/classical/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LOFhsksAYw

One of my favs.

>making duplicate threads
Read the rules faggot.

>>72496895
>>72496895
>>72496895

>>72502548
>>72497642

>>72502395
>Last: >>72454669
Impressive. Very nice.

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>>72502496
Fuck off to your pop general faggot. Oh wait...

>>72502548
>We are going to have that grimes thread
why? you already have a grimes thread

>>72502668
>Pop music is classical music
no, it's not

>>72502658
Because /classical/ needs to discuss some classical music for once.

>>72502676
they do it everytime except for that beyonce thread

>>72502675
Yes it is. You can take your oppressive ontology of music and shove it up your bigoted ass. All music is classical music.

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>>72496895(Dead)
>>72502668 (Dead)

>>72502686
go on, post grimes

>mods only get off their asses and prune the Beyonce thread after 303 (THREE HUNDRED AND THREE!!!) shitposts

Guess the mod woke up
Thx mod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33e7POGGtLA

>as soon as someone shows clear intent of dragging one of /mu/'s waifus through the mud the mods get to work
So, mods are grimefags? That's useful to know.

>>72503006
Hello newfriend. In this general we don't usually use "bump" to bump the thread. In light of recent events, it's quite likely that no one is in the mood to post. Please let us have our cool-off period. Thank you for your understanding.

Bruhns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymDaFw1GufI

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There isn't any record of this album existing online, wtf.

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Reminder that Beethoven had a long beard for most of his life
Reminder that you literally can't picture Beethoven with a beard without a visual aid (that is currently not available on the internet)

Pic related: beethoven, beardless

The pre-previous thread had some discussion about Pelleas and Mellissande towards the end. Can someone recomend me agood recording for this opera?

Have they done a north american blu ray release for the Tales of Hoffmann movie yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2K9RdQyh98

>>72505092
Desormiere's is the reference. Astonishing singing with absolutely impeccable diction. No other recording really nails the all-important speech rhythms of the music like that one does.

I'd recommend watching a production first, though. The staging on the Stein/Boulez one is kinda weird at times, but it's the first one I saw so I'm attached to it. Haven't really seen any of the other DVD options.

>>72505206
This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYHO0fek_c4

is there anything that sounds like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpI-KeK-PQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3jAHIuulWE

>>72505228
Yeah. I believe there's a download in lnyd's mediafire.

http://www.mediafire.com/lolnoyoudont

>>72505268
Why isn't this folder posted in the OP like the others?

>>72505260
>Dark Souls OST - Nameless Song
Lyrics: Ahh aaaah aaaaaaaaah aaaaaaah ah Ahh aaaah aaaaaaaaah aaaaaaah Ahh aaaah aaaaaaaaah aaaaaaah aaaaaaaaaaa

>>72505307
Dunno. It's really old, though. Goes back to the 2010 generals.

Mediafire is a bit touchy when it comes to file sharing, more so than mega.

I usually only post the link when it's relevant.

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Post Bach

>>72505527
https://youtu.be/aNck4vhkecM?t=5s

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>>72504957
Wait, what? Source?

>>72505206
Seconding this. Pelléas et Mélisande has an amazing libretto and the function of the music in this opera is (primarily) to enhance and illuminate the text (even more so than Wagner; you risk finding it a plodding, padded work without access to the enfolding story. Experiencing it in its full dramatic glory is more than worth it.)

>>72505527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLomvSQap6o

>>72505527
Repostan unbroken link --
Concerto for violin and oboe, BWV1060: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=musEWldYRS8

>>72505331
>Goes back to the 2010 generals.
I've only been in these threads for a little under two months and I'm curious to know what is the degree of retreading the general has experienced. How much of the recent discussion was had before in a different form? (Apologies for the meta.)

>>72506935
>How much of the recent discussion was had before in a different form?
I dunno, it was pretty different back in the 2010-2012 era. A lot of tripfags. There was a bit more modern music discussion, I guess? It was certainly more active and 'focused' back in those days, but then again so was /mu/ as a whole -- the board has really slowed down in recent years.

If you're really curious go back to the 2012 threads, since that was when the /classical/ threads were at their most active.

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I cannot fucking find this collection of Schnittke movie scores in good quality online. I just want his compositions for the film Agony. Does anyone know a source?

My favorite kind of classical is ballets, especially Shostakovich's ballets. Does that make me a little Nancy boy, and should I start taking HRT?

>>72507117
This has 6 tracks, can't find the full score.
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1870890

>>72507350
This has parts of what I'm looking for, thanks.

>>72507117
>Schnittke
I recommend listening to a better composer.

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>>72507324
No Russian ballet is pretty badass, especially soviet. Unless you dream of being the swan in swan lake, how do you look in tights?

>>72507412
Petzold fags begone

Berg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cVdCABgCOY

>>72507584
Berg?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd0dMs0MTg8

>>72507584
>>72507647
Ah, Berg, one of the antibodies against serialism. I wish more serialists had imitated his syncretic approach. Contained / restrained / quarantined atonalism can be extremely effective / expressive.

How do you like Wozzeck?

>>72508083
>How do you like Wozzeck?
one of the best libretto for the medium and probably the most immediately engaging opera

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Does anyone here have any idea why this recording is at the top of RYM's classical chart for this year? Other than the cover art and the obscurity

>>72508083
>>72508463
I'm asking since it's actually one of my favourite 20th century operas. The creepy, off-kilter, atonal digressions in the music are such an amazing fit for the narrative. I also like the band parts a lot, because windfaggotry, lol. Immediately engaging like you say. Visceral.
It's one of the reasons why I can appreciate Schönberg on some level.

