Which one is the actual queen of art-pop?

Both, but reigning in different periods

>art pop

Please, no.

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Grimes

kate is much more interesting

bjork repeats herself too much

>>72378185
Then who reigns right now?

>>72378201
It's the other way around

>>72378207
>>72378199

>>72378166
fake genre

>>72378195
Oh come on, yeah it's a stupid name for a genre but you can't dismiss it when it gave us so many great albums

>>72378199
>art pop

>>72378201
They both repeat themselves a lot, their songwriting has always the same idiosyncrasy. That said, I think Björk is more eclectic that Kate

>>72378207
Maybe FKA twigs? Although I wouldn't put her in the same league as Björk and Kate (yet)

art pop = female pop singer who likes to dress up weirdly instead of sexy

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This is so good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWX8hFhNpdQ

>>72378323
No one ever said it's a genre.

Art pop is an attitude toward music-making, which is why Kate Bush and Bjork sound almost nothing alike.

>>72378395
I didn't know the term art pop was so triggering to some people.

>>72378347
>>art pop

Name another album that sounds like Halfaxa.

Name one reason IDM inspired pop like Visions isn't art pop.
https://youtu.be/8R00Vu7Ag7s

I want to fuck Björk in the butt, but she's a terrible musician. She's the female Bowie, i.e. her producers contribute more to her music than she does.

>>72378475
>her producers contribute more to her music than she does.

What makes you say that? Have you ever been in the studio with her?

It's such a random claim. It's like, you don't know how to actually criticize her, so you make up something you have no idea is actually true (and it most certainly isn't, considering all the people she has collaborated with have nothing but great things to say about her as a producer) only to discredit her as an artist.

>>72378395
What about Brian Eno, David Bowie, Serge Gainsbourg, Brian Wilson, Radiohead, Talk Talk, Roxy Music, Sparks, etc.

Although I acknowledge that a lot of the whole art-pop thing has to do with the visual aesthetic of the performer.

>>72378455
>Name another album that sounds like Halfaxa.
Sounding unique is not definitive to what makes something art-pop.

>Name one reason IDM inspired pop like Visions isn't art pop.
Because musically it does not cover more than synthpop already does. And that IDM inspiration is not very strong. Wathever, I don't want to argue with grimesfags today.

>>72378475
Read articles and interviews with Björk or any of her producers, about any of her albums, and you'll see that you're talking out of your ass.

>>72378624
>Because musically it does not cover more than synthpop already does
>Sounding unique is not definitive to what makes something art-pop.
brainlet

>that IDM inspiration is not very strong
3/4 of that album is IDM inspired

>>72378755
I think Grimes' first albums could be considered art pop, depending on how you look at them. She certainly has the attitude when it comes to production and song structuring, though her compositions are never ambitious, unlike Bjork's and Kate's.

Art Angels is just mainstream pop though. Sure there are a couple of "out-there" tracks on it, but it's not nearly enough to justify it being called art pop. Hopefully she will do something more interesting next. I do like some of her stuff

>>72378755
>brainlet
lol I didn't even contradict myself

>>72378475
>want to fuck Björk in the butt
this

>>72378590
>What makes you say that?
Not that anon, but if you listen to her albums and then check out the solo/other works done by her production collaborators on each one, it becomes readily apparent just how much of an overwhelming influence they had on her sound.

>>72378910
>her compositions are never ambitious,
Lack of subtlety =/= lack of ambition/sonic complexity. Truly great pop art doesn't hit you over the head with why it's great (my one major complaint with the likes of Bjork - her artistry is about as subtle as a freight train.) It allows you to bask in it's presence casually, and then gives you the opportunity to dig deeper into it's depths if and only if you so choose. Which is something recent Grimes pulls off effortlessly.

>>72378185
this.

>>72380465
What went wrong?

>>72378475
I want to go with her to Iceland for a week and fuck the everliving shit out of her while keeping Vespertine on repeat

>>72378166
Kate Bush obviously, every one of her albums is different whereas Bjork does the exact same thing over different hirelings' backing tracks - Bjork is the arty Madonna, whereas Kate Bush is Kate Bush.

>>72378475
You're right about Bjork but insanely wrong about Bowie.

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>>72378199
she's dream pop

>>72382149
Meme pop is more accurate.

it's Kate Bush :)

>>72378199
this

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Julia is the new queen of art pop

>>72382404
Came here to make sure this was posted, bless

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>>72378475
>her producers contribute more to the music than she does
>female Bowie
That has got to be the worst comparison I've ever seen.

