/classical/

Reposting comfy Ketèlbey --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWdCh5-XQRM

has anyone found more of pic related? i need to masturbate

Any steve reich man in?

>>72641012
Its some shitty cosplayer
its literally the only good and racy pic she has, the rest are just dumb wigs and her making the same face, no belly, nothing

>>72640941

this is basically pop music though

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNT5NHxuokE

>>72641194
that's disappointing
thanks anyway

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>>72641210
Sure, it's cheesy melodious strings and other clichés. I need to listen to simpler things once in a while and this is my sort of derivative (Late Romantic is my favourite era). I'm not feeling that well.

>>72641528
What do you like about Hindemith anon?

>>72641752
>I'm not feeling that well
cum guzzling tends to do that to you

>>72642496
Is it true that cum can block your intestines?

https://mega.nz/#F!pWR0zABY!xCwF1rEfXiyEy5HuhTDP0Q

is this /pseud/ general?

>>72642673
That would be /Chart/

>>72642673
Yes, please download a Beethoven and join the fun!

I heard that my city's local opera is putting on a production of the magic flute but it turns out it's going to be this hippy dippy muh années folles version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS8m-ulLOK8

Besides that there's two written by living composers and a Puccini opera starring a black asian. Am I not going to the opera this year?

>>72640941
>>72641210
pompous animetard just got #rekt
>>72641752
>I need to listen to simpler things once in a while
What a pleb

>>72642791
>implying Beethoven is bad
I want you to kill yourself.

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https://clyp.it/40fjsrqm

>>72643017
>he doesn't want to join the fun

Why do you hate fun?

>>72642907
Yeah what kind of mutilation of the classics has asians in Puccini.

>>72640707
Why are russians so fucking hot

>>72641194
>no belly
That's a good thing though

i'm trying to get into romantic music (and "classical") as a whole and want to know where you guys think I should go from here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXh5JprKqiU

It's babies first romantic, but i love this. The LP do a good job of performing this as well.

>>72642907
To be honest, that Magic Flute production doesn't look too bad. I'm not sure if it would get grating over the length of the whole opera, but based on that excerpt it looks sort of fun.
>>72643061
kek.
However what he might be touching on is the question of ethnicity of the people playing certain roles in opera (generally the two big ones being Otello and Ciocio-San). There's a certain school of thought that argues that the former shouldn't be played by a white person (I was at an interesting presentation of a paper which made the point that Otello has never been sung at a major opera house by a black man) and the latter should only be sung by an Asian soprano; any other casting is racist and insulting since (historically) productions used makeup to "black-up" or "orientalize" white performers.
It's a bit ridiculous, especially since it doesn't seem to apply the other way around - the Asian soprano singing ciocio-san one week is "allowed" to sing Tosca the next, despite Tosca being an Italian character.
My favourite example of this was a production of Walkure in which Siegmund and Sieglinde were played by a black tenor and a white soprano. Made me giggle a bit.

>>72643132
consider the following

Wagner orchestral excerpts
https://mega.nz/#!8P4BgD6A!Extj_CIm1epKGgXMKhD13yDXAO1aUcTsK4gHHV5uw6w


Bruckner's 3rd
https://mega.nz/#!hKYD2JrK!paFCMvx1-Nw14cOqB_J5cY0flUZ_4cF55w2WFUWbRK8

Mahler's 5th
https://mega.nz/#!1C5jGa4L!IPK8qOmbbgZAvdU7yRJLT5DA4CSp3fPZ2Bk-Cc1NPX4

>they are still posting it

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>>72642466
>>72642496
Whut...?

>>72642907
Eastern European opera houses are massively underrated. Including the train ticket and hostel you still pay less than here and the stagings are not bad at all.

>>72643256
Meant to quote >>72642588
Fuck me, I am a mess.

>>72643252
thanks amigo

>>72643132
Also try R. Strauss, Mussorgsky, Saint-Saëns and Rachmaninoff.

>>72643027
try this https://www.musipedia.org/melody_search.html

>>72643256
You only wrote that to rub it in the face of every 'murrican in this thread didn't you?

Is it okay to hate Verdi? Everything by him sounds the same.

>>72644092
>Everything by him sounds the same.
No.

>Beethoven found a new project in a libretto by the theatre secretary, Joseph Sonnleithner, who had adapted it from a 1798 French opera by Pierre Gaveaux. [...] Beethoven drew far more from the Gaveaux opera than mere inspiration and plot – not only the arrangement of the musical numbers but even many themes and details of instrumentation.
>Richard Englander further claims that Beethoven was indebted to an 1804 Italian opera by Fernandino Paer

What a hack.

>Of all the great literary stories he could have set to music, why was Beethoven first attracted to and then so absorbed by this clichéd tale?
>Beethoven's attraction to the title character reflected his fruitless lifelong search for a devout wife

What a loser.

