Thoughts?

Say goodbye to that coveted spot in the top 10 for 2017.

>>72445587
it wasnt a 2 imo

But TMS wasnt a 10 either

>>72445615
>tfw melon's review actually boots new gas out of top 10
it isn't even summer yet what the fuck

>>72445587
it's his opinion
there's no more thoughts to be had

>>72445587
fantano reviewing any kompakt record is just wrong

>>72445587
Does literally anyone give a shit about this obvious plant or what he wants us to think?

I mean other than the shills who start these threads and make 98% of the posts.

Hahahahahaha holy fuck how can one man be so wrong. Wew. This is worse than his Pure Comedy review. Thank god I dropped this man years ago.

Gas i can't think of a worse name for an artist everyone is just going to associate it with poop farts and ass

He's a pleb. Stop caring about him.

if youre still watching this guy then youre just doing it for the memes really. controversial opinions are just to keep it interesting for his braindead subscribers.

>>72445587
I agree, but thats because I hate all music

the other Gas is beter anyway

>>72445587
He is kinda right tho...
I don't know why he looked so angry at the end

>>72445587
He obviously only gave it a review cuz he wanted to be contrarian. If he didn't like it so much he shouldn't have given it a full review. It ends up feeling like he's just trying to hurt the artist and their fans

Anthony has never really gotten electronic music but this is a new low

More of a 5 to me I love pop and I get what he was going for on narkopop but I just think it was kind of middling nothing special but not bad I didnt get why people were cumming over it, it sounded like a regular bandcamp electro producer, take the name off of it no one cares

>>72445736
You dropped him because you disagree with his opinion? I watch him because, at least for me, he points out things about an album I didn't notice. The videos aren't to know what the right opinion is, it's just a discussion about music...he reviews more shit than anybody else (excluding spectrum pulse who wastes his damn time reviewing radio shit). Learn to not get so mad when hearing another opinion.

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>>72445587
do you have any thoughts? opinions? anything?

Why do you care about him?

>uninorically says "EDM", "new age", and "beats"
>"from what i saw on the internet, Pop seems to be his most acclaimed album"

jesus christ why do you take this guy seriously
I don't think he had ever heard of Gas before this album came out

>>72445736
COMMMEDDDDY

>>72445736
>Dropped this man years ago
>Worse than his Pure Comedy Review
>Wew

Fantandrone spotted stay clear

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rate my meme

>>72446032
reddit

>>72445587
Narkopop is objectively at least a 7. Retarted balding cuck

>>72445587
fantano should stop reviewing electronic music

>>72446065
what else has he done wrong?

>>72445587
Oh wow, I was expecting just a "yunoreview" segment or something.

The comment about the beats is weird, has he not heard any of Gas besides Pop? The beats being so muffled is what gives it a subliminal kind of charm.

>>72446075
not reviewing elseq

>>72446075
Every and any Autechre review he has done was a low score because "I don't like farty bass hurr"

>>72446075
R+7
Syro
Elseq

>>72446075
They are all horrible reviews, no matter if he likes an album or not. He should just stick to genres he knows about.

>>72446105
>>72446116
>>72446126
>muh IDM

I love Gas but he's right. Album lacks musical variety especially with interesting loops and because of it, it fails to bring any real emotion. And as he said, it really feels colorless unlike his previous albums.

I'd give it like 4.5 or 5 tops.

>>72445991
You sir are correct and I hope many more people think this way too. I would be your friend.

>>72446139
>farty bass is a valid criticism
He doesn't even does a lot of electronic reviews in general, the guy clearly knows little on the genre. >>72446131 is right.

>>72446116

he gave Exai an 8 tho

>>72446139
>muh hating on an umbrella term

Gas is shit, prove me wrong
protip: you cant

>>72445587
Fucking stupid
I stopped taking Melon seriously when he gave Steven Wilson a 5/10

>>72446202
Prove yourself right first

>>72445587
Holy shit I thought this was a Photoshop job. I'd get not liking it but a LIGHT 2? Jesus Christ. This is the most "wrong" review of his I've ever seen.

