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What is the best Salome recording?

you have 10 seconds to tell me why piano concertos aren't the best type of composition.

>>72571410
Hi rabidch

>>72571469
It's never failed me through all of these years

>>72571457
Pianos suck lol

What do you guys think of Tomita's 70s albums?

I think they're pretty neat. An interesting take on classical

>>72571457
They get samey.

>>72571451
Old meme:
Reiner '49 ('52 is good as well)
Otherwise '68 Leinsdorf (Caballe is v. good, and it's got Milnes too) or '78 Karajan.

There's a '65 Kosler that has WunderGOAT singing Narraboth which is worth a listen for him alone, although Varnay is p. good as Herodias as well. The problem is that the Salome (Silja) isn't all that great.

>>72571451
Dohnányi

French Horn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FalYfeKn3Q

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PXeElJ-9AQ

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>tfw Jeux
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXSWFlwX9a4

I don't think there is another composer who had a greater streak of genius in their last period under stress and Deathly illness like Debussy

>those etudes
>that en blanc et noir
>the late sonatas
>six epigraphes entiques

Beethoven and Bartok only come to mind

>>72571451
I like Solti '62

>>72571457
Because everything after Mozart is subpar

Only Schumann, Bartok, and Ravel produced anything of similar genius

Tchaikovsky's Second is underrated imo

Copland bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXikDnYZYpM

>>72572497
What about Beethoven's?

>>72572497
I forgot Weber

>>72573230
Okay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0Sqn-ERmU

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Anyone have recordings of Percy Whitlock? Cant find any on the web.

>>72571457
it deludes people into thinking technical wankery = good composition

Webern

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cLALT09Y0M

>>72573891
Hahaha Whitlock?
More like Shitlock

>>72575463
you wanna fight fuckboi?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gbAZPp6eSw

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>not one person asks for sauce to OP's pic

Has /classical/ listened to any of the alternative completions of Mozart's Requiem?
Which do you think is best?

>>72576037
it's in the filename thank you

>>72571457
Because 90% of them lack the necessary conversation between piano and orchestra in order to be good.
Ironically the only people to get it right since Mozart (aside from Brahms with No.1) are the Serialists and even Integral Serialism like Babbitt.
There's far more substance in Babbitt's 1st than in anything by Liszt or Rachmaninoff

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>doing classical piano at uni because I'm a jackass
>got a new head of music this year
>from next semester onwards all students must include a work by an Australian composer (am ausfag) and a female composer for their final recital
>we only get 40 mins for our last recital
>m8 is losing his shit because he was gonna do a complete set of Chopin etudes
I guess the whole class is now looking for the shortest piece be an aussie woman to get by. I'm familiar with what's out there but it's honestly just all second-rate at best. I'm seriously considering composing my own short piece.

Feels shit man. Australian conservatories are already way behind as it is.

>>72576548
That's not a bad idea, there's always good music to find.
>a complete set of Chopin etudes
God bless that head of music for saving you from that.

>>72576565
Sure there is, but it's inevitably choosing from a very narrow pool that fuck's up your programme.
Learning to completion a set of Chopin etudes will do 100x more for his technique and tone than the 3 years of scales everyone shoud've already worked through before going to uni.

>>72576622
>than the 3 years of scales everyone shoud've already worked through before going to uni.
I don't disagree with you at all, but he can still learn the Chopin etudes on his own time.
Just because he doesn't perform that trash for the public doesn't mean his time was wasted.

>>72576638
>he can still learn the Chopin etudes on his own time.
>along with a recital, technical work and other subjects
M8 whatever you think of them those etudes take a fuckton of time and work even if you've got great technique.
>trash
Your opinion man. I've been having a good look for works that meet the requirements and there's a lot of trash there.

>>72576722
make like those of us with brains and filter that moron already, he's proven time and time again that he has awful taste in EVERY. SINGLE. MEDIUM. and understands next to nothing about composition, let alone playing an instrument

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>so many nice sounding concertos
>they're not on imslp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCQkFQ26-lw

>>72577193
i saw this post and immediately looked for where poly had posted
dissappointed

>>72577193
>t. chopincuck

Hey, what is your favorite orchestra?
And why?

>>72571457
>piano

fuck off idiot pleb

Can anyone recommend some entry level opera?
I hate opera more than any other genre, but I love choral works and choral symphonies. But Opera just sounds so boring whenever I try listening to it.

>>72578045
the barber of seville

>>72578045
Why do you hate opera? There are several opera styles.
I dunno, try Rossini's Barber of Seville. This youtube video is subbed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSjyDH4MJCc

>>72578045
Lakme by Delibes. No recitatives, lots of bel canto.

>>72578495
Lakmè has recitatives. Maybe you just listened to a performance that skipped them.

>>72571703
I often feel really uncomfortable listening to the final scene sung by Welitsch. It's filthy but just beautiful anyway.

>>72571703
>>72579260
Also, that fucking scream at the end of the Kosler. What was Silja thinking.

>>72573891
Literally who?

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>>72571329
>tfw you're going to see Masaaki Suzuki perform Beethoven's 9th and Haydn's London Symphony in October

>>72580258
I saw him do Mendelssohn's Reformation and BWV 82 a few years ago. Was great.