>>72644582
/oneofus/

>>72644092
(not true by the way)
Some of his earlier operas are not especially wonderful, but saying that Rigoletto sounds the same as Nabucco is like saying Beethoven 7 sounds the same as Beethoven 2.

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It's Tchaikovsky's birthday today.
What will you listen to?

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>>72645181
Bach

>>72645181
I'll suck a dick and kill myself.

(probably some swan lake excerpts)

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>>72645315
Don't do it anon. We are here for you.

>>72645315
In that order?

>>72645315
Gonna do the same, glad there's people who think just like me.

Kna's Fidelio is so weird --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdn9qCzmT4o
On the one hand it's so nice that you can clearly understand every line (even during duets or trios) due to the slower pacing, but during other passages he kills the music (mostly during instrumental interludes but those are a big part of why this opera is enjoyable; the overture in particular is blerghh-tier after the intro). This had every chance of being my favourite performance of Fidelio with a more off-the-rails / risqué approach to the tempi.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO0HESdbzzs

>>72645411
Okay fine I won't.

This captcha gets worse every time.

>>72645471
Are you going to listen to Swan Lake or suck dick and kill yourself?

>>72644214
>>72645103
I'm not the same guy, but please enlighten me. What are the best works by Verdi? Is he good?

>>72646399
Start with either of Rigoletto, La Traviata or Il Trovatore (better yet, all 3). Move on to the revised Macbeth version (if you like Shakespeare), La forza del destino, and Aida.

>>72640707
that muffin top

How fast is too fast?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyCeQfkxfIU

>>72646399
Verdi is very good. Generally speaking, it's better to listen to his operas in a vaguely chronological order since (at least for me) I think it would be quite difficult for someone new to Verdi to enjoy early Verdi if they're comparing it to late Verdi. And it would be a shame to miss out on early Verdi just because it doesn't match the heights he reaches in Otello or Falstaff

So:
>Nabucco
Famous chorus of Hebrew Slaves, but also some great music for the female antagonist and the eponymous hero, regarded as Verdi's first great success.
>Ernani
Again, starting to do away with traditions of Italian opera, very strong third act, some more 'proto' leitmotif usage
>I due foscari
Some interesting usage of proto-leitmotifs. Generally signals Verdi's willingness to operate outside of the Italian operatic tradition.
>Macbeth
If you're familiar with the Shakespeare play, avoid trying to compare the two. It's quite an awful adaptation of the Shakespeare, but if you judge it on its own merits as an opera and forget the source material, then it's more enjoyable
>La battaglia di Legnano
Does lose momentum at some points and has a somewhat confusing libretto, but it's got some of young Verdi's best chorus writing and a cracking final act.
>Luisa Miller
Beginning of middle-period Verdi, Verdi beginning to reach the limits of conventional forms and starting to do his own thing in more depth.
>Rigoletto
One of the finest operas ever written.
>Il trovatore
It's a step backwards from Rigoletto in many respects, representing something of an apogee of pre-existing Italian operatic forms. but it's worth getting familiar with it since it's quite famous. Awful libretto that is salvaged by good music when in the hands of good performers.
>La traviata
The most popular opera in the world. Not my favourite, but again is very worth knowing in some capacity.
[cont.]

>>72647206
It would be quite difficult for someone new to Verdi to enjoy early Verdi even if they aren't comparing it to late Verdi.

>>72647206
>I vespri siciliani
Included because it's my favourite Verdi overture, but you can probably just listen to that and not bother with the opera unless you really like Verdi. It's interesting to see Verdi operating within the framework of the French Grand Opera, but it suffers from being too long without enough musical content to justify itself.
>Simon Boccanegra
After Rigoletto, probably my favourite opera Verdi had written up to this point. Very introspective. Ending of Act I (in the revised version) is Verdi at some of his best.
>Un ballo in maschera
>La forza del destino
>Aida
>Don Carlo
>Otello
>Falstaff
I've got to finish writing an essay so I'm not going to describe the last ones in lots of detail. Otello is one of my all time favourite operas, so enjoy the experience of that for the first time. Falstaff is a slightly odd one in that it's quite different from the rest of Verdi's output, but that makes it even more incredible.

Also listen to the Requiem and maybe the four sacred pieces too.

>>72647355
Depends really. Nabucco is still hugely popular (although that's likely because people just want to hear the chorus of Hebrew Slaves) but after that, you don't really see any of his operas before Rigoletto get regularly performed, excepting maybe Macbeth. I think there is a lot of interesting stuff in early/early-mid Verdi that is worth the time it takes to listen to it, both as engaging music on its own terms as well as a way of seeing how his compositional voice matures along the way. But I suppose I have recommended around 50 hours of music, so unless you're very keen to get to know Verdi, it's probably a bit much.