I heartily recommend it. Even the /pol/ faggots here would like it, I imagine. (The 1965 Böhm recording is good. Make sure you get your hands on the libretto if you don't know German.)

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why is he so perfect bros?

>>72508847
Who cares?

>>72509073
Because while the recordings say otherwise, I want to know who the fuck this pianist is and why they get these autists inflating their ratings for him.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEb8dJQChr0

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>>72508982
>Böhm
>not Kegel or Boulez
Wozzeck really is the best opera of the 20th century, and really one of the best operas ever penned tbqh.
>>72509097
You could read reviews. It's RYM though so again, who cares? That place sucks.

>>72509164
>You could read reviews.
There are none aside from my own blurb shitting on it.
>That place sucks.
Yeah but classical forums outside of /classical/ are worse to use.

>>72508982
Have you listened to this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btlxxfXcXR0

>>72509194
Talk Classical is literally a subreddit.

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>>72505206
>>72505656
I still need to listen to it again, especially the Desormiere recording

Its one of the best operas of the 20th century with Janacek's From the House of the Dead rivaling it in drama and libretto

>>72509275
No, but I've watched, listened to and read a few essays on Schönberg, dodecaphony and serialism in general. Is that radio documentary about Schönberg as a person or him as a composer and his music. (Not really interested if it's the former.)

>>72509042
Because that 8th and Op. 5 no 8 senpai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLVv-YOZQx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pc0i5HO9j4

>>72509434
>about Schönberg as a person or him as a composer and his music
All three, but, yeah, it has a lot of personal stuff. Some interesting anecdotes about Webern and Berg, though.

>>72509296
TalkClassical gives me PTSD from trying to use Gamefaqs and SA forums.

>>72509498
Is it just me, or did Webern have a modernist as fuck death?

>>72509643
I'm not sure what you mean by "modernist death," but he sure died in a shitty manner

>>72509380
That Désormière recording is what finally convinced me to ditch my audiophile autism and dabble into older recordings. I was always partial to the 1964 Ansermet stereo recording before, but the diction and balance between the singers and the orchestra in Désormière's is better.

>>72509498
I'll give it a listen / skip through it then.

>>72509710
My audiophile autism led me to learn some audio editing to stich up older recordings.

I don't think I'm too bad at it myself, either.

>>72509699
I mean that among the famous composers there are a ton of really dramatic, poignant deaths. Mozart dying while writing the requiem, Clara writing down Schumann's last words in the asylum, Haydn undergoing his final collapse while playing his piano, Sibelius with that "the birds of my youth" shit, ect.

And then Webern gets shot while having a smoke by an allied soldier in a misunderstanding.

I thought it really encapsulated the feelings that the modernist movement expressed regarding the war.

>>72509814
Whatever the case, it's a shame regardless

I wonder if the BBC will ever release all of his recordings that he did. Perhaps they're long gone and/or destroyed at this point. There's only that absolutely wild Berg VC recording with him conducting.

>>72509875
I'd like to think they've safely preserved them, but that begs the question of what the hold up is.

>>72509962
It's the same case with Furtwangler's WW2 stereo recordings. There's just no information about them. Even a "Oh, sorry, but they're irreparably damaged" would be better than the silence regarding them.

>>72505260
https://youtu.be/TEleUc-_MoI?t=215
Maxmimum aaaahh ahhhhhh ahhhhh haaaaaaa

just for you

>Up to the fall of 1944, according to Helmut Krueger, about 250 stereo recordings had been made. Among these were the opera Romeo and Juliet, Margaret, Tosca, Tannhauser and the Mastersingers, each in Bayreuth in 1943 under Hermann Abendroth and 1944 under Wilhelm Furtwängler. As the Allied air raids on Berlin intensified in late 1944, the valued equipment and tapes were moved to the Central Laboratory of the Reichsrundfunkgesellschaft (RRG) in Wartheland (eastern Poland) for safe storage. Hans Joachim von Braunmuehl, the future head of the SWF, organized music evenings for the doctors at a nearby military hospital there, using the RRG tape recordings and equipment for entertainment (!). At this point, with the rising chaos of the end of the war, further tracing of the RRG stereo tapes and the equipment is impossible.

I bet some rich fuck has them in a vault somewhere

What are the best recordings of music written for Theorbo? The instrument is so damn cool but I don't know anything about its repertoire.

>>72510196
But it's just a glorified lute with extended range...? A gimmicky / situational instrument for when you don't have enough performers available I imagine. But what do I know, I've only seen it used as a continuo instrument.
Now, where's Baroque-kun when you need him?

What's the appeal of Richard Strauss guys? What kind of music do his fans prefer?

>>72510922
lots of chromaticism

>>72510133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY7lvuVjjX4

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Really, really made me think.

>>72511334
Couldn't read past the first paragraph. The cringe per sentence ratio is above my tolerance levels. Why are you posting this here?

>>72510922
Sculpting in sound.

Posting rare Kleiber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UliFpkJyRAM

>>72511575
is he having a heart attack?

>>72511633
An assisted heart attack thanks to bad playing

>>72511463
The other two paragraphs are interesting.

