/classical/

>>72502395

Last thread.

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Klemps

Corelli is so deceptively complex, it sounds so simple.

Liszt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8dvw1kzgsg

>>72547158
>Baroquefags

>>72547108
>>72547169
Suck for everyone actually. Are you the one who made the Beyonce thread?

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>>72547249

hahaha, get the dick out of your ass faggot, stop role playing the janitor you pathetic fuck

>>72547249
found the non-patrician

Just downloaded all of Bartok's string quartets on a whim and am flipping out over them. Never heard any of his other work. Where should I go next?

>>72547071
He's only really slow on his EMI records.

>>72547322
Piano Concertos.

>>72547108
Mingus is the only serious composer in jazz, although there's something to be said for Bill Evans realization of a chamber music within the genre.

The rest of jazz is chin-scratching wank, expressionist victimhood vomit, or muzak.

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>>72547249
Why do you hate orangutans?
What did we ever do to you?

>>72547322
Cantata Profana and Bluebeard's Castle

>>72547418
Monk composed lots of standards that used lots of dissonance.

Where should I start with Mozarts' operas, recording-wise?

>>72547418
>>72547461
Did we adopt /jazz/?

>>72547461
Depending on which period Monk is equally muzak or chin-scratching. Definitely an important step towards producing something finally tolerable though (Mingus).

>>72547501
Currentzis or Jacobs for modern recordings.

>>72547501
Don Giovanni (Furtwangler 1954 or Giulini 1959)

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Who's your favorite drummer /classical/?

is this /pseud/ general?

>>72547726
Glennie

>>72547738
>>>/lit/

>>72547677
>le old recordings meme
If you prefer craftsmanship to beauty then why not stick to Bach on MIDI, cunt.

Honestly, if Mozart wasn't in the big 3, you wouldn't care for his rococo at all.

>>72547849
/classical/ is /oldrecordingmeme/ general.

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>>72547738
>not into bands

And then there's this bigot.

>>72547849
not him, but neither of those are in bad quality, and the Giulini is in full-blooded stereo sound. not to mention it's a Legge production, and his recordings are very often listed fondly by audiophiles, alongside early Decca/RCA/Mercury recordings.

Fricsay's Giovanni is better than both, tho

>>72547849
What a moron...

>>72547526
I hope not. Keep that shit out of here.

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>>72547979
>Keep that shit out of here.
>mfw bigots are allowed to post here

>>72547927
Maybe in terms of what Fricsay gets out of the orchestra, but I'd say the singers concede something to the Giulini and Furtwangler recordings, and given that it's an opera you have to go with the singers.

>>72547418
There are plenty of serious artists in Jazz.

>>72548125
Jazz is popular music not art music

post arias

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXmNxLy4C3o

>>72548133
Ok? That doesn't change its quality.

>>72548133
Jazz is art music so it belongs in /classical/.
Non-patricians on the other hand, don't.

>>72548133
It's popular art music. Suck a dick
You probably listen to Green Day

>>72548158
"quality"

Get out of here. There's a whole board for you to fawn over all the mediocre popular music of the last 100 years. Leave us be.

>>72548190
I'm not even the person who brought up Jazz in this thread.

I'd listen to Dave Holland over most of the Romantic era.

>>72548116
well, when it comes to early/mid 20th century, i don't usually have an issue with most castings, even if i have my preferences.

besides, i'd argue that Furt's 1953 performance is a bit better. the conducting is a bit livlier, and Raphael Arie is better than Denzo Ernster as the Commendatore.

I have only listened to Beethoven's 9th symphony and I think it is the best thing ever
What should i listen to next??

JAZZ GET OUT
>>72548245

>>72548243
Beethoven's 3rd, conducted Erich Kleiber.
or more immediately accessible is Beethoven's 6th conducted by Erich

>>72548258
thoughts on Eberhard Weber?

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>>72548190
No, you get out of here. /classical/ is not the "music that's older than 100 years" general. It's the art music general and jazz is art music.
Jazz belongs in /classical/.

My moms name is Patricia

>>72547194
Literally the piece that got me into classical music. Had some Liszt symphonic poems sitting on my iPod, probably mindlessly taken from my dad's collection while filling up my library. Never listened to them, then one day didn't have an idea for what I wanted to listen to, so started just scrolling through the artists, wanting to find something I maybe haven't listened in a while. See this Liszt guy - wasn't even sure what genre to expect by the artist name alone. Play the album, this piece is the first thing on there. Instantly fell in love.
The next poem on there was Mazzepa, definitly recommend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lpIDo_Jz68
/blog

>>72548267
Okay. Not great. ECM is the only tolerable jazz because it's so intertwined with modern classical, but it's nothing really special.

>>72547726
Danny Carrey.

>>72548144
Have some Italians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ehVPPB0Py0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-RrG4sfdis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNYG5dv0kgI

>>72547726
Dr. Dre

>>72547418
>Mingus is the only serious composer in jazz
Strong words. Anything to back them up with?

>>72548315
How familiar are you with Dorothy Ashby?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa_-Q50-Z_I

>>72547501
Erich Kleiber for Figaro.