>>72647561
Look, I totally get you, but we both *already* like Verdi. Unless you have a scholarly streak to you, this urge to take a composer's work apart comes after, not before, you like (something in) their oeuvre.

(Finish writing your essay anon.)

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>>72646399
>best Verdi
<---

>>72648164

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx0S9xSGy64

Does anyone have Junghanel's Johannes Passion record?

>>72642907
And this guy is cast as Papageno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_kqct9mZJE

He's also going to perform in less pretentious production of La Bohème. Maybe I should go see that.

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I've been cycling through these for who knows how long and I don't even understand what Debussy is on about. What should I listen to next?

>>72648839
>three different magic flutes
Did that not get a bit boring if you were just cycling through that chart?

>>72648839
Probably need his orchestral works to properly appreciate Debussy rather than lightweight piano works. Try La Mer, Images or his string quartet.

>>72648968
Yeah, that's why I'm asking for more tunes. Though it is the greatest singular work of music I've ever heard. Not included are three more video productions of it.
>>72649089
Yay, more voices to understand.

Also where do you lot get your sheet music?

>>72640707
For fuck's sake stop reposting this 3DPD.

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What's the common stance, among composers and critics, about musical systems, especially tonality?
Is there a consensus about it? I have just started listening to classical music and I'm still completely removed from the contemporary discourse.

Petzold

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pHqOK7e21A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvN9dcmkO98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSg19llCsHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahdnysWIKmU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjP0_cP8TA8

Is he, dare I say it, the next Rachmaninoff?

>>72650150
No, Rachmaninoff occasionally displayed taste.

>>72650856
But that's a modern masterpiece man

>>72650886
It is competent pastiche, but nothing more than that.

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Post Bach

>>72651113
>Post-Bach

>>72651093
At least he tried. What have you written?

>>72651196
Really, JJ, you don't need to be so defensive about your hobby.

>>72646677
Retarded?

>>72651267
If everyone shared your mindset no one would create anything for fear of not being 'good enough.'

>>72648494
No one? Well, it's pretty difficult to find.

I haven't looked through the folders yet, just asking here first.

Looking for HQ Chopin interpretations, I have a few from the The Pianist soundtrack which I like but obviously missing some huge pieces. Somewhere to get something like Zimermans Ballade 4? It's on youtube but obviously want HQ. Maybe there's some sort of Best Of CD out there or something?

Thanks lads and lasses.

>>72651972
Rubinstein for old school interpretations particularly the 4 ballades. Ashkenazy for more modern ballades, Pollini for the etudes, Argerich for the preludes and concertos, Fliter for the waltzes, Chaplin for the Nocturnes.

Of course you are supposed to hate Chopin and everyone here will call you a pleb, enjoy.

>>72651662
As I said, it is competent pastiche, which is indeed "good enough" if that was your intention. If you want to be a composer of "modern masterpieces", however, you may find you need to do more than retread styles from 100 years ago. Don't mistake me for an antagonist, I'm simply telling the truth.

I have no great love for Rachmaninoff, as you can probably tell, but he was his own musical mind, and his music is imbued with a unique character because of it. That is ultimately the mark of any composer whose work stands the test of time. If that is what you want for your music you can't rely on doing that which has already been done, your heroes certainly did not.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNpHP0XE4W4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzfB4YNY178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB7w3cK8dzU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ppiWEdors4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA31bXNNEms

>>72651972
Moravec and Argerich for non-historic memes, Sofronitsky and Solomon for old memes, Friedman and Hofmann for ancient memes.
The older the more interesting in Chopin's case, especially the Friedman and other contemporaries of him. Depends how much you mind old meme sound.

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itt: god tier pianists

I'll start

>>72651972
Arrau for the piano concertos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nlYY1bsxgI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIMEP_z1rMM

>>72652310
>>72652393
>>72652550
Chopin-bro, what do you think of Samson Francois?

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>>72652521
Petrov

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>>72652521

>>72652639
that dog sure could play, who's the uggo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGuZciLWPKg

>>72651972
I like Zimerman's Chopin. Specially the Ballades.

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>>72652310
>Rubinstein
>old school

Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03eHQF5q-eI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T7s2toFVRM

Do you think western art music is the best genre as a whole?

>>72655560
of course. Popular and traditional music aint got nothing on it

Weber>>>Wagner

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjGkxTu5V-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui598mTAAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3DTi9DsQsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIvDLe5Tf-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7n-RCVkQm0

>>72649297
For the older stuff here: http://imslp.org/
For the newer stuff it's more complicated. A lot of contemporary composers publish the scores for free on their own sites though.

>>72656631
meant for
>>72649150

blob:http://www.multiplayerpiano.com/bc861893-5f96-4c7f-8652-2e8dbe79ba1c

Can anyone identify this?

