Pick the best songwriter among them.

Ringo

Dylan > Wilson > McCartney > Lennon

>>72566859
Why does Reddit hate to give Lennon any credit?

>>72566859
Dylan > rest

>>72566993
Because muh peace and love

>>72566993
Because he's the most famous one, which means he's not allowed to be the best. Welcome to /mu/ m8.

Dylan

Dob Bylan

Wilson > McCartney > Lennon > Dylan

Dylan>Lennon>Wilson=McCartney

(although Nick Drake is miles better than all of them)

>>72566859
Dylan > Lennon > Wilson > McCartney

unless you're autistic about the beatles and have read all the biographies and studio chronicles i don't think any of you guys can really tell me who was doing what on the beatles' stuff. too much collaboration on their very best stuff to say that like either one of those guys were dominating the other. and dunno whether i can really privilege one approach to songcraft over the others', there are elements of each of these guys' approaches which i wish would be more present in the others' work.

Anyon saying mcarntney or wilson should be thrown in the Shit pit, they didn't even write their own best songs

Dylan>Lennon>Wilson>McCartney

>>72567170
the one who does lead usually wrote it. sure the others contributed but someone came up with the song. and the songs were usually very characteristic for the beatle, like lennon on his space shit and paul with the old music an royal horns and george with the commentary

McCartney > Wilson > Dylan > Lennon

>>72566993
because his melodies were weak and often relied on volume and tonal shifts (yelling into a mic) to make up for what they lacked in tunefulness

also he couldn't really write his own arrangements and relied on Paul to flesh out his compositions --which Paul did an increasingly shit job of toward the end what with simmering resentment between the two and Paul focusing all his efforts on composing countermelodies for shit like "Maxwell's Silver Hammer"

I don't have a problem with Lennon being a hypocrite or being famous or being annoying or any of that. We're all hypocrites, and every celebrity is annoying. But Paul McCartney woke up every day, ate old tin pan alley tunes for breakfast, shit out a hit melody before lunch, had a vaudeville routine written for dinner, and had a string section part composed before bed.

John meanwhile spent that whole time caring about shit and trying to write important words.

Dylan>McCartney=Wilson>Lennon

Don't try to argue against this.

>>72567243
Pretty much this, the songwriting was really piecemeal. Drive My Car is McCartney but the chorus was Lennon. A Day in the Life ws Lennon but the middle 8 was McCartney etc. I love both of them, but they definitely worked best together. Lennon reigned in McCartney soppy side and McCartney held back Lennon's venom and anger.

>>72567170
I mean I'm pretty autistic and have read multiple Beatles biographies, but that isn't even necessary. Obviously it was all collaboration but if you're familiar enough with them individually it's pretty easy to pick out who does what.

>>72566859
Wilson > Dylan > Paul > John

jagger/richards > all of the ones in the OP

>>72567600
>cock rock
>good

>>72567193
What? Elaborate. Which Wilson and Macca best songs are written by someone else?

Wilson>Dylan>>>>>>>>Lennon>McCartney

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>>72566859
Big Bri blows them all away

>>72567269
A Day in the Life. Who has the stronger melody there? Rhetorical question.

>>72567622
>everything from a masculine perspective is cock rock

t. numale

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New challenger arrives. Lyrics as good as Dylan and melodies as good as Lennon/McCartney or Wilson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_MqfF0WBsU

>>72567600
Look, Stones are great and all. But the whole Jagger/Richards thing is a bit of a meme. Don't use it unironically.

>>72566956
the only correct answer

>>72567686
Lenon's part is more experimental. McCartney's part is a better tune, but more traditional.

McCartney's wrote better songs but Lennon arguably pushed the whole genre forward with his experimentation. They're combined efforta lead to songs that were both innovative and good.

They both tried to show the world who was better with their solo albums and all we got is a few good albums that paled in comparison to any Beatles output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvypQtn4bVc

Lennon is a genius, he deserves all the praise he gets.

