or better depending on where you are looking at.
Basically, opinions dude.

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>>72667663

>>72667691
It's pretty offensive to me. I find it to be the most devoid of any artistic merit of any music in the world and completely soulless. Of course all pop is like this but I think K-pop is the epitome of that. And I don't even hate pop. K-pop as a whole just really rubs me the wrong way.

>>72667729
>all pop

Should say most* pop

>>72667729
I don't think I'll ever absolutely hate it, but I can see where you are coming from.

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Uchoten was one of the most influential bands in Japan in the 80s and they influenced not only bands that would later become popular overseas (like Polysics or The Pillows), but also influenced the very subculture of Tokyo, the fans of Uchoten, called "nagomu gals", are said to be the proto-lolita, a fashion that's nowadays worldwide famous as well.

Anyway, they are good. Worth getting into.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRZWw1LFBBw

>>72667666
Trips confirms.

Tentenko makes experimental electronic noise pop, while being in an alt idol band. The amount of experimentation in the jpop alt idol scene is incredible. The concepts are handled by a guy who lets cute girls deliver them. The whole industry is like treating young women as paint on a canvas. It's incredible.

>>72667780
I don't even hate it. In fact while I think the vast majority of it is hot garbage they are capable of making extremely catchy songs and I like a couple quite a bit. I just feel like it's the fakest thing ever and I'm not into the plastics either which I think is the only reason it has the relevance it does.

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>>72659429
Touhou doujin circles music is the shit yo!

>>72663125
that's honestly my fourth favourite album of all time

>>72659429
>thread about Japanese music being shit
>turns out to be a goldmine of great Japanese music

Was this your plan all along OP?

>>72659446
only sjws disagree with this graph btw