>>72547849
>Mozart
>rococo
>those recordings
>old
(You)

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We /jassical/ now.
Who are your favorite pre-1950 jazz performers?
Do you underrate Gershwin?
Was jazz one of the most important developments the 20th century had to offer?

>>72549067
I'd rather you didn't. If we wanted to discuss jazz, we would likely be in the snappily-titled /jazz/ thread - to which I shall direct you in case there was any confusion:
>>72548245

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>>72549258
Stop trying to police the thread. There's nothing wrong with dual-posting. /jazz/ can discuss jazzy classical, and /classical/ can discuss classy jazz. There's plenty of cross-pollination between classical and jazz.

I don't want retarded /classic/ elitists ruin my Jazz. Thread merge is thread murder. Unite at >>72548245

2017 patriciancore?

>>72549258
/jazz/ is a dead general and jazz has had considerable influence on many composers. Stop trying to be Ame or artmusic-kun, you aren't as amusing.

Jazz-influenced popular music > serialist-influenced art music.

History has pronounced its judgement, sorry.

Shit > shit

History has pronounced its judgement, sorry.

>>72547196
>he doesn't like Baroque
You don't belong here.

/jazz/ is a dead general

>>72549328
Nice inferiority complex you have there little faggot.

>>72547418
>Mingus is the only serious composer in jazz
What is Moondog?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AdPl5xIAvE

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>>72549601
>inferiority
>to classical fags
Please

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So this is who all the those Requiems are about?
Who is he?

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Who /Duphly/ here? The missing link between Couperin and Mozart.

>>72549693
>greek

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Worst decade?

>>72549897

It is Greek.

>>72549693

Strange, it's translated properly into other languages.

>>72549981
>It is Greek.
"Kyrie" is not a Greek word. Perhaps you're confusing it with Κύριε?

CPE is underrated

>>72550076

Greek written with latin alphabet is still Greek.

>>72550161
Agreed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i4KVoJbAvQ

>>72550170
No.

>>72550258
malaka

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DAILY REMINDER
DAILY REMINDER

Beethoven had a very long beard for most of his life.

DAILY REMINDER
DAILY REMINDER

>>72550773

[citation needed]

I've read testimonies of people that saw him perform, and often wrote about his shitty appearance and generally they all note that his hair was a mess and was constantly on his face, but never have I heard about a very long beard. I knew he had the romantic sideburns during his middle period, around when he composed the Eroica, but that can hardly be considered as a 'very long beard'

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Is monkey posting really going to become a thing now?

>mfw

Fuck you OP.

>>72550773

He had shit hygene and shaved irregularly.

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>>72550857
In his biography of Beethoven, Solomon says that in his later years Beethoven shaved himself rarely, usually when his friends forced him to do so, to bathe and to change clothes.

He never mentions anything about his early years, but in his later ones he certainly sported a massive German beard most of the time. It makes sense after all: we know of his complete ineptitude when it came to tidiness and hygiene, did you really expect him to shave every other day even if he was uncapable of emptying a chamber pot on a weekly basis?

That guy was a (beautiful, sublime) mess.

pic related: Beethoven without his beard

>>72547108
>average jazz musician

>>72550773
Why is it never pictured then?

>>72550932

Well, he was also borderline crazy during his last stage, so it would be normal for him. I think his nails were even long and shit, right? But I mean, that's hardly 'most of his life'

>>72550943
Go back to your containment board
In this general we follow the teachings of Beethoven: brotherly love is the foundation of this community (unless you're a pleb)

>>72551005
We're talking about his last 20 years out of 57: it's technically not most of his life, but it is certainy most of that part of his life which mattered the most (which started in his 20s).

>he was also borderline crazy during his last stage
People in courts certainly thought that, but his friends and acquaintances thought that he was a smart, coherent and lively man. At the times sperging out and singing in the streets was enough for you to be recognized as the ''crazy one''.

>>72551003
That's not how portraits work: you have to assume that when he was getting those done, he was at the top of his looks, he could not look better.
It would make no sense for him to have himself painted while looking like shit.

>>72551003
Because beards were not fashionable at the time.

>>72551065
Having a beard doesn't mean looking like shit, not always.

>>72551014
I want both /pol/ AND /leftypol/ to leave.

>>72551119
It certainly did in those years in Germany.

>tfw you'll never see a bearded Goethe

>>72551141
Harboring for your fellow man has nothing to do with /leftypol/.

>>72551155
>Harboring for your fellow man has nothing to do with /leftypol/
Spare me the bullshit.

Why does /classical/ attract so many /b/tards?

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>>72551240
>he still has a tribal mindset
>he is still THIS fucking stupid

lol, at least I'm not you

>>72551240
>On a music board
>Discussing music
>/pol/ack makes a racist remark
>"race isn't the focus here friendo"
>"fucking leftypol tards"
What's your endgame son?

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>>72551240
>this anon is actually triggered by a lack of racism

Hilarious and sad at the same time.