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>>72511750
I decide to read further and the 2nd line reads
>I have no other way of explaining the absolutely monumental boredom that [Bruckner's] symphonies embody.
Why are you trolling me anon? I don't need to read faint praise for Bruckner written by a guy with the attention span of a squirrel on crack.

Really, really rustled my jimmies.

>>72511934
>>72511334
>>72511750

And he's not right (as in, he's not even wrong) at all. He's rhyming off non-technical descriptions of Bruckner's music in idiotic ways, only to contradict himself a couple sentences later.
>classical motivic development is absent in Bruckner's symphony
>classical motivic development is present in Bruckner's symphony
Which is it? (The latter of course.)
Fuck me, why did I read that when the warning sign were so obvious from the start.

You're an asshole anon.

Anyone here listen to brass bands?

you're probably not aware but we're currently in the second golden age for the medium, both in terms of composition and musicianship

here is arguably the best band in the world right now playing a great new work if anyone's interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRAIWVRaTU4

>>72512213
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu3uZ4Yurvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42cVbfcDKag

>>72506935
There were shitposting trips and then trips that actually knew what they were talking about. However even the shitposting trips didn't just shitpost aimlessly, but rather tailored it to the /classical/ thread culture. It was a time filled with firetrucks, elliot carter and dandies

>>72510689
>gimmicky
It is a really great continuo instrument.

>>72512213
Why is it a golden age of brass band music now?

>>72504387
For the best, it's shit

>>72512636
the overall standard of playing in the brass band is better than it has ever been in hundreds of years. The current best bands (Cory, Eikanger, Valaisia, Black Dyke) are arguably the best we've ever heard in this genre.

pretty much every "championship" level brass band in the world (and there are hundreds of these) has at least a handful of virtuosic players - which is especially amazing when you consider that most of these are technically amateurs. Also the youth involvement is as promising as it has been for decades.

In terms of the music, the genre is in a very exciting and adventurous place. The sort of compositions we have heard in the past five years or so are a totally unique sound and have been pushing the limits of the instruments

>>72506935
I started here in 2013, when most of the trips were still around, and honestly these threads have been much higher quality than those past ones.
Miss the Carter though.

>>72512933
>honestly these threads have been much higher quality than those past ones
>no one as funny as a drunk CLT or informative as any of the old-old tripfags
>Baroque-anime memers
>petzold
"no"

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>>72505656
>Wait, what? Source?

Solomon's biography.

>tfw looking back fondly to the heyday of firetruck posting
>tfw no more dandyposting

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>>72512213
>>72512290
My family!

Symphony #6, Persichetti --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjocQ4SQuVQ
Suite Française, Poulenc --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAItvLXPsA
Concerto for Piano and Wind Instruments, Stravinsky --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyRX_bq3Tds

>>72510689
I just really like the tone of those bass strings a lot

>I ask about discussion recycling and the replies digress into nostalgia about a bygone era of shitposting
God I love imageboards, even when I'm out of the loop.

>>72513099
Chapter? Page? Paragraph? (Im not going to get trolled into reading a whole book only to find nothing on Beethoven's mane in it.)

>>72513085
I see a lot less CLT copypastas and much more free discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmqhLIxNnp0

I enjoy Classical music.

>he listens to recordings of Bach's dramatic works with chamber ensembles

why would you do this

>>72514446
transparency

less soup

even Klemperer reduced the orchestra size a decent amount when he conducted Bach, so it's not even strictly a HIP thing

>>72514484
I mean I don't think it should be full Richter-size, but something like Rene Jacobs does is very stylistically appropriate while still giving the necessary grandness

>>72514549
i think it can be done well, but it doesn't necessarily [have] to be as small, as, say, a Butt recording or something.

but i'm kind of a fan of reductions in general, honestly. i love listening to chamber arrangements of romantic works and so on.

>>72514484
>soup
What's this supposed to mean? Sound clustering? Overtones?

>>72514733
good question

i just used that word because it sounded appropriate, but i suppose any reasonable interpretation behind the meaning would probably make it redundant with the "transparency" point

Speaking of reductions, do you guys like Liszt's arrangements of Beethoven's symphonies?

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>>72514926
Love them, particularly Katsaris' recording. Brahms' own piano versions of his symphonies are quite interesting too.

>>72512816
>The sort of compositions we have heard in the past five years or so are a totally unique sound and have been pushing the limits of the instruments
Can't agree. It's the same old extended techniques. The "pushing the limits" meme is past its sell-by date.

>>72512816
>the overall standard of playing in the brass band is better than it has ever been in hundreds of years.
And how do you even know this? Did someone invent a time-travel machine while I was living under a rock?

(Can you come up with some other argument besides repeating "best time ever" with different words?)

>>72515195
There's quite a few recordings of brass band music even older than 100 years.

Where can I watch a good faithful version of tannhauser, the only ones I find seem to be remakes where the characters use today clothing, help please :(

>>72515356
Levine's DVDs always have traditional stagings iirc

Levine is pretty slow, though.

>>72515397
Thanks anon

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>>72515254
Ughh... be that as it may -- centuries? Nice hyperbole. And the piece you posted is the most derivative, poptimistic tripe imaginable. I guess you're a member of the Everything is Awesome Club?
I was too quick to embrace a fellow winds enthusiast. You're not my family.

>>72515658
Guess as hard as you like I don't even like brass band music much I was just taking the opportunity to point out you were an idiot.

>>72515889
Ah, so unlike that other anon who's just exaggerating out of enthusiasm you have no idea what you're talking about.

