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What about it?
Also, superior album.

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Jazz is mostly trite boring muzak except for that album.

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First time listening to pic related right now. Good stuff.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm7LU8-VPhc
Hidden Orchestra - Archipelago

>>72548245
This general is redundant.

t. /classical/
>>72547108

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Manu Katche' - Live in Concert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w53U7QMkbgM

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>>72549089
New Hidden Orchestra album coming this year - really looking forward to it

There is a teaser track out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHx4yMBa3vM

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>>72548245
Jazz feels very overwhelming to me. What should I listen to next based on these albums I like?

>>72549006
i've always thought chris potter is overrated but he is pretty insane on this recording

>>72549260
Wayne Shorter- Night Dreamer

>>72549237
Oh my ! I was unaware. Thank you very much anon. I have a spotify trigger setup to bring it into my dashboard when it happens ^_^.

I'm sure you've also heard of : submotion orchestra?

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>>72549260
Horace Silver. This should be a nice introductory album.

>>72549411
>>72549330
Thank you! I also quite like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17JgEYTmE-o&list=PLYKb_NLVD9VBxDqbbd4bVHsGjJDASxY5A

>>72548872
Here's your (You)

>>72549260
>Jazz feels very overwhelming to me
Ahmad Jamal - At the Pershing/But not for Me
if you feel like not being so overwhelmed.
Cecil Taylor - Conquistador!
if you feel like embracing that feeling of not being quite sure what the fuck is happening.

modal jazz is proto-krautrock

prove me wrong

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>>72549260

>>72549517
you're overdue to listen to more Mingus.

Mingus Ah Um and The Clown, ASAP

also give some earlier Ornette Coleman like his live in Stockholm 66 albums a go

>>72549595
> le zany noise is more of a predecessor than the guys soloing overtop of the same chord with minor modal changes

well, i always did know /mu/ was retarded

coltrane's my favorite things is krautrock

the only inspiration free jazz had was for the shit unlistenable CAN tracks on Tago Mago

So what do you guys think of the Franco-Flemish school? Favourite generation? Favourite composer?

>>72549539
I meant more as in the sheer number of styles, genres, and albums. I didn't really know where to start and with whom. Thanks for the rec!

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So what was your AOTY in 1995?
Pro-tip: If it isn't pic related, then you're wrong.

>>72549698
I'm not that into church music. The third generation is best. Most listened to Obrecht and Josquin.

>>72549776
Wrong general anon

classical > jazz

>>72549697
>shit unlistenable CAN tracks on Tago mago
Wow, no need to demonstrate how much of a pleb you are. We already know

Dead general
Stop trying to make this a thing

>>72549776
1995 was probably its 2nd reissue, it was recorded in the 80s, using AOTY about classical is pretty stupid anyway.

Sorry /jazz/ we will try and keep our infants from wandering past their bedtime.

Why are people shit posting in this today? This has been a pretty good general most of the time. Whyd everyone pick today to fuck it all up?

>>72549713
that's because you're thinking of it as a style/subgenre, but Jazz is as encompassing a genre as Rock or Classical, if there has to be a trinity it is those three with crossovers between them.

>Noodling Random Notes: The Genre

>>72550373
imagine not being able to have fun this much

you must be very depressed anon, here's your encouragement: fuck outta here nig

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>>72550322
Op didn't ask "the questions" so we have no preordained topics of conversation. It's complete anarchy.
Do I like pic related? How am I supposed to know? Op didn't ask me if I did.

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/CLASSICAL/ GET OUT!!! Unlesss you wanna discuss jazz. Idk why some guy posted mingus in you thread earlier and caused you all to sperg out and stsrt fucking up our thread but jesus youre a bunch of autists.

>>72550322
A couple /classical/ posters (one of them being me) started to discuss jazz. We had a couple jazz posts last thead too when /jazz/ was offline so we kinda continued from there. But a couple other /classical/ posters spilled their spaghetti over it so hard it overflowed into this thread.

>>72550322
/classical/ is raiding us

>>72550415
Nah i looked in to it. Someone posted jazz in the classical thread so they all sperged out and came here to fuck out our general....and op didnt ask the questions

>>72549006
JTG's new 5 star review? He's got pretty good taste. He's a little eager to suck Chris Potter's dick, but it's a dick worth sucking.

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is my jazz taste pleb?

I cant remember all the jazz ive listened to but its not that much so recc me stuff here or on www.rateyourmusic.com/~essentialpatritian

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people who pretend they don't enjoy this album because it's accessible and relaxing are fucking pretentious elitists and everything that's wrong with jazz fans

>>72548245
I'm fairly new to jazz
Oscar Peterson's Mellow Mood Vol 5 and Hiromi's Voice are some of my favorite albums. Do you guys have recommendations for me?

