new rivalry?
https://twitter.com/Igbtwice/status/859129906399150080
https://twitter.com/Igbtwice/status/859129906399150080
https://twitter.com/Igbtwice/status/859129906399150080
>>72530578
Great thread
Subin is probably the kindest person I've ever seen
and her solo songs are amazing
>>72530578
cute cute cute
>>72530591
Who hasn't done this? Kpop fans are dumb.
>kard is an innovative group
kek
>>72530598
what makes you think so
>>72530622
probably said by the same karashitters who said that kara was a rival to snsd
>>72530599
who is this nip
>>72530576
>golden personality
word
She seems to be really thoughtful and sweet
>>72530659
best pals
>>72530637
Dal Shabet varieties I've seen
that weekly idol with DIA the most
Yehana is so adorable it hurts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNwYapPXNkw
>Short Ver.
>There's probably 1:20 minutes more of this shit
Hallyu was a mistake
>>72530679
triple h should have been ^H
>>72530670
so cute
still, they're so similar yet their fate couldn't be more different
Nugushitters, leave Twice alone. Final warning.
>>72530748
her smile and eyesmile is 10/10
>>72530591
>lgbtwice
wtf
>>72530578
Ugly ass niggas
post ABSOLUTE SAMUEL L MADAME
>>72530606
why are nb articles deleted?
>>72530591
it did remind me of that wjsn shoot
>>72530802
because they are shit and NB is shit
>>72530802
because its literal spam
>>72530761
its sad that cube broke
>>72530824
but articles have been posted for years, since when are they against the rules?
i wanna give it to me~
(hue) (hue)
>>72530591
>wjsn invented school uniforms
>>72530659
Wow, a sorn pic that isn't maximum uggo, wtf!
>>72530843
since butthurt IUshitters started reporting them
>>72530843
it's interesting that someone would learn enough about what goes on here to start doing that
>>72530320
I'll level with you, your argument is "there is no other sound like KARD in kpop"
firstly a group with 3 songs doesn't really have a "sound". there is also no indication that they will continue the same trend, I would be really surprised if they have more tropical house songs than rest in their first album.
let's assume they have the "sound" and they brought it to kpop. it doesn't make a difference since it was really popular within the past year in western pop, and it's not really innovating if they blatanty copied it from another pop. I mean EXO-K does kpop and EXO-M does cpop, nobody claims that EXO-M is innovating shit because it's new in cpop. it's also like saying TVXQ invented EDM because they used it more consistently than others
so here are your arguments, please try not to cherrypick some sentences or accuse me of "no reading comprehension" or "can't follow a basic line of argumentation". I am anticipating your con arguments and a pro argument~
>>72530817
U sound like a T-rash shitter who got btfo by Hwagod and NB
Stay buttblasted fagboi
Based Sana and Chewers bullying the uggo.
>>72530843
not him but its always the same negative garbage. you should feel bad for visiting NB but reposting that shit? kinda pathetic
>>72530900
how's hwadog's instagram going? lmao
>>72530873
i'm honestly surprised mods even monitor these threads
some shit gets removed awfully fast
>>72530891
Tropical shit is not new, but their style is different from every coed group before them.
You're dumb and long-winded
>>72530950
>Tropical shit is not new
your post should have ended here
>>72530901
What is she thinking? "Oh i have a head like a fucking thumb so i guess i better get the worst haircut on earth to compliment it!"?
> whaaa NB keeps meanposting about my waifu
Fucking hell I never thought 4chan would turn into a safe space.
You literally worse than OH right now. Banter isn't banned on there
>>72530981
fake news aren't banter you moron
>>72530981
why do you type like that?
>>72530683
this entire thing is completely amazing in the most ironic way possible
i cant hate it
>>72530904
i lost interest after it became clear that netizen sentiment wasn't representative of how young korean music buyers felt. every once and a while they say something truly funny. i don't mind seeing that
Stop sexualizing Sejeong, she's still a virg*n.
>>72530959
> I am anticipating your con arguments and a pro argument~
>>72530981
sounds like you want a safe space
>>72531012
she got zico'd
>>72531026
Doesn't mean a thing, her company arranged that.