>google recording title, looking for reviews
>third result is pippo's blog

This nigga gonna have his site nuked any day now

>>72517258
google has liked pippo for years now

>>72514800
reiterative

>>72517258
That's the old site and all the links are dead.

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Haven't been on /classical/ in quite some time. Glad to see it's still god awful.

>>72517923
/mu/ was a mistake desu

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwwKu3q9zh0

>>72517923
Pic related

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a7HfUH-Mb8

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>>72518067
>Not a meme recording of Art of the Fugue
T-th-thank god...

something like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEFIZh_Zscc

>>72518359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4q_hldxL54

1955: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObQCKpwzylE
1981: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clDtiewclmg

Why did Glenn Gould say he found much of it "just too fast for comfort", and lamented the 25th variation, which sounded "like a Chopin nocturne"—to Gould, an undesirable quality. He continued, "I can no longer recognize the person who did that. To me today that piece has intensity without any sort of false glamour. Not a pianistic or instrumental intensity, a spiritual intensity."?

But first of all the he played it faster in the 1981 edition, and second of all what does he mean by a spiritual intensity in this nocturne sounding piece? I'm a huge fan of Bach but this piece really does just sound like a Chopin nocturne.

Guys I think I've found the next Rachmaninoff https://youtu.be/Zf0_Jl_aM38?t=2s

>>72518663
I forgot to add that he said this regarding his 1955 edition

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>>72510196
Pieces mainly featuring theobos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5AIpJC5LcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTa8WoOVRbw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iJd9y8ZXrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL2E3iqeWOo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5K8W2jd_hE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVwqZ-HkpqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4sATtIOLSM
Pieces with prominent theorbo continuo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPm34Vg5C2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJGHY7x2ric
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naE2kjFvEiA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvL_lMB7DCk
>>72510689
t. retard.

>>72518737
I can barely hear the piano.

can someone recommend a good ear training audiobook/webbook for seriose studying of classical music

>>72518737
I expected it to be totally terrible but it's not THAT bad. He has a pretty good sense of melody, even though it's kinda ripping off Rach 2.

now THIS is kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSYVybCi0Mo

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>>72519036
>t. retard.
How cute! Your baroquefaggotry proved useful for once though, as expected. Thank you for the links senpai.

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>>72520563
Take this link and never reply to me again, cretin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeUcGD4rRRc

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>>72520722
Take this link in return --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUpTxGBX-KI&t=59s

/I replied,
whatchagonnado'abourit faggot?

>>72515658
>>72515993
I was basing my assertion that "the standard is better than it's ever been", partially on recordings like that other anon said, but mostly on the increasing difficulty of " test pieces"

As you may or may not know there are a number of national and international contests throughout the year for brass bands. It is an objective fact that in order to differentiate between the top bands, harder and harder pieces have had to have been written.

It is not unusual nowadays for a piece that was considered the highest standard 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago to now be considered suitable for the lower sections

I don't know if you play at all, but yes, from a technical standpoint the standard of playing is better than ever. Both on average and possibly amongst the most esteemed individuals as well

I take your point that it's hard to know for sure if we're living in a better time but I can only say that based on surviving pieces we are

>>72521444
Now that's a proper reply; thank you. I actually agree with you that the musicianship / technical prowess of contemporary performers is very high. It's a natural consequence of a deep talent pool; in absolute numbers there are a lot more aspiring musicians now then in the 1950s. I disagree with you that at the very top the ceiling is above and beyond what it was a couple decades ago (I don't know any contemporary oboist that can trash Heinz Holliger, for example). And I very strongly disagree with you on the originality and complexity of recent compositions (with which I am more familiar; it's what I'm primarily interested in -- I don't follow the competition scene). In terms of playing techniques the wall was reached decades ago (and there's only so many sounds you can get out of an acoustic instrument). Same with coordination, texture and overall orchestral dynamics. I'm not seeing anything now that hasn't been tried by some spectralist composer or other before. I think this also factors into the level of musicianship of the average professional contemporary performer -- the trial and error phase is over.

(I play reeds for my own pleasure; a complete amateur and autodidact.)

>>72521780
make no mistake, I am talking solely about brass instruments, and not winds as a whole

I will not pretend I know anything about woodwind, but I am quite knowledgeable on brass.

>In terms of playing techniques the wall was reached decades ago (and there's only so many sounds you can get out of an acoustic instrument

Again, I have to disagree. Of course, the "core" sound of the instrument will not change, but we have seen some textural innovations over the past few years.

For instance, a technique that was unheard of even twenty yeas ago but I have seen a lot recently is for the whole band to use "practice" mutes during particularly quite moments. This dampens the sound to the point where you can hear a pin drop in the hall. The effect is quite stunning, especially if you hear it live - a very distant and ethereal sound - and quite impossible to achieve using just the instrument.

this recording is not great but it illustrates the effect I am talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYg6PYo9W-Q

>>72521925
I think we have extremely divergent ideas about what constitutes as a playing technique innovation.

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Post your Top 1 recording of all time

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>>72522269
the piece that gives speakers everywhere panic attacks

>>72522177
>>72521925
Repostan a more polite version of the post I deleted (not trying to be an asshole here) --
Mutes have been used for dynamic and textural effect for 200+ years. By the mid 20th century, there were already dozens of relatively standardised muting contraptions, and a whole lot more non-standard ways of preparing instruments (you should know this).
Using whisper mutes in the performance of a rearrangement of a century old work is hardly what I would call an example of "innovation". But then again, I'm not a member of the Everything is Awesome Club.

