Can we finally agree that Wire is the ultimate post-punk band?

>>72528996
sure

>>72528996
Yes. Yes we can.

No! No we CAN'T!

Nothing is worth having after Document/Eyewitness!

(And Pink Flag was a PUNK album NOT post punk you faggot!)

>>72529046
>Pink Flag
>not post-punk
spot the retard

objectively true top 5 post punk bands
1. wire
2. television
3. joy division
4. talking heads
5. devo

>>72529110
>no wipers
Top zozzle

>>72529110
I would replace Joy Division with PiL and Devo with Pere Ubu and this list would be more accurate

>>72529110
Nah m8

1. Pere Ubu
2. Wire
3. PiL
4. Talking Heads
5. This Heat

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>>72529288
>I would replace Joy Division
no you wouldn't you contrarian

>>72529110
sorry meant
1. The Pop Group
2. Pere Ubu
3. Public Image Ltd.
4. Gang of Four
5. Television

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>>72529320
>band with a less impressive repertoire should win out because they're more famous and the frontman killed himself

No there's PiL

>>72529320
It's not that I don't like Joy Division, I just like PiL more than Joy Division. Plus Metal Box is one of my all time favorite albums

>>72529347
Swap television for this heat and you're correct

>>72529347
>The Pop Group
smug_anime_girl.rar

>>72529347
>The Pop Group
Not this meme again

>>72529110
1. Pere Ubu
2. Swans
3. Suicide
4. Joy Division
5. This Heat

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>>72529910
>Swans

>>72529925(tú)

1. Pylon
2. Wire
3. The Au Pairs
4. Young Marble Giants
5. Gang of Four

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>>72529978
>implying I just did this for (you)s and that Swans aren't pretentious hipster trash

>>72529978
Swans are shite m8

>>72530001
>young marble giants, The Au Pairs
This guy knows what's good

>>72529925
>>72530048
>>72530074
>anime user doesn't understand art
:o

>>72529110
I usually categorize Talking Heads as "new wave" but if they count, then:

Talking Heads
Wire
Joy Division
Gang of Four
Television

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>>72530211
Kek Swans are boring shite that you have to listen to 34 times to get. And the only reason you like them is to fit in on /mu/. Fucking newfag

>>72529925
>>72529910
weeb has got a point, swans are boring pretentious garbage

>>72530368
>>72530432
Nah, I loved them as soon as I listened to them.

What really happened is that you two listened to Swans, didn't like them, and now go on rants because it annoys you that so many think they're great when you think they're bad.

https://youtu.be/d4SqtL5oZ78

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>>72528996
Nope.

>>72528996
Yes!
>>72529046
Pink Flag is more pp at it's heart, than say, Real Life.

>>72530048
fuck!

>>72530469
>same thing for 4 minutes straight with awful vocals
>not hipster garbage
pick one

Y'all some plebs
The Fall
Wire
Raincoats
Gang of Four
Public Image

>>72530469
Swans are the worst /mu/ meme. Even worse than Death Grips. It's needlessly long, repetitive, overall pretentious. And to imply they're a post-punk band is an insult to post-punk.

>>72530525
>raincoats
I mean, they are not "bad", but they are kinda middle of the road

>>72530524
>pretentious hipsters
>because I dont like it despite it being critically acclaimed
Please post your top 5 bands.

>>72530552
The Slits are better. (but still don't belong on the top five list)

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/ourguy/ coming through

>>72530525
>The Fall
wew lad

>>72530588
>Swans
>critically acclaimed
Only by hipster circlejerks like Pitchfork and Scaruffi, nice try

>>72529110
>>72529309
>>72529347
>>72529910
>>72530230

>not the Fall


You guys should kill yourselves. Like right the fuck now

>>72530001
Au pairs are good but not good enough to be top 5. Just because they're lesser known doesn't mean they're better

>>72530662
>>72530588
Please post your favorite bands.
I'll wait.

>>72530552
They really take a bit to grow on you. I used to listen to a ton of post punk, and these are the bands I find I keep returning to the most, although I could easily swap out raincoats and Public Image for Flipper and Joy Division. This Heat are probably the most mindblowingly innovative, and I really like them, but I don't find myself listening very often.

does this thread like mission of burma? I really like alot of their songs

>>72530756
nah you've already got "it's shit" loaded in the chamber so i'm good
no serious critics take swans seriously

>>72530756
a lil hard to do, but alright

XTC
The Smtihs
David Bowie
Cheap Trick
Tom Waits

as for best post-punk:
1. Gang of Four
2. Pere Ubu
3. Talking Heads
4. Chameleons
5. Swell Maps

>>72530718
playing with a different sex is my favorite post-punk album
they deserve to be on there

>>72530801
>The Smtihs
gb2tumblr

>>72530524
>same thing for four minutes straight
a vapid criticism and you know it
>awful vocals
oh, if only he were a better singer!

since this is the only thing close to an actual argument in this thread, I'm gonna go ahead and say you guys lost this one. Better luck next time

>>72530791

They're a really good intro to post punk, but a lot of their songs are hit and miss for me. Vs and The Horrible Truth about Burma are probably their best releases, after their first single.