What makes you think they had sex?
what's the saddest kpop song
>>72531056
brown eyed girls - cleansing cream
>>72531056
Cry - MBLAQ for me
>>72531036
2 days ago some anon listed a couple girls zico fucked
sejeong was one of them and i thought it was funny, i don't even care if it's true or not
>>72531012
>>72531056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CTced9CMMk
>>72530981
ˈban(t)ər/
noun
the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.
>>72531056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_lb9KYwUlQ
>>72530981
i don't even like IU though. the new album is awful
NB articles are still bottom of the barrel. even we are better than that
>>72530981
you're right, its just downvoted until you're banned
>>72531056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiGfctpa-x8
areum...
https://twitter.com/_sejeongdays/status/858873503029882880
>>72531056
anything by sonamoo because you remember that they will always be nugu
>>72531056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7JYOzTl-ec
>>72531076
Either way... that face is busted.
>>72531056
This one makes me sad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_ius-a-J1s
>>72531096
damn, how old was shannon like 15?
>>72531101
fuck you
now I'm sad
>>72531136
told you dumbass
>>72531056
this is the real deal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvo4K0R1c9Y
brought a tear into my eye the first time I heard it.
Wendy does it
>>72531098
too much whitening cream
>>72530950
>Tropical shit is not new
I didn't claim it's new
>their style is different from every coed group before them
every group has a different aspect, not really innovating
"RV's style is different from every 5 member group before them because ..." I can fill in the blank in countless ways
you got fucking told again and you resorted to ad hominem and strawman like you always did. fucking neck yourself retarded kardshitter
>>72531151
fuck off I'm not that guy
I never asked for this
LAAAAABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM
> arguments between autists that last several threads
>all memes and banter banned
I hate nukpg
>>72531171
>t. yezimemer
>>72531180
is "nukpg" a thing now?
i havent been here this year at all and before that i barely posted here since mid 2015
>>72531161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvCSvM_WF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcaVotFDl4U
>>72531180
I am afraid to post here now
Minaoa looks like members bullied her
>>72531180
do you consider NB articles banter?
[HANTEO] @ 170501
IU — #Palette 8,375 (28,735 total)
SECHSKIES — #The20thAnniversary 2,890 (14,313 total)
JONGHYUN — #StoryOp2 1,685 (16,965 total)
EXID — #Eclipse 273 (8,093 total)
SNUPER — #IWanna 222 (16,395 total)
BTS — #YouNeverWalkAlone 86 (500,579 total)
Taeyeon — #MyVoiceDeluxe 78 (39,639 total)
WINNER — #FateNumberFor 40 (54,109 total)
Eunji — #TheSpace 27 (18,185 total)
Yesung — #SpringFalling 12 (18,510 total)
OH MY GIRL — #ColoringBook 9 (18,008 total)
No one I'd monitoring the thread and no mods know anything about kpg culture.
They just ban every single person reported more than once. The reason kpg is so shit these days is that we have people who report posts.
>>72531180
I swear it's the same two guys that had an argument abut snsd debuting in the US and other retarded arguments that never go anywhere
it's always the same style, always the same pattern, always goes on for whole threads
wtf is wrong with you two
/kpg/ reached its peak in summer 2013.
2014 was good too.
>>72531012
>>72531036
>>72531056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY7dRwJnJZ0
And the sequel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O_xGofP7ag
>>72531225
its twiceshitters and IUshitters
>>72531225
there's a mod that sits on kpg and instantly bans whatever offends them sometimes
it's not even a janny since those have to make a ban request first
Im glad nb articles are getting deleted.
What I can't stand is that there is rhyme or reason for why people get banned. Mods just don't like us.
cutest girl in the milky way~
the one guy who keeps going on about everyone not being able to have ''banter'' sure does cry alot
http://www.strawpoll.me/12874845
http://www.strawpoll.me/12874845
http://www.strawpoll.me/12874845
>>72531270
Sojin's milky way....
>>72531291
where's the 2017 option?
>>72531264
>I like when people get banned for no reason
>what I can't stand is when people get banned for no reason
>this thread
>>72531242
God, she's so fucking beautiful.
>>72531303
try scrolling down
>>72531294
well at least you didnt say she looks like a trans
what is scv?