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>>72522269
>Fugues
>(mostly) non vib Baroque strings
>Harpsichord
I've yet to find something to top it. Schiff's WTC I and II come close though.

Favorite fugue from the WTCs?

>>72522773
>Schiff's WTC I and II come close though.
always a contender

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Microtonal Piano concerto
https://vimeo.com/200105435

>>72502395
How much has the archive grown in the past couple months? It's been a while since I downloaded the whole thing and I was thinking of redownloading it. It would be cool if the album covers were a little better tagged btw.

>>72522715
>Mutes have been used for dynamic and textural effect for 200+ years

of course. I'm not an idiot. But if you had any understanding of the instrument then you would know that the extent to which they are used in that video and countless performances I have seen this year is TOTALLY a new sound for the brass band. Seriously, I defy you to find a recording of similar use from more than a few years ago.

That is one new technique. Others from recent times are the new use of glissando and quarter notes on trombone, multiphonics on tuba and euphonium. There are also experiments in electronic distortion that have been integrated into some new works. I am sure we haven't heard everything yet.

>But then again, I'm not a member of the Everything is Awesome Club.

I have no idea what point you are making here

>>72505206
>>72505656
Listened to the Desormiere last night. Just wow. Incredible work, and an incredible recording. Frankly I've never heard such clear singing like that before

>>72522870
>Others from recent times are the new use of glissando and quarter notes on trombone, multiphonics on tuba and euphonium.
If by recent you mean decades old (all the way back to the 1970s) then I agree.

>what point you are making
That you're undiscriminating.

Reckon I'm going to sit in a darkened room and listen to all of Mahler's symphonies today. I used to be fairly ambivalent towards his music, but I've just got a craving for it right now. Odd, but I'm going to go with it.

>>72523044
>Reckon I'm going to sit in a darkened room and listen to all of Mahler's symphonies today

frankly this should be compulsory

>>72523044
>I used to be fairly ambivalent towards his music
I wasn't just ambivalent, I used to hate his music. Though one day it clicked with me really strongly. I think I heard the last movement of Das Lied on the radio and it very nearly moved me to tears (probably only 'nearly' because I was driving)

I'm still not completely convinced by some of his works, but I've grown to be more open minded about him.

Reading a book about Pound and music which includes reviews from his time as a classical critic. There's some gold in there, I think I'll have to properly approach his poems with his background in music in mind

>>72523051
Seems counterproductive considering how open and expansive his works are. Wandering in an alpine meadow listening to the cowbells or sitting on a beach ogling underage boys is probably more fitting.

>>72523095
>There's some gold in there

examples?

>>72523099
>or sitting on a beach ogling underage boys is probably more fitting.
Doesn't /classical/ do this anyway?

>>72523099
I'm supposed to be writing an essay on Death in Venice actually, but really not in the mood.

>>72523101
(in response to a letter to the newpaper complaining that Pound [writing under a pseudonym as a critic] is far too harsh a critic and is too rude)

>What I deplore, and what Mr. Schiff apparently cannot understand anyone's deploring, is that people should labour to please an imbecile public which never does and never can know its own mind, instead of spending an equivalent effort trying to produce excellent art, to which the more intelligent members of the public are always, in the end, gathered.

Other good barbs include:
>In affairs of tempo the beat is a knife-edge and not the surface of a rolling-pin. Vigliani and his three friends have discovered this, but a great many musicians have not.
>The singing of Miss Lett is a sort of combination of "Deutschland uber Alles" and Sunday service in a thoroughly Presbyterian village. Her attack on the Italian language was, without qualification, distressing.

[on the Kreutzer sonata]
>It is pre-Wagnerian, pre-Tannhauser; and then it is second-clas Tannhauser; and then it is simply all the orchestral overtures that one has since heard in all theatres. It is extraordinary that the whole of a century's, to me, at least, wrong, subsidence in music should be outlined in a single sonata. It is undeniable that Beethoven was greatly to be pitied for the deafness that come on him in later life. He was without doubt a great figure, or all of a half century's musicians would never have set that deafness on a pedestal and imbibed it and revelled in it. He was probably the Paschal lamb and the symbol of the suffering or decadence of the European ear, and the general triumph of loudness.

>>72523216

>He accused Liszt of being "stupid... he would try to make a watch go by beating it with a potato-masher." He chided readers not to be "scared at the great name of Beethoven" and pronounced the Moonlight Sonata "a bore." A concert of Elgar's music is also dismissed with whimsy: "...several cuckoos have laid their eggs in Mr. Elgar's nest and he has patiently hatched them all."

>>72523042
>all the way back to the 1970s
Older than that really. But the techniques were used very sparingly before WWII.

Solo tuba piece from the 1960s -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFG-IeEAxxY
(a lot of multiphonics starting one minute and a half into it)

happy international workers day /mu/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F31YwZZGlW4

>>72523216
It's the BTFO school of criticism. It doesn't matter really what is said so long as there's an insulting soundbite at the end. I'd take actual criticism and analysis over Pound self-fellating his ego to make celebrity gossip fans chuckle.

