>Kurt Cobain kills himself after Nirvana becomes too big for

They realized they were killing rock and tried to stop but it was too late.

Alice in Chains are still good with DuVall tho.

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But Kurt was murdered

even if they had handled it well, grunge was a fad and would have just soured had they continued. alice in chains was my favorite grunge band by far, still give jar of flies a listen every few weeks

>>72647477
Hole were better than Nirvana desu.

>>72647477

nah the evidence leads to most likely a suicide, its just that bitch abused the fuck outta him

because they hate themselves and they deserved to die

Cobain and Staley's suicides(and Staley did deliberately and willingly commit suicide even if it wasn't as immediate as blowing his brains out with a shotgun) had more to do with them realizing that fame and money weren't going to make up for their shitty upbringings and the emotional instability and personal dysfunction that resulted from those upbringings.
Staley also had the added bonus of his ex-fiancee killing herself with drugs first(after becoming destitute and forced to prostitute herself for drug monex), which by all accounts fucked him up pretty bad and made him even more self-destructive than he was before.

Soundgarden blew up in a pretty typical rockstar-esque way after their egos all blew up.

Pearl Jam, being the grunge equivalent of U2 and sharing U2's martyr complex, felt a sense of guilt about their massive success and tried to regain some personal sense of "authenticity" following Ten.
U2 did the same, only they did it by spending the 90s satirizing themselves and the very ideas of celebrity and rockstardom, whereas Pearl Jam just stopped making music videos and said a lot of dumb shit in interviews.

>>72647895
The Afghan Whigs were better than any of the big grunge bands and should have been the biggest American rock band of the 90s, but eh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWT7j4xXueg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvICV4_Jqnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st_69q853Z8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsQcNgExCNE

Live Through This is better than anything Nirvana ever did except for maybe In Utero though, I agree about that.

>Layne Staley
>heroin addict
>give him a ton of money
>becomes even more addicted

WOW HOW DID THIS HAPPEN

That's what happens when you buy into your own hype and the "tortured genius" image that the music press makes up for you.

>>72647895
This.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB6AGSzw8hw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0sbjPvin0U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2NZhXoEu6o

>>72647895
>t.Courtney

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>>72647895

>>72647426
The medium became the message mate. Then again maybe it always was with that shit.

>>72647453
lol someone gotta post their gig with the symphony in one of those worst performances of all time threads. Only time I've ever seen that guy sing AIC, poser wannabe rock god, anyone who dresses like that has no business being in a grunge band

If you had told me in 1996 that Scott Weiland would make it until 2015 I wouldn't have believed you.

>>72647426
>Why were grunge bands so shit at handling success?

Because none of them were really built to survive in the landscape of mass pop culture and major labels. They were never supposed to become anything more than indie bands or minor, Headbangers Ball-tier major label bands at best.
Becoming the biggest bands on the planet naturally brought too much pressure onto them.

>>72649912
> le grunge aesthetic
Pls go

>>72647895
fuck off Courtney

>>72648249
>Staley also had the added bonus of his ex-fiancee killing herself with drugs first(after becoming destitute and forced to prostitute herself for drug monex)

im didnt know about that. damn.

>>72647477
cali dewitt did it. he had a hand in it at the very least

>>72647477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho2nK5IQs_g

I mean she probably didn't but Nick Broomfield's doc is insane.

It's baffling to me that Staley lasted as long as he did. He looked extremely weak and malnourished all the way back in 1996, despite how much effort he put into concealing it. Dude could barely sit up straight during AIC's Unplugged gig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__biilMpnmw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C-4gdI7uzU

>>72650064
maybe not directly

>>72647477
Nah. He had something like Crohn's disease. Lots of young people with it end up killing themselves.

