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Trumpeter Donald Byrd's fifth release for the Blue Note label finds him experimenting with a new quintet format, joining with baritone saxophonist Pepper Adams on the frontline. In the rhythm section of the quintet are pianist Duke Pearson, bassist Laymon Jackson, and drummer Philly Joe Jones.

Pearson serves as the main composer for the session, and gives the date a laid-back, blues drenched sound with three compositions and a co-writing credit with Byrd. Pearson's "Say You're Mine" opens the set with a minor vamp that leads to some nice solos, though the rhythm section seems rather stuck by the vampy nature of the tune. "Duke's Mixture" has an easy swing and catchy melody, however the tune's most memorable feature is its charming dynamic drive which, coupled with the deep swing that the whole quintet achieves, gives the tune a sound more reminiscent of Basie than of Duke. "Hello Bright Sunflower" has a happy mood, underscored by the medium-up swing tempo and Byrd's bright tone on muted trumpet.

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>>72652068
"Each Time I Think of You" has a simple, but catchy melody that emphasizes the offbeats and the band seems comfortable within the medium swing tempo. The title track (written by Byrd) features a nice stop-time rhythmic figure to give its simple blues-based melody interest. Pearson contributes an especially good solo by Pearson where he occasionally moves beyond his typical blues-based approach. "Cute" is the sole cover tune (written by Neal Hefti) and gives the band a chance to blow over quick bebop tune. Byrd weaves fluidly and deftly through the changes, but the real treat is hearing Adams nimbly navigate the tune in spite of the challenging tempo. Philly Joe also gets a chance to let loose before the reiteration of the head.

It's a very fine hard bop album overall with nice compositions that have enough variety to maintain any listener's interest, yet share a common, blues-driven sound. Adams proves to be a good foil for Byrd, as both feature a highly melodic approach with a deep swing, but also have plenty of bebop technique that they use tastefully. The rhythm section swings hard and Pearson (whose solos aren't always his strongest point) sounds eminently comfortable on the changes and fits in well with the rest of the quintet. This is easily recommendable to all hard bop fans.

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>>72652068
i will search for this, looks interesting, thanks

>What are you listening to right now?
pic related

Who are your favorite trombonists?
Probably grachan moncur III, air raid is one of the most beautiful pieces of jazz i've ever heard and i really like george lewis stuff with braxton

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Didn't realize this thread was up and made another one, sorry.

Anyways, what do you guys think of Carla Bley?

>>72652302
i've only heard Nick Mason's Fictitious Sports, Escalator Over the Hill and 4x4
And well the stuff she composed to giuffre and paul bley to play, she's a great composer

What other albums you rec me?

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>>72652302
Nothing about her playing ever really stood out to me but she's a pretty good composer.

I like Paul's playing better, so this is a cool record.

is there a /jazz/ approved guide to getting into jazz
I'm wondering if I can really appreciate the stuff I've heard without hearing early traditional jazz
I guess I'll just listen to a bunch of shit

>>72652390
i actually started with the most experimental stuff and then i went to the traditional stuff, is just finding what you like first and then you explore more

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>>72652390
no reason you have to start with early jazz, but getting an understanding of that music will almost definitely give you a different appreciation of the later stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ19CZfLwm0
this, right?

Kevin Eubanks aoty 2017

Holy fuck, i didn't even know Paul Bley died

>>72652654
This is perfect, the chart on the wiki left a lot to be desired.
Also, nice marijuana tip lmao

>>72652858
yeah, that

>>72652654
does jtg not like Monk?

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which are some good free jazz or avant-garde jazz labels? i have listened to a bunch of hathut albums and some from criss cross

>>72653165
It was never meant to be an essentials chart. It was meant to be an introduction to the main jazz styles. Monk doesn't really fit into any of those styles, he's his own style.

>>72653362
Clean Feed, RogueArt

>>72653434
thanks mate

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anybody want any of these bootlegs?

>>72653676
Miguel Zenon and Dave Holland sounds nice, how is the quality?

>>72653732
which ones? The Zenon ones may not be the best quality but I think most of the Holland ones are pretty good.