>>72550481
Are you that idiot from the other thread? I'm sorry I was mean to you.

Can anyone recommend jazz featuring more flute playing? I've gotten into Roland Kirk and Sam Rivers' stuff lately.

>>72550450
This thread was probably made by a /classical/ poster as an excuse to shoo away the jazz discussion in that thread.

>>72550434
>caused you all to sperg out
It's only a couple autists.

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>>72550476
>>72550483
and in case>>72550481
is>>72550505

here it is, just like I promised.

>>72550510

See
>>72548746

Art Blakey is the greatest.
Second place is John Abercrombie !!
> Ahaa !!

>>72550442
Making a thread on /mu/ takes all of about one minute to do. If there isn't a /jazz/ thread, it's incredibly simple to make one. No need to rile up the /classical/ autists and start needless thread wars.

>>72550481
Jesus, that album bloooows. >>72550513
Nope, this general was resurrected a few weeks ago after somewhat consitent jazz threads were popping up with some pretty serious discussion and some new jazz tripcodes started.

>>72550510
Eric Dolphy, Yusef Lateef and Joe Farrell are all pretty good flautists too. Jazz flute is kinda an easy thing to fuck up though. A lot of sax players dabbled a little and sometimes it went really well. More often than not, it was cheesy as fuck.

>>72550533
>one last tip- I recommend smoking some marijuanna while enjoying your jazz

jesus christ

Jazz piano is the hardest thing. Like I have no doubt that it's pretty difficult to play jazz well on any instrument but good jazz pianists are like next level geniuses.

You're all fucking degenerates. Enjoy your pop music.

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>>72550620
Lel, literally the best part of the chart. I remember some guy bitched about that paragraph a year or two ago and a version of the chart was made without it. I've never seen it posted since though.

>>72550560
I know, but some total newfriend asked for some jazz recommendations and it snowballed from there.

>>72550581
I was talking about this thread specifically, not the general. It got linked in /classical/ as soon as it got made.

>>72550459
Who's JTG? Any other Chris Potter records you'd recommend?

Also, Robin Eubanks, whoever he is, is freaking killing it on the bone. Never heard this guy before, but he's sounding aweome. The duet with Potter on Prime Directives is just crazy.

>>72550476 here and
>>72550533
i already went through this like a year ago im asking for reccs based on my chart nig

>>72550581
I think /jazz/ was kinda fucked while /blindfold/ was running. I know I basically stopped posting on /mu/ after a while and I'd just come around for those threads.
>>72550702
He used to be a jazz trip. He still posts, but he only trips for special occasions.
https://de.rateyourmusic.com/collection/jazzthreadguy/r5.0
he recently gave Dave at Birdland a 5 star review.
>>72550727
Ok son. Calm down there.
Have you listened to Cecil Taylor's Looking Ahead or Woody Shaw's Moontrane?

>>72550941
>>72550702
Oh yeah, and Chris' The Sirens, Underground, Imaginary Cities, Transatlantic and The Dreamer is the Dream(AOTYSF) + his playing on Alex Sipiagin's Destinations Unknown/Overlooking Moments, Pat Metheny's Kin, Wayne Shorter's Algeria and a load of other great Dave Holland records (What Goes Around, Critical Mass, Pathways, etc.)

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thoughts on pic related? About halfway through it and I'm loving it so far.

meme bump

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>>72551923
At least make it a jazz bump.

>>72550646
I'd say jazz drumming. Discipline like no other genre.

>>72552359
I only heard this guy for the first time last week

I was in awe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFvgCtomkqE

>>72550941
I think /blindfold/ was a cool idea but i think it should have been seperate from /jazz/. I never wanted to listen to the playlists and stuff, i just wanted to talk about what people were listening too. There was some general discussion in blindfold but i felt like an ass if i just randomly chimed in.

>>72552589
It's crazy. Not only do they have to rapidly change time signatures with complex patterns but also their dynamics to complement whoever is taking lead.

Not to put down other instruments at all, but there are so many elements to jazz drumming it's mind boggling.

>>72552841
>change time signatures with complex patterns >change the dynamics
You have to do that on any instrument. Percussion instruments have always been, are, and will forever be the simplest ones to play.

>>72552359
No.

>>72553230
Only the rhythm section have to phase between tempo changes though, you know how difficult that is with triplets, backbeat and an irregular kick?

Simplest to play maybe, incredibly hard to master.