>>72650133
go away Courtney

>>72650133
>My, there's this huge gaping wound in my head from that shotgun I just used to kill myself with
>Better wipe my fingerprints clean from the gun before anyone finds my dead body

>>72648249
Brobly gonna DL that one Afghan Whigs album thanks for the exposure

>>72648249
afghan whigs peaked when they dropped all ties with the sub pop grunge/alternative sound and just became a full on hard-edged r&b band instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNInybP02gI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0L5r8Rw8w

1965 is a fucking masterpiece

>>72650133
He talks about something with his stomatch

But the drugs sure helped.

Anyway, Nervermind is one of those 10/10 albums. You play it nowadays and it's still as good as it ever was.

Literally every song is a 10 and super catchy. I just listened to it the other day after ages and I have


>IM ON A PLAAAAAAAAAAIN UUUUUU
>LOVE MY SEEELF BETTER THAN YOU
>IM SOO HAPPY CAUSE TODAY I FOUND MY FRIENDS

etc stuck in my brain. Kurt sense of melody was underrated. I like how in Teen Spirit he just made the main vocal melody the guitar solo. Everything just fits perfectly on those songs.
The whole thing is underrated because it got so popular it became a meme.

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>>72648473
Never saw it coming desu

>>72647426

cuz they were all manic depressives and thought being depressed all the time was deep

except for kim thayill. he is cool

>>72648249
>Pearl Jam, being the grunge equivalent of U2 and sharing U2's martyr complex, felt a sense of guilt about their massive success and tried to regain some personal sense of "authenticity" following Ten.

this pretty spot on

would say also vedder's ego got so big he wouldnt let the others write anymore

>>72650117
such skin and bones . fuck opiates

>>72647453
no they fucking aren't goddammit, if i curse enough will that convince you you fucking slut

>>72647426
Majority of them had autism

>>72647426

How the fuck did Peal Jam fuck their career up? To this day they're one of the most succesful touring bands and almost every concert is always sold out

>>72647426
>>Kurt Cobain kills himself after Nirvana becomes too big for him to handle
hahahahaha, dweebs actually think this.
Daily Reminder: he was always complaining that Peal Jam was getting played on MTV more than Nirvana and was paranoid that his relationship with MTV wasn't strong enough. He wanted to be the biggest band in the world. He killed himself because he was a drug addicted pussy who had no decent material left and he knew it would be the best thing for his career to "burn out" rather than "fade away", and he was right.

>>72651753
True, but they could have had a U2 career with massive hits off of every album for decades if they stuck to the formula, rather than just a devoted Grateful Dead-like fanbase.

>>72651489
>cuz they were all manic depressives and thought being depressed all the time was deep
You act like being sad and depressed are the same thing
You're clearly delusional

>>72647426
if i was in a grunge band i'd kill myself too because it's by far the most embarrassingly awful genre in the world

>>72651546
i wish opiates weren't so bad for you desu

Grunge is heroin in rock form.

RIP Layne, his voice was magic.

>>72647895

he's not wrong, their first two albums are pretty good.

>>72651842
see
>>72650240

>>72651044
HEY

WAIT

I GOT A NEW COMPLAIN

>>72649924
I doubt Weiland would have believed that either.

>>72648249
Nirvana was good

Pearl Jam had some good songs

GnR sucked except few songs

U2 is coldplay tier

>>72650117
Its creepy how on that unplugged, its the same setting as the one with nirvana when kurt killed himself short after

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fregObNcHC8

this is one the best live performances ever

>>72652835
jerry also had food poisoning during that unplugged. layne was obviously dying but i think we all knew that already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZKz_sPM6U

feels desu

>>72650133
>inb4 blogging
wut? I have Crohn's Disease and I never thought about outing myself, I'm just careful about what I eat

>>72652952
You probably don't have it too bad, then. Some people just have the straight up shitty version that kicks in seemingly at random and the doctors basically just go "lol dunno ur fucked."

>pearl jam
>grunge instead of dad rock from day one

wew lad

>>72648249
And Scott Weiland?

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tfw you had to save rock music from a bunch of three cord oriented proto nu male musicians

Shoulda stuck to Cocaine and booze, lads.

>>72651044
>I like how in Teen Spirit he just made the main vocal melody the guitar solo

He did that in Come As You Are too.