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Can anyone identify this yet?

>Schubert's 14th Quartet arranged for orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx40E5YE3-g

>>72656938
Awesome

>>72656938
>doesn't repeat the exposition
what the FUCK

>>72656938
Just finished it. Pretty good overall. But the ending chord should have been left as Schubert wrote it, it's too long as is.

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This cover art makes me want to murder someone desu

>>72657623
At least they're honest about their reaction to those works.

>>72641194
damn I really wanted to fap to her what a shame

Just handed in the last essay of my university career. Time to drink and listen to old meme recordings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wimknct_ny4

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>>72658221
Congratulations.

>>72640707

Still no source for her? Blueballing is torture, you know?

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>3DPD OP
/classical/ r u ok?

Next time when someone uses such a shitty picture for the OP we ditch it and make another thread. Capisce?

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>>72658221
From now on begins your dick sucking career. Don't forget to always make them wear a condom, unless you're sure they're clean.

>>72658369
>>72658340
>>72655952
>>72652432
>>72650024
>>72645411
>>72645236
>>72643256
>>72641752
get out

>>72658379
no u

>>72658379
r u ok?

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For some reason Ravel gives me the incredible urge to masturbate.

>>72658430
you too?
>tfw currently listening to Pavane pour une infante défunte

>>72658430
Yeah, he was a pretty handsome dude.

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>>72658379
You're in the wrong neighborhood,
+++++++++++++
\\\\\ f a g g o t /////
.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////

>>72658340
name 1 good 2D composer

>>72658472
all good composers live in gensokyo now
3DPD is filled with shit music

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>>72658486
>all good composers live in gensokyo now
Ye, like Bo c c h e r i n i ::: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OTY4T9s7TY

>>72658347
Nah

>>72658347
that's a great picture though

I bet you like anime you faggot

>>72655910
lolno

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>mfw listening to b*thoven

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>>72655910
His masses are great, just heard them the other day.

>>72649310
no idea

i just heard kurt weills youkali (by katja stauber) and it makes me interested into classicals for the first time.

what are other classicals like that?

>>72658472
Hatsune Miku

Who is the retard that choses the images of this thread? Everytime he picks a ridiculous image that has nothing to do with classical music.

>>72660614
its posted frequently in this board and in a sense has become a board staple

>>72660614
To be honest, I just search for /classical/ in the catalog, I don't go to other threads on /mu/ unless they're linked here.
But yes, some memester has been messing about with the thread pictures. Just putting an alto clef on a picture of a pretty girl to make it classical-related is a bit ridiculous.

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>>72660614
>>72660837
ye, ye tell 'em like it is
the next thread better have an an anime OP
or else

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>>72658472
Beethoven

new here, can anyone show me the debussy chart?

>>72658472
Bach-chan
Mozart-chan
Handel-chan
Vivaldi-chan
Ebola-chan
Beethoven-chan
Telemann-chan

>>72661120
That's "sama" to you, baka

>>72661136
g-g-g-gomen

>after having destroyed /bleep/, s/t and his goons move on to ruin another general
sasuga s/t

>>72661036
it's a shit chart

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0qM42nJoQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh9zO0ayzGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RUkHmU95HQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wda1jEHobU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJdha_cNI2Q

>>72658486
There's a reason why the Gods and all the fantastic creatures all fled there.

>>72661267
Fancy giving us a quick rundown?

>>72661817
oh okay, in your opinion how should I dive into his stuff then? chronologically?

>>72661918
A South American narco who shitposts on /bleep/

>/classical/ has become overrun with waifufags and weebs

I didn't sign up for this.

>>72661971
don't be a baka senpai

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>>72661971

>>72661971
>overrun with waifufags
But the guy who was spamming Lili Boulanger left a couple weeks ago?

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*sighs*

>>72660092
Anyone?

>>72662063
Why not just listen to more Kurt Weill?
(He sucks.)

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>>72662007
>no Shotzart bf

How can I educate myself on the path of true music? What's the first step for a peasant like me?

The books in the OP are too advanced.

>>72662157
Step 1 is to watch anime

>>72660985
What's funny about those random images that have nothing to do with classical music?

>>72662063
Weill is kind of right on the margin between jazz and classical. Your best bet would be listening to songs and lieder by musicians like Krenek, Satie, Poulenc, Hindemith, Loewe. Then into lieder by Mahler, Alma Mahler, Wolf, Berg, Webern.

>>72661937
You can practically start at random. Debussy didn't compose a lot of music, and 90% of it is great or better. Symphonic suites like Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune or La Mer are good highlights to see what you're getting yourself into.

>>72662190
People's butthurt reactions who can't just ignore it.

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>>72662190
calm your autism, it's just a pun.