>>72531291
I lurked a bit late 2014 then started posting mid 2015
the fuck does "scv" stand for?
>>72531306
NB is spam and mods aren't banning NB spammers
>>72531332
even if she was a trans I still would
just noticed that the rapper in rv's be natural is scamyoung
were netizens butthurt even back then?
>>72531291
>2015 is highest
Fucking newfags I swear
>>72531335
>>72531341
>>72531335
>>72531341
which twice is your waifu?
>>72531291
to all the new 2017 posters: slug is our girl and we never hate on her
>>72531364
Somi
>>72531349
yeah
>>72531345
>on topic
>spam
>1 post
>spam
Hmmm. ..
>>72531354
>>72531364
no, seriously?
also, it's her
>>72531366
we just hate the slug posters
>>72531366
word and we don't swear when she is around
>>72531389
no we love them too
Everyone saying 2016 is from OH right?
>>72531378
as expected
>>72531364
Twice was late 2015, I was here before that. Also, never watched 16
>>72531371
If you want to post NB articles then post a link. Don't copy paste the whole fucking thing.
>>72531378
She is perfect holyshit.
kpops with instruments are sexy
>>72531415
not real Choa
do not click
>>72531408
That's not the way we do things around here. If you were a 2012 poster you'd understand.
>>72531414
>>72531366
slug's face is TWICE that size these days so... its time to move on
>>72530591
>>72530853
lbr about who really made the uniform concept popular again
>>72531056
THE ARK(디아크) _ The Light(빛)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-cOZgaotPY
Akdong Musician(AKMU) - 얼음들(MELTED)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUCIzn0mRHc
>>72531415
best choa
>>72531436
>TWICE
Word
newfags run kpg
>>72531453
slug is the new chaeyoung
(*): Songs before 2017
1. I Will Go To You Like The First Snow (Goblin OST Part 9) - Ailee - 1,333,375
2. Last Goodbye - AKMU - 1,037,204
3. Beautiful (Goblin OST Part 4) - CRUSH - 880,155*
4. KNOCK KNOCK - TWICE - 871,933
5. Tell Me You Love Me - BolBBalgan4 - 824,997*
6. I Miss You (Goblin OST Part 7) - Soyou (Sistar) - 813,255*
7. Rookie - Red Velvet - 784,660
8. Stay With Me (Goblin OST Part 1) - Chanyeol (EXO), Punch - 783,989*
9. Your Night (Infinite Challenge: Great Legacy) - Kwanghee X Gaeko (Dynamic Duo) - 776,655*
10. The Song - Zion.T - 703,515
11. YESTERDAY - Block B - 691,861
12. Fine - Taeyeon (SNSD) - 677,093
13. FXXK IT - Big Bang - 660,287*
14. The First Snow (Goblin OST Part 8) - Jeong Jun Il - 654,773*
15. You Are So Beautiful (Goblin OST Part 5) - Eddy Kim - 652,026*
16. Through The Night - IU - 648,706
17. Wish (Goblin OST Part 10) - Urban Zakapa - 613,054
18. Sweet Heart - Seenroot - 610,945
19. Spring Day - BTS - 609,558
20. Who are you (Goblin OST Part 6) - Sam Kim - 607,893*
21. Lost Without You (feat. Bolbbalgan4) - Mad Clown - 590,328
22. Galaxy - BolBBalgan4 - 583,306*
23. Pretend - Suzy (miss A) - 559,199
24. Marry Me - Gu Yoon Heo - 552,363
25. Rain - Soyou (Sistar), Baekhyun (EXO) - 540,779
26. Love That Doesn't Work Out For Me - BolBBalgan4 - 538,298*
27. TT - TWICE - 525,167*
28. Nosedive - Dynamic Duo, Chen (EXO) - 521,164
29. Decalcomanie - Mamamoo - 520,438*
30. Complex (feat. G-Dragon of Big Bang) - Zion.T - 513,833
31. Plz Don't Be Sad - Highlight - 494,203
32. Playing with Fire - BLACKPINK - 490,073*
33. Star - Heize - 488,729*
34. Excuse Me - AOA - 487,386
35. Can't Love You Anymore (with Oh Hyuk of hyukoh) - IU - 470,935
36. LAST DANCE - Big Bang - 469,561*
37. Anymore (feat. Wheein of Mamamoo) - Jung Key - 466,082
38. Making A New Ending For This Story - Han Dong Geun - 444,421*
39. Beyond (feat. Baek Yerin of 15&) - DEAN - 437,328
40. Amazing You - Han Dong Geun - 433,888*
41. Downpour - I.O.I - 408,134
>>72531462
why does korea love osts so much?
