ITT: Things people say about music that pisses you off

>>72410411
>piano with a few knobs
Except will it work without electricity?

>>72410458
Autism?

>>72410474
How so?

>>72410411
>overrated rock band
who?

>oh yeah I play an instrument
>it's just a laptop

>>72410482
All of them.

>>72410458
And the fact it needs power to produce sound makes it not an instrument why?

>>72410411
but thats not a piano with a few knobs. its nothing like a piano besides it has a keyboard designed for a 12 tone scale....

>>72410503
A piano does not need electricity. Do you know what a piano is anon?

>>72410494
That's an instrument yes. I don't get your post?

>>72410534
>That's an instrument yes
How so? What sound does it make? How do you play it?

>>72410482
Radiohead

>>72410526
yeah i own one

I think that probably most of the people who complain about the musical process being too automated aren't complaining about minimoogs from 1978.

>>72410563
How much did you pay for it?

>>72410557
it can make lots of different sounds and played in many different ways. i would say for the most part people use synthesizers or midi based sample keyboards and sequencers on it.

>>72410557
The DAW on the machine, like the strings in a plank of wood with a hole in it.

I'd like to see one of those kids try to even get sound out of my modular system lol...

>>72410576
why does it matter?

>>72410526
A piano still needs power (the force exerted on the keys), which is transformed mechanically into a completely different sound than keys clacking.

>>72410582
>The DAW on the machine
Oh a mulitrack recorder?

No we are discussing instruments.
>>72410593
I don't believe you own one.

>>72410583
*farts into mic*
here you go

>>72410526
He knows what a piano is. He's asking why it matters if it needs power or not.

>>72410602
>A piano still needs power
A piano does not need electricity. Do you know what a piano is anon?
>>72410622
>He's asking why it matters if it needs power or not.
Pianos don't require electricity.

>>72410607
It was originally owned by my dad so i don't know how much he paid for it. What are you trying to prove?

>>72410634
>It was originally owned by my dad
So you don't own one. Your parents do. So that means you live at home. You do realize this is an 18+ board right?

>>72410632
I didn't say that a piano requires electricity. I said that it requires power. Electricity is a kind of power, like kinetic force is a kind of power.

>>72410664
>I said that it requires power
Sounds like your mistake then

>>72410673
No.

>>72410659
Have you ever heard of inheriting something anon?

>>72410686
How'd you inherit it?
>>72410683
Why not? We were discussing electricity, not force.

>>72410673
What an idiot you're proving yourself to be.

>>72410708
How so?

>>72410618
*punches you in your gay fag face*

get sunk kid

>>72410706
My parents are fucking dead.

A monosynth is significantly different than a piano, especially since it's limited to one note at a time. Rock kids love old Moog shit anyway. None of this shit matters. The end product is what's important. Getting caught up in trivial things like "What is a genuine instrument?" is a waste of time. These days most musicians don't care and understand that tools are tools. Most folks keeping these discussions alive are listeners who are weary of change. Things that also don't matter are technicality/extreme dexterity, knowledge, and clarity, though they can definitely be appreciated. To truly be "about the music" you need to separate yourself from shitty politics.

>>72410736
How'd they die?

>>72410734
*farts while being punched*
you: "who's playing my modular?

>>72410706
I don't really see how my personal life ties in with proving a fucking synthesizer is a musical instrument

>>72410731
By contradicting my "precious beliefs" on instruments with your chaotic-neutral questions. And failing to actually bring an argument to the table.

>>72410706

Lol why so skeptical of someone who says they own a fucking piano? One of the most common instruments there is

>>72410583
>>72410734
Watch the edge there, xx_Skrillex666_xx, you might cut yourself

>>72410757
September 2001 WTC. no jk

In order to determine what a "musical instrument" is, we must first determine what "music" is.

As soon as the lewronggeneration nigger ITT defines "music" for us, we can get somewhere.

>>72410819
sound from an instrument is music. >:^)

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>>72410632
>A piano does not need electricity. Do you know what a piano is anon?
The human body actually have electricity (You can see it on the ECG).
Thats why people are more likely to enjoy electronic sounds.

>this thread went exactly as op planned

>>72410819
Music started in 1910.

