Dylan vs. Young

neil youngs a hack

>>72336084
Neil Young by far. He still writes great music from the heart to this day. Dylan's last good stuff was with the Wilburys

>>72336818
FUCK YOU

Young is the most consistent singer-songwriter ever, but Highway 61 Revisited and Blonde on Blonde are far greater than anything he ever did.

>>72336084
I'll take Neil Young. Dylan is great, and had a really impressive run in the 60s and a few gems in the 70s but his 80s - 90s work is mostly garbage. He's gotten better since the late 90s and had a strong comeback, but he's been kind of a one trick pony since then.

Young on the other hand was unstoppable in the 70s and I even enjoy some of his weirder 80s albums. Trans and Everybody's Rockin are two really cool and experimental albums for him. The fact that they were released back to back is even more impressive. Also his 90s work was almost as good as his 70s output. Just didn't get as many big hits. Since the 2000s he's been hit or miss but that Crazy Horse album a few years back was pretty nice.

It also helps that Neil can still sing in his classic voice. Dylan sounds like a bad impressionist who can't decide if he wants to do Tom Waits or Howlin Wolf.

>>72337283
>I even enjoy some of his weirder 80s albums.

Mah nigga. People complain, but he put out like 9 god-tier albums thr previous decade so he earned the right to experiment. Sometimes I think I'm the only one who digs Re-ac-tor and Life.

Also I love how Geffen sued Neil for making shit albums and then the first album he puts out after leaving the label is his biggest in a decade and has an absolute classic song.

Dylan's a sarcastic cunt. Young speaks from the heart.

>>72337484
dylan speaks from the heart too. how about love minus zero or sara?

>>72338064
Not to mention: Gates of Eden, Like a Rolling Stone, It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding), Mr. Tambourine Man, A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall, Blowin' in the Wind.

Young is a better guitar player
Dylan is a better lyricist

Your opinion probably depends on if you value one over the other.

>>72337484
Oh, and by the way. what's wrong with sarcasm in music? Should every song in existance be a jolly-love song?

>>72338176
Why not value both? I guess that would make too much sense and wouldn't make contrarianism so appealing.

>>72338195
It means Dylan was more concerned with being artsy and clever. Trying to impress critics and shit. Young never had an ounce of such pretension and still managed to be a critical and commercial success.

>>72338214
Note my use of the word "if".
Additionally: making the argument that they are/should be equally valued in a thread posing the question of which is hypothetically better is actually the more contrarian position, methinks.

>>72338228
>being artsy and clever
You sound like a poptimist for some reason. And again, what's wrong with music having meaning? And Neil Young, is "guilty" of this too. He didn't write just about anything that would stick.

>>72338321
>And again, what's wrong with music having meaning?
>again

So being clever equals having meaning? Nobody mentioned anything about "meaning". Also nothing is "wrong" with it. I'm just explaining what he meant by Dylan having "sarcasm" in his music.

The point is that Young was simply expressing himself in a simple and honest way. Dylan was trying to be poetic and "deep".

>>72338176
They're both shit guitar players. Young is better and crafting melodies though.

>>72338395
>Also nothing is "wrong" with it
>The point is that Young was simply expressing himself in a simple and honest way. Dylan was trying to be poetic and "deep".
This sure seems to suggest otherwise. And I like both Young and Dylan.

>>72338395
>trying to be poetic and deep
What's wrong with having ambition? Dylan p much shifted the entire pop music paradigm. Just because he was self-conscious of what he was doing does that invalidate it? Fetishizing naïveté does nothing for music.

>>72338440
>This sure seems to suggest otherwise.

There's nothing wrong with being deep or poetic. Just like there's nothing wrong with being more straightforward and simplistic.

>>72337283
>Dylan sounds like a bad impressionist who can't decide if he wants to do Tom Waits or Howlin Wolf

I don't think Neil Young smoked six packs of cigarettes and drank a bottle of bourbon every day for decades.

>>72338450
>What's wrong with having ambition?

You're changing the words again. We started at clever, then it magicaly changed to "meaning" and now it's "ambition"

In case you can't tell I love both artists. But it's clear your have a hard on for Dylan and can't stomach even the slightest inkling of a criticism against him.