>>72553330
However difficult advanced jazz drumming is, it is nothing compared to advanced playing on any other instrument. You're talking as if the other players don't have to bother with the rhythmic aspect of the music at all. No, they totally have to, and they also have to deal with everything else on top of that.

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would anyone happen to have this? The only link i found was dead

>>72549134
>Manu Katche
generally underrated drummer

>>72550364
rock is really just a shitty version of jazz with more singing

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good free jazz release from this year.

Hey. Seems to be some conflict in this thread. Maybe I can defuse it. I started paying attention to the jazz threads this week (needed a break from hip-hop and indie rock) and decided to try jazz once again. I'm 22. I've tried jazz a few times over there years but it's never really clicked. This week, though. I've listened to Head Hunters, Jazz Impressions of Japan, A Love Supreme. Something's changed. Maybe I'm older. But it's clicked, it's a wonderful noise. And it's inspired me to drop my acoustic guitar and my uninspired folk tunes and try to learn to play jazz piano with the end result no doubt being utter mediocrity. But I'm enjoying this, going through the classics, seeing what I've missed out on. I have a feeling free jazz and fusion jazz are gonna be my jam. This is my jazz period. Thank you 4chan.

Hi Jazz Guys Gals and Gurus please give me good jazz with lots of vocal parts/harmonies if it's real thanks

>>72555634
i have a fuckin boner for sweet jazz vocal harmonies

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>>72555634
>>72556023
This is probably not the record you were looking for, but you should listen to it anyway.

>>72550534
The Rubáiyát of Dorothy Ashby is fantastic

>>72556245
honestly it's the closest so far I've listened to, so thanks!

>>72556404 (You)

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Somebody requested this last week and I finally got around to uploading it.

Bootleg recording from 2007
at Smalls

Chris Potter
Jonathan Kreisberg
Matt Penman
Ari Hoenig

http://www85.zippyshare.com/v/4jdRPUHZ/file.html

>>72555634
There's Manhattan Transfer... that stuff gets on my nerves though

What do you jazz patricians actually think of ECM?

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great album

>>72549544
Why do you want to be proved wrong? I would love to listen to examples of this.

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>>72557719
one of the most important record labels ever.
>>72555554
what in tarnation?

>>72556706
you have more of these?

>>72549544
I haven't really researched it or anything, but I think modal jazz might have been generally influential on rock music - at least in the fifties rock song chord progressions still typically had functional harmony (V chord resolving into I) - even 12 bar blues does this in this end - but after modal jazz became a thing there started to be popular rock songs where the chord progressions are essentially modal vamps or contain solo passages like that

Like for example The Doors Break on Through is just two chords all the way and the long jam in Light My Fire is a two-chord dorian mode thing.

>>72553429
t.a vocalist with no sense of self awareness or rhythm

>>72558590
None of that specific group but I have a lot more bootlegs

What's the best Bud Powell album in your opnion, /jazz/?

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>>72548245
Anyone here know this one? It's one of the first albums to really get me into jazz. It's got some pretty tasty stuff on it.

what are some others like Miles Davis- Live in Vienna 1973?

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>>72558876
He's right. Drummers only have to bother with dynamics, rhythm and timbre. Everyone else has to bother with dynamics, rhythm, timbre, melody and harmony. But it's not only that, it's also the fact that it is a whole lot easier to get the desired sound out of percussion instruments than other instruments (exceptions being stuff like timpani drums -- not surprising then that drummers almost never include timpani in their kits, eh?). That's just how non-pitched and fixed-pitch instruments are. The piano is even easier if we take only this aspect into account, the relevant difference being that the piano has over 80 keys (every key is the analogue of a drum or a cymbal; even the most overkill kits have only a couple dozen elements in total) to fret over and you have to care about a lot more than their loudness and the timings between their use.

And I haven't said anything about winds yet. When the exact same embouchure, air-flow and fingering produces an entirely different sound simply because the temperature of the instrument or the level of humidity in the room has changed, and you have to adjust for it on the fly (not unusual the longer the concert), then you can talk about how much discipline is required.

But all that really needs to be said on the matter in the end is: get that chip off your shoulder little drummer boy; just because playing drums is less complex than playing other instruments doesn't mean that drumming has a 'lesser' role. It's the interplay between the instruments that matters. Every instrument is a background instrument when someone else is playing the lead. Relish your solos and bang on.

(But what do I know, I'm a faggot from /classical/.)