>>72410844
no, not really

>>72410583
>spend ridiculous amount on modular system
>create terrible useless sounds that you cant recreate without massive effort

sure hope you rip audio as you play

>>72410810
That's fucked up if it's true. Sorry man

>>72410775
>I don't really see how my personal life ties in
Then why'd you bring up that you own a piano?
>a fucking synthesizer is a musical instrument
When did I say it wasn't?

The image says a synthesizer is a piano, which is not correct
>>72410777
>By contradicting my "precious beliefs" on instruments
Sounds like your problem
>>72410780
See above. He made a false claim, then lied and said he owned one
>>72410837
Misdirection

>>72410458
will peeano work without string?

>>72410607
>Oh a mulitrack recorder?
It's like the legs of the real piano. You push buttons inside it (which are the instrument)

yes it can also record and mix and shit

>>72411039
>yes it can also record and mix and shit
That's fine.

But it's not an instrument

>>72410970
>Then why'd you bring up that you own a piano?
because you asked if i knew what a piano was you sperglord

>>72411057
>because you asked if i knew what a piano was
Then why did you lie about owning one? You could have just said "no I don't"

>>72411056
Actually, that's right. The DAW is a sandbox for the actual instruments, which would be things like VST plugins.

>>72410474
Conditional music. Lame

>>72411039
>daws are like the legs of a piano
what the fuck am i reading

>>72411109
Two retards arguing.

>>72410474
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlMjpeTz3MY

>>72411091
>he DAW is a sandbox for the actual instruments, which would be things like VST plugins.
Now you are getting it. The actual instrument would be the software. The laptop itself is not an instrument unless you are using it persuasively.

>>72411097
>not sampling the noise of the key press
>pitch it up
>200 ms decay in sampler
>pitch up
>increase transient
>decrease sustain
>gate for snap
>saturate noise into high end
>eq into form
>snare made from keyboard without electricity

could equally do the same with anything your understanding of what music is, is that of a fool.

>>72411130
how do you use a laptop persuasively?

>>72411130
OK. So, a piano is not an instrument but the hammers and strings that it contains are.

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do people really say this? I know people get pissy about sequencing and drum machines as far as live performances but I've never heard anyone say a analog synth wasn't a real instrument

>72410582
>The DAW on the machine

a studio isn't an instrument in the same way a an Avid isn't a camera no matter how supremely important it is to the final sound

>>72411164

how did I fuck up linking >>72410582 ?

>>72411130
so >>72411039 was right after all....

>>72411153
this thread is getting impressively retarded

>>72411137
No, don't worry get I know and understand synthesis. I just look forward to when WWIII takes away your ability to trample over talent with jive-ass lo-fi hip hop.

>"hey anon, we're having a jam session."
>"can i bring my laptop?"
>"sure"

wat do?

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>>72410411
Hey I have a minimoog model d
and not the reissue

roast me

>>72411194
except that wasnt synthesis, it was sampling, which could be done with a tape deck? or any platform?

and its not for lo fi hip hop these are using the 5 means of audio maniplulation which is what constitutes *all* sound creation

the fact you think this makes lo fi hip hop implies you are a retard

>>72411153
>So, a piano is not an instrument
It is an instrument. Look it up.
>>72411191
No. Piano is an instrument, a laptop is not

>>72411279
>back to blatant denial

This is getting boring.

>>72411279
>No. Piano is an instrument, a laptop is not
so he was right after all

>>72411310
>back to bleepbloop defensive mode
This is why it's funny

>>72411193
That's why we love 4chan

>>72411317
Right about what?

>>72411223
Why do you talk like a second-year Ableton user? There's two ways to affect sound. Amplitude and frequency. That's it. You aren't going to prove this wrong, and you aren't a musician.

>metal is basically like classical
>oh you just dont like metal because you dont like complex guitar playing
>oh you just dont like metal because its too aggressive for you

>>72411325
Actually, I listen to very little electronica. I mainly listen to metal. But I guess that's about the same, since my guitars use electricity.

>>72411419
>since my guitars use electricity.
Do you also think they are acoustic guitars?

>>72411419
>AKCHTUALLY
Actually, the aesthetic you've developed an attachment to is determined by the shit you've bought than any conception, so you're a jive-ass.

>>72410819
music is any consciously ordered series of sound of specific tonality on a specific rhythm.

>>72411455
>>72411470

ayacktchually, I was a classical pianist for several years growing up, then went into acoustic blues guitar, then left off playing music myself when I dived into metal listening.