Neil is much more blatant (and annoying) about his politics. Dylan has never recorded anything as obnoxious as Living With War, and then performed its songs live.

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>>72338669
>I don't think Neil Young smoked six packs of cigarettes and drank a bottle of bourbon every day for decades.

Hell no!

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>>72336916
Neil young, but the best folk rock ever written was Simon ang Garfunkel. All I need to finish my collection is bookends.

>>72338699
Spotted the butthurt Bush cuck. Living With War was fantastic, especially considering how quickly it was written/recorded/released.

Also, if you're basing Neil's approach to politics based solely on an album he released in the mid 2000s that's pretty stupid. It was a blunt reaction to one moment in time and the point of that one record was to be straightforward and simplistic. Get the message across.

>>72338715
>hawks and doves

Nice. Very underrated little album.

>>72338736
Implying that commie sympathizer didnt write Ohio.

Antiwar = unamerican

>>72338736
>Also, if you're basing Neil's approach to politics based solely on an album he released in the mid 2000s that's pretty stupid.

What is Southern Man? Alabama? Ohio? I could go on. He's good at love songs I guess, but whenever he tries to get political or serious it's just too on the nose and preachy.

>>72338765
>Antiwar = unamerican

He's a Canadian you mong. Also I don't think he's antiwar. He's just anti stupid pointless wars.

>>72338768
>whenever he tries to get political or serious it's just too on the nose and preachy.

Do you need to be told that racism and murder is bad? Yes the message is obvious. But why is that inherently bad?

>>72338685
I'm not even the first guy and I like Young plenty. I just think you're downplaying Dylan's strengths in a disingenuous way.

>>72338736
>Spotted the butthurt Bush cuck.
Please don't start normalising that "cuck" shit.

>>72338783
Canada is just an unincorporated territory of the USA

>>72338784
Well then to answer the question, there's nothing wrong with having ambition. I don't see how me saying Dylan is an artist who tries to be poetic and deep with his lyrics is a negative assessment. I'm simply pointing out the contrast between him and Young.

Just because I say Young is more heartfelt and honest doesn't mean that I believe he's a better artist because of it. It simply depends on what qualities are of more importance to you.

>>72338825
USA is incorporated Google, Apple etc.

>>72338873
>corporations are evil
Found the socialist. You should be drawn and quartered, scum.

>>72338699
I remember when that came out and seeing it in the CD rack at Target. Showed it to my mom and she was all like "Why is a Canadian man complaining about an American president anyway? Gimme a break."

And all it took to derail the whole thread was:
>Spotted the butthurt Bush cuck
Why do 90% of threads have to end like this?

>>72336962
>Highway 61 Revisited and Blonde on Blonde are far greater than anything he ever did.

After the Gold Rush and On the Beach can easily stand beside those two. I'd also add in Rust Never Sleeps and Sleeps With Angels.

>>72338888
Found the jarhead/Bill O'Reilly senpai.

>>72338914
Living With War is a politically divisive album. Young has very strong political views. It was bound to happen eventually.

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>>72338914
Ill try to bring it back

I decided to spin it after posting the pic earlier. Gotta day I forgot how good this album is.

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:^)

>>72338942
>dad humor

This isn't a cringe thread

>>72338939
The lyrics "im proud to be a union man" say it all. What a cuckold.

>>72338957
You realize that whole song is satire right?

>>72338873
Google and Apple are far left SJW-controlled companies anyway.

>>72338974
Exactly. If you are against unions, you must enjoy getting fucked by the man.

Irony is ... both artists are left.

>>72338974
>world famous musician
>wasting an ounce of his time complaining about unions

Why? How could he possibly give a shit?

1. Bob Dylan
2. Paul Simon
3. Paul McCartney
4. Neil Young
5. Bruce Springsteen

>>72339019
Paul Simon is far better than that hack bob dylan. And yes, I didnt capitalize his name on purpose.

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Like I GIVE a shit?

>>72339036
don't call him a hack that's disrespectful
sit down. be humble

Molo Horohon

>>72339051
>>72339060
Molo Houraghan, idiots.

>>72339058
Why? I'm right. Highway 66, arguably his best album is a C.