IM GOING TO BEAT THE SHIT UP OF ANTHONY WHEN I SEE HIM IN PUBLIC

>>72445683
You're the reason the quality of music discussion on this site is so poor on average. The guy actually said some stuff about the record too, and even if he'd just given it a score, there'd still be a potential for discussion.

>>72446249
>obvious fantano shill

you guys are just mad because this if this got a high score it would legitimize the shitty bandcamp music that you're making right now. this whole album is just random ethereal loops and a constant kick drum

>>72446255
yea that's fine, but I'm not gonna watch his video so I don't really care about what he says.

>>72446274
Nobody here needs there music legitimized. Kindly cease and desist. I don't even want to discuss this album, again, cease and desist.

wtf I love Gas now

>>72446274
is anyone even that mad about this review? More people seem annoyed that there are multiple threads with the same picture that say "thoughts?" because the person that posted it couldn't articulate their own opinion.

he does all the thinking for you.

And thus begins the cycle of praise turning to people pretending they weren't in love with this album before today.

>>72445587
hes so cringeworthy

>>72446403
stop shilling for fantano.

Listening to some of it now, I can kind of see what he means.
Damn, I've only listened to it once, but I'm kind of beginning to dislike it now :S

>>72445587
How can this be? Like even if you fucking hated ambient you could still give it at least a 5

>>72446425
all discussion = shilling

>>72446149
Then what the fuck did you love about it?

>>72446274

Literally every Gas album

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>>72445991

>he reviews more shit than anybody else
>

>>72446006
This right here.

>>72446032
7/10 not too shabby.

He gave MBDTF a 6, and that was 7 years ago. When will you people learn?

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Face it /mu/, Gas is shit.

>>72446202
>>72446231
Only correct answer is that it's impossible to prove that one ambient album is better or worse than another.

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>2/10
>2 favorite tracks
>l1 least favorite track

>>72446006
thanks for saying this

>>72446545

>Typed an entire paragraph reviewing an album
>Only criticism was "boring"

A worthless review for a worthless website, like pottery

>>72446545
insanely cringe anon im dying no joke

>>72446295

shut the fuck up then

>>72446365

i didn't even watch his review on it. i just listened to it myself long enough to determine it on my own

>>72446454

good to know

>>72446006
fucking this

>>72446403
For having an opinion?

>>72445587
>this is real
what the actual fuck
I generally don't pay much attention to the guy and remember his other 'electronic' reviews often being kinda lacking, but this is just ridiculous

fuck, it's gonna be impossible to discuss this album here now, isn't it?

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>>72446545
>Teutonic marching and looped Wagner strings, again, in 2017? Er, no, thanks. With Trump and Putin around, and armies of undisguised Nazis banging the asphalt in between them, I would rather listen to something else.

>>72445587

Why so many people don't have any fucking sense of proportion? It's not that great as an album, but come on, a *light* 2/10? I wouldn't even rate Corey Feldman so low.

It's not a 2, but he's right that it's an exceptionally boring and insipid record, and I've been calling it overrated since Pitchfork gave it BNM. I think now popular opinion will shift, giving the album the kind of public perception it deserves: a lightly positive if somewhat lukewarm one.

>>72446545
>>72446647
>Er

>>72446545
The Debussy comment is too convenient to not be shitposting.

https://youtu.be/BfWMpyAHZu4?t=1m13s
https://youtu.be/JhIf0wlaOlc?t=6m

>>72445587
I honestly thought this was a joke wtf
Do people take this guy seriously??

>>72446663
Wait so what would you rate a 2 then if not that

>>72446689
I wonder how many times people have, with this same air of faux incredulity, commented on a new Fantano review with "wait, people take this guy SERIOUSLY???"

The count must be approaching six figures.

>>72446640
This is a good thing, as it will deter shitposting from "le backpambient" and "yeah I'm really into techno, Gas, Boards of Canada, the list goes on" types alike.

Only downside is that it will probably lose its RYM spot, but your expectations are too high if you expected for anything other than le socially conscious ironic woke hip-hop to take #1

>>72446095
fuck off fag

>>72445683
Watch me have opinions about his opinions. You can't stop it.