I hate when they put landscapes on the cover of classical recordings, it just reinforces the pleb misconception of classical music as 'relaxing' or as ornament music to play in the background.

>>72551256
because /b/tards are secretly experts in classical music

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>>72551259
>he thinks he doesn't have a tribal mindset
Pic related
>>72551281
>on a music board
>discussing music
>one guy makes a /pol/ shitpost
>you make a thinly veiled /leftypol/ shitpost in reply
What's you endgame son?

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>>72551396

artwork > landscapes > pics of the instrumentalists/soloist > generic picture of an instrument > pic related

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>>72551396
agreed, we need more covers like this

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>>72551439
What about artwork of the performer?

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>>72551439
>be Brendel
>play the Diabelli variations beautifully
>not a single mistake or sloppiness in 2 hours of music
>give the record to your publisher
>he chooses that pic as the artwork for your record

I wonder what's Brendel's opinion on ''that''.

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>>72551439
Brendel creaming his tux makes everything worse

Random images > all other covers

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>>72551439
This, or abstract covers.

>>72551590
>>72551537

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old LP covers were honestly the best

a lot of the shit today seems so half-assed

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>>72551590
Those budget apex covers hide some of the worst things ever.

>>72551728
I like them.

>>72551310
Go back to your containment board on that other site. On this one we discuss music not social issues.

>>72551707
I always get triggered when reissues use some half-assed generic cover of the performer, when their original LP counterparts had far more interesting artwork.

>>72551762

My post was a response to this one >>72550943

I'm not the one trying to push agendas here.
What I'm saying is that on this board we're all brothers: this kind of implicit hatred has no place in this general. Only classical music and classical music-related shitposting is allowed.

>>72551819
>on this board we're all brothers: this kind of implicit hatred has no place in this general

The guy made a joke about jazz musicians. Regardless of whether you found it in good taste, at least it is related. Your moralising on the other hand has nothing whatsoever to do with music. So again: spare me the bullshit.

>>72551960
>The guy made a joke about jazz musicians.
ahah black people are monkeys ahah

>at least it is related.
sure, because there is a monkey and we're on /mu/ and jazz musicians are black lool blacks are monkeys

>Your moralising on the other hand has nothing whatsoever to do with music
yeah, that guy is a fucking faggot right? he should not say anything about the guy who says that blacks are monkeys, since he is so right xD

>So again: spare me the bullshit.
YEAH! spare us the bullshit and don't touch our shitty, derivative, childish pseudo-racist humour, you fucking SJW!!

I'm listening to some of Ginastera's piano works, I'm liking it a lot.

>>72551396
I still prefer that to glamour shots of the performers

>>72552018
I guess deranged social justice warriors like you that are hell bent on pushing their ideology down everyone's throat aren't that capable of nuanced thinking. You did not call him out on being unfunny or crass, faggot. You're pointedly advocating for the other extreme in the most thinly disguised way.

inb4
>there's nothing extremist about being nice

>>72552250
>I guess deranged social justice warriors

As I said earlier
>mfw this anon is literally triggered by a lack of racism

>You did not call him out on being unfunny or crass, faggot. You're pointedly advocating for the other extreme in the most thinly disguised way.
I can't call out people for equating black people to monkeys in a thread about classical music? Really? Is this what a deranged social justice warrior looks like to you?

fags

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>It's a Sibelius/Grieg album has a picture of some snowy trees or other nordic landscape episode
>It's an album of renaissance music has a renaissance painting of people in a church episode
>it's a Boulez-conducted CD of Debussy's music has a stupid piece of awful artwork vaguely related to one of the tracks on the disc episode

>>72551256
It doesn't.

>>72552317
I am "triggered" by your /leftypol/ astroturfing.
>on this board we're all brothers: this kind of implicit hatred has no place in this general
This is standard SJW "being inclusive" nonsense.

Fuck. Off.

>>72552480
>This is standard SJW "being inclusive" nonsense.
>triggered by people judging other people by the content of ther actions and character

Literally triggered by a lack of racism, as I've said earlier.


Also good job for having omitted this part
>(unless you're a pleb)
picturing me as a all-loving hippy. But what can we expect from people like you? Nothing but contempt and pity, I'd say.

>>72552386
come on it's not that bad

>>72552533
You are also being judged by the content of your actions. And your character is found wanting.

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>>72552553
Yeah Ravel got it worse

>>72552633

And you should be the judge? lol

>>72552774
The irony...

>>72552717
honestly i don't mind those covers, there's much worse

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>>72552533
>I'm only judging other people why are you so triggered?
>>72552774
>who are you to judge me?

reeeee

>>72553666
#faaaa

>>72547322
Miraculous mandarin - make sure to listen to the Salonen.
Violin sonatas 1,2
Piano concertos
Music for strings percussion Celeste
Cantata profana
Divertimwnto

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>>72553036
All judgement is equal, I guess: I am as bad (actually I'm worse, since I'm a "deranged SJW") as the "lol black people are monkeys xD" guy.