>>72531461
>both are beautiful and loveable
Word
I got into kpop in 2014 but I care more about groups that debuted in 2009 than about groups that debuted in 2014
>>72531378
>>72531341
scv was (still is but its not the same) a general on >>>/vg/ and before /vg/ was made (in early 2012 i believe) it was on >>>/v/
we used to talk about kpop there, then one day everyone suddenly got banned and the majority of kshitters migrated here
*slowly creeps into the thread*
honestly im more into jpussy
>>72531056
i cri evrytiem
https://youtu.be/jy_Ioc4ZZI8
Where is TKOPA now
>>72531424
>>72531421
that's a chink tho
that's what i'm talking about i want to see CHARTS
>>72531491
hopefully dead
i remember when you used to get redirected to /reddit/ if you said you like bigbang on kpg
>>72531222
>OH MY GIRL — #ColoringBook 9 (18,008 total)
That is really really bad.
>>72531514
but they were always our guys
>no iu
>>72531515
don't worry I'm ordering 5000 copies as we speak
>>72531462
>7. Rookie - Red Velvet - 784,660
>13. FXXK IT - Big Bang - 660,287*
>27. TT - TWICE - 525,167*
>32. Playing with Fire - BLACKPINK - 490,073*
4 good songs total
>>72531491
dead in a ditch hopefully
i miss Mahe and Tosog though
>>72531486
oh that's what those mod logs people were posting a month or so ago were about? I thought those were just concurrent threads like now with us and /hr/ and /wsg/
>>72531486
>when you got into sc2 and the GSL because of kpop posters in /scv/ back in 2011
i've been a fan of kpop for too long
>>72531437
they had the best uniform concept of the new generation
>>72531547
Soyeon....
>>72531535
>lookie
>good
I like rv but common now...
>>72531506
her dad's gonna fuck you up
>>72531547
slayers_iu...
>>72531547
iu...
tkopa feels like yesterday to me
i miss being young and shitposting on scv
;_;
>>72531530
Japanese oppa...
>>72531565
why do you like RV? because of garbage like ice cream cake?
>>72531543
yeah, those mod logs were from around april 2014, i think
a year after we migrated here
february 2013 is when kpg was officially made, why the fuck do i even remember these things, i dont know
>>72531576
I was in my 20s back then...
>>72531589
Dumb dumb and wendy
>>72531567
with what? his eyebrows?
>>72531589
probably because of Slug
>>72531552
WORD
>>72531576
best time of my internet life
>>72531604
>Dumb dumb
almost just as annoying as ICC, its always the same idiots hating on rookie. kys
>>72531056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDYbFOw4FGc
>>72531609
best wardrobe
>>72531604
>liking wendy
here's a tumblr gif for making me laugh
>>72531601
same, now im in my mid 20s
>>72531616
exactly
are things ever going to be that good again?
>>72531543
those logs were from the mukpg era
there was also a time when lots of people got banned from here and created r9kpg and mu had super slow music discussion threads between anons who stayed, until they got banned from r9k too and came back
how's the rest of the triple h album? similarly forgettable?
> you spent the best years of your life in a starcraft themed kpop thread on an Indian knitting board.
>>72531628
What's not to like about all three songs?
>>72531628
i like all of those songs
>>72531222
ok where's that guy who said palette would be lucky if it sold 25k total lmao
>>72531651
>>72531649
kys joycuck
>>72531606
imagine being attracted to this mongol
>>72531703
i dont have to imagine
so this general is pretty much just the 2015 and 2017 shitters
>>72531685
she could "accidentally" shoot mina with a bow there
think about that
>>72531701
>he thinks i like joy
you just keep on giving anon
someone posted this pic earlier, I know it's someone from Pristin but anyways I liked it a lot. do you guys have any pic you saved of an idol from a group you're neutral about?