>>72446545
>And trivial, bombastic, boring. (See the 17 minutes closing thing, with exactly 1 minute worth of music.) Teutonic marching and looped Wagner strings, again, in 2017? Er, no, thanks. With Trump and Putin around, and armies of undisguised Nazis banging the asphalt in between them, I would rather listen to something else. Debussy, for example. This website is worthless, btw.
Is this satire?

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>>72445587
Where in Connecticut does this half-wit cucurbitaceae live?

>>72446720
>"le backpambient"
Is this the single most triggering buzzword for the whole board?

>>72445982
>it sounded like a regular bandcamp electro producer
you don't know what electro is and have no clue about electronic music production

>>72445982
>take the name off of it no one cares
you could say the same about pop

>>72446795
>people saying something is stupid means they're triggered
Get good

>>72445991
his opinions are not only bad but they betray his lack of understanding of the music itself
he failed to point out anything interesting in the review also

He gave Ed Sheeran's new album a 4/10, just fyi.

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>listening to Gas unironically

This thread reminds me why the whole fucking internet looks down on us. Like we're fucking rats.

>>72446839
Mamma mia.

>>72445991
Pitchfork even reviews way better shit than him lol wth lad

>>72446795
not him, but it's one of the stupidest shitposty buzzwords I've heard desu

>>72446778
Plainville

kek, that fits him.

>>72446720
>your expectations are too high if you expected for anything other than le socially conscious ironic woke hip-hop to take #1
DAMN. won't take A Crow Looked at Me from #1, that's for sure.

>>72446695

I don't know if any legit 1/10 or 2/10 album even exists, at least among professionally produced works.
When an album is so bad, like Corey Feldman's, it kinda becomes interesting.
A true 2/10 album must sound like the most generic and bland mainstream pop ever recorded.

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i've had several albums that i've truly loved (mostly witch house) panned by fantano as something not listening to. it never stopped me from enjoying them if i felt like i still had a cause to do so. you guys hate fantano because is very good at articulating his opinion on music while you stay resentful that he is doing it big with just listening to music, and talking about it. the point of a critic is not to go with your preconceived consensus on how an album should be valued, a critic should use their logical faculties to bring objectivity to something that is subjective.

>Anthony N Fantano (age 31) is...is affiliated with the Democratic Party. He is a male registered to vote in Connecticut.

>tfw you have vastly superior taste to fantano, and many people agree

feels good

>>72446610
no, for not eve doing the minimal amount of research for what he knew would be a contrarian score. see: >>72446006

>>72446907
F A R T Y
S Y N T H S

>>72445587
Somehow, i'm not even in complete opposition. It's more like a decent 6 to me, nothing special, but it's still Gas.
>>72446545
satire
>>72446720
i don't think of straight-up techno, even ambient techno when I think of Gas, and BoC is more experimental and Downtempo than anything else.

What even counts as "backpambient" anyways? Because if Orbital, GC, Field, DeepChord or Porter Ricks are on what i assume is a /mu/ shitlist i swear to fucking god.

>>72446916
>being this sad

>>72446843
We are rats.

>>72446907
>you guys hate fantano because is very good at articulating his opinion on music

did you watch the review?

wtf I hate this album now!

>>72445587
It's an inverse Citizen Zombie!

>unironic fantanodrones itt
how the fuck

>>72446942
why would you think any of that could be called "backpambient"?
>DeepChord or Porter Ricks
dub techno
>Orbital
ambient house
>Field
minimal techno

>>72446943
sorry, anthony

>>72447003
Because they're brought up as examples of "faggot entry level EDM" and i just assume we covered it in buzzwords as usual.

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>>72446907
>(mostly witch house)

>>72446839
techno is one of the few things that are even lazier than pop

Call me an autist, but I took screenshots of all the current rym ratings for this album, just to see who changes their score now. Those sheep will get busted.

>>72447228
wew lad

>>72447228
go listen to your beige indie, cuck

>>72447255
You are autistic but I await the results.

>>72445991
hi Bnthony Bantanto

>>72447269
beige is still more interesting than grey

>>72447255
thank you

>>72447255
That would actually be a good demonstration of how a few well-known critics can shift general consensus.

One wonders how that might have happened to any number of past albums we think of as classics or trash.

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>>72446865

>>72445587
This wasn't deserving of a 2 at all. Maybe it's just because I really like ambient music in general, but it doesn't feel "colorless" or boring at all.