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>thread about things people say that start arguments
>OP starts a thread consuming argument
>>>/s4s/

>>72411545
I don't care.

>>72411361
without a DAW there are 5 ways to manipulate sound and every piece of music ever recorded was recorded with an understanding of them.

of course i cant prove that wrong because its not relevant to what i said, amplitude and frequency are ways of measuring audio not ways to manipulate them

changing phase relationships, slowing/speeding samples up, flanging, pitching while addressing the speed change, saturation/distortion (tube, tape, triode) are the ways of manipulating sound what you said are means of measuring them

>>72410632
So an electric guitar is not an instrument?

>>72411545
Sad.

>>72411555
>>72411596

Can't come up with a better response? I've also studied music as biology and music as culture, so you're pretty off the mark about me being a consumer pleb.

this thread is solid proof that electronic fans on /mu/ are braindead retards

>>72411574
>changing phase relationships
Amplitude

>slowing/speeding samples up
Frequency

>flanging
Frequency and amplitude

>pitching while addressing the speed change
Frequency

>saturation/distortion (tube, tape, triode)
Amplitude

>ever recorded
You're fixated on the wrong elements.

>>72411619
>studied music as biology and music as culture
>consumer pleb

these people actually exist

this thread is solid proof that electronic haters on /mu/ are braindead retards

>>72411525
what about indeterminancy and aleatoric music? those are established modes of musical thought that dont fit your defintion...

or this sound piece?
http://calebchase.com/newmusic.html

>muh chord progressions and muh time signatures I'm so musical xD

>>72411594
Of course it is.

When did I say it wasn't?
>>72411619
It's not relevant to the discussion.
>so you're pretty off the mark about me being a consumer pleb.
Quote me where I said this

>>72411619
>music as biology
>I wasted a small fortune

>>72411631
for a start phase relationships will also change frequency

infact all of the actions will likely affect both

im not fixated on the wrong elements how are you not understanding that both frequency and amplitude are a means of measurement on a x/y axis. an amount of inches is not what makes someone tall, the amount of height they are is what makes them that many inches

>Everybody is too ass blasted to notice the goofy sex shit in this post
>>72411218

>>72411717
>condoms
>goofy sex shit
Are you 11?

>>72411717
I don't see anything out of the ordinary

>>72411747
>still too ass blasted to notice anything but the condoms

>>72411669
If an electric guitar is an instrument, and electric keyboard is equally an instrument. A theremin is an instrument, yet requires electricity. Your autistic emphasis on electricity is a sure sign of shitposting, yet here I am.

>>72411652
>established modes
Then they are ordered, aren't they?

>>72411702
Because that axis represents the only two existing variables. Everything else you're talking about are patterns in affecting said variables.

>>72411717
you want me to give you a prize for your epic pic?

>>72411772
Quote me where I said that if it requires electricity, then it's not an instrument

>>72411619
Come back when you've studied music as pure mathematics you philistine

>>72411795
Just more dragon dildo money
It's hard spending all my money on vintage synths and other instruments

>>72411789
>only two existing variables

what about panning width or stereo image? what is the point of an oscilloscope?

are you trolling or just an idiot who thinks he can break things into his own flawed understanding?

>>72411847
>what about panning width or stereo image
Amplitude distributed over two different output sources. You're fucking wrong and I'm trying to help you, dickhead.

>>72411865
what do you do to manipulate the amplitude and pitch, what are the actions you take

>>72411773
no its unnordered or allowing chance to order the music

>>72411888
Move my fucking fingers, Einstein.

>>72411913
move your fingers doing what?

pressing on a tape deck? changing an eq?

also >two different output sources

what about true mono panning on a single speaker

>>72411933
>mono pannign
what?

>>72411911
>allowing chance
Which is a type of order

>>72411942
move your fingers doing what?

mono can be panned to change the perceived soundscape while retaining it mono integrity

>>72410458
electric guitar

>>72411987
Electric guitars still work without electricity my friend

>>72411987
An electric guitar and acoustic guitar are not the same, they are two separate instruments.

>>72411942
Actually he's right.

>>72411976
Amplitude and frequency

>that's a great album
listens to fontano's negative review
>I'm sorta indifferent towards it desu

>>72411976
>move your fingers doing what?
Consider it this way. There are new VSTs that do novelty stuff coming out all the time. At a certain point, any way you can think of affecting pitch and volume is a way that you can do it.