>>72653783
What do you mean by "not the best quality"? Sorry for asking so much but I've never really kept a bootleg in my library for long

>>72651501
>What are you listening to right now?
Skatalites - Ska Ska Ska
ska which is a derivative of jazz

>>72653921
I mean none of them sound like studio recordings but they pretty much sound the same as what a decent official live release sounds like

>>72653976
Oh then that's fine, i would still like the Zenon ones then, i changed my mind about the Holland ones though, too much stuff to listen to.

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I heard the title track of pic related played at a local jazz festival and almost cried.

Do yourself a favor and give it a listen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DWJ3e1Jwo

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>>72654008
Miguel Zenon Quartet- Bimhuis 2015

First set- http://www72.zippyshare.com/v/nnqMMkkY/file.html
Second set- http://www72.zippyshare.com/v/dNmXRuIJ/file.html

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Miguel Zenon Quartet- Lotos Jazz Festival, Poland 2014

http://www72.zippyshare.com/v/Npl8VO67/file.html

>>72654505
>>72654603
Downloading then now, thanks.

>>72654650
Zenon and Perdomo are awesome

>>72653362
rune grammofon

How do i get into Monk?

where should I start with Eric Dolphy?

>>72655637
Depends what you like. If you like bebop check out his stuff with Chico Hamilton or Booker Little. If you're more into hard bop or modal jazz then check his recordings with Mingus and Coltrane. If you're more into free jazz or avant garde stuff then check out his releases as a leader, especially Out to Lunch and Iron Man

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>>72653362
ESP Disk
BYG actual
AUM fidelity
Impulse
these >>72653434
WHY NOT
Soul Note
Black Saint
of course ECM and Blue Note have some great stuff too. If you like hathut stuff i would reccomend looking at AUM fidelity and ESP disk first. i think they have some aesthetic similarities.
>>72653676
wanna hook me up with the Potter Trio, Craig Taborn trio and Roscoe Mitchell?

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>>72655627
honestly start with pretty much anything. maybe a live record from 63 like live in tokyo? but the guy didnt make bad music ever. just dont think about it, just listen to the guys soul. hes such beautiful player.

Do you guys like Chick Corea?

>>72656468
with miles yes but not a lot, after miles pretty much not at all.

>>72653434
I'm think RogueArt is defunct now or something. When producer Gerard Terrones died in March they sent an email saying:
"Gerard, you opened the way. Without you, RogueArt won’t exist. We will go as far as we can; we owe it to you."

They haven't released anything this year and haven't updated their site so I assume they were serious about that.

Also check Leo Records and Zorn's Tzadik

>>72656565
his best stuff was without Miles retard

I will listen to whatever the first five people to reply give to me, jazz only of course

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>>72656761

How do i get into William Parker?

Do you guys play any instruments?

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>>72651501
>What are you listening to right now?
Chick Corea and Gary Burton - Crystal Silence
Chick was so freaking amazing in the early 70s. Between Circle, the stuff with Miles, the Return to forever stuff and post bop like this, the man released classics in just about every stream of jazz that was active at the time. Maybe I should convert to scientology too.
>Who are your favorite trombonists?
Grachan Moncur, Sam Nanton, Jimmy Knepper, Conrad Herwig, Jose Davila and Curtis Fuller.

Shoutout to ya boy Delfeayo. The least musically gifted, but most fuckable Marsalis brother.
>What are your favourite jazz releases from this year?
Collin Vallon's Danse is my aoty by a long ways atm.

>>72657243
Listen to The Peach Orchard sporadically over the course of several months and each time, question why albums are allowed to be longer than two hours.

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>>72656761

>>72656761
To My Queen - Walt Dickerson

>>72651501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E62iA6KCIQ

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what other Conrad Herwig albums do you recommend? only heard this one and I want more like it

>>72659287
this is good

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>>72659502
Unseen Universe, Reflections, Land of Shadow, and Heart of Darkness are all good

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>>72656259
Chris Potter Trio- Jazz Festival Viersen 2003

http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/yKLGXS26/file.html

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>>72656259
Craig Taborn Trio- Bimhuis 2012

http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/FzhRjhBN/file.html
http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/gRtEO51v/file.html

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>>72660134
Roscoe Mitchell Trio- Willisau 2016

http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/vTNknSey/file.html

>>72651501
Empyrean Isles > Maiden Voyage
or:
Maiden Voyage > Empyrean Isles
?