>>72446055
how the fuck can an album be rated objectively

>>72447872
I agree. Ambient stuff, for me, is judged differently than other genres. It's not meant to be intensely listened to and the mood or feeling it creates from passive listening is usually all I care about. This album works for me. Anthony sounded like he expects different things from this type of music.

>>72446720
>>72446795
>backpambient

what does this even mean? like literally what words is this even a combination of? Backpack and Ambient? What the fuck does a Backpack have to do with anything?

>>72448150
it's a reference to backpacker scene in hip hop late 90s; it's a pejorative term for the cool kids becoming passe

>>72448150
Fucking newfag

>>72445982
Idiot

>>72447894
it's called elitism

>>72447964
Fantano has no persp5

KEK, based melonmeme.

>>72447964
This so much. He pretty much criticised a TECHNO album for being repetitive. It was clear to me that he doesn't know much about electronic music.

>>72445587
Who honestly cares? Why are people so obsessed with what his opinion is going to be?

>>72449737
Because he is the most relevant music critic alive today.

>>72449737
How else will I know whether or not an album utilizes watery synths?

Is this his attempt at proving how much influence he has as a critic, in reference to his video from a few days ago? Because a 2 is just silly.

>>72450511
really rattles my high hats 2bh

>>72446032
cool meme

>>72449737

He controls our tastes.

>>72447255
I really want to see this list

If this doesn't wake /mu/ up about Fantano then I don't know what will. Maybe the most laughable score I've ever seen for any piece of media ever.

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>>72452431
Hahaha, i thought /mu/ would realize how much Fantano went off the deep end with his meme reviews. The dude is a joke at this point.

>>72445770
Most of his subscribers have no fuckin clue who Gas is.

>>72445738
laughed hard thank you

what a fucking retard, he has no taste in electronic and ambient

did he SERIOUSLY knock it out the top 10??? holy fuck that makes me angry. narkopp is solid as fuck

>>72446006
ahaha so right

>>72447255
that can be a kind fucked up. but it's really useful statistic research.

just listened - strong 3/5 on RYM imo

>>72449737

I think it's more about he pretty much admits to not have had listened to Gas previously

>>72453243
i think he has, but he falls into the "it's easy to make, so the music isn't as good" pleb trap

>>72453716
this music is not easy to make, unlike something like a crow looked at me

>>72445994
i have nothing anon

>>72453857
i don't agree with him, just saying that he said this in his review, and it seemed to really weigh on his rating - "this is just strings with boring beats on top" as if you couldn't be reductive like this with any record you don't happen to like

>>72445587
If this is real I find it hilarious

Narkopop along with all his another work is straight forward beautifully textured ambient gold

>>72445718
plant? shills?

lol who the fuck would pay someone to review albums, and what sinister agenda could they possibly be pushing?

gtfo here with that gay shit

>>72445587
Fantano's reviews of electronic music are consistently not good. It is out of his wheelhouse and it is painfully obvious.

>>72445950
or to post a review that his viewers have been asking for

>>72446610
fucking idiot

Just got done watching this review, what the fuck is his problem?

Between this and placing Amnesiac and TKOL near the bottom of his Radiohead rankings I am fucking done with Fantano, fuck him

>>72452990
I think in 2013 Tim Hecker got AOTY and The Kife got 2nd place.

>>72445738
He's German though, so it takes a whole new meaning.

>>72445738
How ignorant can you be Voigt and his Gas moniker has been a major name in ambient and minimal techno for decades

>>72458004
yeah but gas is another word for poot wind and has been for decades

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>gave Virgins a 9
>gave Narkopop a 2
How is this man even credible?

>>72445587

Sounds like I'm gonna pass this Gas

>>72456986
Tim Hecker is shit

>>72445587
Honestly, this was to be expected. Like most mainstream critics, Antony is a plebeian when it comes to /bleep/ and electronic dance music in general.

I'd love to see this melon review something by Jeff Mills or Fred P.
>it's repetitive
>the production is sterile
>lacks humanity
>3/10

dumb melon memer

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>have multiple friends that religiously watch Melon's uploads
>listen to about 5% of the albums he reviews
Just why

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>>72450459

>>72459243
Am I wrong?