>>72523330
>not enjoying elevated forms of shitposting
fag

>>72523330
There is a fair bit of that too, I'm just isolating the snark for the benefit of /classical/

>>72523255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NjssV8UuVA

>that quotation of a bit of Wotan's farewell in Mahler 2
Too similar to be coincidence. Neat, never noticed that before

How much have the mega links grown in the past couple months? I'd like to know if I should consider redownloading them.

>>72509275
>"...everyone in France is using the twelve-tone technique."
>Schönberg: "I only hope they use it to make music"
Such a tragic character.

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>>72522269

>>72522773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg89iVXuQk4

Those Guiomar Novaes recordings of chopin's nocturns in the mega links are brilliant. She really nailed the intonation and tempo. It somehow manages to be technically impressive without being gaudy, and yet somehow still captures the emotion of the piece.

>>72523547
You can sort by date.

>>72523831
Yeah, you can tell that, despite some of the more aggressive things he said in his youth, he probably didn't enjoy the way serialism was heading. Especially in the last 15 years of his life.

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>>72522269

>>72524095
It's a good-un. Nice recording too.

>>72522269
>>72523044
>>72523051
>>72523091
>>72523534
Ok Mahler fans, what do you think about this recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf00l3cG3mw ?

>>72525190
that was the mahler 2 I was listening to actually. Soprano feels a little bit light for the job, but does ok.

>>72525190
Scherchen's always interesting in Mahler. Well, he's interesting in everything, really.

His (sometimes) extreme rubato is pretty effective at laying out effective contrasts and I find it to be particularly expressive in that recording. The overall timings are quite long overall, but thanks to his overall sense of rhythm, it doesn't 'feel' as slow. I suppose his natural contrast is someone like Klemperer, who is steady as a rock. Good soloists. Very good chorus. The playing of the VSOO (speculated by some to be the VP, btw) could be a bit better in some areas, but it isn't such a big deal. The only big shame is that Scherchen didn't opt for the classic orchestral seating with the divided violins, but oh well.

>>72525384
>The overall timings are quite long overall
Yeah, just pretend that sentence was written appropriately.

>>72524588
This.

>>72522269
>>72522627
>>72522773
>>72524065
>>72524588
>>72526062

Why did you pick these?

where should I start with Giacinto Scelsi?

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>>72526578
Nowhere. He's a meme.

>>72526578
Aion, Coelocanth, Elegia, Pywll, Quattro pezzi, Hymnos, Uaxuctum, Mantos, Khoom

>pippo uploading all these Andante records
Based Thang

>>72527238
>listening to glorified drone music

Why is classical music so sexist???

http://www.npr.org/sections/deceptivecadence/2017/05/01/525930036/dont-hire-me-hire-a-female-composer-instead

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Post Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uePtpQsFw5I

>>72527622
Not all his music is drone-y. Uaxuctum is more similar to Ligeti's choral works than drone music. Not really worth listening to just the same though, for that very reason (unless you're really into Ligeti and are starved for similar music). Anything you might like in Scelsi's music is done better by someone else.

>>72528090
what did they mean by this

>>72528136
i bet you made that post fag

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Hey guys do you agree Scot Ross is the most based harpsichordist alongside Rosalyn Tureck?

>>72528136
The are blind by the fact that: a) less music is composed by women, and b) people don't want to listen to a composer just because she happens to have a vagina. There isn't an actual plot to stop women from being published or played, those people are just looking for excuses and scape goats.

>>72528321
to the fact*

>>72528314
Tureck was a terrible harpsichordist, good pianist though. Tend to prefer Hantaï.

>>72528136
>If we are to survive, we need to start by reversing policies that silence the voices of half of humanity.

Jesus Christ.

Duphly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH685dZQR1o

>>72527138
>a meme
what?

>>72509042
preludes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq9evPZaTbc

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>>72529065
Maybe I'm wrong but it is my impression that he is a thing with people who project all sorts of 'spiritualism' into his music (Scelsi converted to Buddhism if I'm not mistaken) and anti-European postmodernists who masturbate to the supposed "non-european" quality of his music (I say supposed because just as with other* european composers that looked for inspiration in other musical traditions, the 'exotic' elements in Scelsi's music are thoroughly europeanised / subsumed within the context of European art music).
So a meme in the sense that Scelsi's notoriety has more to do with stuff that is extraneous to his music than his music per se.

(*) Japanese Suite, Holst --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xpZs0j2RK8

etc.

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>>72528314
>>72528371
Some of my favorites are
>Scott Ross
>Pierre Hantai
>Skip Sempe
>Andrea Marcon
>Ton Koopman
Tureck is a wreck.

>>72530498
>no Andreas Staier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWsJib-Nq9s

>>72530424
>Maybe I'm wrong
Yes I would say you are entirely wrong and your bizarre analysis says more about your failure to engage with the music and your need to build a self-deceiving theoretical analysis to try and justify your failure.

Before you ask, no i'm not going to explain to you why he is not a meme, that's just stupid.

>>72530828
>no i'm not going to explain to you why he is not a meme
>>>/tumblr/

>>72527732
Classical music isn't sexist per se, but the bulk of its repertoire was made in a time where only men where thought capable of producing "serious" art.
This is the main reason for the huge gap between men and women composers in classical music, and it's an awful shame, since this means that we've missed out on a lot of great composers.

The article is a bit exaggerated, since it uses the percentage of performed works by female composers in the 2014-15 season of all performed works in the season. For this you have to bear in mind that only 11% of performed works were by living composers. Out of all performed works by living composers, 15% were made by women, which is ofc still way too little, but it's much more than 1%.


