Patrician/plebeian confusion resolve

Welcome back fag

>>72508897
Fuck you. People throw that shit around unironically.

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>has never learned a Bach invention
>has never composed a fugue
>has never analyzed a Beethoven string quartet
>can't play keyboard plus at least one other instrument competently
>has never transcribed a jazz solo
>can't speak with authority on at least one kind of ethnic folk music
>patrician

>>72508897
Is this really you CLT?

>>72508897
>TFW newfags will not know who this is

>>72509084
>making up your own definitions for words when they already exist

neo-/mu/ everyone

>>72509128
dude the CLT days were some of the best days of /mu/... I really miss them. :(

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>>72508897
>or meticulously assembling a Top 50 chart which displays their grocery-list "eclecticism"

>>72509193
that should have at least one of Montreal album

>>72509193
>rock, pop and rap
>eclectic

And patrician is NOT about the albums or artists, its the listener.

>>72509147
Is board is ass, why do we keep coming back? It's the same shilled 250+ albums and the mods don't do shit. Memes are ass and it's all deteriorating at a faster rate than before. One could argue it was always like this and that people complained from the beginning but compared to the plebbit tier stuff it certainly it's a different shift in shit

>>72509246

from my perspective it was definitely better 2012-2013...it just had a cozier feeling during that time. it was more of a community that genuinely was on the same wavelength and shared the same music taste as well as the same sense of humor... now a lot of the stuff on here just feels fake.. like it's a whole bunch of people just playing a role and it sucks because I miss the real /mu/

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>>72509193
This. It's a little rich coming from him.

>>72509298
2008/2010 was better
2011/20112 was just shitposting general

>>72509312
>Ke$ha
>no harsh noise
go back to middle school until you discover good music

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>>72510347
>t. newfag who never received the gospel of Ke$ha
Educate yourself son.

also: 99.9% of harsh noise is vapid, emotionally shallow timbre centric garbage that takes little- no skill to make. It's barely even music. Calling it sensory stimulation would be a more accurate way to convey the level of artistry involved.

You ruined this board with this meme you fucking faggot

>>72510480
Emphasis on timbre is fine. The problem is that noise generally ignores form.

>>72509128
Every post before this post acknowledged who it was, so I don't know what purpose your post served.

>>72510581
And coherent melodic, harmonic, rhythmic, etc. elements.
It can be enjoyable to just have a nice shifting texture in the background, but it's not great art any more than a nicely painted wall is.

>>72509298
nah it sucked then too, and also before that

I tried to contribute during that timeframe but it wasn't really rewarding at all.

it could well be that it's worse now, but it wasn't good then

>>72510655
>And coherent melodic, harmonic, rhythmic, etc. elements.

So? Why are those necessary.

>It can be enjoyable to just have a nice shifting texture in the background, but it's not great art any more than a nicely painted wall is.

Listen to musique concrete.

>>72508897

This describes every discussion about Yeezus that I've ever had on this site. Getting a well developed critical assessment on the damn thing is like pulling teeth.

>>72510695
>So? Why are those necessary.
They're not necessary. It's just easier to sculpt if you're given more than just a mallet.
>Listen to musique concrete.
I have.
Listen to Bossa Nova.

>>72509228
lol

Sounds to me like you're talking from experience.

>>72511016
>It's just easier to sculpt if you're given more than just a mallet.
Actually certain things kind of end up being mutually exclusive. In those cases it's often better to focus on either one or the other. You can't simultaneously have complete freedom with both timbre and more conventional elements. It doesn't work.

>Listen to Bossa Nova.
bossa nova is fine and everything, but weren't you just denigrating things that fall into the category of "nice shifting texture in the background"? bossa nova is background music way more than, say, classical or jazz fusion, or musique concrete

>>72510347
Embarrassing.

>>72508897
Pleb/patrician dichotomy is cancer that ruined discussion not only on /mu/ but all art boards

>>72509241
>rock and pop edition

CLT was too good for this board.

>>72511117
ya know its funny I actually guessed someone was going to reply with something along these lines

>>72511209
>rock and pop edition

Yet still extremely limited.

>>72510524
>>72511209
How did pleb/patrician "ruin /mu/"?

>>72511252
How so?

In the last week I've seen people call Nirvana, RHCP and Lil Uzi Vert "patrician", the word means nothing now.

>>72511209
It's kind of a necessary counter to anti-intellectualism

I mean it isn't good to say "I make a point to visibly consume esoteric music, therefore I have something worthwhile to say" (i.e. Hampus), but it's kind of worse overall to assume that all art is supposed to be light entertainment, that one's reaction to something is a property of the work, and it it's wrong to actively challenge yourself.

>>72511288
If you think that's actually an eclectic mix you need to branch out, alot.

https://soundcloud.com/murmurnature

Patrician concepts for plebeian.
Plebeian musick for patricians.

>>72511414
Fuck off spamming outside SC/BC threads.

>>72511369
It enforces anti-intellectualism to reduce the debate to a simple black and white good/bad dichotomy.

>>72511429

why do you think it is a spam?

>>72511398
You didn't answer the question?

>>72511433
I kind of agree but I don't think any stupid board meme is going to steer you toward nuance. It's absurdly reductive by definition.

It would be nice to encourage people to be better listeners overall, but no board culture is going to do the intellectual heavy lifting for you.

Anyone who actually wants to learn something should be reading books or whatever rather than hanging out on a tard forum

>>72511258
see
>>72511433

>>72511171
>You can't simultaneously have complete freedom with both timbre and more conventional elements. It doesn't work.
I have absolutely no idea what this statement means functionally. What is "complete timbral freedom" and what makes "timbrally free" music" unable to feature coherent rhythm or dynamics or harmony?
>bossa nova is fine and everything, but weren't you just denigrating things that fall into the category of "nice shifting texture in the background"? bossa nova is background music way more than, say, classical or jazz fusion, or musique concrete
I'm sorry, I thought this was a separate conversation. I was just recommending you a random genre cause that's what you were doing.
Also: Bossa Nova, like most pop genres can be as shallow or deep as one would like.

Hampus > CLT

>>72511757
lol no

>>72511369
yet you know experience is usually a good yardstick for whether someone knows what they are talking about

>>72511757
SDF > Hampus

>>72508897
>The pleb is threatened by critical discussion

We quote Fantano all the time though.

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>all these people responding seriously

>>72511838
name dropping shit you don't really understand isn't experience

the problem is that in places like this the emphasis is on consumption rather than actual knowledge

if you want to be Hampus you can just listen to Toshi Ichiyanagi in the background until he's visible on your last.fm

If you want to be CLT, skim the wikipedia articles for Nietzsche and Adorno and save a few clever sounding quotes in a .txt file. If you're ever challenged about anything you can just copy and paste a quote or two

>>72511757
Go to bed Hampus

>>72512331
This is why posters like jtg are better

>>72512331
but don't you then have a problem of defining understanding?
music being particularly opaque in this respect

What should you read to learn about how music "works" (besides theory)? I'm genuinely curious. Hoping I can teach myself a bit over the summer.

>>72512388
oh sure, but the thing is that you need to spend time reading about shit to get the most out of it. passive listening by itself doesn't get you a lot

but if you've got a stack of interesting books to read, I dunno why you'd waste time here trying to impress retarded 16 year olds

>>72512437
music cognition?

>>72512501
well the brain is at its most active when it's not occupied with any immediate tasks