>>72446545
> fans of niche, but popular artist get new music after 17 years
> they rate 5 stars on rym due to hype
> this triggers the ultra 'muh obscure music' hipster that still cares about ratings on rym

what a fucking autist kek.

The GOOD Gas is 0095. Get with it, people.

>>72458174
well Virgins is absolutely deserving of a 9, but Narkopop is better than a 2

>>72459111
I was just thinking that, imagine if he actually reviewed an actual techno record, would he endlessly complain about the repetition and lack of any clear track progression?

>>72446942
What is gc?

>>72460031
Global Communication, ambient techno duo who released the seminal album 76:14

>>72447255
ha good one!

>>72446545
kek

>>72446545
i didn't even listen to this album but i just rated it 5 stars to trigger this faggot

>>72446075
gave BoC a light 6

>>72460679
Tomorrows Harvest deserved that score imo, the beats that made up the bulk of the tracks were just a bit shitty, especially when compared to the percussion on Geogaddi and MHTRTC. I still maintain it should've been a 30 minute ambient EP

2 is pretty fuckin' harsh for an ambient album of this sort. I wonder how he would rate Music for Airports?

>>72447228
Gas isn't even proper Techno anymore
Is more like Ambient, Drone, sort of

>objectively
>art
>OBJECTIVELY
>ART

I thought t was pretty good
strong 7

>>72446006
What's wrong with EDM?

>>72461411
It's a meaningless buzzword that American journalists started to use in the early 2010s to umbrella several genres that became popular with the fratboy "candy raver" demographic; brostep, big room, electro house, that kind of shit
The thing is, people get confused with the bastardised term "EDM", and the initials of Electronic Dance Music, you can kind of see why
It's best to avoid the term "EDM" all together, call it dance music, or better yet just call what you hear by its actual genre
Fantano using the term "EDM" unironically when reviewing an ambient/minimal techno album basically means he has no respect for dance music, and is reviewing it from an ignorant American outsider's perspective

>>72459111
kek

>>72451217
that's what I thought, especially since p4k gave this a good rating and he's usually in line with p4k.

>>72445587
>fantano tries listening to patrician ambient
>thinks it's a 2

>>72446545
>>72446202
No. Shit is solid, fart is gas.

>>72459699
lmao no

>watching the melon post 2013
>watching the melon about any music that isnt pop ever
toppest laff

I like how everyone on /mu/ is suddenly overnight MUH GAS MUH AMBIENT MUH PATRICIAN MUSIC MUH PLEBS DON'T GET IT and I still have to see a thread talking about Ian Boddy, Lustmord, Klara Lewis, Robert Rich, Negru Voda, Vladimir Hirsch, etc...
>>72446545 is right, you are just jumping in a bandwagon, Gas was good. WAS. This album is weak and you are late to the party.

>>72463510
Pretty neat opinion you've got there. It's just a shame you're incorrect.

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>>72463510
>Lustmord

>>72452431
all scores are laughable

>>72464229
(You) revealed how shitty is your taste in the most concise way
Congratulations

>>72452431
I'm still baffled. Melon keeps one upping himself in 2017. Pure Comedy his AOTY, narkopop 2/10. He's a professional troll now, shilling contrarian opinions for views and clicks.

>>72455132
This. I'm trying to ignore it but he shat on a beautiful record. 2/10 is the lowest score given without a NOT GOOD in over a year. Terrible.

>>72461358
His review isn't art, the criticisms are OBJECTIVELY wrong.

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>>72462702
>Gas
>patrician ambient
god damnit /mu/ you will be the end of me

>>72464919
Ambient is a patrician genre you basement dwelling mong.

>>72464919
Kys

I unironically agree.

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>>72464936
>>72464943
haha what's next, David Guetta is patrician house?

>>72464996
>>72464919

>/v/ reaction images

kys

>>72445683
>>72445991

Objective viewpoints do exist in music or art more generally, like describing, understanding, and appreciating music for what it is in and of itself AND relative to cultural context depending on which way you slice it. Whether or not it is interesting or agreeable is (what most people call their "good" and "bad") is the subjective part that can also be made objective with the right amount of rigor. I understand why you would watch Fantano if you are really hankering to hear somebody talk about music, but a better exercise is LISTENING TO THE MUSIC MORE, researching the artist behind the album, listening to the rest of the artist's music, and so on, so you can develop your own critical apparatus for opining about the artist's work and eventually become an expert about that artist.