>>72649912
that was a pretty great performance with the only exception being what he wore.

>>72654184
>whiny synthy bullshit
>rock music

>>72651044
>But the drugs sure helped

Maybe he also shouldn't have lived on Kraft mac-and-cheese.

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>>72654440
>rock music was never whiny
>rock music never used synths

I wonder how it feels to be this wrong.

>>72654440

Thank you for going full retard. I have always wanted to see it.

>>72648249
personal friend of kurt and layne no doubt

>>72652176
that's what i've been thinking the entire time reading this thread lol

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>>72648249
>>72649997

Poor Demri. She didn't actually die of addiction, but rather she got a heart infection and died shortly after Layne's return with MTV unplugged. After she died, there was o saving him.

This site is an interesting perspective from a close friend to Demri and Layne

http://www.rememberlayne.com/blog/

>>72647426
They were all on heroin.

Drugs are for degenerates, good riddance.

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>>72655167
Thanks for that site

Big Alice fan and I hadn't read these before

>>72652229
go back to youtube

Alice In Chains is no good without Layne and also they're not grunge. Sure they came out during the scene but they considered themselves blues metalists which will forever make them superior to any of the other grunge bands of the time. Not the metal part but the wicked blues influences.

>>72647426
Because part of the grunge commercial success was the selling object (the bands) being shit at life.

>>72656427
Alice in Chains was a glam metal band (and a damn good one) turned into proto sludge.

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>>72647426
Grunge is just depressing music made by depressing people. I started listening to AIC and Pearl Jam when I was too young to really understand what the lyrics are about so I didn't connect on a personal level. Now I'm in college and every girl I meet with a Nirvana shirt on always talks about how her life sucks and her parents suck and how she spent all her money on cigarettes and clothes with holes in them etc. After meeting these people, seeing their bands play house shows and hearing them talk about how music sucks now it really makes me happy that grunge is dead. It's not a genre or attitude that I can really connect with at all. I'm listening to a lot more electronic these days and needless to say I'm feeling pretty freakin good.

>>72647453
no, they launched it back from the brink, though it's slipping away again

>>72650133
it was mostly from the heroin, which made him more and more dependent

>>72652093
Hair metal and post grunge came before and after. They're far worse

>>72648249
if hole released an album between pretty on the inside and live through this, combining the two styles it would have been GOD LIKE

>>72656607
FUCKING EPICCCC MAN
XXXDDDDD!!!!!

>>72647426
>Kurt had a tummy ache
>Staley was mad his dad didnt give a shit about him
>True
>True

>>72654016
>>72652952
yeah he had it really bad

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How old were you when you realized Billy was the superior musician from that era?
None managed to capture the spirit of the 90's as well as him.

>>72657234

His 2000's revivial of the Pumpkins ruined what Pumpkins was. What he turned into hasn't helped either.

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Mostly unrelated, but I saw Meat Puppets and they're still good.
They somehow managed to noodle out a cover of Plateau and Lake of Fire both to like 10 minutes.
>>72657234

>>72647895
i disagree that they were better. definitely equal in terms of talent; there are some Hole songs that are better than Nirvana songs and vice versa

Courtney gets shit on more than she deserves. I mean, yeah, she burned a lot of bridges and thought being a cunt was the only way she could go about being a rock star, but having people blame her for her cowardly husbands death is a step far.

>>72654184
>>72654440
you're both retarded

>>72651463
Poor Bradley

Was heroin cheap as fuck in the early 90's or something?

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>>72657406
>meat puppets
>cover of plateau and lake of fire

>>72657534
Not that guy, but I think people tend to think Plateau is originally Nirvana because it sounds less like Puppets than it does Nirvana.

>>72657529
It was getting cheaper. Now the shit's cheap as fuck and much more potent, unrefined stuff. That's a deadly combination. Many people try it once because it's so cheap and widely available, and then OD immediately. Those who don't are hooked hard and end up on the street doing anything for another dimebag.