>>72660165
both good. I think the compositions on MV are a little better though and the rhythm section sounds better too.

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>>72653676
>>72660154
>>72660134
>>72660112
Kewl. where'd you get these?

>>72660210
Hmm yes, but The Egg though.

>>72653676
if you have any time left, I'd be glad to have the Wayne Shorter one. btw, how did you get all those?

>>72659502
>>72660086
how do you listen to music with such bad cover art

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>>72660344
>>72660351
Just collected them from various sources over time.

Wayne Shorter Quartet- Merciac 2013

http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/2mn6mWTo/file.html

>>72660395
it's very easy, you just listen to it

>>72653676
aw shit nigger, I attended the New Morning quite a lot around 2009-2013, maybe I saw the SF collective concert

>>72655627
Monk's Dream is a great place to start. It has some well known Monk tunes on it and it's him with probably his best band line up.
>>72656468

Yes, he's one of my all time favorites.

>>72651501
Robin Eubanks has been up there for me lately. His chops are on a whole new level.

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>>72656761

Does anybody have any good recs for non-USA jazz from this year?

>>72662479

Finnish jazz from 2017:

Olli Hirvonen - New Helsinki (OK, this is Americans apart from Hirvonen, but still)
Jukka Perko Tritone - Dizzy
Raoul Björkenheim Triad - Beyond
Jukka Eskola Soul Trio - Jukka Eskola Soul Trio
OK:KO - Land E,
Jaska Lukkarinen Trio - Origami
Aki Rissanen/Robin Verheyen/Markku Ounaskari - Aleatoric: Songs for Solstice

I believe everything is on Spotify except for the Björkenheim Triad album.

>>72662614
Hey Jazzpossu. How's life?

>>72662727

:D

there are occasionally people posting about Finnish jazz that are not me, you know

I wasn't even the one who posted Five Corners Quintet in this thread earlier!

>>72662479
this guy writes good reviews of European jazz and has reviewed quite a few from this year
https://rateyourmusic.com/collection/Jazzis/strm_relyear/2017/1

>>72662837
seems like a good resource - Polish jazz is pretty interesting and you don't hear about new polish releases that much

>>72662788
It usually is tho. Not that I'm complaining, Nordic jazz that isn't Fire! and co. is tragically underrepresented.

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>>72662973
I still have no idea how the Angles 9 album has gotten so much attention this year - haven't really seen it much in Nordic jazz media

I guess people are just following new Clean Feed releases - not a bad thing

I don't remember if I ever plugged pic related before, but it's a Finnish group for anyone looking for more avant-minded Nordic large ensemble music

https://open.spotify.com/album/7aAy0mv8r8PNbyTlXTnjRf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrKhL9Zxyzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhrvXwl3ENc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHsWigpaghY

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>>72662479
here's a cool French one

https://open.spotify.com/album/0Wy8WCEASfJR4vR2XhwOIZ

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and something from Norway I've been listening to lately

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u8uNWIroJQ

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>>72662479

for anyone who's been digging the spiritual jazz revival type stuff coming out of the UK like Matthew Halsall's Gondwana Orchestra, Shabaka Hutchings or Nat Birchall, here's one coming out in June to look out for

singer Dwight Trible himself is an American and worked with the likes of Pharoah Sanders and Horace Tapscott, but I believe this is an all British band and the album is coming out on Halsall's tiny Gondwana Records label out of Manchester

essentially a contemporary Leon Thomas without the yodeling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fjbRtz4Oho

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>>72656625
dude, i just dont like chick in general. something about his language lacks color to me. you can like whatever you want and obviously when talking about someone thats regaurded as a jazz great im not passing value judgements. just what his playing makes me feel.
>>72660112
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>>72660154
many thanks my man!
>>72656761
pic related is good.

also, for the thread. i really love this video right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhpKRJYZPUE

>>72653676
I'm curious about the Dave Holland recordings. Especially the 60th birthday concert - is that any good?

Also did you make the covers yourself? They're pretty cool.

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>>72657243
I study with him and talk to him pretty frequently and will be performing with him in the fall (hopfully, he hired me but i will be in Amsterdam the whole 4th quarter of this years so i have to fly back). do you want an over view kind of thing where i say my main recc from each band he was in or do you want to tell me other music you like and i can tell you what you think youll like. ive listened to most of his discography by now but there is stuff i dont know.