>>72531703
I dont have to imagine
>>72531723
why would you stick around for several years, gramps?
>>72531703
untreatable yellow fever
>>72531735
Wendy > your rv
>tfw twice is going to release some garbage like very very very or knock knock instead of a masterpiece like cheer up
>>72531703
omo
>>72531758
but Wendy is a bottom...
>>72531764
>very very very or knock knock
wew lad
>>72531746
because, even though its not the same, i got too used to this place and have nowhere else to go
maybe i need to find a new hobby
fuck it, im so fucking old
>>72531741
Can anyone post my wife Eunseo?
>>72531758
>he thinks i like rv
taesweater
>>72531741
I haven't listened to any of their songs either and Eunwoo is the only one I know. I never even bothered to rename the folder after her group changed the name. It's about the same with OMG but I've listened to two of their songs.
>>72531786
i wish i was there for this, but i remember that image being reposted a lot
i came around that time when bigbang released alive and anis was the king of shitposting
>>72531786
scv really knew how to shitpost in a humorous way
nowadays its just unfunny newshits trying way too hard
>>72531764
Based twice letting other groups have a chance to get soty this year.
They are so kind this is why i love them.
>>72531815
she doesn't sweat
>>72531795
its fine as long as you dont turn into a bitter cunt who shits on every new group because they are not like "the golden age groups"
Why don't mods just give us a board so they dont need to watch us
>>72531764
i like all of those songs but i don't really trust jew why pee at all, let's see.
>>72531685
joey...
>>72531786
>all posted in the same minute
was scv really that fucking ALIVE at one point?
>>72531835
>>72531741
I like thicc girls and I like dogs
>>72531877
you have no idea, it was one of the most active threads on 4chan
also the cooldown timer was 30 seconds
>>72531764
>tfw twice is going to release another SOTY/AOTY
word
>>72531862
>board for 50 kshitters
one can only dream
>>72531703
down with downgi!
>>72531597
some anon needs to pass down the history to the next generation
thx I've always wondered about these things but got told to lurk more, when I actually asked
>>72531723
I've been here since 2013, not counting the time I spent on scv
>>72531862
>lawless kpg
no thanks, the choa spam and babysoul avataring is bad enough as is
>>72531854
this desu
I've embraced the new gen even though all the groups that got me into kpop are dead or dying
>>72531854
true, i always hated people like that when i was new
i guess for everyone the "golden age" of something is going to be the age when you first got into it, if that makes any sense
>>72531894
hul they really are busted
>>72531910
>>72531910
I dunno why you guys complain about my babysoul posts, it's not nearly as frequent as it used to be but it's still not enough for you
I think you just want something to whine about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLDFKae7DcY
>>72531899
>tfw you realize that most ugly monolidders look like they have downs
>>72531931
>tfw no arin
>>72531936
new groups are objectively worse
>>72531947
not the lovelyz monolid line
Anyone remember last year during the three biggest award shows how "big 3" groups "won" album of the year, group of the year and song of the year in a perfectly rotating fashion.
Me too
>>72531931
is she forcing herself to cry?
>>72531941
you always only post cubuggo and nayeon because they are the busted ones. and chaeyoung isn't even that ugly, the haircut just really fucked her.
>>72531881
;__;
dont remind me
>>72531894
momo is such a qt
>>72531894
Nayeon and Cubuggo are so out of place it hurts.
>>72531960
word
>>72531877
had to have been there man
>>72531854
i was like this but recently i've started to get into other new girl groups that weren't SM ones
>>72531960
no it's actually the opposite. new groups have more talent and a vocally capable lineup.
>>72531894
twicegirl is showing off
>>72531894
someone make a good version of this
>>72531970
award shows are so boring, the worst part is people who get mad over them
>>72531960
>>72531995
feel free to leave any time
>>72531931
>thingken of junsu
Sorn is ____
>>72531970
That happens every year
>>72530683
don't forget this absolute banger
https://youtu.be/yfN2TOwUtQE
girlpop shouldn't have to compete with gaypop
it's just not fair
>>72532015
kpg is oldgroupshitter territory desu
>there are rumors Pledis will officially declare an AS disband till the end of the year
kpop will never be saved anymore
>>72532026
sexist pig
>>72531965
from left to right:
3/10, 2/10, 9/10
>>72531936
>>72531960
>>72531995
April
Black Stink
CLC
DIA
GFriend
Gugudan
IOI
Laboum
Lovelyz
Oh My Girl
Pledis Girls
Red Velvet
Sonamoo
WJSN
I fucking hate these groups, please stop fucking posting them already.