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>>72465080
Nice argument there faggot. Keep defending your shitty 30 second loops effortlessly extended into 17 minutes of "music", maybe you'll get patrician points for it!

>>72465323

>>>/v/

>>>/killyourself/

>>72458004
Don't take it so seriously, I love Gas and >>72445738 still made me laugh because I'm a juvenile.

>>72465236
So for those reasons it's pretty easy to write off or ignore subjectivists like Fantano who like to give what are basically slapdash opinions about tons of music. Still, the dude who is an actual Gas expert is very unlikely to get many views on youtube. Just like the food tourist who travels the globe is much more likely to get the primetime spot than the expert in one special cuisine or whatever. (lol food analogy)

As long as I'm ranting, there is one last thing: at a certain point, these reviews literally become a commodity, hence why Fantano can make a living doing what he does. Whether or not that's OK is kinda moot: the more important question is what you take away from somebody's opinion on music who *opines for a living*, who is likely to approach a record through the lens of talking points for his little video, and who is prone to the whims of giving rapid-fire opinion (rather than thorough, expert analysis). So maybe this guy is just in some sort of mood that makes him squat down and take a huge shit on a serious piece of art that an artist devoted a lot of time and effort into creating. Hmm. Now here is the part where I don't think that this is OK. I don't think that Anthony Fantano treats the music he reviews with due respect and will more often than not rely on ironic distance in his videos. This is evident by the way he refers to a record as "this thing", like he doesn't even appreciate the fact that he is discussing a work of art.

>>72465236
I think criticism is more subjective than just calling a particular aspect (how an instrument is played, how a vocal sounds, etc.) agreeable or interesting, it also comes down to things like mood and "album flow" which LOOK like things we could objectively describe, but which interpretation can vary by listener.

This is what's most jarring about reading a review you disagree with, you see a difference in the way the critic INTERPRETS the record, rather than just calling this or that sound good or bad. For example, Fantano saying the album is tepid or unemotional, which carries with it the implication that you're wrong about the artists' intentions or some fact about the composition of the record. When it's really no less subjective than going "ew" or "cool".

>>72465547
Yes of course there are many different schools of thought about whether intent matters and such. I personally think that intent is the essence of art and that excellent artists know how to intentionally bring about an effect on their audience, be it an emotion, message, world, etc. And of course the hallmark of a good artist is to avoid making their intentionality so obvious as to shine through the art in the form of a cliche. But art emerges at such an incredibly high level of human endeavor that every single topic becomes very complex. To give an example of how complex it is from the creation side, cliches are the product of cultural ages and an artist may choose to take part in a traditional cliche or to employ cliches ironically. Like how Shakespeare could be doing Petrarch stuff then doing Chaucer stuff then doing Shakespeare stuff. And then, from the critic's perspective, they evaluate cliches and other artistic maneuvers to create the very definitions of cultural ages/genres and so on (Renaissance, Middle English, Tudor, whatever).

I think that you're right about how it seems like we could describe something abstract like album flow objectively but that something like album flow in fact strikes different people in different ways. It would require some pretty arcane thought and jargon to try to make something abstract like album flow into concrete language. Philosophers talking about morality and topics like that experience the same issue, and it often just seems so abstruse that you think "what are you doing man". At the end of the day I think it's more admirable to strive for objectivity and expertise on topics than it is to just give out opinions willy-nilly.

And bottom line you are right that it's jarring when I see Fantano give facile, shallow reviews of serious works of art like Gas's Narkopop or Lil Ugly Mane's Oblivion Access.

Where did the "farty synth" meme come from? Because there are non on Narkopop.

>>72465944
Oh and I do want to mention that the topic of "plot flow" has been described objectively before, or at least attempted. For example, Aristotle did a pretty good job of objectively describing the plot flow of Greek drama in his Poetics.

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Orbital is totally on the techno spectrum though