All forms of high art in the west are sexist, because their most popular works come from a time where female creativity wasn't allowed, luckily it's gotten better today, though we still have a long way to go...

>>72530828
If I am indeed wrong, I am none the wiser after your reply.

>engage with the music
In what sense?

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>>72530651
>Staier
What's with the rush mate?

>>72531166
>15% were made by women, which is ofc still way too little
The metric being? We have no reason to believe that the ratio of women composers would be 50% in a perfectly "gender-neutral" society. Homo sapiens sapiens is a sexually dimorphic species.

>>72513508
oh shut up child, even if he gives you the specific passage you wouldn't make the effort check his fact, you're just being difficult

can some people recomend classical music albums for someone who is new to the genre, likes prog rock and idm, and possibly will listen to said albums during a dxm trip?

>>72531654
What I could find in Maynard Solomon's Beethoven (page 333) was that he was often unkempt, not that he used to sport a long beard for most of his life.

>>72532080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pwb4IaMBUk

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>>72502395
Does anybody here play piano like those skilled guys do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rifGxToeZBQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIaTXbHLsxY

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Find me a worse (((composer))) than this man


protip: you cannot

>>72534948
enauidi

>>72534982
ENNUIdi is pretty bad but he's never made a cacophony this offensive to the ears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN3tkMIOMx0

>>72534948
Werner Henze.

>>72535055
Can you get more cheesy with that brass section?

>>72535055
This sounds like it can be a Modest Mouse song in a more moody tempo, why is it that composers can only write shitty serial music or orchestral pop music?

Where are the Debussy's, Bach's and Beethoven's that lead and show us the way?

>>72523044
that sounds dangerous friend

What's your favorite Beethoven early piano sonata?

Hello /classical/, newfag of classical music here. Just wanted to ask, is it really a good idea to listen to the whole Ring of the Nibelung at once? Or is it better to listen to one at the time?

>>72535868
It only counts if you listen to it all at once, without blinking, otherwise fuck off

>>72535868
One opera at a time, it's 16+ hours of music.

>>72535900
It was 14 hours if I remember well (still really long though). Can every part of it stand on its own then?

>>72535941
Yes, but you still have to listen to everything.

>>72535941
>Can every part of it stand on its own then?
No

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>>72535764
>Debussy

The beginning of the end desu

>>72535971
I will.
>>72535980
Explain, is it just because of the story or there's something else?

>>72536033
Story and the music.

>>72536082
>music
Does it feel like it didn't actually end until the last drama? Something like that?

>>72535055
Sounds like Devo/Mark Mothersbaugh to me

>>72536135
Motifs.

What's so great about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYpBHc8px_U

>>72534948
Does Robert W Smith count or are we not counting band composers

How should I practice/learn piano? I've been thinking that maybe learning preludes could be a good way but I'm a little lost, help please

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cssj9RyT7ow

>>72512600
That was in late 2013, when Tallis and Ame first came on

>>72536553
I see, thanks.

>>72536599
It was written in a concentration camp

>>72536599
the jesus movement with the cello and piano is really really pretty

Any books on the history of classical music?

>There are many composers who are very popular whose music is, for me, somewhere on the spectrum from boring to profoundly unpleasant. The list of "I'll probably never do a video of ..." composers includes (but is not limited to) these well-known composers: Albinoni, Bellini, Berlioz, Boccherini, Borodin, Bruch, Bruckner, Corelli, Dvorak, Delius, Elgar, Glazunov, Honegger, Mahler, Martinu, Massenet, Messiaen, Mussorgsky, Puccini, Rachmaninoff (though I have done a video of an arrangement he did of a piece by Bach), Rossini, Sibelius, Verdi, Tchaikovsky, and Wagner.

Wow, what a cunt.

>>72539250
literally who?

>>72539250
Correct on everything except Wagner

>>72539341
https://www.youtube.com/user/smalin

>>72503111
>In light of recent events
what events?

>>72539674
the last thread was beyonce shitposting general

>>72539250
his videos aren't even particularly cool and his selection, for a channel with over 600 uploads, is mediocre at best. it's not bad by any stretch but he really doesn't do much that's *out there* or likely to be unfamiliar to his 150k+ subs.

he also claims that Debussy's 'Images' is too difficult for him to grasp so he refuses to make a video of anything from the set

does anyone actually give a shit about seeing color coded visualizations of music? I thought it was kinda pretty looking the first time I saw one of his uploads but I would 100% rather just have a video with the score and let myself read/listen to EVERYTHING that's occurring musically instead of just the relations between the notes.

>>72539592
he's actually wrong on everything except Wagner if you're familiar with his video format, christ that would be boring to watch

>>72539730
It's good if you're just starting out with classical music and don't know how to read music/are slow with reading music

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>>72539636
>he got a HIP performance for Beethoven's ninth

>>72539250
>corelli
>profoundly unpleasant

anger.jpg

>>72534948
his memorial is a great fucking piece and i won't let any of you bully me into thinking otherwise

Can any classicalbros help me find some jazz like this? All I know is Bill Evans. I've become obsessed with this sound and need more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Y6i6meB1I

>>72539900
try the jazz thread

>>72539947
There's not one and even if there was I doubt it would sustain itself right now. /mu/ is 30% bad memes, 30% the same thirty albums we've been talking about for years, 15% annoying azn shit, 15% underage hip-hop kiddies and 10% people with actual taste.