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>>72382404

>>72378166
We had numerous strawpolls on this and Kate Bush would win each time

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>art pop

>>72378199
This.

>>72383587
Kate? Barely in the middle. Bjork and Grimes won all those polls so far.

>>72378166
Kate in the 80s, Björk in the 90s and 00s. Art pop spread in the 10s makes it the only decade without a great dominant figure in the genre I think.

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>>72384243
>Art pop spread in the 10s makes it the only decade without a great dominant figure in the genre I think.
You forgot someone...

>>72384302
1-Grimes is not as recognizable to the average music listener as Björk or Kate in their heydays
2-As someone already pointed out, she's a lot more synthpop inclined than art pop.
But yeah she's part of the art pop-influenced pop wave of this decade.

>>72378590
it's a scaruffi meme

>>72384330
>she's a lot more synthpop inclined than art pop.
Art pop is not a genre anyway, just a vague descriptor. Her music is 1. arty and 2. pop, so it counts.

>1-Grimes is not as recognizable to the average music listener as Björk or Kate in their heydays
True, but the decade isn't over yet. Her next album could make her way more popular.

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>>72384302
>You forgot someone...
Sure did.

https://youtu.be/zJBC8L3pG_Y

>>72384243

Major Art Pop pioneers over the decades
>60s: The Beatles
>70s: David Bowie
>80s: Madonna
>90s: Björk
>00s: Lady Gaga
>10s: Grimes

Bite me.

>>72384420
>Her next album could make her way more popular.
Yeah and I could be hit by a meteor tomorrow, grimesfag

>>72384330
>not as recognizable to the average music listener
NO musical artist of today is going to have the sort of statistical reach enjoyed by others in decades past because of the dramatic increase in means of music distribution.

>>72384718
Good list except 80s and 00s. Pick Kate Bush and Karin Dreijer instead and it's perfect.

>>72384791
>Yeah and I could be hit by a meteor tomorrow
Never say never. Be careful tomorrow.

Kate Bush is more consequential. But Bjork has been more consistent, likely because she doesn't take any real risks that could alienate her audience.

>>72385407
>doesn't take any risks
>released the outlandish Homogenic, Biophilia

bjork is an absolute madwoman

>>72384812
>Good list except 80s and 00s.
This is a list of art pop PIONEERS, as in the pop music artist from each decade with the greatest track record* for challenging the sonic/ideological boundaries of what is/isn't considered to be popular music. It isn't a personal best of list (the only artists mentioned here whose music I personally like are The Beatles, David Bowie, and Grimes.) This is about musicians who have had widespread lasting effects on how other pop musicians think/go about making popular music - for better or worse.

* Obviously any pick for the 2010s is going to be tenuous at best considering the decade hasn't even ended yet. But imo the case for Grimes is already head and shoulders above the rest of her peers - even with three years left to go.

Kate > Lana > the Icelandic poseur

>>72384302
Waifufags don't count

Oops - meant
>>72386267
for
>>72385262

>>72385407
What is medulla

>>72385262
This.

Karin Dreijer was probably the closest we ever came to having a true heir to Kate and Bjork.

>>72387490
Jonna Lee (iamamiwhoami) is also pretty close to Kate and Bjork in terms of quality music.

>>72388494
see
>>72386267
It's not about whose music is subjectively the "best". It's about whose influence on other artists' music making was more universal.

>>72386919
Yup

>>72378199
no
>>72382404
yesu

>>72378199
Only correct answer

>>72378347
>FKA Twigs
lol, don't even dare to put that ugly negress in the same league as Bjork or Kate
LP1 is one of the most boring albums I've heard in a while

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>>72378199
god fuck off. I love the girl but she fell off hard with Art Angels not to mention she barely has any catalog compared to Bjork and Kate Bush. She needs at least another decade

>>72381099
my man

>>72389377
>fell off hard with Art Angels
What do you mean? It's objectively her most successful album.

>>72378166
Kate Bush.

We discussed this in 2015.

>>72389290
This

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>>72389377
>she fell off hard with Art Angels
You just don't like it. Guess what? Your opinion doesn't matter. Their http://www.metacritic.com/music/art-angels/grimes opinion matter.

>>72390428
>We discussed this in 2015.
Now it's 2017. Grimes is the new queen, like it or not.