>>72662210
Thanks

>>72662210
>songs and lieder
this is called a pleonasm

>>72662237
Everyone who makes complaints know is categorized as "butthurted", why don't you go fuck yourself, faggot?

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>>72662344
So that he can be as butthurt as you are?

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>>72662344
>your butt
>hurt
pick 2

>>72662363
This is my last post in this shit.

No one here is butthurt, we're just questioning the use of random images in a serious thread meant to discuss classical music. I don't read this thread to see anime girls, rock/metal images or other random shit that you want to shove down our throats. There's nothing funny, productive or insightful about those ridiculous images and, in my opinion, they should just go away from here. Simple, eh?

>>72662344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0zb5S9DGYQ

>>72662320
Perhaps but if you say Schubert wrote songs or Debussy wrote lieder you will get ranted at by some fussy twat who think song, lied, melodie, chanson, etc are fundamentally different. A lot probably wouldn't regard cabaret songs as lieder.

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>>72662432
>serious thread
>/classical/
Reddit pls go.

>>72662432
the image is pretty obviously not random. It's a pun on middle clef. /classical/ was never a "serious" place. Shitposting is what gives this place its patina.

>This is my last post
you will not be missed

>>72662432
Maybe you shouldn't be posting on an image board?

>>72662445
If you want to be pedantic about it, Debussy wrote chansons, not songs.

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>>72662432
>newshit
>thinks he has any right to dictate how /classical/ goes
Confirmed RECTALLY DESTROYED

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>>72662432
>serious thread

>>72662432
You're worse than the idiots who got baited by firetrucks.

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>>72662432
So. Much. Butthurt.
Pic related, it's you.

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I wish I had the dozen some welcome to classical images I made, lost them rip.

>>72662536
and now they're gone forever thanks to the archive being fudged

>>72662490
Well no if you wanted to be pedantic he wrote mélodies. Chanson are more usually traditional songs.

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>>72662570
I uploaded them at some point on zippyshare, someone probably has the folder downloaded.

Let's try and go back to our regularly scheduled shitposting. Why is Rzewski so based?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLGeJ9mrNfU

>>72662174
don't think so

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>>72662432
Damn. I wish I had this OP's idea. My Nietzsche one only got one guy to rage (a whole thread later) and I'm pretty sure he was ass-pained about something else entirely. Besides, to my recollection all the recent OPs had something to do with classical music in one form or another (the Beyoncé thread and the jazz one with the orangutan OP being the exceptions).

"I want to play Rock music."
>buy acoustic guitar
>learn it
>can now play professionally in many locations with no issue

"I want to play Jazz music"
>buy keyboard
>learn music theory and practice improvisation on your own
>after long practice, you can perform in a variety of locations as a professional jazz pianist

"I want to play classical music."
>pick a specific classical instrument when you are 4 years old
>take lessons with professional for your entire growing up
>apply for music schools/conservatories
>study in them for roughly 10 years (need at least a Masters to be taken seriously)
>apply to orchestras nationwide
>get accepted into one
>you can now perform in very specific concert halls playing very specific music as a professional classical musician

>>72662962
I started playing the violin at the age of 17 and right now I'm just playing in my room, but you just wait cause I'm gonna be big

>>72662635
Has he written anything worth listening to outside of this? Big fan of it, although from what I can gather he's a memey socialist irl

>>72663146
Cotton Mill Blues is really good

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>>72662592
Touché... but anyway, let's post songs:

Romances --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xsz2W8jFQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIgtUqekvnc
Poèmes de Stéphane Mallarmé --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcoWoOkShJ8
Mélodies --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2WQ8SQKVPw

>>72662962
Not entirely true. Besides, a mature academic culture is a mixed blessing, isn't it?

>>72662962
conservatoires have jazz courses

>>72662962
just be like Bauer and casually teach yourself piano at the age of 19 and then become world renown

pussy

>>72663261
Literally who?

>>72640707
who is this whore?

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Did someone say D e b u s s y? Cuz I think I heard someone say ~ D e b u s s y ~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Tw0yRVC44
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^R a r e^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>72663616
She is our hopes and dreams.

>>72663659
how much money do you make out of doing the deed with guys

I have yet to hear a bad recording of the Vespro della beata Vergine.

>>72663791
Eitehr you haven't heard many or have a shit ear.

>>72663867
To be honest I think it's a bit of both.

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Post Beethoven

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>>72663908
Cello sonata #3 --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNKoatsMwRc

Any other pieces that sounds like the part where Schoenberg's Verklärte Nacht changes to D major? It's one of my favorite moments in classical music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqODySSxYpc&feature=youtu.be&t=14m54s

My favourite version of Slavonic Dances by Dvorak got taken down from youtube. Every other version has nowhere as much umph, and the mixing is too trebly on the others.