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>this is a picture of a guy playing piano according to OP and some genius musicians itt

>>72410482
foo fighters

>>72412025
just like a synth and a piano

you still havent told me what you are doing when you are moving your fingers. what are your fingers literally doing, not what the effect of them being moved is.

>>72412201
and at no point did i mention any vsts, only tape decks.

When someone says that they listen to everything rather than giving me 2-3 examples. It's like saying yeah I'm a fisherman, I fish every type of fish.

>>72412285
Dude, I dunno, man. I'm sorry you were convinced that "music and biology as culture" was a course of study, I guess.

>>72412389
i posted this
>>72411640

what are you fingers doing?

>>72410482
I usually pin this one on Queen
>they ended up using synths anyways

>>72412456
and i mean besides your daily pokey bum wank

>>72410411
Yes and no the piano is acoustic but has a very wide tonal range.
The
>mellotron
Has a far smaller tonal range but instead of one timbre it has an entire range of timbral capabilities. The consept of shifting music from tones to timbres is a very odd one but has slowly been finding itself in pop culture more frequently.

Tl;dr they dif But still cool: we wuz moozichanz.

Reggae all sounds the same- GTFO

>>72410482
that's right

>>72410809
very reddit-tier retort

>>72412289
What if you enjoy a wide variety of music?

I mainly listen to drum and bass, but in my pursuit of samples i listen to reels of various genres from 50s/60s/70s. I listen to lots of grime & hiphop but thoroughly enjoy classical compositions. I used to listen to lots and lots of metal and while I still do, its surrounded by lots of other genres. I love rnb, trance music, bassline. Jazz, Funk, Folk, Ska - they are all genres i would happily enjoy.

Is that a problem

>>72412289
When someone asks me what I listen to, I ask if they want the shortened or full list of genres.

Is that autistic?

>>72410632
>A piano does not need electricity
Well lets go through how a piano works

>the key is struck which triggers the hammers to hit the strings
>striking the key requires the movement of fingers
>the movement of fingers requires the movement of muscles
>the movement of muscles requires the release of Acetylcholine from the vesicles of the axon terminal
>this requires an action potential to have moved through all your neurons
>an action potential requires a change in the distribution of electric charge in your neurons
checkmate...kid

>>72410482
ac/dc

>>72412003
mine doesn't

>>72413662
Not electricity.

Stop
>>72412280
When did I say otherwise?

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>>72414515
>an action potential isnt electricity

>>72414640
If it's something required for all actions, the importance is delineated. This it is a moot point and should be ignored when discussing what is or is not an instrument

>>72414712
>implying i am not an instrument
>implying everything isnt an instrument

stay blue pilled faggot

Wow this thread got derailed before I even got to post

>>72414929
>>implying everything isnt an instrument
See >>72414712
>If it's something required for all actions, the importance is delineated.

>>72411124
holy shit that's making my brain hurt
fucking autismos wtf

>>72410482
dadrock shit like black sabbath, ac/dc, van halen, metalica, nine inch nails etc

>>72414929
>>implying everything isnt an instrument
See >>72411797

>>72411097
>>72410458

Why even use instruments? Just use your voice for everything

>>72412522
>Shitting of Queen for literally no reason

Welcome to /mu/

>>72416563
>shitting on garbage dadrock for no reason

yeah fuck off fella, /mu/ is K-Dot. territory

>>72416444
>Why even use instruments?
>Just use your an instrument for everything
wat

>>72416634
t. Doesn't know music theory

>>72416728
acapella music anon, it's the future

>>72416728

technology and matter is evil, all music should be purely mental and exist esoterically only in your own dreams

>>72416813
The human voice is an instrument you dummy
>>72416991
What's your point?

>>72410659
>>72410706
Get a load of this stupid motherfucker.

I do radio signal processing as well as DSP for a living and this thread gave me a real fucking laugh.

Amplitude and frequency anon is right. However phase is also a component of sound.

>>72413662
This is a dumbest thing I've ever read.

>>72410411
a synthesizer is not an instrument though, it's a tool. A very powerful tool but a tool nonetheless.

>>72410583
go to be joel no one here likes your music

>>72410411
Only retards are saying that.
Manually mapping MIDI in a DAW, however, does not qualify as playing an instrument.