>>72530866
The Smiths are great mate. It's not long and boring like Swans. Tell me why Smiths are bad besides saying "le tumblr core".

>>72530791
only heard signals calls and marches
been meaning to relisten to that but i liked it

>>72530791
they are good but not really mind blowing, their best releases are Signals, Calls and Marches and Vs

>>72530890
yeah I really like those releases quite abit, are any of these lists yours I'll checkem out

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>took what innovators like rocket from the tombs/pere ubu, wire, mission of burma had been doing an took it the genre to its next logical step while retaining originallity
>didnt disregard the style of more nostalgic bands like orange juice and the soft boys
>virtually unknown and only ever recieved a reissue from a label that churns out rareties from the period rather than getting the proper repackaging it needs to get noticed

the urinals/100 flowers are insanely good guys, c'mon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty3mmTUHgtY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ixKr1YiEzA

>>72530801
>>72530916
I'm the original guy not >>72530866
I actually listen to the Smiths too.
But how can you say you like the Smiths while calling this pretentious hipster trash? https://youtu.be/5jpVtYQIols

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Thoughts on pic related?

>>72530965
My favorites by the Smiths are a lil more upbeat and, faster (I can't really think of a better word). Swans is just slow and desolate.

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>>72530964

and what about bands that could've been great but made shitty stylistic decisions?

>>72530211
>>72530469
But I don't watch anime and I've listened to Swans dozens of times. I even used to like Filth before I realised the entire album is just a ripoff of the same Black Flag song.

Swans are a terrible band for plebs who want to feel patrician.

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>>72531016

alternatively we could just agree that post punk should be more about a generational sentiment and not the music itself

>>72530962
I'm
>>72530525
i also strongly reccomend Flipper, Throbbing Gristle, Scratch Acid and The Birthday Party if you're into the noisier end of the genre

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>>72531064

or maybe it could be something entirely askew

>>72531007
But isn't it obvious that some people would genuinely enjoy Swans more? I'm sure there's posers who listen to Swans, but there are posers who listen to any band.
>>72531028
Okay

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>>72531125

or taking what punk was and understanding that its not about the music at all, the instruments should just express an extension of how you think and how you feel, and your strings should be as loose as you like 'em

>>72531028
which song

>>72531165
Damaged I

>>72531129
What do you mean it's obvious that more people genuinely enjoy Swans? What kind of echo chamber are you in? The Smiths are way more accessible than Swans. More normies would prefer Smiths to Swans, so therefore, more people would genuinely enjoy Smiths than Swans.

>>72531231
reread

>>72531163
Great album, american bands usually get excluded from the post punk conversation because of the time lag and Hardcore influence. Minutemen, Big Black, Butthole Surfers, and Husker Du are all fantastic post punk bands

>>72530970
Press Color is superior

>>72531118
sounds good my man, thanks

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could be a stretch to say anything

>>72531269
I reread and that didn't do shit, you may need to elaborate your poor point.

>>72531165
>>72531220
>>72531028

He's right, but I still like Filth. I think of it as more of a logical continuation of Damaged I, and hardcore in general.

In addition, if anon's favorite band is the smiths you probably don't look for the same thing as him musically speaking. He does have a point though, some Swans songs can be repetitive and boring. I seldom find myself in the mood for anything other than a handful of their albums

>>72531348
>>72531231
Reread

>>72531287
I forgot to mention Chrome, they are also great, probably should be in my top 5...

>>72530964
100 Flowers is great.
Do you know more bands like them? It's kinda hard to search for good obscure post-punk.

>>72531220
This sounds like a shitty Big Black song with vocals from a 16 year old.

>>72531443
>It's kinda hard to search for good obscure post-punk
Not him but try this youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS-XQZQxiuC7UoRPqrXyqrg/videos

>>72531405
>his point is so shit and poorly worded and he can't elaborate
Guess you lose, faggot

>>72531348
Now now, don't get testy. You think he said that it's obvious more people like Swans. Here's what he actually said: it's obvious that some people like Swans more.

>>72531443
rym is your friend. just explore lists that albums you like are on. endlessly better than browsing /mu/ for recs.

>>72531494
>"But isn't it obvious that some people would genuinely enjoy Swans more?"
If you have in fact reread this sentence multiple times and still are clueless what exactly it conveys, you may actually be retarded. And that's not a joke. If you're reading comprehension is so poor that you can't understand a sentence that simple in your native language, you may be an actual retard.
Sorry to break the news to you.