Good to know that such sophisticated and nuanced minds are present on this general.

petzold

>>72548314
>>72551396

It immediately shows lack of character, perspective and respect for the revolutionary medium of the symphonic form with the orchestra leading away a journey they cannot possibly know singularly. From the outset you hear, almost immediately, we're playing this for the umpteenth time. It's the curse of privilege and cultural distance. And when you play these war horses like you're sitting in a rocking chair, you forget a man sat down and wrote that for people not to jerk off to but to celebrate being alive together! You can find rinkydink orchestras in the interior of Europe with a VOICE. Why are these playing like they're not all being paid six figure salaries and the music isn't a miracle!? Even the LA Phil is not as good as Gustavo's kids. It's sad these musicians are being paid for such glaring mediocrity. I hope China finds a way to subdue this country and make Communism a reality since America likes to control and destroy everything anyway. Branford Marsalis said something about Jazz appealing to a certain kind of intellect in an audience that's never been the Vanguard made me squirm, it's just not true. And I think he could say that better, he knows it's not completely true. This nation is sick. While Chinese peasants are training classical prodigies and enjoying folk music we have "minorities" in cities that are engaged in full on wars that rival those in Syria and Iraq. I HATE this country. Elites are dangerous and they don't all come from money. There are more poor selfish supporters of elitist ignorance than the wealthy. Ignorance is ignorance. If I had the power, I'd turn the American dollar to dust. And then we could see if there would ever be an America without the merciless shedding of Native and Slave blood for oil and cotton. Off soap box...His parents are in the orchestra, right? I guess when you come from garbage, you really don't matter.

>>72554785
really makes one contemplate

>>72554785
dude what

Liberals just get out

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>>72554785

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>>72554626
There are several posts in this thread that make a joke out of equating humans with other ape species. It's harmless silliness. If you cannot understand that you don't belong here. You need thick skin privilege to stay in /classical/.

damn at least this thread isn't filled with shitty pop music at least

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTuOSwbho5Y

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Was just absolutely blown away by this, only heard Elgar's Cello Concertos before, but didn't enjoy them as much.
Anything similar he did?

>>72555053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9LWe2GS7O8

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>>72555008
>There are several posts in this thread that make a joke out of equating humans with other ape species. It's harmless silliness. If you cannot understand that you don't belong here.

You got me... it was too hard for me to get it.
"Monkeys are jazz musicians"... will I ever decode this riddle?

>You need thick skin privilege to stay in /classical/.
Go back to your containment board, this is a educated board about classical music.

If you haven't got it yet, people are not calling you a retard because we are triggered by racism, rather we are triggered by evident stupidity that does not resolve in some sort of humorous autism.
It's just a fucking retard saying that monkeys are like black people. No punchline, no mannerism that leads us to either a inside joke or a comedic style inherent to this site. It's just a guy saying that black people are like monkeys.
And you're a fucking retard for having defended this worthless mediocrity for so long. Hopefully your pre-childish taste for comedy is not akin to your taste for music.

>>72555137
monkey detected

>>72555137
SJW please...

>>72555053
His oratorios are p. good. Dream of Gerontius is the most famous (and very good). I'm actually listening to The Apostles now, which is also pretty great. Nothing groundbreaking, but I listened to a lot of Mahler yesterday and wanted something similar.

>>72555137
Youw ouldn't be posting all these posts against it if it weren't because of racism. If it were something equally dumb but a non-racist thing then you wouldn't care

>>72555053
Not a great fan of Elgar myself, but you may be interested in hearing this:

https://f.lewd.se/3OWBdZ_ELGARCockaigneOverture%28InLondonTown%29%2COp.mp3

Elgar conducting his own Cockaigne Overture in 1933. The string playing is very good! What's interesting about this recording, though, is that it was a case of "accidental" stereo.

>Shortly after the introduction of electrical recording, it became standard practice to make backups for wax matrices by simultaneously recording on a second cutting table, with the takes from the first being numbered 1, 2, etc. and the ones from the second 1A, 2A, etc. In the vast majority of cases, the two cutters were fed from the same microphone. Occasionally, however, each was run from its own microphone; and where those matching takes survive and have been released, it is possible to combine them to produce what has come to be called “accidental stereo”.

hey classical-bros, what happened to rebbecablacktech?
you used to be able to search for text, but now they only allow you to search for subjects in OPs and shit.
Am i blind or did they remove the feature?

>>72555288
I believe they migrated to a new site and are in the middle of transferring over all the data and some things still don't work

>>72555301
oh i see, my timing is unfortunate, then

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>>72555209
Yeah, damn me for being annoyed by retarded, racist, unfunny /pol/tards on my favourite general on 4chan, a general that has been historically pristine from these sort of worthless debates, discourses and references.

My point stands: there are anons right on this thread who are actually triggered by people who are either non-racist or explicitly anti-racist (while the former may be welcomed with derision the former will be welcomed with downright hostility).

And, as this anon has shown us, as long as the subject of criticism is racist, it is redeemable. It does not matter if it's a talentless teenager saying that black people are monkeys, as long as it is racist it is worth defending (let me guess, to fight political correctness? Like this is a actual force to be reckoned with here on 4chan).