>>72657234
Around 12 I really got into Smashing pumpkins and Billy was the main reason I first picked up the guitar. Still have a few albums in my car.

>>72657348
Like so many others he didn't quit while on top, but that doesn't change what he made in the past, I try to look only at that, I have no interest in them besides that.

>>72657406
Love me a good rare Billy.

>>72657534
>>72657571
Whoops sorry. I'm retarded.
Looked at the video from the show and it wasn't Plateau, it was On A Plain.
I know Lake of Fire is theirs, that's what got me into them.

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>>72657622
Here's the companion.

>The police first went in and then they said − I said, well, I need to go in and be with him. And they said, “Oh I wouldn’t do that.” And I said, “I can do this.” I’ve always promised myself that if anything happened to my children I would be there for them. And I went in, and he was tiny and I thought at first that he had made like a life-sized mannequin of himself because he had lots and lots of art projects always. And I thought, you know, somebody could have thrown that little guy over their shoulder and walked down the street and nobody would have even know that it was a real person...so, and I sat with him for a few minutes. And I told him that I was really sorry how things had turned out....
>Nancy McCullum, Layne Staley's mother, on encountering his body

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>>72657638

He loved his rollarcoasters and black women.

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>>72657440
what's worse is that she's been "normal" for like...the past 7 years and repaired a lot of those bridges. but the media has a narrative of her obviously and chooses not to focus on that.

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>>72657638
RARE
A
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>>72657660

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>>72657689

>>72657234
Being the most autistic doesn't mean most gifted. Most gifted probably was Trent Reznor.

>>72657406
Is that Billy in a wig

>>72647426
All those bands are trash, who cares?

>>72647426
>Down on the Upside
>Soundgarden's creative peak

Yeah, no.

>>72656489
But sludge metal was already established when they came out, or do you mean they went back to early sludge and played that?

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>>72657234
Hi Billy

>>72655506
this comment is spectacular

>>72658105
plebe

>>72654184

Of all of the musicians that died too soon, yes even Kurt, I would not swap to have lost Trent instead

Our lord and fucking SAVIOR Michael Trent Reznor please give us another HTDA album

This is really weird and manipulative framing. Cobain was in a shitty situation with fame, an abusive unstable wife, and a heroin addiction. Staley OD'd way after AiC's peak, and that happened because he was a fucking junkie. Soundgarden had a great run, and they only broke up after 12 years, with Cornell becoming a celebrity. Pearl Jam's activism started on their second album, and Vedder is so political that it's a surprise he even waited that long. Also, Pearl Jam never broke up, and they're still huge.

Sorry OP, but you're full of shit.

If the grunge bands had issues with fame, then it's because the grunge scene started out as just Seattle's underground indie/punk scene, so they were products of that mindset.

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Does any one like Skin Yard or Love Battery??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLT_MibOXEk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S3633dvfJo

Nirvana were just a shitty punk band who wanted to be the Melvins.

Nevermind success was down to Butch Vig's production and not Kurt

>>72658565
Yes to both

Also, along those lines, Seaweed, Hazel, Pond, Paw, and Babe's in Toy land

>>72658575
You're dumb and too edgy for your own good

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RAPE MEEE
RAPE MEEE
RAPE MEEEEEEE

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>>72658589
+
Mother Love Bone
Malfunkshun
Green River
U-Men
The Fluid
Mad Season
Truly
The Nymphs

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>>72658650
R-rape me

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Jerry-kun what are we doing on this bed a

waaaagggg

>>72647477
>>72647895
>>72647979
>Hole releases Live Through This a week after Cobain's death

What did she mean by this?

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>How can you turn me into this? After you just taught me how to kiss... you.

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>>72657639

>>72647426
I don't think lt has to do with handling success

>>72651882
>They could've made more money instead of playing music like they want

>>72656607
I think you're making a massive amount of assumptions about people you don't really know man

>>72657583
You don't know what you're talking about

>>72658692
>>72658699
>>72658734
Manly jaws make for terrible traps