Well, turns out I ripped it from youtube when drunk one time and didn't realise. This has pretty much made my day.

inb4
>listening to youtube rips

It's higher quality than you would get on some (very old) vinyl records, and people were still able to appreciate them.

>>72664185
Rachmaninoff Isle of the Dead.
Post-Wagner romantic in general.

>>72658369
>>72658544
>>72663659
pls respond
>>72663722

>>72664253
>Rachmaninoff Isle of the Dead
Thanks for this, it sounds beautiful so far.

>>72664225
who's conducting?


>It's higher quality than you would get on some (very old) vinyl records, and people were still able to appreciate them.
that's really dependent on how old the upload was, and whether or not the uploader had put a lossless copy on Youtube in the first place.

Youtube does its own compression regardless of whether or not you did so, and lossy -> lossy is never a good idea. i've seen some disgusting transcodes on Youtube.

>>72664279
>who's conducting?
No fucking clue. Don't even know who the orchestra is either, but they are one of the best I've heard, feeling-wise.

I've heard some proper shit from youtube too, but this isn't too bad.

>>72664185
See
>>72640941
and yeah, late-Romantic in general.

>>72645181
Marche Slave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5poSw7tFLB4

>it's a no download or video available of a recording anywhere on the internet episode
Second time in a row.

>>72664633
what recording

>>72664663
Rademann's Vespro, not even on Spotify.

>>72664682
not on Naxos either, RIP

>>72662962
I'd like you to know that I wrote out a very witty riposte to this but for some reason, I can't post it and 4chan keeps returning "connection error" even though I can post elsewhere.
Please imagine it so you can enjoy the effect

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Looky, looky I found another ++ R a r e D v o ř á k ++

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToX3L9pAyco

>>72664728
Naxos library?

>>72664796
>Please imagine it so you can enjoy the effect
Cant, not before you say if which one you are.
butthurt popfag?
butthurt jazzfag?
frustrated classicalfag?


>>72664827
What the fuck is
>R a r e
supposed to mean?
Are you trying to force a meme?
Stahp.

>>72664827
pls friend
>>72663722

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>>72664796
Rewrite it, I would really like to read it.

>>72664960
Yeah.

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>>72664978
>>72665015
Fuyukai desu!

>most autistic and pretentious general is also a den for weebs
like breathe and butter

>>72665190
>like breathe and butter
>breathe and butter
>breathe
What does breathing have to do with butter?

>>72665190
Japan is also one of the most successful places in the world if you want to be a classical performer

>>72665190
>>pretentious
P l e b

Does anyone have a Tschaikowski folder I can download?

>>72665112
I must have a word or something getting caught in a filter, although I have no clue what it is.

Here's a pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/2nDqE5A0

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>>72665245
Nah, that's still our dear Europe.

(The thing with anime is that you get maximum anal pain for minimum effort. Thank you for never failing to deliver faggots.)

>>72665353
Japan is still very big on classical, though. It's why they have a ton of guest conductors going there and still have frequent orchestra tours. In comparison America sees very little of that.

>holier-than-thou soprano who fancies herself as a master pedagogue posts a status about how Leontyne Price's recording of Barber's Hermit Songs is "littered with rhythmic and intonation mistakes" and how this makes it difficult for her to learn the music properly via listening to it.
Jesus Christ.

>>72665478
My sides are in orbit!

>singers

>>72664827
The annotations are a cool addition but this is better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMQzeUfl0k4

>>72665478
She's probably a wobbleslut anyway

>>72665507
ironically she also says that this is one of the reasons why singers "get such a bad rep for musicianship skills".

Absolutely incredible.

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>>72665353
Do you not know what "one of" means? Fucking retard.

>>72665478
That's the recording that has Barber himself accompanying it, isn't it? Notwithstanding the fact that the songs were basically written for her.

>>72665616
Of course I do. Maybe you didn't get my point: almost any country in Europe has a better classical music scene than Japan. Virtually all "the most successful places in the world if you want to be a classical performer" are in Europe.

>>72665470
Chiaki Shinichi is the best conductor from Japan though

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>>72665836
>literally who
So is this show actually good? Last time someone got me to watch an anime it ended up being a super cringeworthy soap-opera about a bitch who got cancer and a bootlicking pianist with a penchant for lame monologues.

>>72666163
>artmusic-kun literally only posts anime because it annoys people

wtf I love anime now!

>>72666163
It's cute, heartwarming, comfy, comedic, romantic, but not "good".

Just watch some episodes and decide for yourself.

What are the best chamber pieces of the 20th century?

>>72666163
>cringeworthy soap-opera about a bitch who got cancer and a bootlicking pianist with a penchant for lame monologues.

Are you talking about fucking Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso, you piece of shit?