>>72656468

I like a lot of Chick's stuff myself - some of it feels like a guilty pleasure though. I'll go see him live at every opportunity.

in general about /mu/ and Chick, I'd say albums with his own name on the cover are generally quite liked here up to A.R.C or so, his work with Miles is well respected and people who like fusion like the early Return to Forever albums

over here in Finland, with musicians born in the 70's Chick's more latin and later fusion stuff was incredibly influential in retrospect - My Spanish Heart type stuff and also the more questionable 80's fusion. There's like a whole generation of musicians who were grown up on that stuff, so you hear echoes of it quite a bit. Spain and Armando's Rhumba have to be up there for most loved and well known standards originally recorded after the 60's with local musicians and jazz fans.

>>72663254
Controversy more than anything else I'd say. Same deal with Kamasi, though he also had the Flylo endorsement going for him.

>>72664028
The DH Quintet recordings are all good. I treasure those since they just have a way different energy live verses in the studio. And since they don't play together anymore... still hoping for a reunion tour/shows or something though.

The 60th birthday concert is interesting- a good bit of it is kinda duet with Jim Hall and it's not really that great IIRC, but when the parts where Kenny Wheeler joins in are good. Then the second half is pretty cool because it's basically the quintet but with Jason Moran on piano filling in for Steve Nelson. It's the only time they had piano in the group as far as I know.

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>>72664031
there's nothing Finnish people love more than hearing what people in other countries think about us, so just askin' if you've heard this one with Mikko Innanen on sax whose large ensemble stuff I linked to earlier?

I personally got to know Parker through his work with David S. Ware FWIW

>>72664235
Well damn, now I want to hear all of them. If it's not a pain in the ass anyway.

Jim Hall and Kenny Wheeler was what attracted me to the birthday gig, so glad the bits where they're together are good.

>>72664336
i love the David S. Ware quartet. do you have a favorite drummer for the band, out of curiosity? I dont know that record but it looks fantastic and i love Cyrille. i dont think i know the sax player at all. i will listen to this later if i can find it. Currently listening to 5 miles records for a paper i gotta write.

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>>72664183
>some of it feels like a guilty pleasure though
He's such a good guilty pleasure though. Pic related is like the poster child for poorly aged, but I think it's actually really entertaining because of how disgustingly 80s it is. Some of it is legit kind of epic if you can get over how much some of the synths and melodic ideas sound like they came straight off the Mario Cart soundtrack too.
I also love imagining them dancing like robots like in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnAtaneReNI&ab_channel=chikaipon
Who thought this was a good idea?

>>72664213
hmh. an interesting observation - very different from Kamasi in pretty much every way, but there is a locally controversial angle to it for sure

basically Innanen himself is an Ornette Coleman -type player with one foot rooted in bebop-tradition, but also an affinity for free jazz - the rest of the band is a mix of more avant-garde players with also some players who are known for their melodic and groovy material like Verneri Pohjola and Jukka Eskola, so there's an element of bringing some more mainstream players out of their comfort zones.

basically it's music in the ICP / Globe Unity Orchestra vein; in the US, stuff Ken Vandermark would be involved in is the closest thing - critics and long time afficionados love it, casual jazz fans and larger audiences don't care at all

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Has anyone else heard this /rarepaul/?

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>>72664471
do you know anything about the scene in amsterdam? i will be studying at pic related for the fall semester.

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>>72664357
Here's the Birthday recording

Dave Holland- 60th Birthday Concert

http://www63.zippyshare.com/v/pQcDphRL/file.html

>>72664581
Literally fuck the Dutch

>>72664420
Innanen hasn't really made a breakthrough in the States so I'm not surprised - he has multiple albums out on TUM Records that has some visibility, but TUM (wisely) doesn't really put marketing behind the Finnish lead releases in the US, just the stuff with Americans like Wadada as the main act.

I think he's done some studies in New York and for many years he'd spend months there just composing and playing with local people. Go ask the guys at Downtown Music Gallery and they'll know him and have some records Mikko has personally brought there for sale, but that's as close to US fame he has in reality, I think. :D

As for drummers with Ware, I guess I have to say Susie Ibarra - she was at the very least the most interesting one in terms of me checking out other projects she was involved with.