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can you imagine being the unlucky bastard with this hairline at 29?

There's literally no other noteworthy person this unfortunate.

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>>72539250
>>72539984
Try Keith Jarrett --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1xO8wq-wwM
(I don't listen to a lot of jazz though; ask the folks in the /jazz/ general when it comes back up. There only isn't a thread up right now.)

>>72536599
It's a meme. Stuff like "Poèmes pour Mi" is where Messiaen is actually beautiful --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KEluTnSi4

Jazz is fucking awful and if you like it get out of this general

>>72540758
No u

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>>72541130
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This is your base motif /classical/ (rhythmic structure is up to you). Show me what you got.

>>72540141
He had those blazing eyes to make up for it, at least.

>>72541436
Honestly, if he shaved or cut his hair shorter and lost some weight he'd look fine.

>>72541483
I believe he lost a lot of weight later on thanks to copious amounts of tennis and ping pong.

>>72541517
yeah he really grew into his look later on

>>72541188
Is it time to write a fugue on petzold's name?

>>72541600
>poly
>write a fugue
"petzold"

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>>72541758
There's bound to be a better way to convert 26 letter alphabet to musical notes, but I just made something up
https://clyp.it/05om2myp

Langgaard?

petzold

>>72541600
Yes I agree, some composer should definitely do this.

Rott's String quartet is pretty good

>>72539900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LovBexXTDvA

>>72541188
>>72541786

Impressive. Very nice.

>>72536005
What?

>>72539730
pretty sure its just appealing for people who don't want to learn to read sheet music

>>72534006
>>72539730
>>72544273
I got absolutely nothing from it

it would maybe be slightly interesting if each instrument/part was a fixed colour and pitch was represented solely by position on the y axis

as it is it's just a mess

>>72544347
It's like a laser light show for classical music, not something informative. He experiments with different visuals and it's often messy but sometimes it's cool.

The last two Mozart symphonies are actually and unironically great.

>>72545346
Nope. They are better than his other symphonies though.

>>72545396
>rated
>Mozart

>>72545717
mozzarella is disgusting glad you got a trip so I can never see your stupid meme again

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>>72545396
>mfw plebs don't realize 38 is Mozart's best symphony
>mfw plebs underrate Mozart's symphonies

>>72545983
put your trip back on faggot

>>72546034
You first, poly.

>all this Mozart underrating

>>72546072
>>72545983
>>72545717
F.O.R.C.E.D.M.E.M.E.

>>72546232
Hating Mozart is the worst meme to ever be, you are correct.

Post Mozart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SONlDLgx0Gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aUL7GuUFfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R8TK0gxPxY

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>>72546267
>le boi genious

>>72545346
>>72545396
>>72545717
>>72545783
>>72545983
>>72546034
>>72546061
>>72546072
>>72546232
>>72546267
>>72546334
samefag

>>72539250
>Corelli
wtf Corelli is great

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>>72546345
Caught me with my pants down.
How did you know?

>>72546345
>>72546669
nice photoshop samefag

desu I still can't decide if Mozart or Bach is better

help me decide without any opera memes

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>>72546345
I had no idea my comment would light up the thread.

>>72546725
Bach has the cantatas. Ergo, Bach wins.

>>72546725
Bach is more consistently good.

>>72546803
eh I pretty much consider Mozart K200 onward

>>72539834
>>72546611
you forgot your animes

>>72539250
>Bruckner
>Berlioz
>Corelli
>Honegger
>Dvorak
>boring or unpleasant
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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>>72539250
Shit, I quoted this post but forgot to comment (I don't blame myself for it), so here goes: who the fuck cares?

>>72545717
>>72545983
>>72546072
I'm not underrating Mozart at all. Most of his concertos and operas are amazing. Just not his symphonies.

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Celibidache's surprisingly quick in Mozart 40 desu

>>72547108
>>72547108
>>72547108
>>72547108
NEW
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>>72547108
>>72547108
>>72547108

>>72547071
>surprisingly
P l e b

>>72547116
The OP you made is shitposty as fuck.
Congratz, faggot.

>>72547148

sucks to be you kid, stay salty.

Mingus is the only serious composer in jazz, although there's something to be said for Bill Evans realization of a chamber music within the genre.

The rest is chin-scratching wank, expressionist victimhood vomit, or muzak.

>>72546725
Excluding Mozart's operas does handicap Mozart somewhat. Unless you're meaning the "Bach didn't write an opera ergo he loses" argument.
I think I'm definitely towards the side of Mozart at the moment. Might be because I've been involved in the performance of so much baroque music recently that I'm fairly sick of the era, although I have been having fun exploring all those recordings of baroque music played like Mahler from the 30s to ~50s before HIP came along.
The cantatas+passions constitute one of the greatest artistic productions of humankind and every so often I do want to place Bach on that top-step, but then I'll listen to something like the final movement of K491 or the sextet from Le Nozze di Figaro and I can't do it.

I did sing K. 167 the other day (although more or less sight-reading to be fair, so didn't have too much time to build up a fair appraisal of the piece) and even though it's a teenage Mozart composition - and it did show sometimes, although some great fugal writing too - but it was enjoyable from start to finish.
>>72547071
Celi just got slower as he got older, his earlier stuff isn't "badly" paced.

>>72537104
>How should I practice/learn piano? I've been thinking that maybe learning preludes could be a good way
Good idea.

Start with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOx710drHnw it's really slow and easy.