>>72560785
how unsurprising that some /classical/ fag doesn't understand jazz drumming and brings up fucking timpani's - there are many techniques to get different sounds out of a drum kit as well and jazz drummers often incorporate other percussion as well

limb independence also is definitely something that takes a lot of practice and is a way bigger thing for a jazz drummer than even a pianist

drummers generally need to make others sound good, so it's not just an aftethought that good jazz drummers need to do their "arranging" on the spot instead of just playing a beat

>>72560924
Haha yeah also that guy posted an anime pic, what a fag

>>72560924
Yes m8, you can use a brush instead of a stick, you can change the angle of attack, you can also swipe and scratch the membrane not just hit it (etc). All this does is change the timbre of the sound. Like I said: timbre, rhythm and dynamics.

I may not be an expert on jazz drumming, but you're certainly not telling me anything I don't know.

>>72548245
Does Angela - Theme from "Taxi" fall under this category?

Recc me some good jazz fusion

>>72561932
Here's a list of every good jazz fusion album, Anon:

>>72550476
i mean, on the one hand mingus and coltrane are the best of the best but also this is entry level stuff anon and you should probably listen to more

>>72557719
they have some nice records but lots of their stuff is boring

>>72561932
Some fusion that I enjoyed:
Miles Davis (it's pretty obvious I guess)
Marion Brown - Sweet Earth Flying (1974)
Zbigniew Namysłowski Quintet - Kujaviak Goes Funky (1975)
Pat Metheny - Bright Size Life (1976)
Yusef Lateef - The Diverse Yusef Lateef (1970)
Free Cooperation - In the Higher School (1986)
Gwinciński / Richter / Skolik - Jupiter, Urizen, Wernyhora, Trungpa (1998)
Tomasz Stańko - Witkacy Peyotl / Freelectronic (1986)
Joe Zawinul - Zawinul (1971)
Weather Report - Sweetnighter (1973)
Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978)

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>>72558538
This. Historically and contemporarily, they've been consistently fantastic jazz records of all time.

>>72562359

How would you go about BTFOing this guy

>>72548315

>>72562332
i need to check those out (not same anon)
i enjoy some recent fusion like:
snarky puppy
bill Laurance
tigran hamasyan
house of waters
jacob collier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XJ_s5IsQc that solo still gives me the chill

>>72562533
BTFOing a classical elitist for thinking all jazz is mediocre is way more trouble than it's worth. They're autistic as fuck, know their shit and have the most advanced musical tradition in the world to fall back on.
There are plenty of great non-ECM records taking cues from modern classical and jazz albums that don't derive their adventurousness from the European tradition that you could list off and discuss into the ground for days on end, but frankly, you'd be arguing with the world's most verbose brick wall.

>>72561932

Some high-profile albums from the 70's anyone interested in Fusion should check out IMHO - many of them jazz afficionados today will think of as cheesy, but they're still "essential fusion":

Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Chick Corea & Return to Forever - Light as a Feather
Chick Corea - My Spanish Heart
Al Di Meola - Elegant Gypsy
Herbie Hancock - Sextant
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
Weather Report - Weather Report
Weather Report - Heavy Weather
Jaco Pastorius - Jaco Pastorius
George Duke - The Aura Will Prevail
Billy Cobham - Spectrum
Lenny White - The Adventures of Astral Pirates
Pat Metheny - Bright Size Life
Tony Williams - Joy of Flying

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roll bump

>>72563234
sonny rollins

Any book recommendations other than autobiography of Miles Davis or History of Jazz by Gioa?

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>>72564245
This but only if you read music

>>72561109
>jazz drummers don't play melodically
get a load of this guy

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>>72564491
here's Ari Hoenig playing Round Midnight on the drums - pretty cool, I think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81LO6qX9jYc

bought the following jazz vinyl today:

Miroslav Vitous - Mountain in the Clouds
Eberhard Weber Colours - Little Movements
Garbarek/Jarrett/Danielson/Christensen - Belonging
Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Orchestra - Central Park North

That is all

>>72564491
Redefining the meaning of "melody" to force its application to non-pitched instruments does not mean that you're actually playing a drum kit melodically. Now, there are plenty of pitched percussion instruments, and I'm sure there must be some drummer out there who's using a pitched drum kit (not counting cheat hacks like adding a xylophone to the kit or something). You should be the expert, I don't follow the scene, so feel free to drop any names, but something tells me it's not exactly the norm for jazz bands.

You keep throwing all this shit about drumming at me and had the same style with that other guy. I'd appreciate it more if you demonstrated some familiarity with other instruments as well. If you want to talk about what's harder to play you have to make actual comparisons, not just list all the fancy shit you can do. So far I'm the only one who's making actual comparisons.