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>>72339118

>>72339118
Fake news

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>>72339019
For once some recognizes the lyrical genius that is Bruce Springsteen
I wish I could rank him higher but that's a pretty fair assessment

>>72339487
He's very Dylanesque in the 70s. Wish more people listened to him

>>72339487
Just when you thought Living With War was embarrassing...

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-april-bruce-springsteen-trump-protest-song-1492698276-htmlstory.html

>>72336084
Dylan, there's not even a comparison, Young did a lot of pretty alright stuff and never even had a single album where every track was great

Dylan not only had one or two 10/10 albums, in his peak, he was making some of the best music recordings of all time, many that he never even intended for a mass audience to hear, Young doesn't even compare...really, comparing anyone who was a follower of Dylan rather than his contemporary isn't fair anyway

Yeah, Dylan has some infamous lows in the 80's but so does Young

The best thing about Young's music (the guitar on songs like Cortez the Killer, Like a Hurricane or Cowgirl in the Sand) he only actually fully embraced by the 90's when he was just doing a watered-down form of his own sound after other people had built on it

Young has some very great tracks, but he's not in Dylan's league

Young is more of a real rocker than Dylan and he's also more down to Earth and not quite so pretentious. Having said that, he doesn't compare with Dylan's body of iconic songs, nor did he shift the entire paradigm of what a rock song could be.

>>72338942
So, neither are American? How is that a bad thing?

Why would you want to compare two floating stools?

>>72339507
He thinks Dylan is the second coming of Jesus, I mean, just watch his induction speech of Dylan in 88

>>72336084
Bruce Springsteen

>>72339941
The 80s weren't good for either of them, on the other hand, Young came back from the doghouse and had a great run of albums from 89-95, and he's continued to make relevant music. Dylan has nothing after the mid-70s that anyone needs to listen to and he gave up on life with Oh Mercy.

>>72340072
The funny thing is if you take compilations of unreleased material into account, Dylan has released exponentially more gold since 1990 than Young has released in his entire career

And to completely write off Dylan's work post-70's is a little silly but I agree Young was able to stay current for longer but that has more to do with keeping his voice

Springsteen is very very overrated, his voice and guitar skills are shit, and he's completely undeserving of the massive ball-licking given to him by the media every day since 1975. His fanbase are also exceptionally autistic and annoying.

>>72340120
You have to be a 'murrican to get it, he's had some good stuff but only enough to be like on the level of Leonard Cohen popularity or something

>>72340115
>And to completely write off Dylan's work post-70's is a little silly but I agree Young was able to stay current for longer but that has more to do with keeping his voice

It was really Bob Lanois who decided that Dylan should stop doing anything current and instead become a bitter, weatherbeaten old guy. Dylan apparently wasn't quite ready to give up on the world, during the late 80s-early 90s he'd become interested in hip-hop, among other things.

>>72338195
Yes

This thread reminds me of just how much of a hack and a retard that Christgau is.

>gives a bunch of mid-80s Dylan and Young albums Bs and As when everyone else and their mother used the things as drink coasters and Frisbees
>Dylan finally does Down in the Groove, a record where he seems to be having fun for the first time in years and trying to be himself instead of a pseudo-New Wave guy or whatever the fuck he thought he was in 1985
>Cuckgau gives it a C and calls it "paint by numbers Dylan"

>>72340120
If I'm gonna listen to late 70s-early 80s shit, I'd put on The Cars, Ramones, AC/DC, Judas Priest, Dio, Black Flag, etc before I'd put on Springsteen.

>>72340452
Go back to Youtube, you underage buttrocker.

>>72340120
Springsteen is a fucking shitlib loser pandering piece of shit excuse for a musician.

>>72340474
This is rock-and-roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHR-rzUjCzU

This is not rock-and-roll. This is the shit that you put on the jukebox in a bar while you hug a beer glass and whine about your ex-wife.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElVcxC89lqk

>>72340589
Another one from the same album. Even worse, this one was a big hit single so I'm forced to endure this shitty 50s RnB-aping pop schlock more often than I'd like. On the radio, at work, in public, Yuck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQSn26zCXYQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzQvGz6_fvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4K7XZGeHTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idnJnjV_8rg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cNRQo1m3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkFQHScyti0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z2DtNW79sQ

Springsteen genuinely is the worst kind of Top 40 pop middle America-pandering arena-filling adult contemporary soft "rawk" garbage

>>72340452
Those bands are all mindless buttrock trash for 12 year olds. I'm sorry you can't appreciate a great songwriter like Springsteen. He didn't sell millions of records by being shitty, you know.