>>72531503
But is there an actual way to prove that people like Swans more, though? That's kind of a shit point of argument

>>72531443
>>72531525
also check out Simon Reynolds book Rip It Up and Start again if you haven't already. plenty of good stuff there.

oh and the [s]terrascope[/s] forums. shrine for good, obscure music. would hate to see it overrun by /mu/tants tho

>>72531570
Of course it's a shitty meaningless point, that guy is just insecure about liking Swans. I just wanted to correct you :^)

>>72531767
well thanks for correcting me I guess
>>72531443
Lots of good obscure shit: http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Wardruna/post_punk_oddities/1/

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>>72531767
>>72531808

>>72528996
k, but 154 is better and more post-punkey than pink flag

>>72531588
that book is really great, I found a lot of good stuff in there, and It made me appreciate early 80's pop way more

>>72531767
>>72531808
>>72531860

No, actually, fuck you.

1. You come in and derail the thread because you have to jerk off about how you hate a certain band I originally included in my stupid fucking list.
2. You misread a simple sentence so much someone has to literally explain it to you like the fucking child you are.
3. You call people who listen to a band pretentious and then say they're insecure because they defend their opinion on a music board.
4. You continue to misunderstand the point being that there are people that like a band's music more than another bands music and say "it can't be proven." Like holy shit, it can't be proven anyone likes one band over another.

Seriously, stop posting you fucking troglodyte, no talent miserables.

>>72531911
Nah, they went full retard with the synths.
Chairs Missing > Pink Flag > 154

>>72531860
Look it's gonna be okay, just like what you like and stop trying to defend your taste with hostile young men, you're never going to make it if you keep going like this.

>>72531957
>This projection

>>72531988
>This band is pretentious garbage
>Just like what you like lol just be urself:^)

NO TALENT MISERABLE

>>72532003
Point out the projection, boss.

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>>72532025
>getting this mad over posts on a Peruvian pottery forum

>>72532062
OH HAHA ITS FREAKING JIM FROM THE OFFICE

MICHAEL!! MICHAEL!!

OH LOOK ITS FUNNY SPICE TRADERS ANIME CHINESE FORUM JOKE AHAHHAHBAHHHAH

>>72532025
I'm not the person who said that first part.

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>>72532081
here's another reaction image for you to have an autistic fit over

>>72532081
Calm down dude

>>72532090
>>72532116
>>72532117
I'm reaching my darkest days.

>>72530048
>>72530511
who is this semen demon anyway?

swans are just the hipster catch up version of destroy all monsters

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>>72532142
Why would you say that?

>>72531968
correct wire power ranking coming through, although 154 isn't bad, just inconsistant. Map Ref. 41°N 93°W, Single Ko, The 15th, and I should have known better are among their best tracks imo.

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>>72528996
Not a chance

>>72530687
>the Fall
>good

>>72531968
>>72532792
It's obviously Chairs Missing > 154 > Pink Flag

>>72532311
shhh! Swans fans don't know about destroy all monsters. Don't make them a meme

>>72530001
>>72530160
let's have sex

>>72532869
yeah, i know, the Fall is THE GREATEST!

>>72529260
>Ctrl + F "Wipers"
>This is the only result
God damn
It's okay Anon at least you and I know how good they are

>>72530970
I like it better than Remain In Light desu

>>72528996
best guitar tone for sure

>>72532869
Anyone who think the fall are bad have only listened to this nations saving grace

>>72533458
I only listened to Hex Enduction Hour. It wasn't bad but wasn't good either, just kind of forgettable. Maybe I'd like it more if there wasn't so much other post-punk I'd rather listen to.

>>72533521
Try their slates ep if you didn't like hex

>>72533521
Perverted By Language or Live at the Witch Trials.
The whole Grotesque-Hex Enduction Hour era is fantastic, but the strange low fi production makes for a rather impenetrable introduction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjyQkt04Urc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE-6xoh1khg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wygQmJ59E4Q

>>72530001
>>72530160
>>72530847
thank you for showing me au pairs

listening rn, good shit

swell maps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZOTrDzQFt4

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There are some really good recs in this thread!
I don't know how I've never heard Wipers before now and I'm downloading 100 Flowers and Lizzy Mercier Descloux because they're good too

If you haven't heard the 2 Sacred Bones compilation albums I recommend them

https://sacredbonesrecords.bandcamp.com/album/killed-by-deathrock-vol-1
https://sacredbonesrecords.bandcamp.com/album/killed-by-deathrock-vol-2

>>72530470
I was going to post this,Thanks you

>>72535154
>>72530470

Remember to listen to their rarities too:
https://youtu.be/SHYBC8qeh-I

>>72535052
Where did you found 100 Flowers?