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>>72664357
And here's the DHQ at JazzBaltica... maybe the best of the bootlegs I have? Chicago is also very good.

Dave Holland Quintet- JazzBaltica 2003

http://www63.zippyshare.com/v/GJyjGFVE/file.html

>>72664562
yeah it's really good

>>72664677
Yeah. I like hearing post-Jarrett Gary Peacock with Paul because he always brings out the best in Gary to my ears.

>>72664581
as far as I know Bimhuis is one of the greatest jazz venues operating today, so there's that

the scene seems good, although from the Nordic perspective it doesn't look like a major hub for new stuff like Rhythmic Music Conservatory in Copenhagen does for example

since you're a Parker -student, you should fit in well though. The Dutch have a long history of appreciating free expression.

A decent number of local musicians I know have done some studies there and it certainly should be a respectable school, but not a place that seems like a hot spot of new interesting groups in Europe to me, but that is likely to Nordic/German/Francophone scenes being pretty small and local for the free/avant stuff that I believe Amsterdam should be strong in.

>>72664562
a lot more stuff from Hat Hut is now available on Spotify lately after they were acquired (as I posted about this week...), so I've been checking that out

just listening to this now, beautiful stuff

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>>72664626
haha wow man, that sounds fucking great. the mention that hes ornette-like in another post got me interested and the downtown music gallery always knows the good shit, though i am not a ny guy, im philly. On ibarra, thats interesting cause i like her more with the quartet than brown or drake as well but i like hamid drakes work more then most of hers outside that group. ive heard her do solo improvs that are fucking breathtaking.

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Cringe:http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-750769.html

>The thing is, to the untrained ear (e.g., mine), the listener can't tell if the musicians are all playing a scripted (is that the right word?) series of notes or going off-script.

>>72664795
Yeah, Peacock has played with everybody though. I also like his playing on some of Marc Copland's and Marilyn Crispell a lot. Basically I just think he works really well with a good pianist.

>>72664902
yeah, I kind of agree on that - I'd rec checking out Drake's work more than Ibarra's, but in the context of Ware's quartet the ones with Ibarra made me more curious to check her other stuff

>>72664934
It looks like people gave good answers though... to people who have never touched an instrument, have no idea how to read music, and never really listened to music other than what's on the radio you can imagine jazz would be really confusing.

>>72664837
thanks for the insight my man. i keep hearing that they like free stuff in amsterdam which should be good to me haha. Im always slightly put off by a lot of european jazz unfrortunately cause the rhythm is just so different. i mean a lot of the harmonic and melodic material has a familiarity but the difference in rhythmic concept is always slightly jarring. im always upset at myself for having trouble embracing it.

>>72665016
But Still:

>Thank you for the explanation, pulykamell. Do you know Miles was going off-script simply because you can recognize it, or do you know the story behind the recording?

>I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering how you would know.

>>72665017
I think you'll be alright. Eurofags often can't into US post-bop styles (or rather the musicians who do move there to study), but more free forms appear to work fine for the most part and practically any local Euro jazz community will have a sizable segment that loves their free jazz and avant-garde.

For example, I think something like http://www.instantjazz.com/ feels like a natural thing to exist operating out of Europe

>>72665275
I've heard that Europeans don't know tunes like Americans do but they can read originals better than anyone.

>>72664934

can't be bothered to read the Straightdope thread as that is the oldest and whitest community in all of Internets with very little insight into shit like this, but it's an interesting topic

I certainly believe that in jazz "the medium is the message" in a lot of ways - the whole core appeal is the unpolished nature of the end result. It is valuable that you're hearing an actual human being reacting to shit.

Jazz is really more about the process than the end result - if the process wouldn't matter, we could just iterate on solos on the same head and get "better jazz". It's really about this whole process revealing the humanity of the individual musicians - the imperfections become part of the art.

Jazz is about people doing things, it's really about individual humans reacting to things. It's not about "creating the most pleasing music", it's about bringing to light all the processes how people remember and react to things.

To me jazz is the best art because it's so damn human - all about how you remember, perceive and react to things, all about what makes us humans instead of machines.

In the end jazz is about the people, not the music.