>>72555336
It's better than anime.

>>72555465
We can talk about Toru Takemitsu if you want.

>>72555494
Gook works.

>>72555341
dumb gooks, am i right

>>72555336

I've run many of these generals... What the fuck are you talking about? I frequently have to save it from being archived. It's deader than Bach.

>>72555516
Uh?

>>72555336
No, you dumb nigger. It's to fight stupidity. You fell for most the obvious "GIVE ME REPLIES" post imaginable, and you're still fucking going on about it whilst derailing the thread. It has nothing to do with actual racism or /pol/tards, and everything to do with you actually being stupid enough to bother replying to that kind of dime-a-dozen shitpost at all.

>>72555137
I did not "defend it" because I thought it was funny you nut case. I am even one of the posters who were starting to discuss jazz before spaghetti was spilled over it.

My posts:
>>72548746
>>72549316
>>72549601
>>72551141
(it's obvious which ones are mine after this one)

To reiterate: I want both /pol/ and /leftypol/ to leave.

i just listened to dvorak for the first time who are some other good string composers

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>comes onto /classical/ for classical music
>sees monkeyposters and redpillers that have escaped their own board's habitat
it's okay, i get lonely too sometimes anons

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>>72555570
>It's to fight stupidity. You fell for most the obvious "GIVE ME REPLIES" post imaginable, and you're still fucking going on about it whilst derailing the thread.
Of course now you're playing this card, after having defended it for hours. Of course as soon as I use the word stupidity that becomes the secret argument that you have concocted all along.
What you're not considering is that I've replied to that post exactly once, and that the debate that stemmed from that reply uses that post only as a source.

>It has nothing to do with actual racism or /pol/tards, and everything to do with you actually being stupid enough to bother replying to that kind of dime-a-dozen shitpost at all.
And you felt the need to reply to my criticism (which was fairly self-contained), multiple times.
Earlier you were doing so as some sort of anti-PC statement, now you're defending it because it was a bait all along.
You seem confused, as usual.

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>>72555688
That guy is not me.

>>72555688
>everyone I reply to is the same person
dumb monkey

>>72555632
Which string works do you mean? His serenade for strings is usually paired with Tchaikovsky. I suppose his string quartets are similar to Mendelssohn's or Mendy's string symphonies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jwml0jevv0

>>72555688
Uh, sorry? What the fuck are you going on about? That was my first post in this thread. Period. You should even have a new IP marked.

Fucking hell, you sure got baited hard if you're being this autistic. There are no "sekret" arguments, only common sense. It's fucking obvious you got baited into throwing a fit, you thin-skinned moron.

Take some fucking Brahms, you shit-head:
https://youtu.be/-PyAkTW5HDU

>>72555336

>there are anons right on this thread who are actually triggered by people who are either non-racist or explicitly anti-racist (while the former may be welcomed with derision the former will be welcomed with downright hostility)

Interesting how absolutely no one was in any way bothered by this anti-racist post >>72548081

>>72555892
cool

>>72553036
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>>72555768
20 posts which do not belong in the thread

(>>72553666)
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>>72552905
23 posts which (more or less) do.

A 1:1 ratio isn't something to aim for you fucks. Talk about classical music or take it to /pol/ and continue your shitflinging where it won't ruin this thread.
Here's Strauss conducting Strauss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hzZDlizTjU

>>72556145
Mildly fucked up the last bit, the 4th-2nd last ones in group 2 should actually be in group 1, making it a ratio of of 20 that belong because they at least vaguely engage with classical music compared to 23 which don't at all.

>>72556145
Triggered

>>72555775
ive only listened to serenade for strings and this is really good thanks

waaaaaaahhhhhh i though this was a lefty safe space

you can't use that word

why don't you talk about more ethnic and womyn composers you bigot?

jazz is just as valid as classical because it's made by POC

I blame OP.
non-patricians leave memery + picture of fat hairy monkey that has nothing to do with anything = a giant sign that reads
>this is the /shitposting/ general

>The March to the Scaffold is literally nothing but brassy farts
What did Berlioz mean by this?

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Why is it that almost any competent jazz musician can play classical music at least passably, yet classical musicians are almost always terrible at playing jazz?

>>72556641
Anything less than professional-level playing is terrible actually

>>72556641
jazz takes more than just muscle memory to play well

>>72556806
Like the ability to interpret a score? Oh wait...

>>72556806
anyone can play some crazy #13 dominant chord followed by a fifth down

>>72556900
>#13
that would be the same as the b7, making the "dominant" part of your statement redundant

as any good jazz musician would be happy to tell you

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>>72556641
>almost any competent jazz musician can play classical music at least passably
>classical musicians are almost always terrible at playing jazz

I hope no one takes this post seriously

>>72555080
>>72555189
>>72555258
Thank you very much! I'll look into these.

>>72557062
name one classical musician who also plays jazz even halfway decently

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>>72547158
You are absolutely correct.
https://youtu.be/FNQqyv88H7E
Fortunately only those of us that are enlightened have the capacity to appreciate his music.