>>72666456
Schoenberg's string quartets
Ruth Crawford Seeger's sting quartet
John Cage's string quartet in four parts (fight me)
Elliott Carter's cello sonata

>>72666561
that show was shit btw, completely overrated.

>>72666586
I'll check the other three but John Cage?

>>72666608
No, it wasn't. It's definitely the best anime about music and one of the best anime ever made.

Any good youtube channels for classical music?

Despite it's terrible name I like youtube.com/channel/UC9B6J4qn5M_TLMh7zX0ISBA
They post something every few days, and it's full compilations/works of sometimes relatively unheard of artists. Spares me the time to look for stuff I haven't heard, and sometimes I find a gem.

>>72666456
Bartok, Hindemith and Schoenberg come to mind

>>72666682
I recently discovered this one, best one for piano music I know

https://www.youtube.com/user/xiangyik/videos

>>72666682
Only Bach

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnV1r5TKaiVcOHdVru6kptg

>>72666682
https://www.youtube.com/user/LeChevalierDuFeu/videos

Easily the best channel I've run across.

>>72666769
thank god it's in 432Hz

>>72666787
Well, duh. You wouldn't want the devil's tuning to sync you out of being one with the universe.

>tfw the good channel I found which uploaded lots of video recordings of operas under difficult to search names appears to have been terminated
pity

Old Richter best Richter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-0aOomtS3A

>>72666456
Debussy's Danse sacrée + profane
Bartók's string quartets
Stravinsky Pastorale, Symphonies of Wind Instruments
Ives' The Unanswered Question

>>72666586
no

>>72666561
>>72666657
I hope your taste for music is not as bad as your taste for television.

>>72666456
Webern's string quartet works
Schoenberg's Op. 24
Berg's Lyric Suite
Carter's second and third string quartets
Ravel's second violin sonata
Wuorinen's horn trios
Stravinsky's Symphonies of Wind Instruments

Those are barely scratching the surface of excellent chamber music of the 20th century, but you get the idea.

>>72667016
Alright then, educate us on what makes Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso bad, but try to make good points (Although I think it's impossible).

>>72667162
Its title is literally "April is your lie". What is that even supposed to mean?

>>72667205
>April is the cruellest month
What did he mean by this?

>>72666456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kok-dZbOqUg

Underrated

>>72667147
Is that Stravinsky piece really a chamber one?

>>72667350
Yeah, I guess 24 players is a bit much. Sub L'histoire du soldat for Stravinsky then.

>>72666997
>no
>posts meme-tier Ives

>>72667162
The writing is absolute dog shit. From cringeworthy overwrought monologues (the guy used the most imbecilic epithets), to overly convenient characterisation (always for increased phoney "drama") and predictable plot "twists". It's a soap-opera with teenagers.
The directing / mise-en-scène (art direction and the like) was done on the cheap and cheesy (overused falling flowers everywhere, rainbows all over the place for no reason etc.) to the point where it even spoils the animation at times (about the only thing I found decent about this series).

The music-related aspects were also awful, whenever the narrative demanded for some part of a performance being emphasised, for example, the staff opting for cheap engineering tricks instead of letting the music speak for itself (the playing itself was meh, but since these are supposed to be teenagers still learning I think that fit well enough). Of course, the staff making this knew their audience needs such a hackjob. It's lowest common denominator dross.

I'm surprised you'd like it so much, but then again...

>>72667674
>>72667162
samefag

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>>72667717
Sorry to disappoint.

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great album

>>72642673
yep, with shitty anime mixed in

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Edvard Grieg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9vhrt0MAFE

Is Mahler overrated?

>>72668440
If you want him to be.

>>72668547
How so?

>>72668440
By people who don't really get his music, yes. This is mainly because a Mahler cycle has become a badge of honour for conductors of our time, so you get a lot of people who don't really understand, say, the 6th very well, recording it anyway to earn their stripes. It's actually possibly causing him to be underrated by some people because the market is flooded with bad Mahler recordings.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IKy0iDkK6w

>>72668791
Bach was autistic, his music might sound good on paper but in practice it's just a bunch of notes - learn to listen to music and to formulate your own opinion apart from what the mainstream "intellectuals" tell you

>>72667674
>new copypasta
Thanks.

>>72668882
>2017
>not being autistic
Get with the times, gramps

>>72669103
autistic people are incapable of producing art, they should stick to stamp collecting and similar mind-numbing activities

>>72669138
All the good composers were autistic

>>72669141
maybe your taste is a shit, ever thought of that? I bet you think Mozart was the pinnacle of music

>>72669175
>I bet you think Mozart was the pinnacle of music
Duh.

>>72669196
more like the pinnacle of kitsch

>>72669209
Blocked.

>>72640707

Is it autistic that I can only listen to very specific covers of Liszt?