>>72665275
frankly i came up around mostly black musicians and black music so im used to something either relating to swing or is free in a spiritual sense but i love me my ECM so im sure ill be able to fit in okay. Also going on what bleyfag said, i love composing and plan to do a lot of it over the summer so is a jam session more of a reading each others tunes thing? are most gigs all original music or just charts of non standards from european records they like?

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>>72665066
Well shit, even as a jazz musician I love it when it becomes difficult to tell where the composition ends and the improvisation begins.

And relating to the subject of hatOLOGY records I just recently listened to this one, where they do a tune called Improvised Counterpoint where in the liner notes Eskellin says even he's not really sure what parts of it were composed and which parts were improvised.

>>72665387
well-said

>>72665334
There's definitely a difference.

I think the biggest cause is that student's who are drawn to interpreting standards just move to the US - the most advanced shit based on the tradition has always been in the US while Europe has been stronger in taking the jazz spirit to new pastures.

Over here original material is almost expected from every new group - it's really rare that you'll ever get an album of standards if it's not some shoddy ACT music tribute release.

To be blunt about it, there is a split along cultural appropriation -lines, interestingly split in different lines that both aim to respect the tradition of jazz - there is definitely a group of Euro-jazzers who feel like applying jazz principles to their local musical culture is the thing - take the idea of improvisation and creative expression, but apply it to local tradition, but on the other hand there are jazz musicians that feel like the afro-american jazztradition is the real tradition and just taking parts of it is would be disrespectful.

>>72665642
>definitely a group of Euro-jazzers who feel like applying jazz principles to their local musical culture
This is something I like a lot, especially from Scandinavian musicians.

>>72665642
>>72665692
agreed, i frankly feel like the europeans sound better when they are taking broader jazz concepts, like improv and expressionism, and applying them to their own cultural sounds as opposed to when the euro guys are trying to play like black americans. of course with some exceptions though, the frenchman Jean Jacques Avenel or brit dave holland for example.

>>72665443
in the Nordics a jam session is guaranteed to be all US standards, I don't expect this to be different anywhere in Europe

actually in the Finnish scene all musicians are now really excited about local pianist Seppo Kantonen putting in work to compile the first "Finnish Real Book" that will really be the first public source of charts for at least 50 years of local small-ensemble tunes that all local musicians have heard but never even could become even local standards because lack of tradition unless they have some sort of personal connection to the composers group or such

the Finnish jazz federation also has it's 50th anniversary last year and a big outcome was that there was an accomplished group raising the level of performance on some familiar Finnish tunes to be on the level of any serious standards playing US group

so in summary, it's just a bonus if you know a local tune, never required for jams - definitely one of the greatest ways to establish yourself; know a local tune and have a good new idea how to play it and you'll be a god, I'd say

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>>72665387
This

>>72665769
I think this is the big one

You want to play modern US post-bop - off to New York you go!

There is definitely a sizable audience for other kinds of expression in Europe and it's no worse as art or culture goes. It's actually a pretty common thing that yes, you can get most gigs in NY, but there's never any money - in Europe gigs actually pay, so you can make a living doing your thing instead of trying to be a "hit".

Come on in, the water's fine.

>>72665952
oh i didnt mean to imply the culture was less rich or prevelent. it just always sounds better when you play yourself vs playing someone else really. haha hey man im fucking excited to see what the deal is. i have to admit i dont consider myself well informed in european jazz and improv music but i know and love alot more of it then most philly musicians but were probably even more of traditionalists on average then NYC.

>>72666096
quite the opposite - you seem like someone built for our EU education!

jazz is great, all forms of it are great - kill tradition, live strong

>>72666277
oh thanks man, i take that as a compliment. haha most of the previous exchange students ive met from the school in amsterdam are really bothered by how traditionalist the philly scene is. all of them have had remarkable technique and write alot as well.

You can easily be a god with some prep-work!

With the Macron-win and Brexit and US race struggle...

There has to be some good jazz-friendly theme there?

Then establish yourself as the art for this convoluted time

>>72666455
here also you can see me being drunk!

>>72666602
>>72666455
top kek man hahah listen some monk.