>>72340711
>He didn't sell millions of records by being shitty, you know.
You know who else has sold millions of records? U2, Nickelback, Limp Bizkit.

>>72340711
He sold millions of records because of tasteless normalfags and the collective adulation and worship of the media.

>>72340711
Because selling a lot of albums means you're good? Retard

>>72340732
Anytime someone tells me shitty 'artists' cant get famous, I reference Linda Ronstadt. Recognize the name? Most people today wouldnt, despite the fact that she has had dozens of albums and sold millions of units.

Go ahead, try and think of a single song of hers without looking. Not one thing she recorded was inspired, or creative. And as such, her name is unrecognizable today.

My other favorite one; go listen to the top 40 in february and march 1964; then listen to the top 40 june 1964.

The first two, several beatles songs stand out- clearly different than everything else on the charts- but in the june top 40, just a couple months later, nearly a third of them sound like complete ripoffs of the beatles from artists you have never heard of.

>>72340296
Also he gave Living With War an A.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdhLhWLmeAE

Yuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfrdZdrj9mk

Christ almighty this is shit.

>>72341169
Isnt that a reference to walk the line by john cash?

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I like them both and listen to both of them frequently. I probably listen to Neil more though.

Guys lets write a song for bruce springsteen, maybe he will pay us for it. Ill write the first verse

I wanna leave new jersey on a grayhound
But im trapped in my job
And my girl is 3 weeks late
And the bus depots' closed this day
So i punch my timecard grit my teeth
And get down on my knee and have that bay-beeee

ITT: Plebs who can't handle one of the greatest living singer songwriters

Or else maybe their dad beat them while playing BTR.

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The River [Columbia, 1980]

All the standard objections apply. His beat is still clunky, his singing overwrought, his sense of significance shot through with Mazola Oil. He's too white and too male, though he's decent enough to wish he weren't; too unanalytic and fatalistic, though his eye is sharp as can be. Yet by continuing to root his writing in the small victories and large compromises of ordinary joes and janies whose need to understand as well as celebrate is as restless as his own, he's grown into a bitter empathy. These are the wages of young romantic love among those who get paid by the hour, and even if he's only giving forth with so many short fast ones because the circles of frustration and escape seem tighter now, the condensed songcraft makes this double album a model of condensation--upbeat enough for a revery there, he elaborates a myth about the fate of the guys he grew up with that hits a lot of people where they live. A-

>>72341245
t. pleb who can't handle the fact that his favorite artists is a bandwagon-hopping pandering piece of shit

>hurrr let me rip off dylan
>now let me rip off funk rock, oh and i have a new york accent now
>now let me rip off heartland rock, oh i have a midwestern accent now
>now let me rip off hard rock, oh i have a mid atlantic accent now
>now let me rip off a variety of different pop rock styles and varispeed my voice up to make it sound younger and more accessible
>now let me rip off folk and country and the band Suicide and write songs about rural people living hard lives just like me even though i have millions in the bank
>now let me rip off tom petty and synthpop, oh i have a southern accent now
>now let me write shitty adult contemporary synthpop and soft rock ballads
>now let me do the same thing again, oh i have a california accent now
>mix and match all of the above for the rest of his career
>oh i have an irish accent on this song for some reason
>let me write an album about 9/11 so i be relevant again and make $$$$$

>>72341298
lyl white males right? XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk3n2WZotRc

Now this is real rock-and-roll. Also Cuckgau doesn't like them which is also a plus.

I'm surprised at just how poorly Springsteen's albums have aged.

>>72341519
>I'm surprised
You really shouldn't be

The relationship songs on The River sound as if they were written by someone who'd never talked to women in his life.

>>72336084
neil young for sure

God i fucking hate bruce springsteen