When I hear an artist fuck up the tempo I can't finish it. Too many just rush through his more famous "faster" works because they want to show off but it ends up sounding too mechanical.

>>72669364
>covers of
fuck off rockist

>>72669382

What do you call it then?

Its a problem between sight reading the music accurately and the level of interpretation from the piece. Theres always going to be variability but when it speed up too much it becomes shit.

>>72669364
Depends on the piece, sometimes too mechanical sound (in for example Totentanz) actually is better, it's just more astonishing, funnier and just fits. But in Totentanz and in other works for the piano and orchestra the way it is recorded actually matters a lot more, just from the fact that you need to hear brass and piano and the same time. Unless you listened to it so many times you know it by heart and all you need now is timbre.
I don't think that noticing if a pianist is showing off or not (especially in something as flashy as Liszt) is a good thing. Don't think about the performers, don't establish personal relationships with them - it's about the music.

>>72669512
they're performances you dilettante
only thing that's shit here is you

>>72669513
>don't establish personal relationships with them
But I wanted a qt soprano to sing Pamina and play my magic flute.

>>72669620
>wanting a wobbleslut soprano and not a mezzo with a rich voice and beautiful Mediterranean complexion

>>72669525
>>72669513

No very true, I was over generalizing it but it really depends on the piece itself.

I'm thinking of a few very specific pieces which is why, but if its the inverse it definitely does make it more interesting.

Can be a nice contrast too to hear a piece played slower.

Thanks, I have better perspective on this now.

How do you guys reconcile the fact that money trumps talent and no matter how expressive you are you'll always lose to the person with a better instrument?

>>72671007
by not playing an instrument professionally

>>72671007
Paid blowjobs

>>72671007
Paid rimjobs

>>72669364
Not really. Sometimes I want a specific passage that I love played in a specific way and I won't really consider a recording if it doesn't do that.

>>72669512
Call it an interpretation or a recording.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDtDIc6Vab4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrZ8xPL95NE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE2O_yfgtBU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye3o0FFbq-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vano69gMdEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Avc4IETBe8

>>72672158
Is Zelenka the /YouTube recommendations core/ of classical music?

Forqueray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKT76GWaN_w

>>72672158
Ayyoo these Touhou pics are pretty spicy. Where can I find me some?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7c138hVQTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGviPnQ0MVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj_ZnUaH2gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPB784BZS5U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uf7ZhBA0S4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46AOD_8bGWk

>>72672579
I just go to Hakurei shrine and pop in and out of Gensokyo to take a few photos desu.

Trying to get into classical but there's just.. so much of it. I open up these megas and it's just so damn overwhelming. Can I just have like a top10 list to download?

>>72672940
Thanken m8

>>72673379
CARL MARIA WEBER'S DER FREISCHÜTZ

TCHAIKOVSKY'S SWAN LAKE

STRAVINSKY'S RITE OF SPRING

VERDI'S FOUR SEASONS

BACH'S MATHEW'S PASSION

Come back when you finish those.

>>72673465
Another question. So in these megas there seem to be the same work done several times by different orchestras. Which orchestra is the best? How am I supposed to decide?

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Tristan und Isolde

Wagner

I get high

>>72673488
Ask or listen to them yourself.

>>72673967
What the fuck was my post ? I was asking a question. I'm not going to download the same symphony 3 times and listen to each one. Is there a best one? Really simple question.

>>72673988
Then I guess classical music isn't for you, pal.

>>72673988
Best at what? Sounds like you need to into language. Nothing is necessary better. Some things appeal to some people more than others. Rephrase the question around a quality instead of 'best' and then, perhaps, you will get an answer.

>>72674031
Thank you for reinforcing the stereotype that fans of classical music are pretentious douchebags.

>>72674047
Alright, out of all of those versions, what is your preference? What do you think is the best? If you had to pick one, what would it be? Is there a go-to orchestra for you?

>>72674054
>hey I have a question
>do this
>WOW YOU'RE FUCKING PRETENTIOUS!!!!!1

>>72674084
Great post, keep them coming.

>>72674071
No not really. I'm not really picky about orchestras.

>>72674152
So any version in the megas is fine to go with? Okay thanks for the help.

>>72674163
Yeah senpai. Just B urself.

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>>72674185
Will do
And so I have more of a direction to go in: What are your 3 favorite composers? 3 favorite works?

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>>72674203
Carl Maria von Weber, Felix Mendelssohn, and Chopin are my faves. Der Freischütz by Weber, Symphony 3 by Mendelssohn, and Swan Lake by Tchaikovsky are my favorites. When I want something easy I like to listen to Chopin (his nocturnes are pretty comfy desu).

Habe fun anon!

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>>72674311
Thanks brother. Here's an appreciative doggo

Where the FUCK is the new thread?!?!?