>>72567848
>more experimental
You realise orchestra part is McCartney's idea?

john

>>72567848
>Lennon arguably pushed the whole genre forward with his experimentation.
Paul was definitely more experimental. Even John's most experimental track that doesn't suck, Happiness is a Warm Gun, only works because Paul and George restructured it so it actually flowed.

so, i said 'john', going by lele "reached most". being a historianscholar, i cannot really side with such... so... truely truely? brian, he invented what they all fed off.

>>72566859
Only Dylan is the best of both worlds.

John Lennon - Great lyrics, not so great music
Paul McCartney - Great music, not so great lyrics
Brian Wilson - Music of the gods but with absolutely no lyrical ability.

>>72567957
what about strawberry fields?

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>>72568145
this exactly

>>72567134
This

>>72568202
hey cutie :)

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>>72568145
>3 chord folk music
>great music

almost got me

McCartney and it's not close

>>72568165
this.

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>>72568230
Your comment would only make sense if Bob Dylan never released an album after 1963.

>>72567957
>strawberry fields
>tomorrow never knows
>I want you she's so heavy
>I'm only sleeping
>mr kite

>suck
Try again

>>72566993
He beat his wife.

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Show me a song as good as Heroes and Villains, Good Vibrations and/or Surf's Up.

If we don't include longevity, then there's absolutely no debate who is the best.

>>72567761
yeah, I love the Kinks too man, but don't let /mu/ meme them

>>72568369
See
>>72567761

>>72568291
no it still makes sense. mr tambourine man and a ton of his songs released after '63 have literally only 3 chords.

plus the melodies are so fucking boring. i cannot think of blander music. but the lyrics are pretty great

>>72568165
>>72568308
happiness is a warm gun is more experimental and better

>>72568417
Proto-punk Kinks > dude acid lmao Kinks

Sorry, not feeling it.

>>72566859
ill always have a soft spot for brian wilson.

>>72567761
I love the Kinks, but Davies doesn't hold a candle to Wilson.

>>72566859
Lyrically it's Dylan > Wilson > McCartney > Lennon
As for music, it used to be Wilson > McCartney > Lennon > Dylan, but I think McCartney was able to surpass Wilson during their solo careers.

>>72568462
>dude acid lmao Kinks
Never happened. One of the reason their late 60's albums sold so poorly was Ray was singing about great old Britain days, farmers and going to a picnic rather than making psychedelic records.

>>72568508
not him, but Waterloo Sunset is way better than anything by Wilson

>>72569230
Wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46IQu0yuJzU

>>72569255
I do like them, but that isn't better.

>>72566859
>Musically
McCartney > Wilson > Dylan > Lennon
>Lyrically
Dylan > Wilson > Lennon McCartney

>>72566955
first post best post

>>72567146
This is the right answer tbqhwyg

>>72566859
McCartney > Wilson > Lennon > Dylan

>>72567918
actually john wanted an "orgasm of sound". Neither had any idea of what that meant - that part was george martin

Dylan. Blonde on Blonde is the best album by any of them.

>>72569506
> implying beautiful muscial composition is somehow worth less than muh gritty edgy lyricism

I dont necessarily love BriWi for his song writing as much as his arranging and singing. Obviously his songwriting from w chordal/structural perspective is amazing but lyrically not on the level w Lennon or Dylan. Brian is probably my favorite and arguably the biggest genius but I'm probably gonna go w Lennon > McCartney > Wilson > Dylan just in terms of songwriting which I think of as just chords+melody+lyric

>>72567600
kys

>>72569449
>Wilson
>Lyrically
Van Dyke Parks my nigga

>>72569542
This, just this.

>>72570789
This answer is quite complete, Wilson was/is an excellent arranger and writer music wise, but as a whole he lacked lyric ability, I love him but he wasn't complete in that department, meanwhile Lennon was a great lyricist from my particular point of view but sometimes lacked the musical ability or knowledge, which is where McCartney get his hands and fix everything, meanwhile, I respect Dylan, but I don't think is in the same level as them.
It would be
>Lennon
>Wilson
>McCartney
>>>Dylan

Or

>Lennon and McCartney >>> Wilson >>> Dylan

Paul McCartney >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else

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>>72571407
>>72570789
>lyrics