>>72557174
oscar peterson was classically trained

>>72557542
lol but nobody considers him a classical musician

>>72557526
Reported.

>>72557174
wynton marsalis

>>72557621
see
>>72557572
He'd be better off if he did just stick to classical though

>>72557640
I said it in jest, although I definitely agree.

>tfw no more based 80's-90's wynty poo that gave a shit about classical

>>72556984
fuck u

>>72548144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCMkrSb1k4

>>72557174
Depends how you define jazz. If you mean spur of the moment improvisations/routines on familiar standards and tunes then I really must say that I don't give even the slightest shit about that kind of "music". Listening to Art Tatum for example does absolutely nothing for me apart from make me go wow at how effortlessly he can play triplets, runs, and scales and I imagine most people that seriously listen to classical music feel the same way. The themes are usually nothing more than simplistic, earworm melodies with little to no development and even the improvisational aspect is often just capriciously layering fast octaves and figurations in alternating rhythms over the theme.

If it absolutely has to have improvisation, then try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhRL6SBHMsQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owTWl66QcTA

It doesn't need to be said given how well he plays but he got fourth at the 2015 Tchaikovsky competition so I suppose he's a pretty great classical pianist, although that still implies that there were three there who the judges felt were better. There's more videos out there of him playing jazz but most of them are low quality and I can't be bothered to sift through them.

If notated works that involve jazz harmony count even if you can say they're written in the "classical idiom" then I think some of the compositions of Kapustin, Weissenberg, Grainger, and Gulda are quite nice *for jazz*. I much prefer this type of music. Why improvise for the sake of improvising? It's a fetishistic practice that lends the performer and his virtuosity more esteem than whoever originally wrote the music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEg-M03tZDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0G4ANeh0HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ9o6PPSL88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qn3AUUPpqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk10sUa0A-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k2vQgC_hbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slonnIcNMUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9UK8ljj9xw

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>>72551458

>>72558136
>Why improvise for the sake of improvising? It's a fetishistic practice that lends the performer and his virtuosity more esteem than whoever originally wrote the music

I think almost all the great composers up until the end of the 19th century would probably disagree with you, since most of them realized that practicing improvisation is a helpful tool for any serious composer, just as studying composition is a useful tool for any serious improviser.

>>72558259
Instead of appealing to authority, why don't you state your case?

>>72558342
I have no case except that to me you sound like someone who has never studied or practiced improvisation and therefore doesn't understand its value.

Art Tatum is also a terrible example of high level improvisation.

>>72558412
I'm not that guy.

>>72558414
Then apply what I said to that guy and that's my only case.

>>72558259
Yes, improvisation was indeed much more prevalent up to the mid 20th century and composers like Liszt for example would frequently improvise on whatever works they were performing, be it their own or another's, but it was nowhere near as loose as how most Jazz performers take just the theme/melody from a standard and the general gist of the music and create something essentially new around it. Think more of Glenn Gould and how he could reshape and embellish something to sound radically different to other performances while still being recognizable and true to the work's structure and character. There was also improvisation that involved everything including the themes being made up on the spot like Medtner Op. 2, 31, 47.

Said composers were famous for the original works they composed, the things that they penned down and had published so other people could play from the notation that they wrote. They didn't just toss out general ideas and tell people to go to town with them, at most there would be an instruction to play a cadenza at the performer's discretion but even then many of them would opt for a selection that someone else had already written for that specific work.

Improvisation is very important for any serious musician, I'm not denying that. What I meant was that if I'm going to go to a concert and sit down for an hour or two to listen to music with my undivided attention then I'd rather listen to music that was deliberately and thoughtfully composed instead of the performer just showing off and playing around with some vague ideas.

You could say it's a difference of taste, really. I'm not saying that jazz is bad, I'm just stating why it doesn't appeal to me in particular and why I prefer proper compositions over improv.

Also, I'd love to hear what you consider high level improvisation. What's wrong with Art Tatum? I thought he was pretty well regarded in the field of jazz but I guess that just highlights how little I know about it.

>>72558636
>if I'm going to go to a concert and sit down for an hour or two to listen to music with my undivided attention then I'd rather listen to music that was deliberately and thoughtfully composed
Exact opposite for me. It's to the point where I won't really go see live music if there's on improvisation.

Since the revolution of recorded music I can't see any point in going to see a live performance of something I can buy a recording or sheet music of and study in detail and relisten to.

A well-rounded musician should be able to use a good composition as a starting point and create new music within the structure of that composition. And I'd much rather hear that if I'm going to see live music.

Bill Evans is one of the best examples of the heights of jazz improvisation, especially the possibilities of cooperative improvisation between two or more people. His recordings with bassist Scott LaFaro.

The Dave Holland Quintet is another good example.

>>72558782
If there's no improvisation*

fav top 3 classical songs?

ill start:
hans zimmer: inception theme song
beethoven moonlight sonata
requiem for a dream

>>72559088
lemonade - beyonce

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I shall maintain that this is one of Vivaldi's best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gtTC0qfFnc

>>72559477
What does Touhou have to do with Vivaldi?