Post only T-ara, KARA, SNSD, 2NE1, BESTie, AOA, Dal Shabet, Apink, Hello Venus, Twice and Girl's Day.
>>72532007
Their only purpose is to stroke the CEO's ego dicks and take huge bribes.
>>72532020
a lovely young woman
>>72532033
noooooooooooooooo
nugu memepop is running kpop down
>>72532035
idiot
>>72532000
like twice right
>>72532007
the only people who get mad are the people new to kpop who dont know how irrelevant they are
>>72532005
>>72532038
>>72531902
:)
>>72531903
glad youre still here
>>72532035
word
Sleepy is 6
>>72532038
wor--
>Post... Twice
wait
>>72532038
>>72532038
just leave, no one cares about those busted old groups anymore
>>72532040
every time I see some oddly worded nugu award I get suspicious that they're actually paid off
shit like 'best new discovery award'
>tfw i started the "word" meme in late 2012
im glad its still a thing here
i never used "omo" tho, that always annoyed me
>>72532055
that's the exception to the rule. I'm talking about gugudan, dia, pristin, omg, red velvet, lovelyz, mamamoo, clc and a few more.
>>72532033
gaeun tho
>>72532085
no one cares about newgus here
sua looks like babysoul with a bigger nose and thinner face
>twitter drama
>scv manchildren
jesus, I'm in the wrong timezone
>>72532026
it's fine
gaypops eventually go to the army where they suffer for 2 years, and by the time all members finish serving the group's fame and status is ruined
with girls we get a nice comfy 10year ride without any problems(unless they spread their legs)
>>72532094
we don't say word anymore
>>72532101
"K"aeun
>>72531997
was this the jinro incident thing?
>lovelyz new song is coming out at 6pm kst
I hate the new chart system for this reason, that's 5 in the morning for me
>>72532094
omo sounds like weeb gook speak, bit pathetic
>>72531157
You know damn well number of members is different from a coed group, you strawmanning mongoloid. I can't help but point out your retardation, that's not ad hom.
Watching you shift the goalposts and hide behind your arbitrary and pedantic definition of innovation is really fucking sad. If you get the noose i promise i'll kick out the chair and end your pathetic existence
>>72532131
DAMN!
>>72532026
word
>>72532144
you know there was a coed group before... named Co Ed
>>72532112
jewsua...
>>72532115
>tfw I'm a morning euro-shitter
>decided to backtrace during burger night time posting
Never again.
>>72532038
>T-ara, KARA, SNSD, 2NE1, BESTie, AOA, Dal Shabet, Apink, Hello Venus, Twice and Girl's Day
one of these is not like the others
>>72532020
being lazy
where is produsorn episode 4
>>72531919
you still shit on twice using the same 2-3 pics more than anyone else
>>72532144
music was better when I was a kid
>>72532122
wtf you dont?
i just checked and theres 12 "words" itt
>>72532095
hahaha amazing never forget
>>72532172
weird
>>72532170
you got the wrong guy
I don't post those pics ever
>>72532058
I need Flippy to reenact that famous Bond scene where that black lady tries to suffocate Bond with her thighs in bed.
I'd also like it if Bond was played by either Eunseo or Luda....
>>72532172
hey krystal
>all new gen girlgroups are tale-
>twice
>fuck you
>>72532152
>we will never see her on the stage again
thx plebis
>>72532170
i don't think those anons are memer desu
>>72532199
she is in that new show with Sojin and Han Hyeri tho
>>72532186
>>72532206
you just proved that it is you
group of visuals
>>72532172
Word, myB were goat
>>72532214
how
>>72532168
kara is a japanese group
updated twice visual ranking:
Nayeon way down
Cub down
Jiyho up
all others no change