>>72666676
you just spend an afternoon listeng to Monk's Casino and you're set on monk - right

https://open.spotify.com/album/6awGQ17Mhke7OHu5N5vQjS

>>72666676
best idea ever: always when going to a new learning environment, contact the teachers first

go prepared and you will be a god

this will follow you yo sessions :O

>>72667971
this is kind of interesting

both Redman and Mehldau charactres eager to go there way

both having to make time for the other being all old timey, but neither one has anything to lose

I feel like I've heard everything by the time Ornithology comes to a close.

>>72667971
Always found both of these two to be overrated. They're both amazing players but there are so many other saxophonists and pianists I'd rather listen to.

I guess Mehldau has the whole contrapuntal thing that sets his playing apart, but I can never hear anything unique or special in Redman's playing. And I've seen him live several times.

>>72664031
I would like "an overview kind of thing" please

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Who are some artists who make better sidemen than leaders?

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>>72669221
Freddie Hubbard

>>72663759
I dig this sample, anon

>>72669221
I feel that way about Chris Potter. Some of his albums are pretty good but I think his best playing is on other people's albums.

>>72657657
i play drums

>no mark guiliana
>no nate smith
>no nate wood
>no jason lindner
>no donny mccaslin
>no kneebody
>no brad mehldau
>no yasei collective

does nobody here enjoy modern jazz

>>72671818
what's your favorite Donny McCaslin record?

>>72671847
casting for gravity, yours?

>>72671864
Probably Declaration

>>72671864
also In Pursuit and Recommended Tools are both pretty cool

Favorite drummers anyone?

>>72673765
Max Roach
Art Blakey
Elvin Jones
Tony Williams
Joe Chambers
Billy Hart
Jeff 'Tain' Watts
Ari Hoenig
Antonio Sanchez
Eric Harland
Donald Edwards

>>72659287
Thank you for the share. I l like this.

>>72651501
tom waits swordfishtrombone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDGhJtEsmj8

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this album is soooo goooood

What jazz should I listen to if I liked La La Land's soundtrack and musical numbers.

>>72657657
Guitar and gonna pick up flute over the summer. Jazz guitar is so fun, don't know how I enjoyed playing the instrument before learning jazz theory

Do you need an understanding of musical theory to be able to appreciate jazz? I listen to a small handful of jazz here and there when I'm in the mood for it, but I really couldn't begin to even explain what I like about it.

>>72677954
You don't need to know any music theory to appreciate any kind of music. The only thing you will learn to appreciate by knowing music theory is how the music is put together. That might give you new insights and new ways of looking into the music itself, but music is ultimately a sequence of interesting sounds, and the only thing you need to do is listen to it.

(This is the standard advise given over in /classical/ but I'm pretty sure everyone here would agree.)

>>72673765
Tony Williams, Sonny Payne, Rashied Ali, Tony Oxley, Max Roach, Michael Suchorsky

>>72677592
Watch Whiplash.

>>72678036
This, and I think it's important to understand that music theory is just a system for understanding the patterns in music and to be able to replicate and discuss them. If you can say why you like a piece of music in that "the way this instrument and this instrument sound together is really cool" you're already looking at things through the lens of music theory. Knowledge of in-depth music theory just lets you take that to a more detailed level; the point of it is still just to be able to specify what you think sounds good, not to qualify it as "good" or "bad" music.

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Should Grant Green have done this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu7FLoiCQG0&ab_channel=whiteray1

>>72677954
As the other people have said, music theory by itself won't really change the way you listen to jazz. Hardcore ear training and audiation along with theory might change things some, but the thing that would really change the way you listen to jazz is playing jazz with other people.

>>72651501
>What are you listening to right now?
the radio. it was curtis mayfield and the impressions, "we're a winner" I think it was called. now it sounds like a Minnie Ripperton thing is coming on
the last jazz thing I copped was those Stan Kenton chronological classics from the sharethread but haven't done a full session yet.

>Who are your favorite trombonists?
golly, I don't think I know any trombonists very well. none of the records I have have a trombonist as a bandleader. I never really thought about it. I guess I'll say Fred Wesley but strictly jazz I dunno

>What are your favourite jazz releases from this year?
I can barely keep up with my backlog of old stuff. I'm ignorant of the new music. round about 2000 I went and saw Ken Vandermark because he actually came to where I lived. The performance was real dope; I copped the CD but I found out that I can only do free live, I can't sit around the crib and listen to it because (as y'all probably determined from my prior responses) I'm a huge pleb. That's about as new as I ever got.