>>72559524
Only patricians appreciate them.

>>72547754
>Glennie

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Listened to this five times in the past few days and I'm starting to think this might be the most incredible thing I've ever heard.
What are /classical/s favorite recordings with horrible sound, from the 30s, ect.

>>72558782
if you genuinely think bill evans is a better improviser than art tatum i hate to break it to you but you might have shit taste

>>72559645
>neither of them have anything on Bud Powell

>>72559645
>>72559657
there's a thread for this you guys >>72548245

(but i do love bud powell)

>>72547281
Lemon key. : o

>>72547418
Jazz is pretty good for its inspiration of Weill, Adams and minimalist composers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NbbKc1Y6EE

>>72547501
Magic Flute - Carl Davis recording

>>72548144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mryobMQUZng

>>72549067
From that period Gershwin, Weill and Bernstein are pretty good.

>>72551014
To be fair Nazism does promote collectivism and brotherly love.

>>72554785
tl;dr

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>>72554785

>>72559599
Furtwangler's Lohengrin from 36.

>>72559949
http://www.4chan.org/rules
>All images should relate to the topic at hand.

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>>72551014

Agreed, we must smite the nonbelievers.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2n7vd9_bugs-bunny-rhapsody-rabbit_shortfilms

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>>72549067
I don't listen to a lot of jazz, mostly for the same reasons as this anon:

>>72558136
>>72558636
Ditto to pretty much everything he said.
Of course, I do lament the fact that the culture of improvisation was to a large extent lost among classical musicians. I'd love it if soloists played their own cadenzas more often. Few dare.

>>72558782
Improvisation is only the most salient / stark way of differentiating performances. You can never interpret a piece the same way twice. I don't go to recitals to listen to the same music. I go to recitals to listen to a new materialisation of the original conception.

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>>72547322
>no one has suggested concerto for orchestra yet
it you listen
Also dances in a Bulgarian rhythm

>>72561372
poly is back!
fuck off, poly.

Shittiest /classical/ in a long time.

>>72561692
you obviously weren't here a couple days ago

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Someone mentioned Langgaard last thread. Except for "Music of the Spheres" (which I like a lot), I haven't listened to any of his works myself. I've been meaning to go through his symphonies for a while now but never got to finishing even the first one. I found it too cookie-cutter-late-Romanticism (always got me in the mood to listen to Wagner instead). Are they worth the trek?

(Uh-uhmm... p-p-please respond!! The thread has enough irrelevant whining in it already...)

>>72561883
see
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>>72561890
see
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>>72561890
>>72561903
>>72561914
Uhuh... but, what about Langgaard?

>>72561943
see
>>72559965

>>72561943
>Are they worth the trek?
Nope
>>72561951
Fuck off

>>72561960
see
>>72561914

>>72559645
Read the post again you berry. Tatum's style of improvisation is based largely around embellishment of the melody with super fast arpeggios, diatonic, and chromatic runs. While technically incredible, it's not nearly as musically deep as the highly interactive style that Bill Evans developed with Scott LaFaro.

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>>72562107
>Durchführung > Floritura
<--- Vivaldifags everywhere

>>72562253
see
>>72559965

>>72559599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HptoPSrZh-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5QHm2lMJJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRFdwZzKccg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6fIdNOe_YA

>>72559599
Never thought about it. There are no recordings that old that I consistently return to.
A couple nice Toscanini oldies with the NYP (1929):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=159Zo9d1njQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NknWToJcLw

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>>72559599

Anyone else just know that one day they will wake up and be able to compose music that is so beautiful that you will be remembered forever?

Koechlin:

Poème pour cor et orchestre --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzvnHwAklYM
The Seven Stars' Symphony --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW-1uigZ-14

>>72563716
No, because composing is hard work.

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>>72559599

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Is there any more works that are good as Prélude à l'Après-midi d'un faune during that impressionist era?

It's possibly one of the greatest pieces of music ever written, but I have skimmed over some other impressionist pieces and I haven't found anything as good.

>>72564410
Chocolate - The 1975

>>72564410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkTOsxX3D8I

>>72547108
what's the password to the winrar files?

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>>72547108
Rate pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aUpWEoDe-M

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hVxjyZ22-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcsFUEEX5Rk

>>72565231
Any Corelli recordings you recommend?

>>72564827
pippo9

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>>72565251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ce15s4NYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZbakhaAB9I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKD4eK7VrQ

>>72565251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpqtWOPNIt8

>>72550161
>le derivative harmonic modulation and unique rhythmic patterns man
>underrated

lmfao, he's exactly where he should be fampai.

>anime faggots ruin every thread

ban on sight status when?

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>>72565619
This thread was ruined by faggots like you who keep making off-topic shitposts, not posters who use anime reaction images in on-topic comments.

Go jump off a bridge.

>>72565733
>>>/a/
no one wants you here

>>72565754
m8 worry about the posters in the top half of the thread instead of anime posters
[spoiler]and honestly i don't think anyone could determine who the anime posters are if they hid all images [/spoiler]

>>72547108
>no electric guitars in the entire genre
Clearly pleb-tier.