So, go on faggot: tell me something about the sax, piano, clarinet, or trumpet (or whatever). It better be right, and it better be interesting. You get bonus points if you manage to convince me that playing drums is more complicated than playing oboe.

>>72564823
Cool but pretty pulled by the hair.

>>72550661
tfw no sonny sharrock on jazz guitar :(
but whatevs, jazzthreadguy is pretty reliable

>>72565298
Jazzthreadguy is a hack who rates shitty post-bop better than classic masterpieces.

>>72560924
the making others sound good aspect is a thing on all aspects. miles davis described it as holes in the music, he filled holes with his playing but also created holes on purpose so other players could fill them.

>>72565700
*instruments

any sad/melancholic jazz recs?

>>72560924
>limb independence is a way bigger thing for a jazz drummer than even a pianist
complicated movements with 4 limbs is a way bigger thing than complicated movements with 10 fingers? heh, nice one

>>72565890
Don't forget that pianists have to work pedals as well

When did the number of appendages in use become a metric by which we measure good musicianship?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGcId8s71-4

>>72566055
Nobody's saying that. Stop escalating.

>>72565697
I think he usually justifies his opinions pretty well. Which ones specifically do you disagree with?

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I don't want the thread to be completely taken over by arguments over which instrument is harder to play, so apologies for spurring it in that direction with my rants.

Recommend me some albums or tracks featuring oboe playing. (Beyond stuff like I.X. Love. or Sketches of Spain, but I would appreciate it if it's in the same vein.)

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>>72566332
not all that much prominent oboe in jazz

Yusef Lateef is probably the most prominent oboe player, although he did play more sax and flute. Three Faces of Yusef Lateef has a couple of oboe tracks

probably the most famous individual jazz track featuring oboe is Lateef's Love Theme from Spartacus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhqQFs7huwU

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Okay I'm probably gonna sound like a massive faggot, but I am a really big hip-hop fan and I have been getting into jazz (listened to about a hundred jazz albums so far) and I have found that I really, really like albums that combine hip-hop and jazz, but there seem to be so few of them.

But I don't mean jazz rap like A Tribe Called Quest or To Pimp A Butterfly or whatever, I mean actual jazz but with hip-hop elements, like hip-hop style drums but with live jazz instrumentation and shit.

Here is the perfect example of what I am talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Wi2_rnfOY&list=FL1mGcjD8cGrym7gFBHFcy2Q&index=1 (uyama hiroto - freeform jazz)

another example would be the jazz album that El-P made that nobody seems to know about. if you guys have any more recs for stuff like this I would be very happy.

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>>72566811
Try:
Alfa Mist - Antiphon
Yussef Kamaal - Black Focus
Jeff Parker - The New Breed

>>72566881

thank you so much I will listen to these later tonight after work

>>72566811
try this: https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/toshinori_kondo_dj_krush/%E8%A8%98%E6%86%B6__ki_oku_/
it's japanese instrumental hip hop with a trumpet player and it's pretty nice, especially for night listening

>>72566510
Hmm... damn, I actually knew about Yusef Lateef (some of the first jazz I tried actually) it just didn't cross my mind. But thanks.
I also know about Oregon / Paul McCandless. It's my impression that these are all pretty entry level though.

>>72567044
this is also interesting because Toshinori Kondo also has a pretty nice free/avant-garde pedigree having recorded with John Zorn, Peter Brötzmann, Eugene Chadbourne, Han Bennink, Derek Bailey and Evan Parker

Chill hip-hop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvENaArE7rk
Wild free jazz with Brötzmann: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5gzazO-F5c

>>72566811
You could also try Skalpel.
Could you recommend me some warm and positive hip-hop?

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>>72563234

>>72567059
Free jazz oboe!

Marshall Allen plays oboe on this Sun Ra track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf4sE59nbZA
Makanda Ken McIntyre plays oboe on Cecil Taylor's Unit Structures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu9_CQ6GfQs

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>>72567386
McIntyre plays oboe on quite a few of his albums. I picked this one up last summer.

>>72567386
>Free jazz
Thanks but no thanks.

>>72563234
>>72567349
Holy wow, this album was awesome. It's on youtube for anyone else who wants to check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keqAsUjmrLE&t=1260s.

>>72565890
it's much more of a left hand/right hand thing with pianists

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Is this a good album?

>>72568136
Mysterious Traveler is better

>>72568067
so they don't use their gingers?

>>72567245

>Could you recommend me some warm and positive hip-hop?

De La Soul - 3 Feet High And Rising
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
Kanye West - Graduation (I know Kanye is a meme but his music is genuinely good, and it definitely qualifies as positive hip-hop)

>>72568444
*fingers