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPV9tfJNOvY

Vaughan Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwBuE6vREIQ

is this /pseud/ general?

>>72581907
That was the previous thread, in which we attempted to discuss jazz.

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>>72571457
Because the concerto form is a strong restriction against the full expressivity of music. The composition is filtered through and must always return its focus to the exhibited instrument.
The ideal composition is a composition where pure music itself is the target of the whole creative and performative process, not the means by which it is produced.
Then the "concerto for X" can at best be only the best type of composition for X. In a "concerto for X," X is the focal point of the composition, but it is also a choking point, a bottleneck for creativity.

If there is a type of composition that can be said to best approximate the ideal composition, that would have to be the symphony.

(Told in more than 10 seconds because fuck you.)

limited approximations, G.F. Haas --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoqvGLdjUhE

>>72582108
>that would have to be the symphony
Or the symphonic form.

Violinists, how many years of practice does it take to play this song perfectly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okWr-tzwOEg

>>72578025
The Wiener Philharmoniker, because the Wiener oboe is king.

>>72575463
Don't you have sororities to stalk?

>>72582012
jazz is nigger noise

>>72582777
stop using the N-word here, this is not /pol/

>>72582777
Trips confirm.

>>72582823
waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh mah safe space

Symphony of Psalms, Stravinsky --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQJ9jJQEIEA

>>72582777
>>72582823
>>72583070
>>72583122
lol, here we go again...
(please don't)

>>72571592
They're gimmicky in every sense of the word.

>>72582108
How come you like Haas but shit on Scelsi?

>>72584385
They're both mediocre, the former is just in vogue right now.

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>when a sensitive slow movement in a minor key is wedged between brilliant fast movements in major key
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYBrlAQi7vA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ZcDvoxCpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBY7V7axugc

>>72584675
Which manga?

>>72584675
What's your point?

>>72584938
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
>>72585157
It's nice.

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>tfw no young Argerich gf

>>72584385
They're barely alike. Even where they're similar Scelsi's music is sparser, with minute variations around a sonic centre, a thinner texture and darker timbres. It has more sonic gaps / white spaces. His music feels eerie and vague, misty -- like soil. Haas' is coruscating and overpowering, compact -- like stone.

I think Haas is alright, not great. The reason I linked "limited approximations" is because it's a piano concerto, its title fits my rant, and it's not entirely awful.

Taruskin really knows his shit in regards to performance practice. Really good taste on that fellow. From what I've read, anyway.

>>72585859
Text and Act is a good read, although the HIP wars aren't really as ferocious as they used to be.

I did take out a book earlier today by John Butt which I suspect will be a lot more in favour of HIP, so I'm interested in seeing what he has to say.

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Which classical compositions makes you feel sad, depressed, wanting to cry?

>>72586197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0QsSCPoa0w

>>72586197
Shostakovich, because it's terrible.

>>72586270
Karajan makes me depressed and wanting to cry, too.

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>>72586197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t06sWFPw-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3aXpQ09JMQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXjbf1fz9-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcaABG_-X80

>>72586287
depends what he's conducting desu. I was relistening to his Strauss earlier and it's pretty great

>>72586353
The first one is really good

>>72586197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vant9vvazCs

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>>72586443
You may like these too then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Ftp4vVAmM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAD6lUivz10

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Always Unique Totally Interesting Sometimes Mysterious

>>72586549
There's something so wrong with his WTC, but I can't quite tell what.

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Is there a qtier figure in the classical music world at this moment than Mirga?

>>72575183
*Bach

>>72586596
It makes me quite sad that I will never lick the area around her anus

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>>72585425
Basically, Scelsi is doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KugkO7d2Nns
within the European art music tradition, while Haas is doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsdGkV1epHU
within a spectralist context. The similarities between them are accidental and superficial.

>>72585859
>>72585913
Anyone that takes the wind out of the HIPsters' sails is good. Reading Taruskin feels too much like sitting in the choir for me (I've never read Text and Act, only a couple of his articles; maybe I should, since I know very little beyond the surface details of "period" playing techniques, but I don't really see a point to it; my mind's already made up on the subject).

>>72586197
I think a mix of sad and joyful is better when you're feeling down. Fauré's Requiem is bitter-sweet --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67ncPwaQqQ

Be well.

>>72588056
He likes some HIPsters, he's just critical of them. There's a very glowing (well, sometimes glowing) review of Harnoncourt's recording of the Cantatas, for instance:

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/27/arts/recordings-view-facing-up-finally-to-bach-s-dark-vision.html?pagewanted=all

And of Slowik's HIP Schoenberg & Mahler:

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/02/arts/making-a-stand-against-sterility.html

I think he approves of the intentions behind some HIP performances, but he's careful about the details surrounding them, which is the same way I feel. There are some HIPsters I love, but a few which I vehemently dislike.

I've already harped on about this numerous times, but I really wish the HIPsters who involve themselves in romantic music would stop conveniently ignoring all of the recorded evidence which we have of their performance styles, which are often worlds apart from their """HIP""" style...

>>72587954
Her asshole must have that delicious shade of pink pale girls usually have too. Lovely.

>>72587954
>>72588307
fuck off Mozart