Do you guys have a chart for starting to listen to classical? Not really sure where to begin

>>72566176
Doesn't really work that was as classical is so broad. What do you like already, of classical or other music?

>tfw removed that firecracker at the beginning of Brahms' 4 finale in the Toscanini/Philharmonia recording

Get rekt, kid

>>72566221
I havent listened to much classical honestly. I like canon in d, but I think everyone probably does. I listen to mostly metal, and [spoiler] jazz but im not shitposting i swear[/spoiler].

>>72566372
Bartok 3rd Piano Concerto, Stravinsky Firebird, Beethoven 5th Symphony, Mozart 23rd Piano Concerto, Bach Cello Suite 1.

>>72566610
Thanks anon

>>72564410
Pieces that get me in the same mood are often pieces with the same-ish instrumentation, but yeah no other pieces rly come close.
Listen to a lot of pieces with flute + harp + whatever, i recommend Jean Cras, Sem Dresden, Andre Jolivet and ofc Debussy (sonatas, and danse sacre) and Ravel (introduction and allegro).
Also try some solo flute maybe,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ay1hoJzT4 (i prefer this version, but in most performances the poem is left out.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0Lhitqu5LI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVEcDaw-l3Q

also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iSKNthmboA

hope this helps

>>72567528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNfmsN_8hQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHrstmOPKBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk5Q0XJhzas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU2geih9rA4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5oVgqIbOqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz-z-e9XTzM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oINEi_zJhJs

>>72567634
bit different but a lot of harp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ATDBgDbLE&t=1041s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpVkYGmMkA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln3s6Eh-SVU

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post yfw beethoven's 7th

>>72568101
stop camwhoring bitch

post your beethoven 7th when you hane no face

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>>72568288

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post yfw that third rondo section of the final movement of Beethoven 8 where he modulates from D Major into F Major before suddenly going into the very distant F# Minor, thus "explaining" the rogue C# we've been hearing throughout the movement before the triumphant brass entry smashes everything back into F major and paves the way for the final run into that gorgeous coda.

>>72568537
I want to die inside the galactic cat mother's fur coat like a flea

>>72568564
wtf is this nerd shit

>>72568564
Why would a C# be rogue in the key of D Major?

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>>72568660
literally one of the finest moments in the canon

>>72568853
Who does the eighth the best?

>>72568773
Because you hear it repeatedly in the opening of the movement when the music is in F major, long before the D major theme comes in. And there are 20 bars of music in F major in between the D major section and the modulation to F# minor, so the C# is very out of place. Although you can argue that the whole movement has been preparing for this moment and the resolution of the mediant relationship between D-flat and F via a modulation based on the functional sonority of a C# dominant 7th chord into F# minor, but C# V7 can also be read as an augmented 6th chord in F major, so the possibility to take either route is there.

>>72569209
Scherchen owns that Symphony, desu

>>72569209
Usual suspects for Beethoven really: Scherchen, Leibowitz, Monteux, Klemperer etc.

Scherchen is probably my favourite because he really attacks the last movement. Leibowitz is a good all-rounder, it does everything well so is a nice starting point to avoid colouring your opinion with the more idiosyncratic performances.
Monteux is quite poised and stately at times but it somehow works; Klemperer combines this stateliness with really crisp articulation which is again an interesting effect.
Furtwangler is ok too, although often feels a bit too heavy-handed in his attempts to point out specific bits of the orchestral texture; it's an approach that works for other Beethoven symphonies but not really for the 8th.

>>72569620
Thanks for the detailed post.

>>72569620
Monteux just fucking nails the balance in just about everything he does.

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCumqczmphg

>>72569620
I only have a Fricsay mono record, will look for those.

>>72570735
Also looks for markevitch recording

what is /classical/ favorite orchestra?

>>72570825
and what is more like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj9-2RgM6p4 ?thank you

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>>72570825
VBO mainly because Carmignola is in it.

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>>72570825
Does pic related count?

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>>72570825

desu

>>72570891
>Carmignola

type of pasta?

>>72570937
no? I ask orchestra
>>72570973
why?

>>72570850
Mealor

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>>72571073

>>72571123
I ask why orchestra

>>72570735
I listened to a Fricsay conducted 8 earlier (RIAS, 1954) since I realised I hadn't heard him do it. Wasn't all that impressed by it though, at least compared to the other ones mentioned ITT.

>>72571151
Are you retarded or something?

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>>72571032
>type of pasta?
What did he mean by this?

>>72570973
My brother from another mother1 They also have a nice youtube channel. Not stingy like other bastards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4788Tmz9Zo

>>72570973
>>72571123

nice meme desu

>>72571169
Yeah, it's just an adequate recording.

GET IN HERE YOU LITTLE SLUTS
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>>72571320
>implying

>>72571355
>shitposty OP again
pls stahp

>>72569209
De Sabata

>>72571384
>mad you got scooped again
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